Economically speaking , if you don't make over 250k you have no business voting Republican
>>69716210
You keep spouting that meme and it gets you nowhere.
Poor whites know what it's like to be poor. They wouldn't wish that on anyone else.
If you understand basic economics you have no business voting Democrat.
>>69716210
Because whites are already heavily invested in America
>Why wont people selfishly vote for their own short-term interests at the expense of the country
Not everyone is a libcuck m8
>>69716210
This isn't the first time I've seen this thread and Christ knows it WILL NOT be the last.
>>69716210
I'm willing to take a hit for my country and my children.
Unlike /some/ people who would rather fuck everyone else for their own personal gain while calling those who have to clean up after them "lazy."
I thought whites didnt know what it's like to be poor?
>>69716210
because everybody trying to live at the expense of everybody else is not in our interests
Trump will lower my taxes to $0. Sanders will hike them up, as well as destroy the economy.
>>69716210
>You actually think picking a party would help the US
Mike Hodd people are optimistic.
>>69716210
There are behaviors incentivized by the expansion of the welfare state that have made things overall worse for poor people while greater freedom in the markets would create more opportunities for talented poor people to become successful.
>>69716354
Came here to post this.
We haven't resigned ourselves to failure. We still have hope and know hard work and commitment will give us good quality of life. Fuck your handouts you pussy
>>69716210
Aren't white people Bernie's biggest base? It's blacks who are rejecting him in droves.
Wouldn't the dosh go on poor nignogs anyway? You would need to pay more taxes and never see anything in return.
>>69717355
this I will never understand. He's willing to give blacks free handouts.
>>69716210
Besides Fox News, there is literally nothing wrong with anything in that pic.
>>69716210
>dont go to college
>for some reason i should be forced to pay for some other asshole's liberal arts degree
Fuck off.
>>69716312
It's not actually a meme, supply side memes (aka corporate collusion) have absolutely gutted your nation, and you will never recover from it without a radical technological paradigm shift that you actually capitalize upon.
The only false part is that there's actually any other choice to vote for. Hillary is also a neo-con whose policy contrasts are purely cosmetic.
It's the same thing all over the western world, where all parties have been co-opted in full.
Like in my own country, people sperg about how Justin is a leftist radical ect ect, but at the end of the day, he still supports neo-conservatism. He tweaks the numbers a bit, a slight rollback to early 00 levels, and calls that anti-austerity. But it's not. Our markets, like yours are now, and would be under the the Gop or the Dems are wide open for exploitation, while the value of domestic labour continues to plummet, and actors such as China are free to manipulate their currency and domestic policies (while maintaining their own robust VAT's) to create situations that it's impossible to compete with unless comprehensive tariffs are put into place to protect lucrative markets that should be a privileged to access, as they are maintained by the commons.
Pretty much the only potential mainstream break in this long march to a service economy for the entire west has been Trump, but he's only paid lip service, and delivered nothing substantial whatsoever, so I wouldn't hold your breath. He can't actually "you're fired" his way out of 45 years of treaties and agreements, not without completely destroying the concept of the US being an entity that it is safe to enter into agreements with. Which is a suicidal position for a nation to be in that relies upon fiat currency, and situations such as the petrodollar.
I work at a factory, if businesses do well they will have to hire more workers. If more workers have jobs the price of labor becomes more competitive. If this happens I may be able to jump ship for better wages or have a better chance at a raise.
How is this not in my best interest?
>>69717355
Uneducated people tend to vote for the most famous name in the race and Bill Clinton once played a sweet sax solo on the Arsenio Hall show.
Can't believe no has posted this yet.
>>69716210
Why do liberals think all Christians are white? Most niggers and spics are Christian and have the same fucking religious beliefs
Fucking idiots
>>69716210
Because unlike black/minorities, white people actually care for other people. So, they vote in favor of ALL people, instead of voting for their own self interest. They also know that their short comings is because they're lazy, or they haven't tried to advance, while blacks/minorities like to blame all their short comings on the white man.
