WHITE NATIONALISM IS A CULT
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So ramzpaul made a new video that's gonna trigger more than a few. He basically tell the white nationalist and the ''1488 crew'' that they ruin the alt-right and that they should go fuck themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnbREcG30Dg
What do you guys think
Well it's true but that doesn't mean they aren't useful.
SJWs are a cult but ya think they aren't useful? Of course not.
lel
>>69761762
I didnt even know you could remove white nationalism from the alt-right and still have something of substance
last bump
>>69761707
Ramzpaul is being pussywhipped by a big tit jewess
Further proof that only weeb wizards are fit to be leaders
Breitbart highlites Ramzpaul as the leader. Now Ramz wants to buddy up with fags.
>>69761707
unironic stormfags have always been a cancer on here
>nation states are a cult
Wut
>>69761707
I still don't get the 1488 meme, something nazi related?
>>69761707
>the white nationalist and the ''1488 crew''
IS the alt right. Without them, the alt right is just splintered, irrelevant cuckservatives with no core identity or motivation.
>>69765494
14 words, 88 something.
Stormweenies have an average IQ of 80
>>69761707
just admit it, you're a white nationalist. yeah, you. quit hiding the truth u fucking pussy
>>69765635
88 because H is the eighth letter of the alphabet. HH = Heil Hitler.
>>69761707
>So ramzpaul made a new video
WELL CYA RAMZ, NICE JOB SAYING FUCK OFF TO YOUR WHOLE "FAN BASE"
The division between the "realpolitik" and the pacifists has always been the bane of far-right politics. I think every fascist movement struggles with having to accept or deny certain groups or ideas that may be leaning to one side or another. Just yesterday I read that Mosley was not an anti-Semite until some newcomers to his party influenced him. Before that other UK fascists were calling him a "kosher-fascist" or something like that.
you can't just put yourself in one of those two camps and throw the other away because this has been a struggle in right-wing politics from the start. The other side will eventually take you down if you stop paying attention to them.
Someone just needs to synthesize the two groups together.
>>69765957
I was just reading about Arnold Leese and the Imperial Fascist League. Those are the ones that got mad at Mosley.
So he started associating with jews, and now he shills for the jews
Why's he bring up israel, what does israel have to do with white nationalism?
Truth is never extreme, nor is it edgy.
>>69761943
Anglin should just fuck off. His insistence in tying WN to his obsessive jew baiting does more harm than good
These cucks are gonna ruin everything, not talking about him.
>>69765957
Ramzpaul had been signalling really hard, though.
I suspect he made friends with some merchants in Breitbart and around, and they have been telling him that he could become a successful politician or personality, but he gotta ditch the National Socialists.
>>69766302
Can't have a WN movement filled with jews tho
They will undermine and destroy it, as they aren't white.
Alt right is a meme stop falling for it
Ok I watched it.
He's not really saying anything extreme, just basically "drop the Nazi stuff if you wanna normalize the movement for wide spread".
Not the first time too, he called them LARPers before and stuff, so that's not really surprising.
I don't like the fact that he feels the need to say he's not a white nationalist just because the group is not to his liking - seems like a pretty cowardly move.
I still like you ramZ. I'm saying because I know you're the OP with a proxy. <3
>>69761707
He's right, though.
>>69766270
Some guy said he's whipped by big wholesome jew tits, we can just assume he's doing it for pussy.
Andrew Anglin needs to take his stupid site and go fuck himself. Ramzpaul is also stupid. He says he's for a White Homeland, that makes him a White Nationalist. But he's probably just pretending about that. His humor is really autistic and weird anyway.
>>69761707
You know your movement is shit when a bunch of autistic neckbeards role playing as nazi officers can ruin it from inside
the alt right without "the ebil nazis" are just cuckservatives who make videos about feminism and say jews and muslims are alright
>>69766754
>>69766729
Not really
Just being another liberal doesn't solve anything
The naziism is the only thing that makes it "altright" in the first place
Anyone who makes a youtube channel based around themselves talking into a camera is invariably a faggot. Stop latching on to the first person that says they like you, /pol/.
>>69761707
>ramzpaul
Who?
>>69761943
Who the fuck does this inbred fucking faggot think he is and why does he get to speak for the alt-right?
>>69764906
Mate, stop being a cuck for people who literally think of you as a subhuman and wouldn't hesitate to lock you in a gas chamber. Have some sense of self-worth.
>>69765419
Exactly. Why couldn't it have been a site like Daily Paul to have found /new/ instead of these stormfaggots? These people are evil, twisted, subhuman parasites.
>>69765604
>>69766875
Fuck off, leftist filth.
>>69765604
>This
Pretty much why I will be voting Clinton. She will enslave the lesser species by destroying their culture from withing. So much so that they will be inept in civility and the normal peoples shall remove them. Learning their "lesson" forever.
>>69761707
He has a point, the 1488ers are mostly divisive and apish.
>>69766902
I disagree though that accepting race/sex/cultural differences and wanting an ethnic national home is the same as fetishizing the 1940s.
Sure, I'm grateful to the 1488ers for starting the movement, but at this point we do need to normalize a bit to start winning elections and such.
And I don't think that white nationalism is exclusively Nazism, and I honestly view Nazism as defeatism.
>>69766902
If you want a movement to be pigeonholed and conflated with someone else's, which will render it ineffective, and ultimately abandoned, then keep identifying with the most historically extreme example you can find. It only benefits those who would be your enemy who seek to demonize all of their opposition.
It's like painting a target on your chest.
>Not goin' with Gage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbVKjknhMjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg2Nfrr9U38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOlJrTKoczc
ahahaha what the fuck did he really say the daily stormer is ADL-funded, literally 3 days after praising weev for trolling shitlibs with a stormer ad
ramzpaul is going fucking nuts
>>69767125
m8 ur literally a jew and the whole problem with the "movement" is trying to include jews/non-whites/cuckservatives
>>69767131
The truth remains the truth. There was really nothing extreme about Hitler/nazi's.
>>69767227
>Comments are disabled for this video.
I'll watch but I just can't trust those people.
>>69767238
He said historically extreme white nationalist movements have been funded by ADL and their collaborators to undermine any white identity movement.
But you all ready knew that, faggot. :^)
>>69767326
>m8 ur literally a jew
m8 u literally don't know me.
>>69761707
Ramz is right.
>>69761762
They do more harm by dissuading others from associating. 1488 is what the GOPe pretends Trump is to dissuade voters.
>>69767238
No, he's saying that at this point, he wouldn't be surprised if it was.
>>69767329
He says he doesn't like how his comment sections tend to be just circlejerks or drama farms. His thing is telling people to actually visit networks outside of Youtube comment sections to better organize and not chat in circles.
So are Stormfags controlled-opposition or what?
lot of israeli flags itt
>>69766440
Problem is he scorns other alt right personalities (ramzpaul, Richard Spencer etc) for thinking his 1488 shit is not the best way to attract bluepilled whites to the alt-right
>>69766440
Jews are whites in denial, tbph.
>>69767437
Idk I'd like the option of at least contacting the person who is preaching ideology, but he's right about the circlejerking.
>>69767458
just one m8
>>69767440
It's happened before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rEl7SnH4QI
>>69767341
Thats kinda nonsense
The whole problem is people being ostracized for "extreme"(read: non-mainstream) political views
You don't solve that by moderating & self-censoring these hateful extremists, while pandering to jews/non-whites.
>>69767516
The jewish question is the litmus test of someone being serious vs a paid shill
Jews ARE a problem, and jews do aggressively promote left wing ideologies.
>>69761707
Someone should make a supercut of this video and only use the parts where he talks about killing Jews
>>69767634
This is something even I have come to accept, even if I'm a bit more forgiving doe to my perspective.
>>69767593
>One shitposter happened to be a jew
>this means all WN are jews
he was one of us, rip
I think the problem here is that ramz thinks the only way for the alt right to get popular is for it to neuter itself and become literally republicans++. He's failed to notice that someone left the overton window wide the fuck open and the "mainstream opinion" doesn't even know where it is right now. You've got everything going on from people advocating literal communism to people yelling nigger at Trump rallies, so why should we try to put ourselves in a box that no longer exists? Let's just state what we *actually want* and hope it sticks, rather than compromising with nobody for no reason.
>>69767634
>Jews ARE a problem, and jews do aggressively promote left wing ideologies.
Unless someone knew those kinds of jews they won't beleive you.
I happened to, before I came to pol, so the redpill was easy to swallow.
Gotta take it slow with some people, teaching the retarded is difficult.
>>69767559
This.
They always come back with "well why are we seen as different?" But that no different that "Germans" or "Nordic" or "Mediterranean". Fuckers just want to be special snowflakes.
Alt-right is bullshit. Some libertarian shit mixed with "muh traditionalism". What the fuck, really. That's even worse than neocons.
>>69767860
I still think its a city culture and a nepotism thing not so much something inherently jewish. Just the religion works well for networking.
>>69767860
>Unless someone knew those kinds of jews they won't believe you.
Nah man, I don't know any blacks and I can accept the statistical facts about them.
The most powerful weapon against the Jews is the way they centralized power - a fact anyone can google.
>>69767909
>a fake image and ben shapiro so now you gotta go hardcore naziiioo wahhhh
No. Considering your flag what are you some butt hurt son of the cousin of hitler or something?
>>69767895
It's an american movement, what do you expect? They think it's innovative but it's just the same old bullshit mixed with internet memes.
>>69767227
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg2Nfrr9U38
Just watched this. He's quite good
Hes right, Stormfags are retarded
>>69767634
>You don't solve that by moderating & self-censoring these hateful extremists, while pandering to jews/non-whites.
No, you solve it by the same methods that fabianism and the regressive left have used; progressive indoctrination.
>>69767909
This, sad to say. I still listen to what people like Milo and Ramzpaul have to say, but I just don't listen to the parts I know are bullshit.
Same with Gavin McInnes.
>>69768002
Not an argument.
>>69767909
This, to them we're just another nascent niche market they feel like they got to get into and get on top of.
>>69767909
>ramzpaul
but he's literally named the jew in his videos before
multiple times in fact
ramzpaul predates pretty much anyone else, he's been a staple of /pol/ since before /pol/ got imploded and we had to move to chon(not 8gag, way before this)
>>69767056
>JIDF shill cuckservative
>neocon crypto-marxist
>trying to divide and conquer alt right
>calls other people leftist filth
>mfw
>>69768051
Normalizing edgy behavior online is a big part of that
>>69767593
So, "hey rabbi, whatcha doin'?" isn't just a meme...
>>69768109
I like the contrast with Stefan Molyneaux
He started off Libertarian, then looked at the facts regarding race, and is now a race realist.
>>69767516
He was fine with Ramz until Ramz started attacking him.
>>69767440
Definitely. They don't believe in ambition. They think that having a family is enough to stop the kikes. Not that you shouldn't, but you should be actively seeking a position of power to exert influence from to further their downfall.
Not to mention their odd worship of women, general lack of understanding of how humans work, overemotionality, and other idiotic qualities.
>>69761707
not wanting your race and culture to be eradicated isn't hatred or racial supremacy.
Whites represent 4% of the human population. If we don't advocate for ourselves NOW everything we built is going to disappear.
If we don't advocate for our race now we will disappear forever. Full stop. Whites deserve the same rights as everyone else.
Ashley is so damn qt. I'd totally convert for her.
>>69767440
you're just figuring this out?
>LE NAZIS SAVE THE WITE RACE XD
wait
who were their major allies in WW2?
oh right, fucking mudslim arabs and japanese.
How many non-jewish europeans died in WW2 by the way?
Who do we get compared to if we try to be at all pro-white?
Yeah, hitler really saved us alright.
Fuck boot licking neonazis, fuck the 1488 retards
>>69762286
white nationalism != stormfag neonazis
>>69768461
Literally the same thing in the eyes of everyone else
>>69768338
White people are 17% of the population you fuckwit.
