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Trump to South Korea, Japan and NATO: No pay, no protection
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>But on Saturday, Trump again pointed to the spiraling U.S. debt as a key reason for the country to rethink its military commitments abroad.

>"We can't be the policeman to the world and have $19 trillion in debt, going up to $21 trillion," Trump said.

>Trump, who appeared at three campaign events throughout Wisconsin on Saturday, also reiterated his claim that many of the nations in NATO are "not paying their fair share."

>"That means we are protecting them and they are getting all sorts of military protection and other things, and they're ripping off the United States, and they're ripping you off," Trump said at a rally in Racine, Wisconsin. "I don't care, I don't want to do that. Either they pay up, including the past deficiencies, or they have to get out."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/02/politics/donald-trump-war-japan-north-korea/
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>>69764740
The US may be strong.. but taking on so many countries at once is not wise. Lets see how shit unravels, the asians have been known to attack those who previously helped them when they dont get what they want
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>>69765068
Taking on? They are pulling out.
What might happen is Asian countries blowing themselves up, the US will sell arms to both sides.
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>>69765226
>>69765068
fuck off
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>>69765068
You're an idiot if you think anyone but terrorists will even consider throwing a rock in our direction.
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>USA is policing the world
FUCK YOU AMERICA! STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES' BUSINESS, YOU ARE ONLY MAKING IT WORSE!
>USA is no longer policing the world
h-hold on! that's not fair... come back and protect us, p-please... Trump i-is a Nazi!
Trump is finally giving liberals what they were demanding a decade ago, and they can't stop complaining about it.
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Basically we Americans go to fight for another country for little to no pay and we get nothing, but bullshit in return. We are in debt and we cannot support countries that talk shit about us while we support them.
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>>69764740
BUT MUH ANIME!
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>>69765555
Damn that's some good quads right there if I do say so myself.
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>trump will make anime real
>trump will not protect japan if they go to war with north korea
what does it mean /pole/?
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Japan has one of the highest defense budgets in the world and 95% of that budget is paying the US for their continued protection.Trump once again proves how little he understands about the pacific region. For someone so anti china you would think he would understand more about these issues. Maybe he doesn't understand that pulling out of Japan and Korea would give be the same as just handing China the entire fucking region and a pat on the pack welcoming them as the new world power.

Korea also isnt far behind in defense spending but I dont know if they give as much as to America.
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>>69764740
Fuck yes.
Tariffs.
Walls.
And a return to neutrality.
This is what I want.
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>>69765756

Does china actually want to invade and take over japan?
what will happen to anime?
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>>69765756
Well, just keep paying then.
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>>69765814
Anime is kill
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>>69765756
You can't get more pathetic than begging for another country to be your army.

And I thought most Japanese wanted to have an army again so they could protect their own country.
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>>69765707
It means our God Emperor wants Japan to get back on the saddle and become the mighty dragon once again
>>69765756
He knows you give, he wants more and considering the amount of running around we have had to do in the region both with military person ell and negotiations I can't blame it.
Don't worry Nippon, we doesn't hate you. He just wants our equivalents. I would rather stop protecting you though so you can could go back to what you have destined to be your entire existence. You really have paid your dues and should be allowed to do what you wish again, plus it might help you if you force the NEETS and shut ins to join the military or it's mechnics/engineer core
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>>69765756
Time to build your own army, little yellow gook. Who am I kidding, your 'men' are worthless, weak drones.
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>>69764740
>not protecting the country that produce qt 2d waifus.
Fuck Drumpf, what a traitor piece of shit. Are there any pro anime candidates left?
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>>69765935
Isn't American protection forced on them after WWII because they aren't allowed to have an actual army of their own?
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>>69765555
MUH ANIME!!!!
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We're fucked
>Too poor and stupid to make any decent defense
>Can't pay Trump's protection

Maybe this should stop the corruption in our country.
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Does anyone have the polandball where America tells NATO to up their defense spending and they tell America to fuck off, then America tells the same thing to Japan and South Korea and they agree?
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>>69765935
see>>69766215
study some history before shitposting. In any case, you don't want to see Japan chimpout again. trust me, you don't want.
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>>69766153
slavshit
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>>69765814
Japan has no nukes and almost no military. This is Japanese law. As well as nukes, many important types of military hardware and ordinances are also illegal for Japan to own and use. Japanese military is the American military that we pay for. I don't know if China wants full blown, but they certainly would win in a heartbeat without the US. More than likely it would be their overbearing might that forces Korea and Japan into some sort of client states and eventual annexation rather than a war.