>>69717695
that's a whole lot of reddit in one post
>>69718018
>in favor of all people
>kick out illegals and stop muslims from immigrating
>>69716210
This picture is fucking retarded. I don't even like pizza rolls, my mom buys them for me all the time even though she can't get it thru her thick fucking skull that I hate these things. At least get me hot pockets if you're going to get breaded cheese pockets yet the cunt still buys pizza rolls and I'm forced to eat them when there's no other food in the fridge.
Fuck you OP you libcuck faggot
>>69718141
Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with all those hot opinions
>>69718161
why do you want illegals and muslims?
If you can't find a job where you make at least 9 bucks an hour you're just fucking worthless.
If you make at least 9 bucks an hour you can easily live in an 800 a month apartment as long as you abide by a budget and don't waste all your money on drugs, you dirty dirty hippies.
You shouldn't be supporting yourself with a low wage job like that, they are meant for teenagers.
>>69718161
Nationalism is better than internationalism, in fact in the long term it's better for the entire world.
>>69716210
Why is voting for a party that literally says that it wants to destroy your group's privilege in your interest?
>>69716210
>That pic
They probably don't want to vote for someone who hates their race. The democrats care as much about poor whites as republicans do, but at least republicans don't openly despise white people to get the minority vote.
Any white person who votes left is a masochist, indiscriminate of income.
>>69716210
>Why do poor / Middle class conservashits vote against their own interests?
Because the amount of unresolved daddy issues they have is larger than their bank accounts.
>>69717579
They already have free hand outs? Lol why would they want to share? Where you been leddit
>>69716210
>if you white you don't know what it's like to be poor
>ABLOO ABLOO ABLOO WHY WONT THOSE POOR WHITE'S VOTE FOR BERNIE
can't think where the disconnect was
>>69717579
Black people already get free college
they dont give a fuck
>>69717695
NeoCon is more about foreign policy and "democracy promotion" pls stop misusing it.
>>69716210
Because they have enough integrity to refuse bribes of gidmedats and are smart enough to know it won't solve anything.
>>69718161
Kicking out illegals with criminal records is more likely to happen since Trump said he would allow those without criminal records back in. Also, Obama stopped Iraqi refugees to migrate here in 2011 after finding out terrorist infiltrated those refugees in order to get into the US. Trump is simply proposing the same thing Obama executed in 2011, in order to strengthen security proceedings, then he will cancel the ban. When I said all people, I was talking about United States citizens, where all people include black, white, mexican, muslim, etc, etc, who are legally in the United States,
>>69716354
>their own short-term interests at the expense of the country
republicans only care for rich people, banks, jews and wallstreet. tell me one republican policy for middle/lower class and homeless people?
>>69716210
Why do liberals ape that trope still? >>69716210
>>69716883
I'm okay with paying for programs to help people. People with the mentality that program X is useless because they don't personally benefit from it are the leeches of society.
>>69716210
Socialism eradicates the middle class, and breeds failure; only sustained off of the hard work of others, not benefited by socialism.
>>69718899
Trump's tax plan
Its quite simple anon...
We can use Reaganomics as a model.
The reduction of socialist programs which are currently in place would see a staggering reduction in taxes.
This reduction in taxes would mean people have more green in their pocket and they're willing to spend it.
As there is a rise in a demand, the supply will rise as a result.
Businesses require employees to produce the goods they wish to sell, and this rise in employment will increase the fluctuation of money."
This money will begin to increase in value as a result of market prosperity.
And therefore people will be able to finally live comfortably with the minimum wage which is already set, since increasing the minimum wage would result in inflation and an increase on the cost of living as well as companies laying off workers and maybe even industrializing to ensure higher profit.
In regards to health, universal health care would force insurance companies to find other methods of making money since they profit from health services, and the accessibility to free healthcare would drop their profit margins and insurance premiums would go up as a result.
In general services and products tend to deteriorate in quality with governmental economic intervention, due to the idea of meeting needs instead of demands.
People are poor because the vote for socialist principles instead of conserving our capitalist system.
