I hope all you berniecucks who vote for him understand that your taxes will make my life even fucking harder.
>>69752266
You deserve it bourgeois pig xD
>>69752266
people who vote for bernie dont have jobs and never have filed their tax returns
>>69752266
>Taking vacations when you have debt
>3k in cloths per year
>Living where property taxes are that high
>$5k in kids lessons of shit they will never use once you stop paying
you did this to yourself
>>69752266
Ahha, take THAT you worthless pig! Made your way up to the top, now we'll take you down to our level
>>69752538
>pays $54,000 in taxes
>its his fault
fuck you communist faggot
poor piece of shit get a job
>>69752266
>TWO vacations a year
>charity
>just getting by
Entitled cunt
>car payment 6000
>not driving a truck you bought with no engine for 500 dollars and dropping a 327 Chevy in it that you found for 600 dollars
>>69752266
All those numbers are fucking fake. But anyone suggesting taxes go up is a fucking retard.
You need to be a massive corporation to hire people at this point, because small businesses are being strangled to death by existing government interference. Bernie's proposal is to strangle the big businesses to death so everything will be free.
Trump's proposal is no national income tax for people with low income. Trump's plan would elevate people out of poverty while Sanders' plan would bring more people into poverty so they can keep voting for socialism. Clinton has no plan, Cruz is just echoing whatever Trump says about proposals plus whatever Fox News says about Trump.
>>69752550
AND THEN WE'LL MAKE OUR WAY TO THE TOP, and then we'll probably change everything back to normal so we don't end up getting screwed over.
>>69752266
>Part of 'Just get by' includes 2 holidays of four grand apiece
Nah m8, you can fuck off.
What the fuck do you eat?
Do you get food stamps at 200k?
>>69752719
>The government is killing small business through meddling
>Not 'The government is killing small business through not stopping large companies fucking with small businesses'
C'mon man, get it right.
Wahhhhh wahhhhh mememememememeeeeeee! FUCK THE COUNTY, WHAT ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEE?
also
> how will I get by on 200k a yeaaaaaar?
kill yourself.
>>69752719
Name a single regulation that is stifling small business, please.
Fuck this kike.
Also note that he would "only" charge me 10k instead of 15k if I were unmarried and childless.
That means this marxist piece of shit encourages white people not to have children through economic policies.
>>69752622
Pay your taxes, you fucking bum!
>>69752735
>how to spend the hundred thousand you're left with from your government salary, after captain bernie claims his share
Current taxes would take more than that. It's the perfect system for ensuring only the elite can have nice things - that kind of salary belongs to either a successful small businessman or an Outer Party bureaucrat. Either way, the government is going to take more than half because you're not high-ranking enough to start claiming major exemptions.
>>69753068
the economist said that trumps tax plan is imppsible? is that webstite run by his campaign?
>>69753068
>people still believe this tax "calculator" made by Ezra Klein
>>69752735
Gee I'm so fucking sorry that I like to get away once in a fucking while from fucking everything. These fucking vacations are the only thing keeping me from alcoholism.
>12,000 in food
what the fuck is wrong with you? Do you not know how to cook? I can buy under $200 in groceries a month easily.
>>69753031
The print shop where I used to work had to pay thousands a year for a license to use ink, because air pollution. We sold business cards for a few dollars a stack, or fliers likewise, or stacks of posters for a few cents per piece if you're a big spender.
The government takes its share of your money, then takes its second share, then its third share and so on. Sprawling factory complexes probably payed the exact same dollar amount to these shakedown artists as this apartment-sized print shop did.
It's not about the $10 you pay at any one moment. It's the fact that you're expected to pay this amount thousands of times just for the privilege of selling your services to customers.
>>69752266
Only your fault you are a retard with money
>>69752266
>$18k to 401k
>hard
Kill yourself
>>69752622
No one is really saying this is his fault...
I'm voting Trump since it would benefit me more, but saying this guy is struggling is pretty bullshit.. I live off way less that what he makes.
ffs 8k on vacations? I only make 24k a year 40 hours a week filling trailers in shitty conditions. I spent less than 100 dollars on new clothes too.
Look this guy is not living within his own means and should seriously budget his money better to save, bringing this up has got to be a shitpost.
>24000 on one child
>giving 2000 away
>6000 left over
"just geting by"
>>69753348
Still, go fuck yourself. Your entitled whining isn't appreciated.
>>69752538
>responding to bait
I'm ready for a real revolution senpai. The people that started this country started killing redcoats over less injustice than what we suffer today. People like Bernie Sanders represent everything that is wrong with America. This is not a free country. This is an oppressive regime and we are the cattle who feed it.