How does ramzpaul makes videos without worrying about repercussions? What does he do for a living?
>>69768503
>t-t-they're not controlled opposition!
>makes any white nationalism movement look like complete shit due to association
>>69766270
seconding this, very suspicious
more subversion attempts to demoralize our survival, sage and move along.
>>69768402
Jew detected
Germany in the 20s was importing niggers by the thousands, because the society was literally controlled by the Jews
It only stopped because of Hitler
>>69768590
because germany in the 2020s is going to be so better off because of hitler, right?
you fucking idiots can't look two feet infront of yourselves and ruin everything repeatedly
>>69768558
white nationalism movements "look like shit" because the marxists & leftists are completely opposed to it
Nothing to do with neo-nazi's or 1488's or whatever
>>69768699
and gee
what part of it makes it look like shit do you think?
>>69768338
>not wanting your race and culture to be eradicated isn't hatred
So you're okay with dindus and kebabs? Real friendly with them? Wouldn't mind them as neighbors?
>or racial supremacy.
So you honestly think any other race would do things just as well as we do?
Don't cuck yourself.
He's right nazis will ruin the alt-right movement.
>>69761707
oh look a jew subverted you again just like milo
when will you guys realize they're all the same
>>69768678
>Hitler lost, that means he's anti-white!
lol if you non-ironically believe that the reason white people can be guilted is Nazism
without WW2, they would have used slavery in the USA and imperialism in Europe
before WW2, Germany was already receiving thousands of niggers from Africa, in a society that was controlled from top to bottom by Jews
>>69767909
It's been pretty obvious they're trying to give the alt right movement the old Sneaky Tea Party for awhile.
>>69768699
why give easy ammunition to your opponents? It's suicidal.
>>69768848
Why pretend your enemies will love or tolerate you if only you tried to be more "mainstream"?
>>69768590
Long nosed Arab detected
>>69768820
ah yes, that's why Nazi germany allied itself with non-whites
because they were so pro-white
hold on lets go ask hitler what he thought about whites in europe
>The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France
Hitler
Woops!
:^)
>>69768739
>don't do what the enemy doesn't like you doing
Cuck.
>>69768941
>posting images literally made by a jew pretending to be a stormfag to make us look bad
ugh! you got me!
>>69767634
Using Jews as a litmus test is fucking retarded. That should be the final "a-ha!" moment. If you start out with it you just turn people off.
>>69768789
Why do you care? Why are you going against your fellow man?
Oh right, you're another mentally ill liberal.
>>69761707
>White nationalism is bad
>Don't you know whites are the only people not allowed to have a country of their own?
>its the year 2020+8-12.
>A fucking Leaf.
Good. Stormfag SA LARPers are the fucking worst.
The Far-Right seriously needs to rebrand itself.
Anglin, weev, etc. should an hero.
>>69768923
You don't. There's an entire spectrum of subtlety between desired outcome and sieg heiling a swastika.
The direct approach is rarely the most fruitful.
>>69769031
because they're either actual retards or controlled opposition
nobody except those two parties could possibly believe what stormfront does is in any way good PR for anything, ever
>>69768149
>Delusional fucking retard making moronic assumptions about people for calling them out for what they are
>Someone disagrees with me! They must be a neocon crypto-marxist [insert buzzword] shill!11
Fuck off. I'm not any of those things, sorry. You're going to have to deal with the fact that there exists genuine, principled opposition from the right to your worldview and it doesn't fit your delusional checkbox list.
>>69768931
>Italy, Hungary, Finland, Croatia, half of France are non-white :^)
He's already been outed as controlled opposition
>>69768123
>chon
Feels like forever ago. Also, Fringe Elements was on race realism and naming the Jew around the same time.
>>69768931
>The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France
Nice source. If you think Hitler said that, you're retarded. But I guess you also believe he was a muslim, atheist, jewish, incestuous paedophile who gassed 6 million jews and started WW2.
Poor attempt at divide and conquer JIDF. There is nothing wrong with allying with anyone.
>>69769118
because they're controlled opposition
why do you think they immediately resort to buzzwords? Does it remind you of someone? perhaps, I don't know
the far left calling everyone and everything 'RACIST XENOPHOBIC SEXIST BIGOT!'?
>>69769118
nope
they are all Jews, and it's not a coincidence
white nationalism doesnt interest me
i am an Englishman who happens to be white not a white guy who happens to be English
>>69769171
please go back to 8gag where you can silence all the opposition and enjoy your stormfag echochamber
>>69769149
Ramzpaul? No.
>>69761707
THIS THREAD IS OVERFLOWING WITH YIDDISH KIKES!!!
14/88 HEIL HITLER!! FUCK RAMZPAUL AND ALL THE OTHER KEKSERVATIVE SCUM THAT DENOUNCE WHITE NATIONALISM!!!
SIEG HEIL!!!
>>69768941
nice meme Anglin
Now don't you have some asian sex tourism to do
>>69769071
Nah weev is cool
>>69769184
What's your problem with white nationalism? What actual idea do you disagree with? Other than "omg stormfags xDDDDD le dumb skinhead!!"
Do you think blacks are equally intelligent to whites?
Do you think whites don't have a right to live in a white country?
>>69769118
Nice try.
>>69769171
nazism and islamism go hand in hand so idk what point you are trying to make
while we are on the subject yes he did start ww2 and yes he did kill roughly 6m jews along with millions of white slavs
>>69769241
ramzpaul is literally a jew
>>69761707
ramzpaul is an old beta fag
who cares what he thinks
>>69769267
The problem I have is with retarded deluded stormfags that think 'omg hitler was the savior of da white race!' when he did more damage to the 'white race' than pretty much any single human in the history of mankind.
Fuck you if you're actually being serious, stormfags are absolutely retarded and really are a cult.
>>69769071
>The Far-Right seriously needs to rebrand itself.
Into what?
A 'tolerant' group of people who want their nations and race destroyed by niggers, Muslims, and Jews?
You want us to suck kike cock like everyone else?
GTFO of /pol/ you traitorous, disgusting shill.
I fucking hate you invaders.
>>69769186
Ben Shapiro was never altright. Sargon was always a known cuck. Ramzpaul is being mischaracterized, and Milo was only ever good for bashing feminism.
But please, carry on about another fucking Jewish Conspiracy, stormfag.
>>69768123
Cults have no space for nuance or dissent.
Every time you think there's finally a good Jew, they backstab you:
Ben Shapiro, Milo, etc.
>>69769307
when did he say he was a jew?
>>69761707
Libertarians and Milo fucks are trying to co opt the term alt right
It's sad but won't last because they're bitches
>>69769184
this thread is filled with it. scary how they come out in force.
>>69769307
Is he actually Jewish?
>>69769370
Yes, it's almost as if adult people have different opinions. Must be a jew conspiracy!
>>69768590
>Germany in the 20s was importing niggers by the thousands
source pls
>>69769339
You didn't answer my question. Liking Hitler or not is absolutely irrelevant for the future. It's fucking history.
Do you think blacks are equally intelligent to whites?
Do you think whites don't have a right to live in a white country?
>>69769350
Are you saying there's no major Jewish involvement in driving mass immigration and other leftist causes?
Are you saying there isn't a Jew 90% of the time behind the intellectual promotion of racemixing, mass immigration, multiculturalism, etc.?
>>69769224
Why would I want to be in an echochamber. Someone has to be here to call divide and conquerors like you out on your bullshit. The ones who do the jews' footwork by neutering their opposition. I'm not a stormfag btw. I'm a privately educated christian socialist with a 125 IQ. And I'm damned if I'm gonna let the alt right be made a safespace for jews by cucks like you. 1488 IS the alt right.
>>69769472
Mein Kampf
>>69769447
You can't claim to be factually based and then ignore race is an issue.
These Jewish alt-righters are no different from Tumblr when it comes to race.
>>69769488
>durrhhh if ur pro white then ur a nazi!
this is why nobody likes stormfags, they're not the same thing you idiot
Alt Right is cancer. The anyone can join attitude fucked over several movements already and the last thing we need is non whites or degenerates have a say in how to shape white countries
Ramzpaul like most men is simply a sucker for a nice smile
>>69769443
Where do you think you are JIDF?
He's right you know, the greatest disservice to WN is other WN. They usually dress like shit, are fat and say the most retarded thing. Just compare them to the Nazi's who were Alpha, dressed well, in shape and could intelligently counter the arguments of others with a good education.
If you want to build a movement, you need moderates on your side. The Red Pill isn't a suppository, it's something you have to goad someone into taking over time. You're not going to win over people, especially moderates by saying Kill All Jews, Race War Now. You have to slowly, but surely start showing people the Jewish problem and how only 2% of the population is in charge of our money, our media and our politicians and are out to genocide White people. This isn't something that happens in an hour.
You want Whites to stand up for themselves? Lie, call yourself something else, get rid of extremist because more than likely, they're plants sent in by Jews. Dress well, speak well and try to lure in as many moderates as possible.
>>69769429
>>69769371
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXTKxjDuao
(probably is a joke)
>>69769574
You keep avoiding my questions.
Do you think blacks are equally intelligent to whites?
Do you think whites don't have a right to live in a white country?
Why do you have such trouble with answering that? Why are you so obsessed with some trivial historical fact (the assessment of whether Hitler was a good or bad thing)?
>>69769544
>hates jews
>follows a religion created by the king of the Jews, based on the teachings found in the Old Testament aka the Big Book of Famous Jews
>>69769340
Notice how there are two main types of people that identify as Communists nowadays. Old holdouts, and young College morons that even SJWs differentiate themselves from.
Our "old holdouts" are dead. Our young college morons are Stormfag LARPers.
Are there still Communists/Marxists and those who sympathize with them? Absolutely. But they've now hijacked the labels of "Progressive" "Democratic Socialist," etc. They don't spend their days defending Stalin, Trotsky etc. as if that were the most important issue, they don't fly the Sickle & Star, etc.
Argue the same points, that's fine with me. Hell, I'm huge on Codreanu and Mussolini. Do I go around using fascist symbols and name dropping them? Absolutely not.
Just pick a new label and distance yourself from the Nazis. Keep the policies and ideology, sugarcoat the rhetoric a bit, and let normies figure the Jew thing out on their own. Once you start pointing out double standards, and the decline of the West, it's pretty fucking easy to connect the dots.
>>69761707
So reddit wants to join the alt right now?
>>69769610
nope, according to '''white nationalists''' in this thread you're supposed to run around yelling "SEIG HEIL! KILL THE JEWS! ALSO MURDER ALL THE FRENCH POLISH ETC BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WHITE LOL" and then every white person will magically join you
>>69769488
>Liking Hitler or not is absolutely irrelevant for the future. It's fucking history.
Not him but let me just say that the day the one sided telling of history ends people will look to hitler again because hitler revived a broken nation. People who brought order will always be looked up upon
>>69769610
>don't be white nationalist goyim
>that's what the jews want
What if we convert to Judaism and create a closed-off White Jewish world? Would it be so bad?
>>alt-right is a fascist / national socialist movement
>Paid opposition! Shill!
>>alt-right is not a fascist / national socialist movement
>Paid opposition! Shill!
Which is it, fags?
>>69769488
I readily admit that there is Jewish involvement.
However, you're suggesting that the alt-right is being subverted by Jews. That's true, but it's the (((Pure Aryan Warriors))) not Ramzpaul of all people.
>>69769652
You have to go back to the guardian.
>>69769610
>They usually dress like shit, are fat and say the most retarded thing.
Usually? Or are they just cherrypicked to make them look bad?
Sure, there are fatasses among white nationalists, but are they the majority? Anyone can post cherrypicked pictures.
>>69761707
Nazism was a political cult. It continues to be one, it just became fringe due to its spectacular failiure. What else is new?
>>69769755
It's neither
The heart of alt right thought is simply anti enlightenment
Nazis and such are welcome because they at least get it better than say the libertarians
>>69769680
>le straw man
Read the sticky reddit.