>>69716210
No thanks. I already pay too much in taxes. Explain why social security and Medicaid need to absorb 15% of what I make when I don't use either and I'm never going to collect either anyway.
Fuck taxes at any level.
because most 'poor' americans aren't actually eligible for welfare. the ones that are will vote if they think it will help them, but some others only use it temporarily and so will still vote for whatever party they agree with on other issues
>>69718899
Deportation of immigrants and the blocking of h1b visas. Labor/wages follows the laws of supply and demand like everything else.
>act extremely condescendingly and outright insult poor people
>"why do they not want to vote for the same candidate as me?"
>>69716210
>Voting for a Jew
>in white people's interest
You must be new here.
>>69716354
This. I have income and I have principles and they're not the same thing, OP.
>>69718899
giving money to poor people doesn't help them
just look at the complete disaster that is welfare, section 8 housing etc.
black families have been destroyed by the welfare state
>>69717695
Leaf faggot start working at a factory at competetive labour prices and then report back about muh unfair global economy.
Bernie's payroll taxes will kill employment, so will his refusal to deport illegals when he raises the minimum wage
The only presidential candidate advocating a coherent plan to help poor people who actually (want to) work and aren't career college students is Trump
>>69716210
>lol IDIOTS who believe in Jesus and enjoy pizza rolls dont wanna vote for muh gibsmedat
>>69716883
This is just PROPOSED tax plan savings, which anyone could look into for 45 seconds before realizing both Trump's and Cruz's plans are hella impossible
>>69716210
A 90% tax wouldn't help anyone except the socialist himself
>>69718899
Eliminating the minimum wage would decrease the capital requirements for starting a new business, simplifying regulation would help small businesses compete with large businesses, removing cash payments to single mothers would reduce the number of unwanted children that go on to commit serious crimes, less inflationary central banking would help people who have more money in savings than stocks, etc...
>>69718899
Both only care about jews, my kebabish friend. Except Trump.
MAGA
I'm relatively poor, work for all my own money, and have little after taxes and everything else, and Bernie's policies would have me paying a few thousand more dollars in tax every year
>>69716210
>mfw I only make 50K
>mfw Trump's plan will reduce my taxes by $3,600 per year
>mfw Bernie's will cost me an extra $5,430 per year
Yeah, I'd rather lose an extra five thousand fucking dollars, you're right! It's only the super rich that benefit from taxes! lol, I'm so stupid and uneducated!
>but healthcare be free
I DON'T FUCKING NEED HEALTH INSURANCE, AND SURE AS HELL DON'T WANT TO SPEND AN EXTRA FIVE FUCKING GRAND PER YEAR FOR IT. THAT'S RENT MONEY/SAVINGS/WHATEVER THE FUCK ELSE I WANT TO SPEND IT ON. STOP THINKING YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I DO WHAT TO DO WITH MY FUCKING MONEY.
>>69716210
This may surprise you, but there are people who think beyond what's best for themselves.
That's the whole big secret of why Trump is so successful. He's found a way to cuck the poor white population more effectively than the establishment.
Its like how he was against abortion and then is now saying "but the laws the law". Why do you think he's doing that for abortion, but is gonna be real strong on other issues that have already been ruled on, like say...Obamacare?
He's cucking you. That's what's happening. He's a liar and a salesman and you're being sold Trump. But fortunately he's going to get ultracucked in the general so meh. (Although he might get cucked for the nomination)
One question. Do any of you know how delegates for the national convention are picked? I'm a campaign manager for a down-ballot democratic campaign. We've been selecting delegates the past month to go to our state convention, where they will then select the delegates sent to the national convention.
These delegates aren't exactly going to be pro-trump. They aren't the "new votes" being brought into the process. They are the people who have attended select board and town meetings, who know the names of all of their city councilors or their school board. They're establishment. And they have a shit ton of power that most people don't realize, and they all hate Trump.