>>69765935
I agree, it is pathetic. But it was forced upon us by America. And of course Japan wants to unshackle itself and protect itself, but this will take a long time and of course American permission first. If Trump gives us that permission it will still take at least 20 years to build up even a remotely respectable military again. And either way, China is just too big, too strong, too rich and very aggressive. Japan wouldn't stand a chance. The pacific region would soon be either fully annexed by china or a host of client states or some sort of new chinese ussr. China would be the new world power. Either way, a withdraw from the pacific region is suicide for the US as a world power. Unless the US doesn't want to be a super power anymore but that doesnt sound like making america great again.
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>>69766570
MUH ANIME
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>>69764740
>letting China have Japan

We have to police the world or it would become unstable.
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>>69765068
Americans have been known to irradiate asians who forget their place.
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>>69764740
Hehe... Yeah, good, gtfo them outta NATO. Good Trump.

>>69765756
>japan military
>heavy tanks
>on a fucking island
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>>69766665
No one disagrees. They just need to pay us more money. We need to make a profit off of America's World Police force.
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>>69766703
Thanks.

I wonder if this will really happen when Trump is elected.
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>>69765462

Exactly this. Every dollar they don't have to spend on defense goes straight into infrastructure and that sweet gibsmedats that the niggers are flocking to. They're going to whine about whatever decision we make unless it's one that takes complete advantage of us.

Putting future generations into debt slavery so Sweden can buy Muslim terrorists apartments in Malmo makes my fucking blood boil.
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>>69766215
They should have thought about that before they attacked us in the first place. Japan lost the war, so now Americans need to pay for the defense of Japan? That's a shit deal, we're renegotiating it. It doesn't matter if Japan doesn't like that, they don't have the power here.
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>>69766781
Qt anime girls
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>>69766810
Not with Yurope, bot with roaches for sure.
Actually we don't need Europe anymore, cuz our commie-regime is gone, and there's no need to attack capitalist countries.
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>>69766848
Maybe we should have thought about going trillions of dollars in debt before deciding to police the world.
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>>69766570
>it will still take at least 20 years to build up even a remotely respectable military again.
You have one of the best navies in the world as it is.
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Nobody actually wants to slap Korea or they'll become responsible for rebuilding a country which has been famished and impoverished for half a century. China only sends them enough to prevent them from totally collapsing--which would, again, force someone to actually take responsibility--which makes it all that much funnier when Chubby Jong is rattling his sabre at the inner Party elites up in Beijing.

And the USA is already on the fucking trillion-dollar hook to rebuild a dozen countries Captain Neocon has bombed. Asian neighbors will have to suck up and take that bill, which none of them want to pay.
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>liberals are mad cuzz were the world police
>liberals get mad when we decide not to be

let the wars that need to happen, happen. all peace does is cuck countries into submission because the cucked one doesnt want to holocaust people with nukes

we NEED war to fix our problems. but we fucking better do it AFTER our military is built up beyond belief.
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>>69766570

wow, for all the whining, you completely missed the 21trillion debt the US carries to protect your nippy asses.

Pay up, Nip.
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>>69767040
Friend, you need just to destroy bridges in Japan and it's fucked up. With that population and destroyed logistic people will starve to death.
SRBM will do the job, no need even to step on the island.
But this is in case of serious shit.
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One part of me wants to say this is really idiotic to say but the other part of me says we should just go back to being neutral on the world stage.
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>>69766570
id like to see japan fucking rek korea and take over samsung and relegate koreans to nigger slaves.

just want to see those koreans cry when they realize their power level is all an illusion
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>>69766774
We already do which is why it makes him sound dumb. On top of that, pure dollar amount is not the only benefit to be made by not allowing china to control the region.