>>69769663
This. Anyone decrying this as a divide & conquer strategy is either a moron or themselves trying to sow dissent.
>>69769755
>alt-right is a movement primarily focusing on preserving western culture with a secondary emphasis on libertarian social views and conservative economic policies
how about that one?
But here's the real thing the stormfag LARPers have with the alt-right:
they can't control it anymore.
That's why they're lashing out like autistic toddlers, they hate when they lose control of anything. It's also why they worship a guy who created a police state.
>>69769548
>Mein Kampf
fuck off pls. not even Hitler thought it is a good and accurate book.
>>69769863
funny, someone who didn't even know who ramzpaul was calling me 'reddit'
just fuck off already
>>69766729
The problem is that any movement towards nationalism, patriotism or cultural pride is called "nazi stuff" by you fucking kikes.
>>69761707
He's right.
They are a living breathing cherry pickable example of right wing idiocy.
They do more damage to the perception of nationalism than else.
>Look guys I think we need to talk about unfetted immigr- HEIL HITLER FUCK THE BLACKS FOURTEEN EIGHTY EIGHT MOTHERFUCKER LETS GET PISS AND SMASH SOME CUNTS
That's what happens.
>>69769663
>getting normies involved
And so it dies
Shame
>>69769889
>libertarian social views
just go vote democrat like a good retard
>>69769947
>flag
This is how it works.
>>69769812
You know tolerance and diversity have arrived once you see a chick with blue hair.
>>69769885
>WNs aren't allowed to be part of alt right anymore
>IT'S NOT DIVIDE AND CONQUER THOUGH
>>69769889
>But here's the real thing the stormfag LARPers have with the alt-right:
>they can't control it anymore.
Where the fuck is the "alt right" even popular?
No one outside of fringe corners of the net has ever even heard about it and lacking a clear structure no one even gets what its goals are
>>69769947
this
they don't get it, the only response you'll get is:
>LOL UR A JOOOOOOOOOO!
>LOOK AT MY JOOOO PICTURE SHOWING HOW WRONG YOU ARE!
>>69769934
I know m8, but you just gonna have to not be a little bitch and learn how to call kikes on their bullshit.
And at any rate, I see it becoming more legitimate as the left fucks the west right in the ass
>>69769889
>libertarian social views
Kek. Alt right is full social conservative.
Fuck off, you libercucks won't ruin it all this time
>>69767131
It's not the nationalists that are pigeon holing and conflating. That is the Jews doing that to try and delegitimize the movement
>>69761707
He's just jumping on the Milo bandwagon.
I'm ultra-racist but nazi seriously, i'm tired of these germanboo and this admiration for hitler who is a subhuman
>>69769889
Stefan is a race realist and touches the subject more often than these kikes ever will, which is never
>>69769909
They were so numerous they were easily visible in the streets of Germany
>>69770071
>>69769970
this is why you aren't welcome you retarded stormfags
piss be upon your nigger footlicking pope
>>69769184
Exactly! I think you're on to something. White supremacist groups have a long history of being controlled opposition. They are statists, they believe in identity politics, they believe in their own version of social justice for whites; they are collectivists, they're globalists; support for the Third Reich, and they' want to instigate a race war just like George Soros.
>>69769186 >>69769350
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on that absurd macro image. Shapiro was never involved with the alt-right. As far as I'm aware, Sargon isn't Jewish and he's a lefty. Milo was just reporting on the movement.
He's right
>>69765809
88 precepts.
>>69770009
Of course they're allowed. Just moderate your public appearance.
*** don't show your power level ***
>>69769663
I actually agree, to a certain degree, with what you are saying.
Worshiping the Nazis is like worshiping a dead kike on a stick: it's ridiculous.
However, the enemies of any real WN will invariably correlate our goals and worldview with the Nazis; and they will be pretty accurate about that.
So these kids that want to play SS and post pictures of the Third Reich (and they used to annoy me as well) will, I think, eventually grow out of that edgy phase of admiring the trappings and material manifestation of the Nazis.
But they are on the right path. You can't disown them because they worship a failure, or the symbols of an extinct political movement.
Sure, we need new symbols, and they are appearing. Gen Identity, NordFront, etc are on the right path.
But the second that I hear some asshole tell me that I shouldn't be open about my desire to genocide every filthy fucking kike on the planet so as to not upset anybody, I'm going to tell that fucking faggot to die in a fire.
Because we are going to have to kill every single kike before we will ever be free to unlock our true potential as a race, as a Western cultural matrix.
>>69761707
The nazi party was, for example, a closet gay cult:
>The truth about homosexuality and the Nazi Party
>The Interfaith Alliance, a far-left religious advocacy group in Idaho, has accused Scott Lively, a scheduled speaker at this weekend's "Shake the Nation" conference in Boise, of "bearing false witness" and of being "mean-spirited and hurtful."
>Ludwig Lenz worked at the Sex Research Institute in Berlin, which was destroyed by Hitler's Brown Shirts in 1933 likely because its records, including 40,000 confessions from members of the Nazi Party, would have exposed the sexual perversions of Nazi leadership. Lenz said that "not ten percent of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal."
>In fact, the Nazi Party began in a gay bar in Munich, and Ernst Roehm, Hitler's right hand in the early days of Nazism, was well-known for his taste in young boys. William Shirer says in his definitive "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," not only that Roehm was "important in the rise of Hitler," but also "like so many of the early Nazis, (he was) a homosexual."
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/080515
>>69769663
>Just pick a new label and distance yourself from the Nazis.
Personally I'd point to the Amish. It hits all the main points and works fine on a superficial level which is really all you need.
>>69769975
What did I say that was wrong?
Every time anyone wants to have a debate or conversation about anything quite right wing or nationalist all the media, politicians, or normal people on social media need to do is point at those retards and then attack their 'arguments' instead of the more nuanced and neutral moderate ones that everyone else puts forward.
They poison the fucking well just by existing.
>>69770111
Are blacks and whites equally intelligent?
Is it wrong for white people to want their countries to remain white?
Answer that, you don't want to answer, because your positions on those issues are literally the same as the positions of a communist, a socialist, a liberal and a SJW.
>>69769224
>You just want an echochamber!
>pls go away
>>69770111
>Sargon isn't Jewish and he's a lefty
Hes part nigger somewhere down the line and is now starting to embrace the "i am 10% shitskin so i count as minority" card to shit on whites
>>69770103
>been speaking against anglin and nazi larpers the whole thread
>now i'm a stormfag for opposing your libercuckery
fuck off paultard
>>69769755
>>alt-right is a fascist / national socialist movement and therefore wrong
>Paid opposition! Shill!
>>alt-right is not a fascist / national socialist movement
>Paid opposition! Shill!
FTFY
riddle me this, stormfags:
if nazis were 'da savior of da wite race', then why did they methodically kill so many non-german whites?
oh right, you got to pick and choose who you considered white
how many of you really think you'd be considered white by the nazis?
before any american replies, Hitler said he considered american whites to be 'mutts'
This guy summed it up the best:
"Ramz, you're backlashing against white nationalism, but think about this: how in any way will it be possible for whites and Europeans to fight for the retention and preservation of their land, culture, ethnicity, and heritage, without coming off as a "cult", or assholes, dicks, racist, elitists, supremacists, etc.
My point is, it is an inevitability that whites and Europeans will be viewed negatively for fighting this struggle that they must fight in order to maintain sovereignty. There is no warm, fuzzy, polite, politically correct way to do it. The establishment has labeled actions and ideologies conducive to the proliferation of white/European culture as all kinds of buzzwords that have artificially negative connotations. Why are you supporting the corrupt, sellout establishment's stigmatization of our struggle?
This fundamental dilemma is the elephant in the room you should be addressing."
>>69770071
I'm a social conservative, what I'm not is a social authoritarian.
>>69769889
You're spot on with the stormfags, but the alt-right can't be boiled down to "Libertarian social views and Conservative economic policies."
There are plenty of economic centrists in the alt-right, social conservatives etc. That's not to discount the west-loving libertarians, but let's not pretend they're the only ones in the coalition.
>>69770265
Why do you keep talking about something that happened 80 years ago and refuse to answer these questions regarding the future:
Are blacks and whites equally intelligent?
Is it wrong for white people to want their countries to remain white?
You are red herring. You don't want to talk about the issues. You want to talk about how ugly skinheads are, and how Hitler lost the war.
>>69770323
>Are blacks and whites equally intelligent?
no
>Is it wrong for white people to want their countries to remain white?
no
if you don't understand the difference between being a stormfag and being pro-white, you're the problem.
>>69770265
Did you forget that the USSR was a thing and their mobilised military existed on the doorstep of nazi Germany.
>>69770208
No he's right. Fuck you and your flag you shitposting cocksucker
Homosexuality, Pederasty, & Occultism’s Combined Influence On the Third Reich
http://www.scribd.com/doc/37050776/Homosexuality-Pederasty-Occultism-s-Combined-Influence-On-the-Third-Reich#scribd
>>69767516
I'M AUTISTIC AND PROUD
>>69767227
Can't cage the Gage. A non-white who is doing it right. Watch his newer stuff. He stresses the importance of taking action rather than trying to "wake" people.
Basically his message is get off the net, and go back into the matrix(real world). Build yourself up and run for local government positions.
Make your campaign messages be "let's keep our communities safe" rather than "keep out the nigs" (same idea though).
Jews can't micromanage, so start small!
>>69770359
You are the one claiming every pro-white person is therefore a stormfag.
Even with their home countries set against them, their women brainwashed against them and their culture being shit on white men are trying to find a "middle ground" to discuss things out?
How sick in the head are we?
>>69770265
When did they do that?
White nationalism
>wanting country for white people
This is literally all it is.
It's not complex or hateful at all.
If I'm trying to keep pandas from going extinct, you give them a habitat and help them reproduce.
That's what white nationalism if for white people.
>>69770265
>if nazis were 'da savior of da wite race', then why did they methodically kill so many non-german whites?
Because the 'Nazis' were actually masterminded by the Weimar kikes to create the state of Israel and genocide as many Aryans as possible.
Hitler was a Rothschild kike, an enemy spy who infiltrated an anti semitic movement and took it over.
He sent all the filthy Ashkenazis over to Israel and singlehandedly did more damage to the white race than anyone ever before in history.
This is why we need to
GAS THE KIKES
RACE WAR NOW
>>69770011
The alt-right has effectively shaped the political environment of the 2016 election. The name itself might not be popular but the ideology is taking hold fast.
Read pic related and you will understand this thread.
>>69769889
You're reading it backwards.
The only people lashing out are the social faggots keeping face and trying to stay away from being called racist, and if anything they are the ones trying to take control of the masses
>>69770226
>No, they're not. I'm a race realist.
>No, but it doesn't mean you get to oppress them and treat them like second class citizens.
>Nice baseless assumptions there, friend.
>>69770278
So you would allow, say, pornography and other kinds of social decay in our so longed whitetopia?
what's the difference between that and the liberal democracy so reviled by WNs?
Masculine Vs Effeminate Homosexuals
Whereas effeminate homosexists "normally" don't seek out & bugger young boys, militant gay pederasts do.
>For political & sociological identification, there's an important distinction which must be made between effeminate homosexist males, who are obvious & popularized by mainstream media & in Hollywood films, & masculine "ubermenchen" militant gay pederasts like the Nazi Brown Shirts who target & bugger young boys & have sexual "relations" with their comrades.
>Due to conventional notions about homosexuality & stereo-typing, the militant gay pederast who preys upon young boys often flies beneath the radar & escapes detection, largely because he can posture as, & is thus perceived to be a "heterosexual."
>Indeed, militant gay homosexists have little regard for effeminate homosexuals or those who are disdainfully referred to as heterosexual "breeders."
>As shown in the film "THE DAMNED," starring Dirk Bogart, a depiction of the June 30th, July 1st, 1934 Night of The Long Knives, in which the SA leadership was eliminated in a consolidation of Hitler's reach for absolute power, the Nazi movement was advanced & controlled by militant gay pederasts.