They are legally bound to cast their first ballot for trump, presuming that they are trump delegates. But they aren't legally bound to try to do things like vote to unbind themselves on the first ballot during their rules and credentials committees. The democratic delegates tried to do that against Jimmy Carter in 1980.
Those same delegates can (and will) challenge the credentials of individual elections. This is where the red tape and bureaucracy kicks in to try to stop Trump. Trump will not be the nominee.
Of course, if he is i'll be ecstatic. You people are eagerly cheering on your own defeat, and the loss of anyone on the R side of things who doesn't forcefully disassociate with Trump during the general
>>69716210
>>69716210
But poor people will be worse off with bernie
>>69720344
INCREASINGLY
>>69716210
In every way of speaking, you're wrong. The only people who vote democrat (the only other legitimate chance of winning) want the state to tell them how to win.
Stop thinking that you can have money without hooks. Everything has a hook.
>>69716210
>I'll vote bernie because I don't give a fuck about the consequences I just want free shit because I'm worthless and poor
>>69716210
>Why do poor / Middle class vote
dunno
they want to think they matter maybe
left liberals are just as mystified by ideology as right liberals
i mean, seriously, haven't you guys stopped to wonder *why* politics exists in the first place? if it were true that your the policies you favor were objectively the best, evidence based, etc, then *why* does it seem that ideology is split between fundamentally opposing worldviews?
it's stupid to believe that people disagree with you because they're stupid, ignorant, misinformed, duped, etc. if a person can't face why politics exists in the first place, how could they possibly expect others to "get it"?
>>69720344
Shit, google "faithless delegates" those are a thing. Blatantly undemocratic, but there isn't an enforcement arm already in place.
Real talk. If Trump doesn't get well past the majority of delegates, he's gonna have a ton of trouble getting the nomination. He has zero local ground game.
Like, none. Ted cruz has been focusing at the grassroots level for a while. Even Kasich has some people. But Ted Cruz has been actively courting the people who end up delegates for some time.
That's the other thing. It's a primary. So for lots of these small town Town Caucuses where they nominate delegates, they don't even have enough people for all their delegates. So if Ted Cruz stuffs the local meetings with his people (as he has done so) he can have an entire town's delegation as Cruz people.
And then that town goes to the state convention where other towns with Cruz people and them all get together and nominate their national delegates.
The game isn't rigged, even if it feels like it is. You just literally haven't been playing it.
Economically speaking, if you make over 250k and the chances of seeing Bernie get into office are high enough, I strongly urge you to renounce your US Citizenship and leave the USSA to collapse under its own collectivism.
>>69720891
Lots of people have spent lots of time discussing and writing about politics and it's origins, and it's causes.
You sound like a fedora tipper.
>>69720891
Sometimes outside players fund certain ideologies. Case in point being the Soviets funding leftists liberals in order to destroy the US.
>>69721198
tell me, dude. of those "lots of people" you're referencing, whom do you agree with? why is it you believe politics exists?
>>69716210
Why do libshits in Chicago, Detroit and Baltimore keep voting for democrats who only make their cities more murderous and derelict?
>>69721557
because someone has to govern. That's all politics is.
>>69717695
Canadians such basic bitch redditards. You guys are lagging behind us by 8 years culturally.
Keep lurking nigger, you aren't as smart as you think you are. I am just too tired right now to debunk this stale shit.
>>69716883
With Sander's plan, you have to keep in mind that it would replace private health insurance and pay for college.
>>69716210
>thier own interests
Please tell me what interests are Mr. Statist.
You obviously know what's best for someone else...
I make 75k a year, wife makes 60k a year. Both vote republican.
Suck a nigger dick OP
>>69721822
>someone has to govern.
why? i don't disagree with you that someone has to govern, but this isn't the reason politics exists to begin with.
>>69721936
what do you and your wife do?
It's very much in the interest for the middle class not to have socialist gibsmedats leech off them.
As for the leeches themselves, if they were smart, they would vote libertarian one election, and socialist the next, assuring that money is made in one cycle, and then stealing it in the next.