>>69753348
Fuck you, I don't take any fucking vacations and work all year, only solace I get is on weekends you piece of shit, learn to enjoy life on its own merits instead of spending a bunch of money on lavish vacations you spoiled brat.
>>69753446
It's a strawman.
The thing to know about a strawman is that it is not actually somebody's argument. It is a deliberate corruption of somebody's argument, to make somebody ELSE'S argument look stronger by contrast.
>how angry children and their drunk parents argue
>>69752266
>NEETs, niggers, Mexicans, and social rejects suckle at the teet of the DNC sow; and are later reaped for their votes
>the GOP leadership makes life cushy for the globalist elites and Jewish bankers, so they can sell labor, resources, and our future to China and PooInLooistan
>meanwhile, the nationalist middle-class gets fucked from both ends like a brown elf princess in an orc rape dungeon
This is why Trump is on the rise. He's nationalist as fuck, and supports tarriffs and a progressive tax, which allows the middle-class and small businesses to compete; whithout going full commie and taxing every decent person so Jose and Maria can shit-out 16 future drug dealers and feed them on EBT; or trying to shame white males and promote 4th-wave feminism.
>I drive a car that costs me 6k a year
>I take 8k worth of vacations every year
>Gas: $4800 - top kek
>I spend 3k on fucking clothes
>I spend 3k on my fucking credit card debt because I accumulated that debt because I'm a retard but somehow I have a job that earns me 200k
>I'm complaining about only saving <6k a year
If you can't put away more than 6k a year on 200k salary you're living beyond your means.
Not even a bernie cuck, I stump for Trump and raising taxes on this man even if he took away 100k in savings each year would be fucking wrong.
Learn to budget and get a smaller house faggot. Pay off your debt and eliminate that part of the budget. Stop giving money to the auto Jew. Lease a Cruze for 150 a month
>>69753353
It's called eating out. Some people enjoy quality food.
>>69752266
>Consumer Debt
> aka not paying credit cards in full each month
>Thousands in clothing
>700k house
>two 4k vacations
>6k car payments
>18k yearly retirement
>2k charity
>"I cant afford any cuts in muh budget!!"
>>69752266
>tfw vacations a year for 8k
>clothes 5k
>"miscallenaeous" 3k
>consumer debt
>buying a house with that high property tax
>giving 2k away in charity
>buying an expensive car with that salary
>>69753705
>making excuses for not knowing how to cook, one of the most basic things every human should know, right up there with breathing and walking
>going to shitty restaurants with sub par service
>the food is most likely bought in bulk and kept in cardboard boxes in freezers to be microwaved up later
>paying way more than you should for the "service" when you can make the same dish for less and will be infinitely better
>>69752538
>not buying loubs at 2k a pair
pleb
>>69753644
He's actually saving 24k a year, since 18k is going to his retirement account,
That's over 10% of his income that he is saving even if you DON'T factor in him being retarded.
>>69752266
>has a child blames others
ya go fuck your self enjoy your 500k hole you created for your self
>>69753729
---> >>69753618
OP's image is bullshit-with-numbers supplied by a closet Hillary supporter.
This should not be interpreted to mean that taxes aren't too high presently. Present taxes will take a hell of a lot more than 30% of 200k, iPad communists with no jobs are pretending $200k means two overseas vacations a year. In California, $200k means $100k for the 'public' and $50k for you. The other $50k? Fuck knows.
Then consumption taxes are through the roof like the rest of the world outside of US, so good luck getting much out of the petroleum engineering degree you earned while your drunk buddies were majoring in Women's Studies and Psychology.
That is, without leaving California.
This is the problem with fuck-you levels of taxation.
>>69753705
And you can't cook quality food yourself? Unless you're going to really high class restaurants, I have faith that most of the anons here could make very high quality dishes themselves with a little effort.
>life insurance
literally putting a bounty on your life
>>69752880
Small businesses can't compete when taxes and mandatory insurance goes through the roof; all of which due to govt. policy.
Big corporations are able to buy-off politicians and thus wield the power of the state to crush opposition; it just so happens that like 80% of the "corporatists" you speak of are Democrat bureaucrats who form symbiotic relationships the executive boards. Another occurence is when the state just flat-out threatens a big corporation with fines and lawsuits if they don't let themselves be infiltrated by bureaucrats - at which point the corporation becomes "nationalized" and beholden to the establishment of both parties. See GMC, Shell, and Goldman Sachs for examples.
Did a banker put a gun to your head and force you to agree to that mortgage?
Did the grocery store put a gun to your head and force you to spend that much money?