>Indeed, a few days after the murder of Austrian Chancellor Englebert Dollfus, in Vienna July 25, 1934, the semi-official Italian newspaper, Il Popolo di Roma, published the comment, "Pederasts and assassins rule in Berlin." [Quoted from The Pink Swastika]
http://www.henrymakow.com/the_riddle_of_the_gayhomosexis.html
>>69770553
>pornography and other kinds of social decay
this is why nobody takes you guys seriously
>>69770515
>it doesn't mean you get to oppress them and treat them like second class citizens
Is deporting them oppression?
Why do they get to be citizens? You know citizenship was originally devised to be inherited by blood, not by being born in a piece of land?
>>69770425
>Even with their home countries set against them, their women brainwashed against them and their culture being shit on white men are trying to find a "middle ground" to discuss things out?
>How sick in the head are we?
Exactly.
We need to start killing our political enemies, ASAP
Traitors go first
>>69770476
>The alt-right has effectively shaped the political environment of the 2016 election
I hear that all the time but no one can ever back it up with legit examples where the "alt right" did anything.
I might as well say that /pol/ shaped the environment because we are pushing truths in all different kind of corners of the net but even then i would have no hard evidence
>>69770590
Who's "you guys"? Why do you keep strawmanning so hard? Are you now claiming every white nationalist wants to ban porn because one BRAZILIAN guy asked that?
>This essential distinction has been intentionally censored & blurred to facilitate a rise of militant gays to power on the deception of what appears to be the stereo-typical "harmlessness & "helplessness" of effeminate homosexuals.
>On the other hand, morally vigilant heterosexual males who object to the abuses of the gay agenda have been surreptitiously maligned as "homophobes," this when most of the violence which occurs in the homosexualist culture, is perpetrated by militant gays against effeminate homosexuals.
>Essentially, militant gays ride into power clinging to the backsides of effeminate homosexuals.
>The main difference in the target for the sexual affectations of militant gays vs effeminate homosexuals is, whereas militant gays will prey upon young boys for sodomy, effeminate homosexuals will usually target older teenagers, or most preferably they will strive to seduce virulent married, masculine heterosexual males, with an emphasis on masculinity.
>A similar sexual dialectic prevails among lesbians, in which one assumes a dominant male or masculine role, & the other a more submissive or passive feminine role.
>There is a poverty of knowledge among the people about the dynamics & nuances of the homosexualist culture, thus leading to many misconceptions, & often unwittingly an undermining of both the political & cultural terrain.
http://www.henrymakow.com/the_riddle_of_the_gayhomosexis.html
>>69770646
Donald Trump shilled Coulters book a few times
>>69770375
You don't get it do you.
Your approach hasn't worked. Nationalism being led by a bunch of shaved headed apes who idolize hitler hasn't fucking worked, for fucking obvious reasons. Your continued belligerently loud existence and propensity to stick your fucking noses in every where is continuing to kill nationalism from spreading. People don't want to be associated with you. They don't want to be represented by you. And they sure as hell don't want to be accused of being you.
You.
Have.
Failed.
And we're nearer the precipice of cultural suicide than ever before, thanks for that by the way. Let people who are willing to temper their emotions, appearances, and stances do the talking and leading in the name of nationalism. Because perpetually childlike people like you have done your darnedest to drive any sane person away from even considering nationalism as a good thing, let alone from wanting to identify with and support it.
Ramz is so based. He is the god of Bantz, and makes a terrific figure head for the alt-right.
>>69770071
This. It took me a very long time to realize why I hated libertarians, and I finally figured it out- They are just a bunch of degenerate hedonists with no boundaries, that do not care what's best for a society, but what's best for themselves. They are kinda like an edgier version of a progressive.
>>69769985
>Generation Identity
They're a perfect example of rebranding of the right and distancing it from 1488ers
>>69770208
you'll only find shitposters here, friend
>>69770734
>Nationalism being led by a bunch of shaved headed apes who idolize hitler hasn't fucking worked
Why do you keep claiming that the white nationalist crowd looks like that despite evidence to the contrary?
Why do you keep buying into the perception generated by the mainstream media?
The Homosexual Roots of the Nazi Party
>The "gay rights" movement often portrays itself as an American phenomenon which arose from the civil rights movement of the 1950s. It is not uncommon to hear homosexualists (those both "gay" and "straight" who promote the legitimization of homosexuality) characterize "gay rights" as the natural third wave of civil rights activism (following blacks and women). In reality, however, Germany was the birthplace of "gay rights," and its legacy in that nation is truly alarming.
>The "grandfather of gay rights" was a homosexual German lawyer named Karl Heinrich Ulrichs. Ulrichs had been molested at age 14 by his male riding instructor. Instead of attributing his adult homosexuality to the molestation, however, Ulrich devised in the 1860s what became known as the "third sex" theory of homosexuality. Ulrichs' model holds that male homosexuals are actually female souls trapped within male bodies. The reverse phenomenon supposedly explains lesbianism. Since homosexuality was an innate condition, reasoned Ulrichs, homosexual behavior should be decriminalized. An early follower of Ulrichs coined the term "homosexual" in an open letter to the Prussian Minister of Justice in 1869.
>By the time Ulrichs died in 1895, the "gay rights" movement in Germany had gained considerable strength. Frederich Engels noted this in a letter to Karl Marx regarding Ulrich's efforts:
>"The pederasts start counting their numbers and discover they are a powerful group in our state. The only thing missing is an organization, but it seems to exist already, but it is hidden."
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=PinkSwastika
>>69770673
>they have no feeling toward Israel
EVERYBODY HATES YOU
Some of those that hate you want to use you to get money.
So you send them pictures of your daughter.
Why was it people hated you again, Israel?
>>69770103
Im an economic libertarian and social conservative, not in any way a nazi.
What now, you fat yankee? I bet you're either an atheist or a filthy papist.
>>69770679
Ann was a thing long before the AR and is simply using it to shill her shit. Lets be real here
>>69766302
There's a lot of reason to hate Anglin, his persistence when it comes to pointing out Jews isn't one of them.
I think him being a fucking racemixer with yellow fever and approving of PUA shit are more harmful to white nationalism. And him being a fucking manlet that never learns.
>>69770734
this tbqh
stormfags do more damage to nationalist movements than pretty much any other entity
>>69770323
>>69770359
>>69770424
>>69770515
>Divide et impera: Break them into groups, break them to the tiniest groups you can.
>Lead your enemy: Then, after you have a bit of a rep, slowly change your views, inject your real agenda.
>>69770553
You have to change the culture and it starts at the grassroots level. You have to promote a culture of traditional family values and use social pressure to dissuade people from degeneracy.
>After Ulrichs' death, the movement split into two separate and opposed factions. One faction followed Ulrichs' successor, Magnus Hirschfeld, who formed the Scientific Humanitarian Committee in 1897 and later opened the Institute for Sex Research in Berlin. The other faction was organized by Adolf Brand, publisher of the first homosexual magazine, Der Eigene (The Special). Brand, Benedict Friedlander and Wilhelm Janzen formed the Gemeinschaft der Eigenen (The Community of the Special) in 1902. What divided these groups was their concepts of masculinity. Ulrichs' theory embraced a feminine identity. His, and later Hirschfeld's, followers literally believed they were women trapped in men's bodies.
>The followers of Brand, however, were deeply insulted by Ulrichs' theory. They perceived themselves not merely as masculine, but as a breed of men superior in masculine qualities even to heterosexuals. The Community of the Special (CS) asserted that male homosexuality was the foundation of all nation-states and that male homosexuals represented an elite strata of human society. The CS fashioned itself as a modern incarnation of the warrior cults of ancient Greece. Modeling themselves after the military heroes of Sparta, Thebes and Crete, the members of the CS were ultra-masculine, male-supremacist and pederastic (devoted to man/boy sex). Brand said in Der Eigene that he wanted men who "thirst for a revival of Greek times and Hellenic standards of beauty after centuries of Christian barbarism."
>One of the keys to understanding both the rise of Nazism is found in this early history of the German "gay rights" movement. For it was the Community of the Special which created and shaped what would become the Nazi persona, and it was the loathing which these "Butches" held for effeminate homosexuals ("Femmes") which led to the internment of some of the latter in slave labor camps in the Third Reich.
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=PinkSwastika#Roots
>>69770897
>if I repeat it, then it becomes real!
we're not dividing shit, we're telling you to fuck off
there's the door, now go.
>>69761707
Because you stormniggers cant drop nazi memes, nationalist ideologies have a significantly harder time gaining traction.
Form your own nation's identity. Don't piggy back off of the Germans. History will become more fair to nazi germany in the future. These things take time.
>>69761707
ramzpaul is a latte sipping nu-male who should promptly jump off a bridge
>>69770897
I get wary of a "pro-white" person when all they want to talk about is how ugly skinheads are and how Hitler was so terrible
>>69770795
Why do label GI as WN?
>>69770860
The stormfags ARE the "movement"
The fact a buncha queers, jews, or other sorts who live off their youtube revenue disagree is meaningless
>>69769889
>libertarian social views
There's a really large fascist sect running a couple podcasts. They've actively called out freedom of speech as harmful (dumb kids will too easily fall for communism if they're exposed to it--i.e. laws should restrict discussion of communism), and drug legalization (encourages degeneracy and laziness, non-whites are too stupid to handle it).
Alt-right seems to just be "anyone on the right who's currently frustrated with the GOP."
From Boy Scouts to Brownshirts
>The "Butch" homosexuals of the CS transformed Germany. Their primary vehicle was the German youth movement, known as the Wandervogel (Rovers or Wandering Youth). "In Central Europe," writes homosexual historian Parker Rossman, "there was another effort to revive the Greek ideal of pedagogic pederasty in the movement of 'Wandering Youth'... Ultimately, Hitler used and transformed the movement...expanding and building upon its romanticism as a basis for the Nazi Party" (Rossman:103).
>Rising spontaneously in the 1890s as an informal hiking and camping society, the Wandervogel became an official organization at the turn of the century, similar to the Boy Scouts. From early on, however, the Wandervogel was dominated and controlled by the pederasts of the CS. CS co-founder Wilhelm Janzen was its chief benefactor, and its leadership was rife with homosexuality. In 1912, CS theorist Hans Blueher wrote The German Wandervogel Movement as an Erotic Phenomenon which told how the organization was used to recruit young boys into homosexuality.
>Wandervogel youths were indoctrinated with Greek paganism and taught to reject the Christian values of their parents (mostly Catholics and Lutherans). The CS belief in a homosexual elite took shape within the Wandervogel in the concept of "der Fuehrer" (The Leader). E.Y. Hartshorne, in German Youth and the Nazi Dream of Victory, records the recollections of a former Wandervogel member in this regard:
>"We little suspected then what power we had in our hands. We played with the fire that had set a world in flames, and it made our hearts hot... It was in our ranks that the word Fuehrer originated, with its meaning of blind obedience and devotion... And I shall never forget how in those early days we pronounced the word Gemeinschaft ["community"] with a trembling throaty note of excitement, as though it hid a deep secret" (Hartshorne:12)
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=PinkSwastika#Brown
>>69767909
Race realism and following anti-egalitarian implications is literally the core of the alt-right.
I basically like the points he's making though.
>>69770965
unless you're german then sorry senpai you're kinda fucked
I suggest moving to denmark
>>69770734
No. YOU don't get it. Jews don't want to be associated with them. Marxists don't want to be associated with them. That bunch of shaved headed apes who idolise Hitler IS the nation. THEY ARE THE FUCKING NATION. Just because they're not pretty and intelligent.
>>69761707
Completely rational. Going full Nazi takes you completely out of the national argument.
>>69770993
>The stormfags ARE the "movement"
no they're not
and this is what triggers you fags so much, you can't control it anymore and this just sets your autism off
>>69770965
>Because you stormniggers cant drop nazi memes, nationalist ideologies have a significantly harder time gaining traction.