But if they understood long-term consequences, they probably wouldn't be leeches to begin with.
>>69716210
why do liberals always assume white people will selfishly vote for gib me dats
>>69721040
Who cares? If Cruz steals the nomination despite Trump having more delegates and votes, Trump's supporters won't give a shit about the technical legality of it. They won't vote Cruz, the GOP will see the landslide loss that they threatened would happen under Trump, and the party will splinter as all those angry, poor whites rebel against it. You think they'll be able to shame Trump voters into voting for a Rubio in 4 years? The Republican establishment is in its death throes with no escape in sight, it's going to be exciting no matter what happens.
>>69721962
>but this isn't the reason politics exists to begin with.
It's the literal definition of the term you moron. Someone ends up governing no matter what. Even if it's an anarchy, then everyone governs.
>>69716210
>Why do poor / Middle class conservashits vote against their own interests?
Why do faggots exclusively vote in their own interests?
What's best for the nation is in your own interests.
You greedy faggot.
>>69716354
Spotted the last uncucked brit
>>69716210
http://takimag.com/article/why_democrats_lost_the_redneck_vote_scott_locklin/print#ixzz2zkpZaYYx
>>69716210
Because tradition is more important than wealth. Materialism is a Jewish notion.
>>69716210
If you vote for your own selfish economic interests, you're a faggot. Real men vote for the greater good of their nation.
>>69716210
>why do poor people vote against their interests
>why dont christians realize jesus was against wealth
pick one you brain dead liberal retards
>>69716210
I know it's hard for you to understand, but sometimes people do what they believe is right even if it goes against their self interest.
>>69716210
The short answer is because they are religious, have traditional morals, and have strong ingroup preference.
>>69716210
>bashing the demographic that is in reality of backbone of your campaign
Bernie relies on his favorability among whites as the backbone of his support. Why then do his supporters love bashing white people?
It's a cut and dry case of self-loathing
>>69716210
>this triggers the republican
kek i am voting for trump but this meme makes me laugh
pizza rolls are delicious mayne
>>>69716312
> you will never recover from it without a radical technological paradigm shift that you actually capitalize upon.
> so we need to elect the person most likely to prevent that.
Damb, Leaf back at again.
>>69717695
>supply side economics doesn't work
Another reddit user that does not know anything about economics.
You can't even have an honest conversation about lowering taxes because retards like him will just strawman and cry about muh trickle down meme. If you were to propose lowering EVERY tax bracket's tax rate by 5%, liberals will say that you're only helping the rich because they will save the most money from this. No shit they'll save more, that's how percentages work, but they'll ignore the fact that lower income groups would still play less so they can make epic "tax cuts for the rich" memes.
>>69716210
>Economically speaking , if you don't make over 250k you have no business voting Republican
Economically speaking, you're fucking wrong, shitbird. Point of fact, everyone loses with Sanders plan while Republicans come out as net neutral or net positive: http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan
>>69716210
I'm from the AR delta. It would shock you how much money some of these rednecks have.
>>69716883
>Vox as a source
That website is nothing more than nice info graphics and millennial journalists who think swearing in their otherwise serious pieces makes perfect sense
>Republicans tax you less
>Well at least I have more mo-
>social services DRASTICALLY REDUCED
>Libs tax you more
>free healthcare, weed, and abortions FOR LIFE
>>69716210
>silly Republicans who live in Mexican border states, and the blackest regions of the US, why don't you realize that importing more Mexicans and supporting black NEETs and black nationalism with your tax dollars will help you?
>I mean, fuck, I live in northern Vermont and I have no problem with this. Also, why do you get mad when we shit all over your culture and values?
>>69717882
Why do white people on the left flock to this white-bashing mother fucker?
>>69722480
No offense, but that's dumb. Smart men vote only for the interests of themselves and their bloodline, but they also realize that things like minimum wage have negative consequences on the economy (and in turn, themselves), and the overall destructivness of socialist policies.
