Is classical music actually degenerate? How can it really convey anything intelligent if it isn't using words?
All it can convey is muh subjective feels, which can maybe be stretched out into a very simplistic coherent thought if you use stretching leftist liberal art major logic.
>>69782099
It's basically art crafted from pure mathematics.
Thought is just feeling filtered through language. Language is built to distort feelings by bottle-necking their expression into a narrow, rigid form which is biased towards the values of the culture it came from. See "newspeak".
Language is the single greatest degeneration that ever took place, a means to examine one's feelings in a distorted, blurry mirror.
"Subjective feels" form the basis of all art you autist.
Degeneracy is a scale, right?
I just jerked off to a Japanese girl getting pounded and covered in cum while trying to read the news.
Relative to that, classical music is pure enlightened transcendence.
>>69782370
to add to this, the heart came first, from which extended all other organs, including the brain. feeling is the prima materia; thought is merely a side-effect.
>>69782399
Explain how you can convey the same depth of meaning with a symphony as you can a novel, without reverting to the vapid leftist logic a dude weed lmao millennial would use to impress his girlfriend.
>>69782526
So what you're saying is a being with a brain would have to degenerate to be a being with only a heart.
>>69782099
> tfw when every other /pol/ thread is "hurr durr is x degenerate?"
No classical music isn't degenerate you stupid convict, it's a European art form that has showcased how creative we are as a people.
>>69782539
Well, dopamine receptors... intuition... blah blah blah
-an autistic answer for an autistic question
>>69782099
try to write good music and you will appreciate its complexity
>>69782370
>Language is the single greatest degeneration that ever took place
Well if it weren't for language we would still be climbing the Ethiopian trees.
Language set up a new kind of evolution. Until the emergence of language our evolution was gene based.
But now we bet our cards on cultural evolution and culture is transmitted by language.
Deal with it faggot
>>69782099
Classical music is feminine and was created by feminine men. It is almost as degnerate as metal. The only masculine and non-degenerate music is rap.
>>69782617
no, the heart is america and the brain is niggers.
>>69782539
>Explain how you can convey the same depth of meaning with a symphony as you can a novel
Okay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqkXbEUHylo
>>69782269
Yeah right. Mathematics is art created with pure mathematics. Classical music is a bunch of ancient faggots creating a sequence of vibrations. Its not art and its not good.
Now rap, there is a real form of music. Writing lyrics is much more challenging than writing music.
>>69782099
>>69782617
You have it backwards. Language is degenerate. Why do you think SJW are so obsessed with it?
>>69782099
how does it make you feel when you listen to it. Try to forget your conditioning and just react to it naturally and forget any preconceived notions. I know that's difficult since all of are conditioned by our culture since birth. Isn't it beautiful music for the most part? I don't think anyone would call it degenerate. I dislike the characterizayion of things as degenerate anyway though.
you have to kill yourself asap op my man
>>69782749
Straight outta Auswitch, crazy motherfucker named Hitler
From the gang called Nazi's With Attitudes
>>69782832
>>69782749
fish.jpg
>>69782832
You almost had me until the second paragraph.
I have to leave for church now but have some recs.
>>69782717
i love this meme. you people have an extraordinarily primitive idea of what the word "primitive" means. Many of you rely on the mathematical precision of language today, which explains your ineptitude with relations to women, who are mainly intuitive and imprecise as a rule.
You can't except that you're on the wrong side of the parabolic peak of humanity's evolution in this direction.
>>69782832
>>69782749
don't breed.
>>69782491
>I just jerked off to a Japanese girl getting pounded and covered in cum while trying to read the news.
S-sauce?
>>69782832
>Writing lyrics is much more challenging than writing music
>>69782836
>Language is degenerate
Language is a very powerful tool it binds the generations thus providing the accumulation of knowledge.
>Why do you think SJW are so obsessed with it?
They are usually not very good using it. It mostly revolves around "muh feelings".
We should use the power of language more m80
>>69782832
these posts... too shitty for freedompeople
Classical music is harmonious and pleasant to listen to. This is demonstrated scientifically and mathematically though the relationship between musical notes and mathematics has no axiomatic basis, which could lead one to believe that there is an element of subjectivity in liking classical music.