>>69767040
No carriers, no amphibious assault ships, hardly any "destroyers" or cruisers, what few we do have hardly have anything competitive on them because most modern military devices are illegal for japan. Same goes for the few helicopters we have. On top of that most estimates puts Japan being able to hold sustained war on its own for approximately 2 weeks at best before completely exhausting supplies because Japan has always relied on the US for this and have no established supply lines without them. Compare this to China.
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>>69764740
niggers
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>>69767547
This also involves NATO were ONLY 5 FUCKING COUNTRIES MEET THE REQUIRED 2% DEFENSE SPENDING
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>>69767547
What do you think American leaders should do then? If you don't think moving out of Japan is a good move what do you think is a good move? To me it seems like you think no one should change anything until China is no longer something to worry about.
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ow :D

i thought Japan can not declared war on us
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>>69767763
move out, we'll nuke up within 7 days. MAD is the best form of protection and much cheaper.
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>>69764740
ALLEY WITH NORTH KOREA
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say goodbye to your anime weebs
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>>69764740

Fuck yeah Trump!

President Trump 2016!
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>>69765068
Honestly, since WW2, the only countries in actual war have been the US and Middle East countries, mainly Iraq and Iran.

Saudi Arabia is getting their ass kicked by rebels in Yemen. Most countries can't even defend themselves against rebels or terrorist groups.
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>>69767816
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Thanks Trump.
Japan need nuke and fix shitty law.

I knew it.
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>>69767861
we'll trade the islands of new zealand with china for shits n giggles and just to build up some more goodwill with the chinks.

sorry nz, australia 1st.
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>>69765467
welcome to america. we fuck other peoples shit up we're the bad guys, we do nothing we're bad guys, at least with Trump we'll be the bad guys but we'll also be undisputed number 1
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>>69765068
If they back out they were never our friends anyway, more like leeches.
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>>69768195
like niggers
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>>69765462
LOL true.
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>>69766570
>many important types of military hardware and ordinances are also illegal for Japan to own and use

Are u retard?
Japan making stelth by themself.
also Japan trying to sell submarine to Australia.
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>Australian defence strategy literally depends on sucking up to US whereever possible.
>Can now buy protection

Sounds good mate
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>>69767763
Russia is no longer the threat it was, China is the new threat to world stability and American dominance. Also, NATO countries dont do shit. Despite what Trump said, Korea and China actually do provide a lot of money for US defense. A new NATO type organization is needed for the pacific region. On top of that, a transition period where the US allows Japan to rebuild its military and create nuclear weapons while also moving out of Japan more. Japan continues to pay US during this transition period. Afterwords, continued, but much reduced, American presence in Japan with the new pacific NATO taking focus. If America cares about Hawaii and Alaska than it should also be a member of this pacific NATO.
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>>69768311
we love you japan and it has nothing to do with anime. we actually love your sushi.
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>>69766848
>They should have thought about that before they attacked us in the first place.
Why you should blame Japan for things done in its past for it has no reflection on who they currently are? You're no better than a black person blaming whites for slavery.
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>>69768443
"Despite what Trump said, Korea and China actually do provide a lot of money for US defense."....wut?
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>>69768454
And their export monies
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>>69768553
He meant South Korea and Japan.
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>>69768553
>>69768443

Korea and Japan, sorry.
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>>69768576
pretty sure we have a few sister cities t b h, coz we get along like champs these days and they fucking love our koalas, now that theyve had the chance to hold and hug them
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>>69768683
You make a good point, why cant the US protect China..Japan...and Korea..then no one will attack anyone.
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>>69768492
Americans are niggers.