Did the car dealership put a gun to your head and force you to buy an expensive car?
Did the department store put a gun to your head and force you to spend $5,000 on clothing?
Did those insurance companies put a gun to your head and force you to buy over-priced policies?
>what's left $5,700
That's "barely getting by?" Really? Cry me a fucking river. You have a 401k for your retirement, and you are complaining about putting money into it, really? Most people don't even have a 401k.
>>69752266
nice false flag.
>>69754305
>employers secretly do this in their employees' names, and own the payouts
World sucks; little sense in debating that.
>>69754381
Do you realize you're arguing in favor of the government taking more than 30%? Good job, because in USA they already are unless you live in a state with no income tax.
>You don't DESERVE to travel overseas when you make $200k!
>t. NEET with internet access
>>69754131
Pools in the front yard, eh why not
>>69754631
It's further away from the socialists that way.
>>69754440
if I was rich I'd sue the government for this, spend millions appealing that.
it's bullshit to create incentives to kill people.
i just hate the concept of insurance in general.
>car insurance
if you lose your car just get a beater for a grand, lose the luxury.
also i'm getting real fucking tired of google increasing the work on these captchas. gotta wait while they refresh the stupid pictures
>>69754567
I mean, they deserve it, but the argument is that it's shitty to complain when you're taking two overseas vacations a year while the rest of your country would lucky to get to do that just two times in their entire lifetime.
I've already used up one of mine, and my fucking school had to pay for it. It wasn't a vacation.
>>69752266
I wish I had 8k to spend on two vacations a year
>>69754794
As I said earlier: this isn't actually somebody's argument. This is a perversion of A's argument, to make B's argument look like it holds any weight when it actually doesn't.
Every single one of those numbers is fake. It has nothing to do with an actual 200k/yr household's actual income or expenses. It's just lashing out at the upper-middle, while the upper-upper comes out smelling like a rose same as always.
>>69752538
well, the 36k/yr mortgage should be a dead giveaway. assuming a standard 30yr mortgage, that's what, roughly $1m? not too shabby of a home
>>69752266
A bloo bloo bloo. Suck my dick.
>>69753582
It's not your money to take from him you stupid faggot
>>69752266
What a fucking baby. Be on top of the world, literally among the 1% of the 1% globally and you piss your fucking money away like some schmuck
It's like a fucking Gypsy came into a 200k a year job and feels entitled to ever more despite his Gypsy ways. It seems like the further you go up the wage ladder the more people tend to be entitled and retarded fucking babies and it's proven in the living world as society grows sicker and a devolution occurs around us.
You're the pigs that are gonna get eaten when things go to shit.
>>69753432
he really was one hairy motherfucker, eh? god damn that arm hair
>>69754131
I disagree - present taxes take out a lot less than the actual 28% federal taxes due to things like the standard deduction (x3 for OP image) 15% marginal tax rates on capital gains, untaxed Roth IRA contributions, untaxed income spent on things such as mortgage interest & property taxes etc.
OP's overstates the tax rate of a person making 200k.
Now considering state taxes for California, you're only paying about 7% on that 200k. I agree that the image is bullshit-with-numbers, but so are your figures.
They ought to close loopholes so that people pay actual amounts in line with the tax brackets and not a lot less.
>>69752266
Manage your money better you slob
>>69754967
This figure assumes it's a Southern California mcmansion, bought during the bubble on a shorter-term mortgage.
>known a government bureaucrat who bought 7 of these homes during the bubble
>on public salary
>being the 2nd-in-command of a ghetto school district
>all these direct responses to OP's shitpost
This has to be a pissblaster with proxies.
>>69755017
Depends, we do not know how did he earn them.
>>69755181
we're doing math and shitting around, quit complaining and join in.
>>69755057
>>69755057
Deductions are a crap shoot. Some people pay zero taxes, some people pay and then pay and then pay.
The ones in the upper-middle aren't the ones paying zero. Bernie just wants you to despise this segment of society with all of your energy, so nobody will pay any attention to the ultra-elites being sheltered by government. If the elites feel any pain then they'll just leave and resettle in another country, like the people who left France for Russia.
>>69752266
all this money fucking wasted , no really how do you do to pay 4.800$ worth of gas ? no REALLY ?
i make like 20.000 km by year and don't even have to spend half of this on gas.
12.000$ worth of food ? wtf ? are you a nigger with 20 children ? or do you only go to 3 stars restaurant every time you're hungry ?
not even going to talk about the rest , this is not how do you spend money but how do you waste it.