Actually by doing that you normalize it and its no longer as "shocking" as it used to be. Then eventually people start listening
>>69770590
Do you seriously want a jewish dominated media type to be allowed in a WN society?
do you think jacking off all day would be a good habit for the young white kids born in siad society?
>>69770651
>no brazilian can be white
I know it's funny the first time but it gets tiring
same thing with the "argentina is white" meme
>>69770898
This.
>>69770157
I think Gen. Identity is doing a fine job, but I'm on the fence about groups like Nordfront.
I'm not big on "Let's exterminate the Jews," though. Is there disproportionate overrepresentation of Jews in movements, philosophy and ideologies that are pushing whites towards extinction? Absolutely; however, as a people we're in such dire straits that we need to act fast.
We can't dig our heels in the sand waiting for the masses to wake up, there's simply no time left.
I, personally, wouldn't even mention the Jews, aside from bearhugging Israeli domestic policy.
Right now, the biggest threat isn't even the Jews, I'd argue it's self-hating whites. Sure, they exist BECAUSE of the Jews and Marxists, but we have to take this one step at a time. Talking about exterminating all of the Jews doesn't solve the immediate problem, and just turns people off from the cause of preserving the West.
Sure the Overton window will probably shift, and (((Hate speech oy vey))) might become mainstream, and appealing political rhetoric again, but it will be too late.
I'd rather secure the West first and then debate on how to deal with the subversive elements. And I'd say it's a lot easier to do the former without naming the Jew.
>>69770960
No JIDF. That's not how it works.
>>69770979
>Nu-male
I don't think you know what that word means.
Snyder was not writing about the Gemeinschaft der Eigenen or of the Wandervogel, but of the upper ranks of the Nazi Party some thirty years later. Another Nazi custom from the Wandervogel was the "Seig Heil" salute, which was an early form of greeting popular among the wandering youth. During World War I, the greatest hero of the German youth movement was Gerhard Rossbach. Described by historian Robert G. L. Waite as a "sadist, murderer and homosexual," Rossbach was "the most important single contributor of the pre-Hitler youth movement". More importantly, Rossbach was the bridge between the Wandervogel and the Nazi Party
In the turbulent days following Germany's defeat in World War I, Gerhard Rossbach was one of many former army officers placed in command of Freikorps units. These unofficial auxilary military units were designed to circumvent limitations imposed on German troop strength by the Allies. Rossbach organized a Freikorps called Rossbach's Sturmabteilung . Rossbach also built the largest post-war youth organization in Germany, named the Schilljugend (Schill Youth) in honor of a famous Prussian soldier
In The Black Corps, historian Robert Lewis Koehl notes that both Rossbach's Storm Troopers and the Schilljugend "were notorious for wearing brown shirts which had been prepared for German colonial troops, acquired from the old Imperial army stores" (Koehl:19). These Storm Troopers would soon become known as Nazi Brownshirts. Konrad Heiden, a contemporary of Hitler and a leading authority on Nazi history, wrote that the Freikorps "were breeding places of perversion" and that "Rossbach's troop...was especially proud" of being homosexual (Heiden:295). Rossbach's adjutant was Edmund Heines, noted for his ability to procure boys for sexual orgies. Ernst Roehm, recruited by Rossbach into homosexuality, later commanded the Storm Troopers for the Nazis, where they were more commonly known as the SA .
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=PinkSwastika#Brown
>>69768271
He is still just as AnCap as ever. Its not like those two concepts are mutually exclusive.
>>69770860
Do you believe that they're controlled opposition?
>>69771107
>Do you seriously want a jewish dominated media type to be allowed in a WN society?
Sorry, I want no part in state controlled media because I'm not a cuck.
My country invented freedom, your country invented getting raped
>>69770960
>we're not dividing shit
>but we are gonna fragment this movement by splintering it
Sure thing, yankee fuck. How does this even matter to you? You're all mongrels in a non white country. The alt right and white nationalism should only apply to the White Homeland: Europe.
>>69770992
So people talking about The Great Replacement aren't white nationalists?
So let me get this right, people talking about how native Europeans are being replaced by Arabs are not, in any way or form, white nationalists? Okay.
>>69769889
>libertarian
Since fucking when?
Libertarian is light tier
Since the beginning the alt right has been about how the enlightenment was wrong
Like Jesus Christ it all started with the dark enlightenment group over 8 years ago
None of you people understand it and that's so sad
>>69769663
Take this fuck for example
The fact is that you should openly accept the Nazi side
Fucking take away the power the left has wielded with that term
But you won't because you recoil at being called that term
Fucking weak desu lad
I think this whole thing is hilarious though
Complete divide and conquer and this board is falling for it so easily
Not only does it throw away the stormer side it also throws away a very large section of the movement
Traditionalists and monarchists (who aren't libertarians if you dont know) are also alt right
The biggest irony possible is if the alt right just becomes a term for libertarian
Part of me hopes it does just cause I find that so absurd yet so imaginable
So many people here just don't get and will never get it
Just stick to calling yourselves conservative, kids
Stop trying to define movements that you don't even understand the origins of
>>69771060
The nation is also all those white people who don't agree with you. If you ever hope to change that, you have to change.
>>69771184
>YOU'RE THE ONE DIVIDING THE MOVEMENT!
>BTW, ALL AMERICANS ARE MONGRELS GET OUT!
Stormfags are this delusional
>>69770734
I'm not stormfront you fucking idiot.
Don't you get it? The fact that I take pride in being white and that I am proud to be American makes simple-minded dipshits like you to conclude that I'm stormfront. It's a no win for me to argue with low IQ faggots like you.
>>69770795
Its what EVERYONE who doesn't look below the surface buys into. And guess what, ALMOST NO ONE LOOKS BELOW THE SURFACE. The reason for that is that the surface is able to be portrayed as fucking horrifying.
I KNOW the nationalist movement isn't JUST shaved apes, but I also know that most people are fucking terrible and don't look any deeper than what the media shows them.
>>69771060
... what are you even trying to say. It's not just the jews and marxists that don't want to be associated with them. It's near enough fucking everybody on the planet, nationalists included. They are an extraordinarily visible, and thanks to the media, extremely vocal minority who have achieved nothing other than continually destroying any momentum or credibility a nationalist movement could ever generate.
>>69771074
No it's that YOU JIDF can't control it. You can't stand the radicals, the fanatics. Without the badwhites, there is no threat. That's why you must divide and conquer.
>>69771151
He did tighten up on the boarder issue in a weirdly non-ancap way. He's been going off lately with "You can't just let anyone into the country who wants to come" and such. If they're not coming onto your private property, shouldn't ancaps say you don't have a right to stop them?
What authority do you have to keep people off land you don't explicitly own?
>>69771137
he fits that description exactly.
Glasses? check
Wispy neckbeard? Check
Activist? Check
/epic/ Jewtube account? Check
Ugly? Check
>>69761707
Fuck these co-opters, him, Milo and the rest.
>>69771160
The alt right is not about total social freedom, you cunt. Just because you want it to be, doesnt make it so. A lot of us are deeply religious race realists, and we're not interested in your stupid yankee ideas of freedom of religion or freedom of the press.
>This thread
Ramz right as always. Fuck these ''white nationalists''. They don't speak for actual nationalists who are white.
>>69771270
Look at all these skinheads dude
Keep getting played by left wing media
Instead of causing infighting you should be spreading the pictures that prove left wing media wrong, not playing into their hands
Whenever a /pol/ack posts their face, rarely they look like a skinhead
>>69770988
Skinheads are ugly, they're useless and only serve as a punching bag for the left.
Hitler was great in MANY ways; however, he's not worth defending. He, along with National Socialism and the entirety of WWII have been canonized as the mythological backdrop for the new-age religion of secular humanism. Can that be reversed? Maybe. Would it be worth the time and effort? No.
>>69771298
You forgot gamer and yellow fever.
I think people simply take him more serious because hes wearing a suit. Watch his earlier video where he doesnt and he comes off like a typical numale
>>69771258
>stormfag
Nope. I'm a Calvinist who understands races are different and I want my country to be white again. I dont go around Sieg Heiling or anything.
Just admit you're a fucking libertarian and you cant deal with just being a part of the libertarian party.
>>69771122
There's an active opportunity to alter the dialog right now though - a hell of a lot of ordinary people are rolling their eyes at the extremity of the self-hating white left these days.
Seeing openings like that is a great opportunity to steer the conversation slowly and carefully towards a recognition that identity as a people isn't the same thing as hating everyone else, or being Hitler, or any stupid shit like that.
Incremental steps.
>cuck is now a mainstream insult
>>69771270
Because jews and marxists own the media and create this perception. There's nothing inherently wrong with WN. Or even Hitler. Personally, I want them to be rehabilitated, not purged from the cultural movement they created.
>>69771370
>He, along with National Socialism and the entirety of WWII have been canonized as the mythological backdrop for the new-age religion of secular humanism
You do know that before that it was slavery and colonialism, right?
>>69769589
Its just a label, mate. No one has joined jack shit. If the label is co-opted the movement will continue on independent of it.
>>69771298
Go ahead and dodge the fact that's he's like 50 something and extremely conservative. Grasp at straws more faggot. This is probably a bait honestly, just eat up this (You) tbqhwyf.
>>69771074
Without the "stormfag" views, you are just another cuckservative supporting white genocide, and approving of left wing social agendas
>>69771432
based Germany bringing the facts and kike tears
>>69771262
I'm fucking proud of being white. I'm a nationalist.
And what I said originally is right and you just proved it.
the continued existence of stormfront tier 1488 espousing retards is KILLING any hope nationalism has simply by continuing to exist so visually and vocally.
>>69771366
What infighting? Nationalist DON'T want to be associated with neonazis. That's the whole point of what I'm saying. They are fucking toxic and ruin the perception of nationalism which is more accurately portrayed by images such as yours.
>>69771189
>So people talking about The Great Replacement aren't white nationalists?
Most of them aren't. It's not a popular viewpoint in Europe as ethnic elemnt is still strongly prelevant in nationalists movement here.
>1488 crew makes alt right
>newfags get assmad the founders aren't cucks like the newfags
lele
>>69771499
>freedom of the press
>free speech
>left wing social agenda
good joke
>>69771160
here's your home then paulcuck
just don't get shot
>>69771525
Then why do they use the word "European"?
>>69766270
He brings up Israel because his entire idea of nationalism centres around it. If Israel can have a homeland for Jews, then white people can have a country for themselves too.
If jews aren't in Israel where are they going to go? Canada? You want all jews to go to Canada, you stupid leaf?
>>69771122
>I'd rather secure the West first and then debate on how to deal with the subversive elements.
The only way to secure the West is to remove the disease that is infecting it. This disease comes from a single source.
The white traitors are under the kike-spell. They can change their minds. However, the source of this 'spell' will never change their minds, they will never rest until every white person on Earth is dead or mixed into mud.
This is why we yell GAS THE KIKES. This is a life-or-death struggle.
And ignoring or 'forgiving' or 'forgetting' about the source of the disease that is infecting us is tantamount to failure.
We have to forcibly remove the kike and the nigger and the Muslim from our lands.
This is the only solution.
>>69771210
Why are you saying "you" like I'm a stormfag. I say they don't have to change. Society has to change. You know who doesn't agree with them? Jews. The establishment. Marxists. Welcome refugee cucks. Normies. They are the ones turning my nation brown. They are the ones that have to change. Not the WNs.
>>69771195
>You should openly accept the Nazi side
George Lincoln Rockwell already tried to render the word powerless with his American Nazi Party. It was a massive failure. If that strategy was ever going to work, it would've worked when White America was living under the lingering threat of nuclear annihilation, Communism and wasn't too happy about the Civil Rights movement.
Why try what didn't work before, with even more unfavorable circumstances?