>muh pearl horbor
>we dindu nufin
>gib moni plox Japan
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>>69768734

We won World War II and castrated you so badly that your Men don't even fuck your Women anymore.
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>>69768734
why ru so slanty?
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>/pol/ supports deficit reduction by massive military cuts

When did /pol/ become so left wing?
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>>69768870
>muh birth rate

ur white birth rate is below 2.1.
you should grateful to mexicans.
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>>69768919
Can't put is into boxes

FeelsGoodMan
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>>69765462

man I loved torturing pacman in that game
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>>69768870
save it for kike book m8
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>>69768729

just let China take over Japan

it's not like most animes and other japanese shit isn't actually Made in China
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>>69765707
You're going to have to appropriate anime.
and make it great.
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>>69765756
>Maybe he doesn't understand that pulling out of Japan and Korea would give be the same as just handing China the entire fucking region
that says a lot more about japan and korea than it says about US
where's the yamato-damashii lol?
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>>69768993
Bullshit, this is straight up left wing ideology to reduce deficit spending by enacting massive military cuts while leaving social programs intact. Trump sounds just like a liberal Democrat.
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>>69767189
Japan holds around $1.3T of that debt and continues to buy more of our debt as a way to pay us for our military presence there. It's honestly a really good deal for us, a great way to project force against a belligerent. Pulling out would be fucking retarded.

Most of our debt is owed to ourselves in the forms of bonds held by individuals and finance institutions. It's how we've kept our economy propped up while spending ungodly amounts of money on entitlements and the military. Entitlements are currently where we're spending most of our money, and we're going to get assraped hard in the coming years as the baby boomers retire en masse. Eventually our debt:GDP ratio is going to look a lot like Japan's.
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When are the next Republican and Democratic primaries Amerifags?
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>>69769004
pacman is a pussy faggot
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>>69769237
I have your flag already, you can stop posting.
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>>69769237
UNCOMMON

Wisconsin on April 5th
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>>69769332
Cheers mate

Not long then, best get on the Trumpaline while theres still time
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>>69769221
Yes, but Trump said Make America Great Again and that negates your facts and logic
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>>69768919
>smaller government
>left wing

Pick one.
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>>69769068
Most of anime made in Japan.
Can u see End roll?
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>>69769538
You missed the part where he left the massive entitlement spending intact. Shrinking the military does not make the government bureaucracy any smaller. He's handing the Pacific region to China on a silver platter while saying he wants to start trade wars and tear up military and economic agreements, all while continuing to spend astronomical amounts on social programs.
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>>69767816
Japan won't without the USA to back them up.
JSDF is as lean as it can be but that's far from enough to put up an actual fight against any military power.
We'll never back them up in that fight either because there's no longer anything to be gained from fighting in Korea for us.

We won't ever let NK or China take SK or Japan though, both are far too valuable for strategic positioning even in today's world. Maybe it'd be different if Australia let us occupy them but we all know they'd banter our Navy so hard our ships would sink.
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>>69769475
He's likely to lose Wisconsin badly.
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>>69770141
I think he's talking about article 9 of the Japanese constitution.
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>>69770440
Damn son

How many states are still left where he is likely to win big?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_2AOso2yCk&feature=youtu.be
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>>69769221
>Japan holds around $1.3T of that debt

obviously, its not enough.
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>>69765068
fuck off

>>69765226
fuck off
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>>69770816
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>>69765462
kek
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>>69770816
New York on the 19th, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Maryland and Connecticut on the 26th should all go to him, which should put some momentum back in his campaign for the ones in May.
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>>69766725
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>trump wants America to be a superpower that retreats back into its shell

Beware every single superpower has broken apart of it relinquished its superpower status
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>>69764740
From what exactly are they protecting us?
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>>69765756
He doesn't say he's going to "pull out of the whole region" or hand shit to china
He says, you're going to have to pay
And build your own nukes
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>>69765756
>95% of that budget is paying the US for their continued protection

Doesn't Japan have a 200,000 strong army and one of the best navies in the world? Seem to me like the vast majority of the budget is for maintaining their own military.
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>>69765756
shut up, US cuck. Even your constitution was written by gaijin.
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>>69771703

Suck a dick british faggot
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>>69771773
exactly, either pay us or let us fuck off.