>>69755025
a nigger does not deserve a white man's money, neither does a middle class man deserve a rich man's money.
this is why people WANT to like natsoc but can't.
>>69752266
>2 vacations a year
opinion discarded
you obviously have no idea what its like to be broke as fuck
>>69755666
everyone should be poor and stupid just because you are?
I'll say it once again. I WANT to like natsoc, but natsoc is just a mechanism for people like you to act like niggers. fuck off. he spends his money however he wants. he always pays 30+%. go die.
>>69753348
walk the the fucking park lmao
>>69752266
>36k mortgage
>6k car payment
>two vacations a year
You are living quite well. I feel no sympathy for you.
>two vacations a year $8000
people who are "just getting by" can not afford to take 2 $4000 vacations
>car payment $6000
this means you bought a brand new car, which people "just getting by" do not do.
>charity $2000
deduct it out of your taxes you fuck
>consumer debt $3000
sounds like you're still buying toys, you'd think you'd be more thrifty if you're "just getting by"
holy fuck that image made me physically angry
>>69756031
You're no different than a nigger that robs people.
>>69755362
The problem with Bernie is that he will enable NEETs.
If you're not motivated to be a productive member of society than you can suffer.
It's like the NEETs want to have a solid lifestyle without having to give anything back, even after they use up public $$$ just through the existence of public infrastructure. That is not enough though, they want universal guaranteed income (aka the leaf-toronto)
Bring Trump into the picture, and those ultra-elites will feel the vice of restricted access to America's consumer market.
>>69752266
>people whining about the property tax
I remember my parents property tax on long island was 12k a year and that was 15 years ago. Your flyover states have low property taxes because they are shit with no infrastructure.
Bernie is going to completely fuck the middle class out of existence.
>>69755227
Still his money
>>69752266
If Bernie is elected, there will be no need to have charities any more.
So you can add that $2,000 to your "what's left".
>>69752266
I can see at least four areas on that budget where you could cut down, and as a result have more money.
I mean, you are a three person family: you, your wife, and your son/daughter, and you are living in a $700,000 home? Are you insane? Plus, Children's lessons for $5,000 a year? You have one child, that's almost $500 a month! When I was taking music lessons, it wasn't even $100 a month for a lesson every single week! Either do that shit at home, or find someone who charges less! And you're sending money to charity? At almost $200 a month? WHY!? IF YOU ARE BARELY MAKING IT THROUGH THE YEAR THEN WHY ARE YOU SENDING MONEY TO CHARITY YOU INCOMPETENT NIMBY!? Not to mention your two vacations a year. What possible reason could you have for spending $4,000 dollars on a vacation TWICE a year if this is that hard for you? Stay at home! Do things in your area! Play paintball with your kid, go hunting, teach him/her how to do something cool. Don't go down to Florida or the Keys or Cuckifornia or whatever. Not to mention your food budget. Jesus christ, $12,000 a year? When my mother was raising three kids, two of whom (including myself) were athletes, we never spent more than $400 a month, and that was only during busy times. You're spending $1,000 a month on food. WHY!? ARE YOU EATING CAVIAR OR SOMETHING!? DO YOU FINISH OFF YOUR WEEK WITH KOBE BEEF!? Cut down your fucking budget.
And where the FUCK is the investment on this? You make 200k a year, how are you not putting ANY of it in the stock market. Do you WANT to go broke? Do you have zero ambition? You have to invest or save what's made at the end of the year, it should be fucking MANDATORY!
Jesus christ, you complain about Bernie, but having zero investment, this much wasted expenditure, and all that else, I can't even believe you're not broke already. How have you had this little competence and experience with managing money!? Did you grow up in the 'hood or something!? ARE YOU A RICH NIGGER!?
>>69752400
voted for bernie, can confirm
>>69756608
This is america.
He can waste his money how he wants to.
That being said, his savings percent is too low.
>>69756608
Confirmed for living in a flyover state, EVERYTHING is more expensive when you live close to a major city because you want a better salary.
It's only me and my gf and we live in basically a 2 1/2 bedroom one bathroom house that's worth 600k USD with about 10k USD in property taxes.
Not to mention our almost 4k USD train tickets annually to commute to London.
Even though we are technically in London and it's only 20 mins to be in the centre.
We can't afford to live in the centre of London because multi-millionaire foreign nationals have driven the average native out of the housing market.
>>69752266
>>69756608
More because I'm not done thoroughly lambasting you, you cheese-eating, money burning nincompoop.