>>69722917
>unironically wanting to be forced to pay for services
>unironically wanting to pay more for said services than if you weren't forced to pay for them
Double nigger
>people are supposed to vote for their own interests
I know it sounds intuitive but that's actually a very close-minded way to vote. Even white liberals make an effort to vote in the interest of benefitting blacks.
>>69716210
Bernie would make the working class dependent on hand-outs and decrease their real wages
>>69717695
Arguing against this post is pointless, even if one got the data to refute everypoint in a neat manner, it would still be dismisssed.
>>69723169
Why should you vote for anyone but yourself?
It's democracy, not a cuck-yourself-contest.
>>69722683
because it is a tax cut for the rich you retard.
Lets do some napkin math. Assuming things still cost the same (like fixing roads and paying for government and whatnot), but we still cut revenue, then that means folks lose their jobs, we lose social services, etc.
Compare that to someone who makes 20,000 and a 5% tax cut saves them say, 1,000. Meanwhile that cut saves a millionaire 50,000+
The total coming out of the state's budget is mostly comprised of rich people money. So it's a tax cut for the rich. It the money was mostly coming from poor people, it would be a tax cut for the poor.
>>69716210
Don't you fucking tell me what my God Dammed interests are you fucking piece of shit.
>Big government is not in my best interest.
>Higher taxes are not in my best interest
>Welfare for every nigger and wetback is not in my best interest.
>Bullshit war on drugs is not in my best interest
>Asset forfeiture is not in my best interest
>The Patriot Act is not in my best interest
> .....Shall I continue?
ITT people who think that $250k/year is middle class
>>69722917
Americans pay less overall in their lifetime, and have more buying power than the average European, because of Republicans.
In other words, unless you're a 400-pound nigger with AIDS, paying into social services is a scam.
>Why do poor / Middle class conservashits vote against their own interests?
So you're saying that your socialist vote actually has nothing to do with helping society and only helping yourself.
Yeah.
We already knew that.
Could you cut back on the salt a bit?
No. I meant, on the fries.
>>69723181
>Big Mac Index
>It's cheaper to buy muh burger!!
Big Mac Index is a pretty horrible metric for comparing countries. European countries tend to have much higher standards for food quality.
Not that I like Bernie in any way.
>>69723326
We don't cut tax revenue retard, we cut tax rates. This creates more taxable transactions and tax revenue stays about the same. Tax revenue in the United States has always been ~17% of GNP, give or take a few percentages, regardless of tax rates.
>>69722136
>>69722136
Oh i totally agree. As i said, i'm a democrat. I can't wait for the general.
Shit, it used to be a fucking fantasy that democrats might flip the 30 seats needed for the house. But now it's legitimately doable. The only thing making it tougher is a lack of candidates on the democratic bench.
Tax Rates increase for all cuckbern.
>>69723848
Wow. That won't tank the economy at all.
/s
>>69716210
>>69723848
>Poor people have to pay $1k more
>they get free food and healthcare, ending up with more money
I don't see a problem. God forbid a poor person should be able to go to the hospital if they need to. If they didn't want to be sick, they shouldn't have been born poor!
Liberals wont understand this but some people vote for what is moral, not what benefits them. I could vote for bernie and steal money from rich people and give it to me but that's not right
>>69724119
>ending up with more money
How? Are they allowed to sell the food and healthcare?
>>69720344
helIo reddit
>>69722168
we live in an anarchic world. the state isn't some transcendent thing looming over folks. it's a thing we do. people have property and guns, and force other people to do shit. this is literally the anarchist world people warn that anarchy would lead to.
politics isn't just governance, governance is about mitigating the conflict that is politics. it's about keeping this thing together when it would otherwise fly apart. politics is an ongoing conflict. when you decide to take a 15 minute shit at work every day you work - that's political conflict. everyone has either heard this joke before, made the joke, or actually does it - "never shit on your time, never break a sweat on theirs." this is just an example of how the most simple animal behavior we engage in - taking a shit - can be a political act. politics is a conflict, and that conflict is over wealth
>>69719960
Source?