NATO is shit and we dont want to be your fucking army with no compensation
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>>69765462
on point
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Russia EU and USA would be allies if not for the jews.
Nato is a thug making proxy wars and fucking things up.
Dismantle it.
Pull USA out of nato and make an european army with Russia.
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>>69768870
>nignog's feeling hurt THIS bad

Stop making us look bad you fucking nigger.
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>>69772501
whata little puppy :D
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>>69764740

>having Japan militarize and not be soft pussies is a bad thing

Harden the fuck up bitch.
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>omg guys American's are sooooo racist and xenophobic
>why can't they be like the rest of the world??????????
>ignore East Asia, they all hate each other buts its completely ok and understandable, they have a long history of it
>ignore West Asia, they also all hate each other but that is also completely justified and ok
I don't get how we are the racist xenophobes for not wanting to spend our children's lives getting involved in a war between two nations that absolutely despise one another and have been for hundreds of years.that could escalate into a world war.

libtards have been cucked into believing that the entire world is a hugbox, but as soon as conflict arises that goes against the narrative, i.e. Japan must pay if they want our backing, they scream racism.
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>>69772307
>we don't want to be your fucking army with no compensation

Top lel, point me to one time your army actually did something for my country.
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>>69765462
I may not like it, but I would much rather have a world policed by a nation with freedom other than a nation without. We are the best option, the most capable, and it's time we started getting paid for doing so.

>>69765756
We don't want to give the area to China, but last I checked we outnumber them with aircraft carriers, which is the only real important currency in the world.
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>>69772501
That's such a good dog.
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>>69764740
B-but muh animus

Trump protect the animus

Trmp plz
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>>69772851
Check out those trousers. Way too big for both of those men. That's because supply lines were shit in that war.

Check out their boots. They still had leggings back then. Very old way.
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Why don't we just give japan 300 nukes or something like that?

Wouldn't that be enough of a detterent from attack by china?

Besides, didn't japan fuck china's shit up in WW2? They can do it again, can't they?
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>>69766570

Japan has the ability to make nukes whenever it wants
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>>69765068

> Dominican republic in charge of thinking

You're barely even a country. Go eat bananas, asshole
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Trump is going to make Japan and South Korea great again as well.
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>>69765462
So. Fucking. True.

Doubly so for countries that benefit from proximity to the USA (looking at you Canada) yet have the audacity to shit all over us and nag and moan like a unruly housewife.

I'd like to put America's hat onto Israel and see how long Canada can maintain its composure as commie 420 CURRENT YEAR land.
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>>69773657
>implying nukes can be safely stored on that tsunami and quake prone shitty island
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>>69768870
>We won World War II
>Yanks still believe this
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>>69768870
>us won ww2
>reward is white people beeing replaced
>mfw :^)
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>>69773963
I honestly don't take anything a swede says seriously anymore on this board m8.

Japan can fuck up china shit any day of the week.
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>>69766703

Germany, UK and France combined have a much more powerful military than Russia tho
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>>69773415
this, america may not be perfect but youre best we have and im thankful for the protection.
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>>69774261
Yah but they would never work together
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>>69765756
Build metal gears
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>>69764740
This is what we need. We need to go back to being isolationist like we tried to after WWI. With the internet age being around, the rise of some wacko in Germany occurring again would be able to be noticed far more quickly, meaning that it could be stopped by any other country.
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I dont agree with Trump on this, which is why I hope he surrounds himself with strong military advisors. He is a businessman, not a politician or a military strategist. We're technically still at war with North Korea, and both Korea and Japan offer our navy ports away from home. How else are we going to troll the chinese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaKbZW0pqkM
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>>69774780
That's fine, they just have to pay us more. Trump will make them pay more.
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>>69774836

Nigger how about trump talks about cutting the billion dollars of fucking aid to Israel, I value the south koreans and japanese as allies far more then the Israelis.
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>>69766570
So much anime but ain't see mechas fucking mudslimes
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>>69774892
He has talked about this, including paying less for NATO

Trump wants us to get paid for protecting the world, which we should.
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>>69775112
Well we DO, but he wants us to get paid MORE.

Him talking about actually withdrawing is probably a bluff that he's going to negotiate down, but some people don't realize this.
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B-but Korea does pay for protection

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/130172.pdf
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>>69774601
>could be stopped by any other country.
No fuck that shit, no guarantee that fucking Germans wont just make a deal to split Europe with Russia. Also liberating Russians don't leave so you need to stay here.
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