Your total leftover at the end of the year is $5,700, ja? Well, let's do some work on that. Staying local or limiting your budget for hotels, let's cut your vacation budget by 3/4 down to $2,000 dollars. A savings of $6,000. Let's add to that the cut-down in your food budget. Cut out the filet mignon and swordfish, and we can bring you down from $12,000 a year ($1,000 a month) to $3,600 a year ($300 a month). Cut out the charity because you clearly can't afford it, and we get another $2,000 in spending. Cutting down Children's lessons to $1,200 ($100 a month) gives us $3,800 in more money to spend. Given that, we get a yield of...
*Drum roll*
$25,900 at the end of year for spending money, or the equivalent of $2,158.33 per month (approximately). Now, presumably you are not completely fucking retarded and will invest some of this: good. This should immediately go to paying off that retarded "Consumer debt" you still have, because there is literally no reason to have that and you should be ashamed that you are AT ALL in-debt with a 200k income through any source other than your mortgage. Now, when your consumer debt disappears, you'll now have $28,900 per year to spend, or just over $2,400 per month. THIS IS INVESTED. INVESTED IMMEDIATELY BY AN ADVISER NOT BY YOURSELF. The average ROI for the stock market as a whole is 7%. You would not get this from a bank even if you agreed to let Schlomo Shekelberg from Goldman Sachs anally rape you every week. The rule my grandmother always teaches is this: a third, a third, and a third. One third of your annual returns goes to short term expenditures like toys and video games. One third goes to long term expenditures like improvements on the house. One third is invested. At your year-end return you have about $9,600 to invest.
>>69757736
I live in southern fuckin' Maine. You couldn't get higher property taxes than where I live without moving to fuckin' New York City. My mum raised three kids on an annual income of about 48k, we very rarely had budget worries.
>>69756543
Great. I'm sure that extra $2,000 will totally make up for the additional $50,000 he'll be paying in taxes.
>>69757736
>EVERYTHING is more expensive when you live close to a major city because you want a better salary.
Exactly. People want a better salary (since it's also a status symbol in the USA) but everything costs more (especially rent) so you wind up not making as much as you think.
People need to start basing their finances off what percentage of their income is taken up by basic costs rather than their overall salary.
In the end your higher salary get's eaten up by higher costs of living, rather than being able to spend it on luxuries/lifestyle.
Hell, I know programmers/coders that work for Microsoft that still have to live on Ramen and Kool Aid since the cost of living is so ridiculously expensive in the Seattle area.
>>69757764
>>69752266
Still not done. Now, let's suppose you, like a COMPETENT little baboon, invest that $9,600. Congratulations, your annual income inflates by about $670 every year if you count capital gains. Eventually, once the capital gains tax limit is reached, you can start withdrawing that money and reinvesting it in cheaper stocks with equal or better chances of going up. Within 10-20 years, you have a decent capital gains income which can be transferred to your then hopefully still ONE child, ensuring that they have decent financial protection for their life. Even better, make sure your child gets a career in a profitable field. I don't care if my kid goes into science or business or engineering so long as he's competent, but if he wants to go into music he practices every single day and tries out for every single competition and gets the best tutor I can get, even if it's decently expensive, because that is the only way to make music a profitable career. Art, history, "women's studies" are all absolute no-no's. If he loves it he can get a well-paying job and come back to study it, but he's not going to get a degree in a field he has no chance of making money in.
You make sure that your kid understands these financial principles, and that you help him through his life with plenty of advice and support, and congratulations: you have formed a successful family line. Within two-three generations your family will have built up a strong enough network that they could make a play for becoming upper-class, or at least upper-middle class.
>>69758637
That's funny, I currently have £30,000 invested in low risk investments and I stand to gain about £1500 after this shitty gear.
>>69753582
It's not your money to take from him you stupid faggot
>>69758856
Well one, you are a crumpet snorting, tea huffing piece-of-shit, but two my statistic for this came from a long-term average, so you do have a fair point. THAT SAID, usually the booms make up for the busts, so more likely than not we'll have a period where it's above 7% for a while.
>>69752266
>just get by
>2 vacations per year
yea. that's not what "just getting by" means. I make about $25,000/year and I do a lot better than "just get by"
>>69752266
People need to stop living way above their means. For example, there is literally no reason for a $36,000 home mortgage payment. At $3000 a month, you will definitely be living in a minimum 4br/2 ba/2 car garage unless you live in some shitty city.
>>69753256
Every media outlet is blatantly disregarding the fact that Trump's tax plan eliminates almost all subsidies, exemptions, and deductions, which leaves the actual retained tax income more or less in line with what we have now.
Instead of collecting $4 trillion and giving $1 trillion back (most of it to people making more than $200,000 a year), Trump wants to just take in $3 trillion in the first place.