>>69783054
He's takin a piss, don't fall for it
>>69782099
holy shit, just stay in your desert you piece of shit.
there is nothing better than classic music.
Don't feed.
Or are Australian really that retarded?
What was more important /pol/, language or writing?
>>69783118
the "power" of language is it's ability to speak to... wait for it... FEELINGS. Thus, in a logical debate, the amount of ground you can gain on your opponent is only proportional to said opponents emotional investment in logical accuracy - an investment that usually must compete with their investment in seeming correct to you. "Being right" doesn't win arguments, wars, or anything of any substance except your own feeble self-endorsement.
>>69782983
>you people have an extraordinarily primitive idea of what the word "primitive" means
Nigga, where have I brought the idea of "primitive" into the discussion?
>Many of you rely on the mathematical precision of language today, which explains your ineptitude with relations to women
muh wimminz
I don't care for mathematics here. It's the emergence of spoken language.
>You can't except that you're on the wrong side of the parabolic peak of humanity's evolution in this direction.
oh it's a bait I see
>>69783286
they have to struggle for survival every day, over generations, this took their sense for art and intellectual thought away from them. simple evolution.
classical music is for fags.
jazz and rock is the real music. black american born and raised to conquer the uptight white assholes.
>>69782099
Classical music demands much more than other music because you need to organize a full symphonic orchestra. Sometimes several hundred people in disiplined synchrony. Other music don't have that.
>>69783460
alright alright. you said "climbing ethiopian trees", i paraphrased to "primitive". follow so far? the second part is irrelevant, but an interesting observation of the culture of those who rely predominantly on the written word for communication. the last point is a reference to this imbalance of social priorities, which has caused a bona-fide degeneration of the organism's ability to live, produce and procreate successfully among other members of his species.
>>69782961
>no beethovens third
>no mozarts g minor
What's the fucking point then
>>69783436
>the "power" of language is it's ability to speak to... wait for it... FEELINGS
Yes but not ONLY feelings. A language can express more precisely defined areas of human experience. What's your point again?
The very fact that we are having this retarded debate now is a proof that language is vastly superior to just feelings. You can relate to people around the world now, you can change the society, you can share your feelings..
The chimps are capable of emotions - feelings but are unable to share their thoughts precisely as we do via spoken word. That's basically the only difference and look at the difference we've made.
>>69782832
>mathematics is art
Classical music signifies how special the human race is
>>69783747
We have to change the paradigm by changing the narrative of our mission.
It's a linguistic process
>>69783118
>Language is a very powerful tool it binds the generations thus providing the accumulation of knowledge.
That's all it's good for. Storing knowledge
>>69783232
>a piss
>>69782539
Have you ever actually attended a concert?
>>69783828
>The very fact that we are having this retarded debate right now is a proof that language is vastly superior
I'm gonna let you read what you wrote, so you can come to a more accurate conclusion.
medieval - not degenerate
renaissance- partly degenerate
baroque - partly degenerate
classic - fully degenerate
romantic - not degenerate
modern - degenerate af (undescribably degenerate)
>>69782832
Holy fucking shit?!?! How?!?!
Just how the fuck could you believe that writing bad poetry in broken english with the word Nigga holding the structure of every fucking song together...HOW could you consider this more challenging than learning multiple instruments and composing original music???
April fools day is over nigger.
>>69784155
that guy is probably deaf and blames society for it.
>>69783590
So we can all agree that classical music, and in fact music in general, is an inferior art form?
All the non-libtard arguments I see pertain only to the fact requires intelligence to make, but there is no intelligence actually inserted into the work. There's also no real intelligence in the appreciation, beyond liberal projection.
What we should be doing is finding the perfect music that accentuates a meaning conveyed by language, not pretending music without context has any real meaning.
>>69783590
>jazz and rock
Conquered by white people.
Show me the ratio of black rock bands that even come close to competing with white ones.
>>69784051
Nah it's one of its major features.
You can try to express the "reality" in a new way, rewriting the narrative and that's what philosophy is for. If your expressing of the "reality" seems reasonable to others you make another step in the cultural evolution (for better or for worse).