>>69724119
>free food and healthcare
Anything that's "free" also tends to be of an abysmal quality
Would you rather pay 2.5k in cash to get a doctor to help you immediately or pay 15k in taxes over 10 years only to have the doctor's waiting list be half a year when you do finally need him?
>>69717695
TL;DR
>a fucking leaf
>>69716210
how would Bernie's policy help the poor?
especially compared to Trump making the poor tax free
do these people honestly believe the goverment would help them in anything?
>>69723314
Don't you constantly whine about how blacks vote to get themselves more gibsmedats and don't even think about what's fair or what's best for society as a whole?
Why should THEY vote for any other reason?
>>69724268
>we live in an anarchic world.
No we don't. Almost every country has a central government.
>Bernie Bros so desperate for votes they've come to the door step of pol
You may as well look for testosterone inside the reddit user base.
>>69724286
Works pretty well in europe.
>>69723848
They pay more taxes at 75k than at 100k?
>>69716210
>even though his policies would help me
so bernie opposes affirmative-action and eliminating HUD?
>>69723972
>/s
>>>/reddit/ Ivory Coast
>>69722939
This is so fucking true. Why are southerners racist? Because we're surrounded by the on a daily basis. We know them like so many white liberals never will.
>>69724241
Holy shit you're dumb.
>>69724241
Money saved is money earned, mick.
>>69724286
I don't have 2.5k in cash, so I would rather have some hope of help than being completely doomed.
>>69716210
>throwing around money
>'policies'
>>69719960
Pretty much this
>look im earning 60 grand with my free college education! I would've been 25 grand in debt if I had to take out loans! It would've taken me years to pay all that off!
>pays 5000 a year extra in taxes for the rest of their life
>hahaaa if it weren't for Bernie sanders I might have had to pay $100 a month for health insurance through my employer!
>pays an extra 3000 a year for free health insurance
>>69724410
I don't whine about that, I think they actually SHOULD vote in favor of themselves. At the end of the day, it's your life that you have to live, not somebody else's.
>>69716210
Not your countryan but these people want state that allows them to take care of themselves instead of caring for them.
>>69716210
>voting democrat
>the literal anti-white party
No, any white male who votes democrat is a sackless dolt.
>>69724545
>Money saved is money earned, mick.
That assumes they would have spent more than the grand on the free food and healthcare.
>>69718161
>in favor of all people
>locking up criminals
>>69724516
Libs also try to turn our own women against us.
If the average southern belle became like a west coast bulldyke feminist, I'd probably kill myself.
>b-b-but, why don't you vote for us, we will totally fuck-up your society, but the government will maybe force companies to pay you 20% more! A whole 20%!
>>69723018
They do what they're told. We're taught not to think for ourselves. Out teachers and professors are our masters and the media is gospel.
>>69724641
At the end of the day, it's an established economic trend that welfare reduces SES mobility. Voting for gibs isn't voting for themselves.
>>69724702
$1000 per year is pretty slim pickings for food, that is $83 per month. It is very easy indeed to spend more than $83 dollars per month on food.
Assuming that they don't eat for the entire year, they have $1000 for hospital/doctors visits. I don't think I need to preach to you about how expensive it is to see a doctor here. You're talking 5x that amount just to be seen in the building.
>>69724471
It really doesn't. Insurance isn't free.
>>69724545
>blaming others for not having a rainy day fund
>>69717882
That was a mis-attributed quote. Not even a Bernout but you gotta look into these things my man.
>>69716210
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also sage
>>69724892
Yeah I agree, all those poor Tyrones would be rich now if it weren't for the evil welfare holding them down!
>>69718437
if you need extra money, just ask your friends/family/community for it
don't ask for the goverment to steal money from others
>>69724901
>It really doesn't.
There's been shittonnes of stidies done. European health systems provide better value than the US one. The US system is a clusterfuck.
>Insurance isn't free.
your point?
>>69724921
It isn't, it literally came out of his kike mouth in front of millions of people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IlGoeDIUQ
>>69725013
Why try to go any higher when you can just graze like a sheep on free grass?