And like I mentioned before, I'm not a libertarian in the slightest. I like guys like Mussolini, Codreanu, Mosley, etc.
>>69771517
>Nationalist DON'T want to be associated with neonazis
Then stop pretending anyone who's vocal about it must be a fat, bald, full of tattoos skinhead?
If you support Nationalism of ANY country, stop linking or refercing Ramzpaul videos.
>>69768848
They don't need ammunition. They'll call everyone who goes against the narrative a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews. That has been set ever since WW2, and no "1488er" is needed to rouse it.
>>69771583
Why don't they label themselves as WN?
/r/ing a ramzpaul "Don't ever say that to me or my wife's son again" from our finest shoopmasters
>>69771575
freedom for subversives and enemies is not a good thing
>>69771692
Oh so it's about labels, not ideas?
>>69771702
if you need the state to hold your hand and censor everything, be my guest
just don't get upset when they start censoring it in ways you don't like, dumbass
>>69771499
Fucking bullshit. Stormfags love to use this strawman to beat down conservatives, but the fact is that it's establishment, globalists in the Republican party who are the ones who favor mass immigration and kowtowing to the left's social agendas, NOT the rank-n-file, but you KNEW that.
>>69771625
>This is why we yell GAS THE KIKES. This is a life-or-death struggle.
>And ignoring or 'forgiving' or 'forgetting' about the source of the disease that is infecting us is tantamount to failure.
Running screaming naked at the enemy shows your relentless determination, but from a tactical standpoint it's stupid.
Invalidating yourself in front of normals the second you open your mouth isn't winning any battles at all.
>>69771575
They are. Those are leftist enlightenment views. Freedom of the press? Allows attacks on christendom and allows communists and muslims to propagate their views. Ban it. Same goes for freedom of speech.
Freedom of religion? Fuck off, this is a christian country.
You are just a libertarian. Go join their party already, these views of your belong more with them than the alt right.
>>69771663
Except in the alt right George Lincoln Rockwell DID help to render the word powerless. This kind of guy IS the alt right. Without people like him we would all be bluepilled normies with brown kids.
>>69771631
"society has to change" is an untenable position when one hasn't the means to change it.
It is changed by persuasion. Persuasion requires charisma and that charisma will only be hampered by being tied down to besmirched symbolism and nomenclature. All I'm saying. The "you" was generic, replace it with "one".
>>69771810
>Allows attacks on christendom
I don't care
fuck your kike on a stick(piss be upon him, mohammad, the hebrew bible and et cetera)
>>69769663
This. People get too hung up on past failures, clinging to labels that have long since outlived their usefulness. Leave this shit in the history books where its belongs. We have work to do here and now. I mean its 2016 people, come on.
>>69771663
Who the fuck cares?
Thats my point
When the fuck did everyone become such cucks on this board?
Like Jesus you all are in fear that your internet movement gets associated with stormers
Here's a news flash
It already is and that is not going to change
Also I never said you were libertarian but you are making the alt right libertarian
You are apologizing mate
When you apologize you lose
>>69771476
>or even hitler.
BANG.
There you go. Any positive perception of nationalism is killed in a heartbeat. Hitler is dead and buried and he needs to stay that way. Don't mention him. Ever. Just don't. 99% of the people on the earth think he's the devil. You have no chance of convincing them otherwise unless they get to a much more nationalistically aligned viewpoint. Worshipping hitler and KILLS any hope of realigning their viewpoints.
>>69771677
I didn't say anything like that. I said that the OP was right. They are killing the alt-right and nationalist movements, because nationalist are so easily PORTRAYED as being 'fat, bald, full of tattoos skinheads'. their continued existence actively hinders the alt-right, nationalism, and trying to take public pride in a white heritage.
That is ALL I am saying. Their existance damages their own movement, and the movement of less radicalised less crazy groups with nationalistic or pro-white beliefs. If I misconstrued that I apologise.
>>69771800
they do more to convert people into the cause than le serious argument I-am-not-a-Nazi-but-I-agree-with-them-on-everything-regarding-race will ever do
>>69768848
Look at Trump. What ammunition has he given anyone. Yet social media is awash with him shopped with hitler taches and no dissenting voices. When are you going to take the redpill.
>>69771864
Fuck off Varg Vikernes. Go hug a tree while you're at it
>>69771755
Even the term 'white' is a loose label that is far stronger rooted in the US than in Europe.
>>69771927
>Yet social media is awash with him shopped with hitler taches and no dissenting voices
maybe because he's been endorsed by actual stormfag retards who gives the media ammo to attack him with?
>>69771834
GLR was great in a lot of ways; however, neither he nor his movement were successful.
The American Nazi Party peaked at around 300 members. It's a recipe for failure. And he wasn't even successful at "demystifying" the word "Nazi," they still used it effectively as a cudgel following his death.
>>69771968
remember to lick the black feet
>>69771923
>nationalist are so easily PORTRAYED as being 'fat, bald, full of tattoos skinheads'. their continued existence actively hinders the alt-right, nationalism, and trying to take public pride in a white heritage
And you are wrong. Most aren't like that, and the fact you keep bringing up is a testament of how much the media shapes your perception. You shouldn't focus on trying to eradicate 1% of the people that agree with you because they are ugly as fuck --- you should focus on proving leftards that nationalists don't look like that.
>>69771791
The rank and file do go lockstep with the globalists/marxists.
The "stormfag" shit is not some extreme view, its not "lets gas the jews", its simply basic returning to the roots, that the US/canada/europe are white countries.
>>69771864
You say remove the stormfags? I say, remove the atheists. Goddamn degenerates.
>>69772051
>its not "lets gas the jews"
yes it is you idiot
this is why it's so poisonous, because the entire thing is ridiculous extremism
it would be like if bernie sanders went around with a hammer and sickle yelling "IT'S TIME TO COLLECT THE WEALTH!", that's how much subtlety you dumbasses have
>>69771919
It's not an apology to distance oneself from the more unsavory elements, it's necessary for ANY movement to gain traction.
I'm not suggesting compromising on core values, just a makeover.
The overwhelming majority of people aren't going to have their perceptions changed about Stormfags. Why follow George Lincoln Rockwell's unsuccessful strategy, when we can just take "rebranding" from the Leftist playbook? Their idea actually worked.
>>69772001
You know what youre right
We also need to distance ourselves from the racists of the alt right
Normal people are just too bothered by that word desu
>>69771972
What's your point?
Here's how it works:
There's a group that agrees with an idea, and it's labeled A.
Media demonizes A.
A splits into A and B.
B complains about how ugly A is, and how they aren't like A at all.
Then B is also demonized by the media.
B splits into B and C.
And that's how you end up with 20 different groups that all share the same goal (white countries remaining white) but fight about labels and call each other "ugly" because of cherrypicked pictures.
>>69771927
And yet, plenty of people don't believe it, even the ones saying it, because there is literally no evidence to support him being a racist, a nazi, or any type of extremist.
They end up picking the most tangentially related shit to spear him with and he can brush it off because any sane person sees it for what it is: yellow journalism.
>>69772022
remember to #smashthepatriarchy
>>69771800
>Invalidating yourself in front of normals the second you open your mouth isn't winning any battles at all.
Oh, you mean like turning against the people who care about their race and their nations and are willing to kill and die for these things?
Do you mean 'invalidating' as in bending over and letting your enemies fuck you in the ass and then suck their dirty mutilated cocks, saying, 'YES! I LOVE THE HIVE OF MY ENEMY! I WANT TO BE JUST LIKE KIKELAND!'???
The time for 'reasonable' discussion is far, far over, and has been for a long time.
The only way now is the path of blood.
And if we need to spark a global war that will cause the wives and daughters and mothers of every white male on earth to be raped or killed, and then convert them to our way of thinking, then so be it.
I would sacrifice half the world's white population to secure our future.
>>69771923
You don't understand. Hitler is associated with nationalism because Hitler IS nationalism. Like I said, look at all the Trump/Drumpf/Hitler memes. Trump is pro-Israel and his daughter is married to a kike ffs. The enemies of nationalism hate nationalism full stop. Hitler has to be rehabilitated. And that's what the alt right does and will continue to do. Look at 4chan. No one here believes in the holocaust here anymore. The nazis are perceived as the good guys. All my schoolfriends were running around carving swastikas everywhere and reading mein kampf while I was indoctrinating myself with marxism and killing my ancestors with sjw because Hitler was evil and killed jews. Till I converted to Christianity and uncucked myself.
>>69772129
That's actually a great point. It's why I genuinely favor using the word "race-realist" over "racist."
They mean the exact same thing; however, the former carries far less baggage. Though dropping Stormfags would do far more good.
>>69771978
God you are braindead.
Yes, Trump is being labeled Hitler because of Stormfront.org, not because the media will do anything to stop anyone opposing mass immigration.
Yes, dumbass.
>>69772051
No, they don't. What do you think the whole Trump movement is? And they have been frustrated at the Republican party for years.
Are you new here? People constantly call for the forced expulsion/genocide of all non-whites without exemptions and without remorse.
>>69772248
>Yes, Trump is being labeled Hitler because of Stormfront.org,
or you know
david duke
an actual influential US politician that outed himself as a KKK member and ruined his credibility forever
>>69769472
http://german.about.com/od/culture/a/blackhistger.htm
>>69772098
Who is saying that, dumbass..
The enemies of any right wing thought will always remain the enemy
The media tells you something is extreme or "unsavory", means you need to repudiate it & pretend to be a moderate?
White nationalism will always be extreme in comparison to the media narrative
>>69772294
Oh yeah, I am sure it started with David Duke, nobody called Trump a racist before that
>>69772130
>What's your point?
GI is not a WN movement, labeling them as such is doing them disservice.
They're correct in their approach of reinventing the right to fit modern times. It's neccesary to cut all ties with 1940s reenactors who label themselves as WN because tha label is soiled by decades of negative propaganda.
>>69772234
Dude, you're fucking autistic. With rhetoric like that, you won't even have the opportunity to START said war, because you won't have the numbers.
>>69772235
Hitler ISN'T nationalism, though. People just tend to think that because we have people who like to LARP as the Sturmabteilung.
/pol/ isn't representative of mainstream society. It's a Mongolian cave painting board filled with contrarians, social outcasts, etc.
Of course we'll praise Hitler, we were never very susceptible to group-think in the first place. It would be a waste of time to even attempt to rehabilitate Hitler. The minute you gain any sort of traction, the Media will just hold up the anon above you (And there are plenty like that), and use them to demolish your argument.
>>69772294
David Duke is the alt right. Trump is the alt right. You're going to have to get used to that.
>>69772397
Nobody in the 40s labeled themselves as white nationalists.
White nationalists was a rebrand itself - then it got demonized by the media
then it rebranded itself
now these guys will be demonized - and rebrand
and so on, and the movement that wants the same thing (white countries to be white) keeps diving themselves
>>69765604
You can support words, or your people. If you choose words as your identity / your people, then your flesh and blood people will lose.
Both Left and Right are for words as the core identity, and against identifiying with our flesh and blood people. Both support civic citizenship aka paper nationalism.
Both are essentialy a symbotic structure, which will in co-operation assimilate or destroy all contenders.
There are many autistic variations of the Right, and all of them believe in the same paper nationalism over evil racism. Most are kosher, and even openly bowing down to jews, who take supporting their flesh and blood ingroup very seriously. It's not hard to see how this dynamic unfolds.
The Alternative Right is alternative for word rightist. Apparently, there is a push to mutate this rising Alt Right into another variation of word rightism.
Them dumb Tea Partyist were co-opted very quickly. Wasn't very hard, when they didn't have any historical depth nor identity other than wearing 1980s American Eagle colleges. Alt Right on the other hand has more intelligent, better historical understanding and wider perspective on issues, and such a dangerous for word-cultists. Alt Right could provide the core and Tea Partyist the mass. That would mean the second revolution and a new nation. Watch this angle, as they'll be trying to prevent this collusion from happening with their propaganda stunts and false flags.