Language co-creates reality
>>69784272
>Implying music has to have a message
>>69782099
I don't care where you stand politically, but if this doesn't move you, you're probably dead inside:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqYsb4ctNL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyCmm7m2mwo
https://youtu.be/-2wnemYHFK0?t=440
>>69782832
this is obviously bait, because even americans are not that stupid not to see rap (just like jazz and rock) is degenerate
>>69782099
listen to a little of medieval instrumental music and be ashamed of what you just said
>>69784352
>Language co-creates reality
no, and this mentality is exactly what makes language degenerate
>>69784311
Animals as leaders is the only metal band I know of that has a black guy on guitar. One other has black guy on vocals cant remember name.
>animals as leaders
Kinda sums up the whole black supremacy movement.
>>69784352
>Language co-creates reality
Well hello there, Judith Butler
>>69784409
beethoven is transitioning artist between classic and romanticism (just like mozart) and thats why hes not fully degenerate
>>69782099
Classcal music doest brainwash you. It opens your mind to think for yourself and not accept dogma outright.
>>69784272
if music has no meaning, why can i feel things when i listen to it? granted, the feelings are non-specific; instead, they are archetypal. it's my belief that we have a palette of feelings, the colours of which are imprinted on subjects that suit their "colour". music plays with these colours, and while it fails to portray them in a specific fashion, the skeleton of the specifics exists. for example, moonlight sonata can portray the emotional skeleton of either your dog being hit by a car or a doctor telling you your wife has cancer.
>>69784476
Your thought is language-based. Our society is narrative based be it materialistic, post modern, platonic.. it's a filter through which you perceive reality and you're blinding yourself not willing to realize it.
>>69784272
its most likely you're baiting if you're not, man i truly feel sorry for you, legit empathy
Language can be degenerate in that it can convey bad or stupid ideas.
Classical music is degenerate in that it can't even convey those. That maybe makes it better than badly used language, but it still doesn't change its stunted and inherently degenerate nature.
>>69784766
so by not conveying ideas, something is degenerate... what a strange, negative premise.
>>69784766
How can something without words be degenerate? "Listen closely, B locrian clearly demonstrates a pro-gay stance!"
>>69784644
>implying dogma is bad
i call liberal
>>69782491
Were you trying to read the news or the girl
>>69782099
No it's not degenerate that's retarded. Listening to Bach is the least degenerate thing I can think of
>>69784533
I literally know that woman.
>>69784766
>Classical music is degenerate in that it can't even convey those
I don't think "degenerate" is the word you're looking for. It may in fact be more primitive than language but it's absolutely necessary since it affects our moods. These moods then give basis for our thinking (language based!).
>>69782832
>Now rap, there is a real form of music. Writing lyrics is much more challenging than writing music.
Niggers believe this because all they ever fucking do is run their mouths instead of producing something valuable.
>>69782099
>feelings are a meme
I bet you think you're a sociopath too <:^)
Kill yourself, my man.
>>69784740
and you are blinding yourself by constraining yourself to the limits of language. language creates nothing and does not reflect reality. your thinking is far more limited than you realize, even as you insist that others are blinded for not conforming to your language-based worldview
>>69784895
The non-degenerate life should be about conveying, consuming and pondering non-degenerate ideas, to advance to a higher level. Time and effort spent on classical music takes away from those goals and is thus degenerate.
>>69784311
>Show me
Jazz was not "conquered" by white people in any sense and most good rock is heavily black influenced, just as black roots music is heavily white influenced.
Most rock bands are very predicated on the idea of fuckability rather than ability. There isn't a single good rock band out there at the moment in the mainstream. Alt rock is filled with talentless left wing hacks.
>>69782832
pretending to be a retard is commensurate with being a retard. quit being a retard.
Guys quick, is this degenerate?
I was thinking of trying to enjoy it, but first I need conformation from my righteous anonymous colleagues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vugqRAX7xQE
>>69784143
>romantic
>not degenerate
kek
>>69785088
>language creates nothing and does not reflect reality
lel
>>69785129
The non-degenerate life should be about conveying, consuming and pondering non-degenerate ideas, to advance to a higher level. Time spent on sleeping takes away from those goals and is thus degenerate.
>>69785235
notdegenerate/10
>OP does not understand classical music
>therefore classical music is the problem
>>69785014
I would add to this that the feelings that music speaks to are dormant in us until we hear the notes that resonate with them. Feelings are the resonation of the internal with the external. Music that was created by carefully mapping the internal dramatic essence of man is among the highest forms of real communication - especially thanks to the fact that we can hardly communicate with 80% of the Earth's population through written or spoken word(thanks to language barriers).
>>69785271
I think you're both using the term 'reality' a little flippantly. The implication of the term isn't really relevant to what you're trying to accomplish.
Classical music is a distinctly male European art form, the likes of which niggers, chinks, and women could never compose. Notice how blacks are so defensive of their culture, which doesn't really exist. What have African cultures produced but ugly Serengeti dwellers? Seems to me all the blacks that do accomplish do so because of Western influence.
Nigger music is degenerate; classical music is the highest form of music. Fucking kill yourself if you can't see that.
https://youtu.be/bAQditfakOo
>>69782491
This?
http://www.sextvx.com/en/video/209340/maria-ozawa-bukkake-news
>>69785271
in your arrogance you may deny it, but there are many things language cannot capture
its only use is as a storage medium for knowledge
>>69785301
That's not true because the less sleep someone gets, the less their brain is capable of, and therefore the more degenerate on average their ideas are
Surely you're not trying to imply that classical music is necessary to recuperate.
>>69782099
>Is classical music actually degenerate?
Posts like this are proof that the quality of this board has dropped dramatically in the last 12 months. Why does everything have to be rated on a degenerate scale, just to appease your simple-mindedness and not to challenge your far right sensibilities? Lord have mercy.
>>69785129
You shall be reincarnated as an ant. It will be your lesson for only building on ever-crumbling foundations, whilst forgetting to live.
>>69785412
>let me tell you about how I judge everyone according to my very limited and constrained knowledge of the world
besides music is not a lunguage...
>>69785510
This is the right wing, from a millenial perspective. They need things to be black and white because they never learned to think critically or solve problems, only to pass entrance exams.
>>69785724
Kek. Find me music as sophisticated as European baroque and classical music. Oh, that's right. It doesn't exist. Slovenia should be a parking lot for Austria.
>>69782099
There is classical that has "words", you retard.
>>69786020
I bet you're the kind of person who says "Mozart, Beethoven, the list could go on...", when in fact, it hardly could.
Here, hope you'll find the mode construction process of this particular piece exhilarating and sophisticated :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esuia43tJUI
>>69785138
Like what? Just off the top of my head....
The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Who, The Rolling stones, Queen, ACDC, Aerosmith, GNR. Nirvana, Black Sabath, Van Halen.
There are zero black rock bands that even come close. White people Conquered Rock music fagot.
Classical music is the shit, the best composers were Nazis, Commies and Fascists, and the classical community doesn't give a fuck because the music is good.
>>69785138
I will allow for your statement about Jazz
But bop-a-loop-bop-bam-bow fagot...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_LaRocca
Mozart - Requiem
Performed, written and made by white Europeans.
This is what we will lose as Jewish propaganda fills our lands with niggers and the filth of Araby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78KtEjdAszw
>>69784048
Anon, that gif made me laugh, but if you still have the photoshop file, please change "HA HA!" to "¡JA JA!" and I promise I will find a way to use it every day.
>>69782099
>implying lyrics aren't often degenerate as fuck
>implying classical composers didn't write choral music
smdh
fucking retard
music is mathematical relationship between different frequencies
an octave is literally twice the frequency
every interval is a perfect ratio
we didn't invent music, we discovered it
now fuck off back to your cave you primitive beast
>>69782099
mate you using mental gymnastics to come up with that result is degenerate. better stick to your selena homez and nigga bopz.
you deserve the fucken oven.
pull ya head in cunt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8vJ_lMxQI
>>69782832
Checking for bait...
Congratulations!
>>69782749
>>69782099
>music niggers will never understand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M57Fi19vcSI&feature=youtu.be
>>69787424
literally this
but no replies because muh ego
>>69782099
Classical music repels black people. Tell me how it's degenerate.
>>69782099
ITT Aussie shitposters and people who don't know anything about the history of music
>>69784990
>I literally know that woman.
As opposed to metaphorically knowing her? :^)