>>69772360
So you realize that being called "Literally Hitler" is an insult, but you want to give up plausible deniability and an appeal to fence-sitters to try the unsuccessful George Lincoln Rockwell strategy? Why?
>>69772027
Beating what the media represents and what social media reinforces is almost impossible ESPECIALLY with something that has been reinforced like the stereotyping of white nationalist groups over a period of decades upon decades.
I KNOW most white nationalists aren't skinheads. The REASON I keep bringing them up is because that is what the media and social media continually does, and neo-nazis continually give them fresh ammunition.
I have talked with friends about this type of shit, about how the media cherrypicks neo nazi tier arguments etc. Sometimes you can get through to them, other times you can't. But it's made so much harder by the continnued existance of these groups.
>>69772235
You are a neonazi retard. You can't rehabilitate Hitler. It can not be done anytime in the near future, and that is all we have. We are barrelling towards cultural oblivion and the course needs to be changed. Continuing with the old tactics of bring him or anything related to him up every 20 words has not, and will not work in time to change the course. If you give a shit about western culture you need to pretend he never existed. YOU need to learn some subtlety and how to lie. To show disgust at what he did. To distance him from nationalism. You will never draw enough people to nationalism quickly enough to change course by worshipping Hitler publicly. It can not be done.
>>69772470
>David Duke is the alt right.
this is so hilariously accurate that you don't even realize it
David Duke attempted to rebrand the KKK and failed miserably because of stormfag retards that refused to change.
He was actually doing pretty well for a while too, KKK was almost fashionable again.
But nope, you inbred low IQ dumbfucks had to go and ruin everything
>>69772241
>Though dropping Stormfags would do far more good.
You will never 'drop' 'stormfags'.
We are willing to do things that you cucks will never have the backbone to do.
We are willing to say things that are true, and we are honest about our motivations.
Faggots like you are nothing more than sycophantic ass-kissers, and maybe, in the end, it will be us that will get rid of YOU
>>69772484
White Nationalists weren't a rebranding in the sense he's arguing. White Nationalists ARE the Stormfags, it's a caricature they gladly paint themselves as.
>>69772470
David Duke is an FBI shill.
>>69772484
>Nobody in the 40s labeled themselves as white nationalists.
I know, but nazi larpers do so very often.
>>69772580
What's a Stormfag?
How many of the people who want white countries to remain white are Stormfags?
Do you see liberals arguing how problematic people with blue hair are to their movement, and how they need to stop associating with them?
>>69772669
>Do you see liberals arguing how problematic people with blue hair are to their movement, and how they need to stop associating with them?
pretty sure that would be the current split between hillary and bernie, m8
>>69772561
Go back to datamining on Dailystormer, FBI shill.
The only thing you mongoloids have the backbone to do is condemn the Far-Right to political irrelevancy.
The days of paramilitary organizations, street brawls, and politicized thuggery is over. We no longer live in an environment that rewards that.
We popularized the alt-right, we invented the word cuck, we have done all of the heavy lifting. You apes just want to latch onto our success, and subvert it.
Fuck off.
>>69772643
Good job, keep dividing and let them conquer you -- at least your aren't a "Stormfag", right?
>>69766270
Wasn't it pretty known that he is part jew? That was known a couple of years ago on the Occidental Observer and understood to color his stance.
>>69772123
You are compromising your core values
You can't even see it
That's what's sad
>>69772241
I don't think I've ever hated a person more than you
You don't even get it
The media will not stop painting you as a racist nazi btw even if you change your terms
The left only co opted liberal in America but America is a land where people never really knew the definition of liberal or socialist
Europe still uses the traditional definitions
People are well aware of what a racist is and what a nazi is and that is not changing
You can't dupe them like with socialists and liberal in america
Race realists are still called racists
Before we proceed further
Define alt right
>>69772864
>The media will not stop painting you as a racist nazi btw even if you change your terms
it doesn't matter what the media does you idiot
it matters what you can deny
nobody except far-leftists believe trump is a racist because he doesn't go around in a KKK outfit shouting "TIME TO REMOVE THE NIGGERS!"
>>69770998
If the alt-right is anti free-speech, then it will deservedly fail. Fascists are just sjws with a different definition of for the 'j'.
>>69772669
Literally a fucking strawman argument, friend.
>>69772561
>>69772234
This guy is a stormfag. He's useless. He will never accomplish anything. By associating with him, you are discrediting yourself and making it that much easier for the Left and Beltway Right to win.
Your idea on this has already been tried, it didn't work, give it up.
>>69772452
/pol/ is the HQ of the alt right. 4chan is one of the biggest websites on earth. No alt right intellectuals can afford to ignore or dismiss it. Why do you think stormfags targeted it so hard in the beginning. Millions of kids' minds are influenced here.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/
Hitler will be rehabilitated. Do people still consider Napoleon evil? He was demonised to the same extent as Hitler. But without mass media. And without an alt right to defend him.
>>69772756
Who's we? /pol/? You do know that the people that popularized the word cuck are the very same people that you call "nazi larpers"?
>>69772669
Stormfags are idiots who have fallen for Jewish tricks. These are the people who go on Jewish funded sites and complain about Jews and whatever the Jewish moderators decide they should complain about. Then if you disagree with them, and you think white nationalism should be about nationalism and protecting our people, they get all mad and call you a Jew while yelling ''SEIG HEIL 1488 KILL THE JEWS!'' Then they go back to their Jew funded site where they talk about whatever the Jew wants them to talk about.
It's insane how easy it is to divide white nationalism. We can never get anywhere because of these seig heil morons.
Nationalism gets very little support because of these people.
>>69772776
Nazi larpers are inherently divisive part of WN movement - mainly for historical reasons, but their hostility towards me as Pole is something that I've also experienced.
>>69772923
I asked 3 questions
How is asking 3 questions "a strawman"?
If you can't be open about your beliefs in /pol/ of all places, then where?
>>69772927
>He was demonised to the same extent as Hitler.
top kek, are you 14?
>>69772561
Just like der Fuhrer turned on his own, right? Go ahead and try, you cuck.
>>69771919
AfD and FN are gaining way more ground in an ambient way more cucked than America without the neonazi larping bullshit
>>69772901
You can deny all you want
Race realist is not more positive than racist
>>69771289
I think hes just being pragmatic. Filling the country with shitskins and going full Bernie is not going to help the cause of voluntarism.
>>69772983
>but their hostility towards me as Pole i
T H I S
this is why I fucking hate stormfags
they pretend they're pro-white but they're fucking not
they will take any single chance they get to name as many people as possible as non-white
oh irish? non-white
polish? nope, slavs aren't white
finnish? haha mongols aren't white
etc
>>69772983
Stormfront defines white as anyone of European descent with no Jewish roots
How are Poles not white according to Stormfront?
>>69772864
What have a compromised on?
So you admit that rebranding has worked. Where's your evidence to suggest that it won't this time? (It has happened in Europe as well. Not too many loud and proud Marxists in Western Europe).
>>69772901
This anon gets it.
>>69773051
Stormfront has a whole section of Poland, and defines white people as anyone of European descent without Jewish roots
Why do you keep lying so much?
>>69773072
Define the alt right
>>69772543
>You can't rehabilitate Hitler.
Yes you can. It has already been achieved here. And no one on the alt right cites Hitler as an authority or worships him in public. But he is nonetheless the genealogical progenitor of the alt right. And there's nothing you or I can do to change that. He will be associated with the alt right whether you like it or not. Because Hitler is the alt right.
>>69772901
That's because Trump is not racist. He doesn't believe races have different intelligence and so on.
>>69773062
>nazis killed millions of slavic peoples and considered them subhuman
>h-h-hehe y-y-you guys are okay because we need you as bullet fodder :^)
>>69772756
You use the word 'we' as if 'you' had anything to fucking do with it.
I've been doing this for a LONG time. I'm older than you, I'd wager, and I've worked for the interests of my race for decades.
You think the alt right is popular? Get a fucking grip. I see absolutely nothing that indicates that this new generation of racists is any more populous than my generation of racists.
It was my experience with Jews and niggers that made me this way: long ago.
I never thought of myself as a Nazi, or KKK member. I have always been highly independent.
I remember the beginning of Stormfront, and I was associated with the National Alliance in the late 90's.
Don't fucking lecture me about 'heavy lifting', because I've been here on 4chan's /b/ and /pol/ for years. I've been doing my share of heavy lifting, you snot nosed little punk.
And there will be war. It is the only way. You think you can just ask nicely not to be treated as a second class citizen in the nations your fathers built, ask nicely not to be openly attacked by niggers and Jews, intellectually and physically?
FUCK YOU
>>69772983
Yep, Slavs, Italians, Irish and non-whites who would have been inclined to support a pro-white, nationalist movement have all had to face hostility from these people.
>>69772930
Nope, Nazi LARPers are the useless fags over at Dailystormer, friend :^)
>>69772927
>Napoleon was demonized to the same extent as Hitler.
No. He was demonized, but not to that extent. It also took an absurd amount of time to undo the damage done to Napoleon's name.
>>69772998
You're attempting to correlate individuals who want to preserve their countries with the "GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW. SIEG HEIL!" crowd.
>>69773062
I know their official line, doesn't change the fact the are many people who are more radical on that matter. Even here it happens frequently.
>>69772943
You're straw manning JIDF. That doesn't work here.
>>69772295
>citing a content mill
still:
>After World War I, more blacks, mostly French Senegalese soldiers or their offspring, ended up in the Rhineland region and other parts of Germany.
I knew about that. There were some nazi propaganda material about it but it doesn't constitute importing by the thousands (even the propaganda doesn't claim that). They were a remnant of the french army in ww1.
I've read that book more than a decade ago and I don't think he met other blacks (at the very least it was a very uncommon occurrence) until the US army arrives and that was in Hamburg and not in some small town...
The nazis sterilized many of them but they weren't as viciously persecuted as jews were.
>>69773051
You are lying and strawmanning. Stormfront consensus is that all Christian European heritage people are white.
>>69773131
Again, what have I compromised on? You can't just make accusations and then fail to provide ample evidence for said accusations.
>Define alt-right
A loose but ethnonationalistic coalition of ideologically diverse individuals dedicated to the preservation of White/European culture, values. Primarily focused on reversing demographic trends, preserving ethnic majorities or (in the case of some Americans) creating a smaller ethnostate.
>>69773157
Me estas jodiendo????
Trump es peor que el fascista que tenemos ahora de gobernador,
lei por ahi que le decian el "Peron del Norte"
JA
Si alguien es el Peron del Norte es Obama
>>69773145
Mussolini and Evola predated him you moron.
Hitler is one of the most despised and hated figures of all time and no amount of propaganda will ever change that. It's time to let go
>>69773305
If that's a strawman, why are you faggots so upset that Ramzpaul doesn't like THESE type of people. If you're not like this then what's the problem?
>>69773425
it amazes me how little mussolini is hated comparatively because he's just so overpowered by hitler
>oh yeah that guy was bad I guess?
>>69773254
I probably did more than you.
Congratulations on outing yourself as an aging Stormfront user. Does it ever sting to know that a generation of young shitposters did more for ethnonationalism than you ever did?
It must. Really, that's the only explanation for why you'd be trying to hold us back.
Go back to Stormfront, you arthritic faggot.
>>69773252
No they didn't. The Eastern Front was a war against communism. The slavs were not seen as untermensch because they were slav, but because they were communist. Stop lying and strawmanning. In fact, I think you're not even doing that. You're just spouting jew historical narrative memes.
>Albert Gorter, a prominent minister official gave the definition of Aryan as: The Aryans (also Indo-Germans, Japhetiten) are one of the three branches of the Caucasian (white race);they are divided into the western (European), that is the German, Roman, Greek, Slav, Lett, Celt [and] Albanesen, and the eastern (Asiatic) Aryans, that is the Indian (Hindu) and Iranian (Persian, Afghan, Armenian, Georgian, Kurd). Non-Aryans are therefore: 1. the members of two other races, namely the Mongolian (yellow) and the Negroid (black) races; 2. the members of the two other branches of the Caucasian race, namely the Semites (Jews, Arabs) and Hamites (Berbers). The Finns and the Hungarians belong to the Mongoloid race; but it is hardly the intention of the law to treat them as non-Aryans. Thus . . . the non-Jewish members of the European Volk are Aryans. . . .
>/pol/ falling for the alt right meme
>/pol/ getting subverted hard
Okay kiddies lesson time
The alt right does not mean white nationalist
It does not mean libertarian
It does not mean any of the fascist, monarchist, whateverist ideologies
It just means people who are right wing and not cuckservatives
Paleoconservatives are all over the alt-right for example
So are ancaps
Throwing out a whole section of the alt-right (which reminder is retarded because you're now creating an alt-alt-right) means absolutely nothing because how do you throw an outcast out of a term that MEANS outcast?
Milo's article and the following aftermath have been hilarious to watch
Delicious subversion
>>69773062
And to be perfectly clear - I know that not all stormfronters are nazi larpers but there's a big portion of them that hangs around those parts of the internet.
>>69773489
>I probably did more than you.
You are such a fucking faggot.
>>69773551
dont make the nazi angry, man, are you crazy??
>>69773551
>Openly fantasizes about starting muh race war, and dying white people
>Calls others faggots.
>>69773513
Adolf Hitler 17 Sept 41: "The Slavs are a mass of born slaves, who feel the need of a master. The Russian space is our India! Like the English, we shall rule this empire with a handful of men. It would be a mistake to claim to educate the natives.. The Slav people are not destined to live a cleanly life.. It's better not to teach them to read. Even to give them a locomotive to drive would be a mistake.. We'll supply the Ukrainians with scarves, glass beads, and everything colonials like."
>>69773448
Because I have nothing against them, see them as natural allies, and am not interested in dividing and conquering for the benefit of semites. Stormfags clearly aren't JIDF plants. That's retarded and refuted by the literal historical existence of an entire nation of fanatical stormfags, nazi Germany.
>>69773489
>Does it ever sting to know that a generation of young shitposters did more for ethnonationalism than you ever did?
Furthermore, what exactly is it that you autistic little sperglords have done, exactly?
You make funny little cartoons and what else?
Tell me what you have personally done for the cause, oh great and mighty shitposter.
here's one for you aussies
"The descendants of the convicts in Australia should inspire in us nothing but a feeling of supreme indifference. If their vitality is not strong enough to enable them to increase at a rate proportionate to the size of the territories they occupy, that is their own look-out, and it is no use their appealing to us for help. For my own part, I have no objection at all to seeing the surplus populations of prolific Asia being drawn, as to a magnet, to their empty spaces. Let them all work out their own salvation! And let me repeat – it is nothing to do with us."
February 7 1945. (Hitler’s Testament)
>>69765604
There is a difference between being a race-realistic nationalist and being a braindead GAS THE KIKES autist. If you tote that nigger motto while you fetishise that dead Austrian failure, you're a LARPer faggot and are effectively acting as a spoiler to the movement.
USEFUL
IDIOTS
Any of you reading this right now, you know who you are. Reflect on these words and understand them. Don't come out of your mother's basement until you get it.
>>69773395
>what have I comprised on?
Youre letting libertarians take over the alt right
The only people pushing for this change are libertarians and libertarian thinkers
>a loose but ethnonationalistic coalition
I disagree from the start
First off there is no coalition
Second off a significant portion of the alt right are just libertarians
This is how you're compromising
Youre letting your views be controlled by a blanket term
There is no movement of the alt right
There's no one to purge from your ranks
All you're doing is trying in vein to pussify your own views for the masses
>>69773807
The only way you will ever be free to be a 'race-realist nationalist' is if we secure our nations to the degree required to allow that.
This is going to require blood in the streets.
Don't come down from your ivory towers until you understand that the white race, and especially white males, are under attack from every angle.
Don't come down until you hear the screaming of your women in the streets
>>69773710
>Tell me what you have personally done for the cause, oh great and mighty shitposter.
>>69773634
Nice source JIDF. Let me guess. He said that in private and there is no corroborating independent evidence.
>>69773866
I actually corrected the anon trying to paint the alt-right as entirely libertarian.
Accepting that there's a diverse coalition to save the West isn't a compromise.
And no, I'm not trying in vain to pussify my own views, I'm recognizing what has and hasn't worked.
14/88 GTKRWN didn't work. George Lincoln Rockwell tried it, I don't want to waste anymore time on it. We won't be successful in any degree if we stick to failed formulas.
>>69773658
They're not allies and they're not neutral. They are actively trying to destroy any attempt at trying to make a positive change for white people and first world countries.
These people have ruined any chance of Right wingers getting elected for the last decade, and now when alt-right is getting momentum and we're getting shit done they are going ''heh, we are the TRUE alt-right. SEIG HEIL! RACE WAR NOW!''.
Are you retarded or are you being paid to post his this shit?
>>69774056
shouldn't you be getting ready for school, m8?
don't pretend you aren't underage
>>69773710
I love this.
>You make funny little cartoons and what else
Sorry, newfriend, you've outed yourself.
>>69773807
Hitler didn't gas any kikes. And neither do most neonazis want to. Gassing is bad mkay.
>USEFUL
>IDIOTS
I just want my country to stay white and refuse to demonise others who want the same thing. You are the one doing the jews' work for them. You're just an mkultra drone brainwashed by school and the media, sent into our midst to reinforce that ideology and divide and conquer.
>>69773658
NatSoc Germans weren't Stormfags, friend. There has been case after case of Stormfags being nothing but FBI shills shilling other shills.
Mosley even hated Stormfags. He called them "political pygmies wearing the uniforms of giants," or something to that effect.
>>69774231
There are literally autistics in this thread spouting that nonsense, are you retarded?
>>69773866
This has to be one of the only places in the world were being a libertarian is a bad thing. I am a libertarian in the sense that I'm the opposite of an authoritarian. I'd rather be a libertarian than a bootlicking, authoritarian piece of shit.
>>69774108
>These people have ruined any chance of Right wingers getting elected for the last decade
No they haven't. Jew media and marxists have. Again. Look. At. Trump. Openly pro-israel. Daughter married to kike. He can't be any more distanced from stormfaggotry. AND YET. Hitler/drumpf memes literally all over social media.
>>69773254
>I've been doing this for a LONG time. I'm older than you, I'd wager, and I've worked for the interests of my race for decades.
>It was my experience with Jews and niggers that made me this way: long ago.
>I never thought of myself as a Nazi, or KKK member. I have always been highly independent.
>>69774108
What you gay boys fail to understand is that we don't give a FUCK about the Right. We give a fuck about the white race. That's it. Everything else is secondary to us.
We are honest about our desire to cleanse our lands. Do you disagree with us? Or are you simply just being dishonest?
Hardcore white nationalists/supremacists have been around for a LONG time. You punk little brats seem to think that you invented it, or something.
But it was guys like me that contributed to the racist character of /b/ and /new/ and /pol/. We liked the 4chan format and stuck around, and I've been converting young minds to my way of thinking about niggers and jews since 2006, on this site alone.
The only reason you little pip squeaks are 'getting anything done' is because 'stormfags' like me have been part of the 'terraforming' of 4chan to make your little 'movement' possible
>>69774340
And again, even moderate fence-sitters don't buy it because we have the element of plausible deniability.
The only people that buy into the "Trump is Hitler" meme are leftists who were never going to be won over anyway.
The minute you openly embrace NatSoc, start defending Hitler and talking like the autist Stormfag in this thread, you lose the element of plausible deniability and turn off moderates.
>>69774257
>shills are a thing
>movements with shills are bad
My dear boy. Pic related. Nowhere is safe.
>>69774427
Dude, you outed yourself as a newfag quite a bit ago, and even now you're admitting in your own fantastic delusion that we're the ones doing the heavy lifting.
Go back to Stormfront.
>>69773157
He's mentioned he believes in the gene stuff/iq stuff a couple times.
>>69774319
Nah. Being a Libertarian will get you shat on in most places that know what it is.
>>69774491
>you outed yourself as a newfag quite a bit ago
wat
>>69774469
I'm not suggesting that Stormfags are bad ONLY because of the shills though. It's just another mark against them, there are plenty more.
>>69774444
So the alt right should stop being alt right and become moderates. Ok. Please go back to red dit now.
>>69774515
>Funny
>little
>cartoons
>>69774516
We are all mere sinners anon.
>>69774584
Yeah, and what else have you done?
>>69774545
Attracting moderates=/=becoming moderates.
Nowhere have I suggested abandoning core values, only purging undesirable elements.
Like this fag:
>>69772234
He's everything you're pretending stormfags aren't.
>>69774491
He's not going anywhere. And neither should he. It is you who are the Other.
>>69774631
I'll have you know that I participated in over 300 Habbo Hotel raids.
>>69774427
You don't have to explain anything to me, FBI. I know what you're trying to do.
>>69774514
That's why I used lowercase 'l'. I'm a civil libertarian.
>>69774709
Have fun synonymizing yourself with that autist, like I mentioned before, he' everything you're pretending the Stormfags aren't.
>>69774687
You don't need to purge WN from the alt right to do that. Because the alt right is not a political movement with a flag and a fuhrer. And there's no way of achieving this even if it were desirable. Which it's not. WN IS the alt right. And no amount of JIDF/shitskin crying that they can't be part of our leet secret clubhouse is going to change that.
>>69774100
I'm saying that it won't do shit
I'll tell you right now though Americans don't care
They already do not associate Nationalism with skin heads and they won't anytime soon
Just sit down and eat your Doritos
Vote for Trump when the time comes and stop being so prissy
You shouldn't be sperging out over a fucking internet term
Literally no one cares
The alt right is far from being mainstream
There's nothing for you to distance yourself from
For fucks sake have you EVER encountered a person (on the web or elsewhere) that has described themselves as alt right?
Stormers don't call themselves alt right
Libertarians don't call themselves it either
Both of them are part of it though
Also I'll tell you the biggest reason why you shouldn't throw the stormers, the 1488s, the racists, etc under the bus
They literally create all of the jokes and memes
Unless you're willing to purge yourself from this site you can't separate from them
>>69774319
I just don't think the alt right should become a term for right leaning libertarian personally
That's fucking retarded
But honestly I don't really give a shit
It's a term and you're not going to magically get rid of Jewish threads on this board by co opting it
>>69774779
I'm not pretending stormfags are or aren't anything. I don't give a fuck what they are or aren't. And I don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks they are or aren't.
>>69773957
Politics is marketing. If you insist on carrying on with this 14/18 shit, you're fucked.
Say you're a mayonaisse company. Your family has developed the best recipe in the world, bar none. However you have never been able to succeed in the dog eat dog world of the mayonaisse business. Your family name, although rich with historical meaning and venerable tradition, is unfortunately 'Niggercum'. The jars, thus, are condemned to sit on the market shelves, neglected, despite the value of their delicious white contents.
>>69774779
What makes me a 'stormfag' oh great and learned elder of /pol/?
White Nationalism and National Segregation is what the the Alt-Right is centered around. Ramz is a fucking sellout. Without WN, the Alt-Right is just an idea-less title
>>69774231
It doesn't matter if he gassed anyone or not you moron. People think he is satan, so being associated with him is bad. How fucking hard is that to understand?
>>69773523
>no one replying to my salient points
God I fucking hate you kids
Youre all what's wrong with /pol/
Every single one of you
>>69774870
His jew-coloured spectacles.
>>69774862
You're right, though.
>>69774285
It's true. Hitler put Jews into camps as indentured servants to fuel the war machine, but he never gassed or roasted anybody.
>>69774908
So fucking what. Don't be alt right then. You're an establishment cuckservative and don't belong here.
>>69774911
(you) are right