The pressure that comes from the threat of financial loss is what motivates 90% of people to get off their ass and do something.
Leftists constantly promoting and encouraging the black culture's own hatred for "the man" (read: whites and responsibility); gives them a nihilistic attitude, which leads them to being welfare bums and criminals
>>69725292
My point is that the taxes in Europe are vastly higher than the ones in the US. We pay for our doctors' bills collectively, the Americans pay for themselves. It's still not free, even if you don't actually feel the cost when you do finally need a doctor.
>>69725605
>It's still not free,
No one has been talking about anything "free". I mean free walk in costs. Everyone fucking knows it's taxed, we voted for the tax and pay for them.
>>69719023
>if you don't give the money you work for to other people you are a leech
>>69725758
If you consider how often you ACTUALLY use those services and the QUALITY of those, you don't get good bang for your buck. Those studies assume you actually use the service often enough to get a return on it. Fact of the matter is, the U.S. has the highest quality of healthcare in the world if you're willing to pay for it. In my lifetime, I will pay far less for healthcare than you will, barring freak accident/low chance illness.
>>69725758
>>69726104
Also you have to realize that the majority of socialized health care systems, including the limited one that the U.S. has now, are either bankrupt or on the verge of bankruptcy. You're literally overpaying for a service you don't even use and your country is going bankrupt over it.
>>69723326
>Reducing the tax rate of every tax bracket is a tax cut only for the rich
Objectively and empirically wrong.
>Meanwhile that cut saves a millionaire 50,000+
No fucking shit, that's how percentages work. That doesn't mean you get to ignore the fact that the person who makes 20,000 had the same percentage tax cut as the millionaire. It's a tax cut for everyone. Quit being a dishonest piece of shit.
http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf
>>69726104
>If you consider how often you ACTUALLY use those services and the QUALITY of those, you don't get good bang for your buck.
Not according to every single study done on these health systems.
>Those studies assume you actually use the service often enough to get a return on it.
No they don't. They are comparing health insurance in the US, with universal healthcare in europe. It's like with like. You could say health insurance is not worth it if you never use it enough to get the money back. But both systems are about managing risk. Otherwise we'd all just pay for healthcare costs up front. Why not.
>>69726228
>either bankrupt or on the verge of bankruptcy.
What european ones are? Ireland actually has one of the worst managed healthcare systems, we get bad value for money. Yet we're the fastest growing economy in europe and have high GDP per capita. It's not like these systems can go bankrupt either. If we run out of money, we cut back on services, like every other part of government expenditure.
>>69716210
If people only did things for self-interest then there would be no people volunteering to join a military
>>69716210
You're kidding right? Everyones taxes will be raised.
>>69726743
You get paid to join the military. You don't "volunteer", you sign up.
>>69723181
The one thing about these comparisons that always gets overlooked is a country like the UK is compared to a US state, yet each US state doesn't have to have the same expenditures the UK has like military, nuclear defence, foreign aid, etc
>>69726999
>yet each US state doesn't have to have the same expenditures the UK has like military, nuclear defence, foreign aid, etc
They do in terms of federal tax right?
>>69726527
>Not according to every single study done on these health systems.
Not true actually. Almost every study shows American quality of healthcare above and beyond any other country on earth. All of the top specialists are here and if they aren't here they come here often enough for it to not matter. They also don't compare HSAs to European healthcare, which means you're effectively cutting out the best healthcare plan.
>No they don't
Yes, they do. It's all about return vs. money spent. Few Americans see their doctor more often than an annual insurance physical. Many Americans don't even go for the latter.
>What european ones are?
Britain. Spain. Greece.
>If we run out of money, we cut back on services, like every other part of government expenditure.
So not only are you spending money on a service you aren't even using, you're spending money on a service that you won't even have access to? You are fucking retarded.
>>69726999
Since state citizens have their taxes pooled collectively on a federal level, they do have those exact same expenditures.
>Talking shit about Pizza Rolls
>>69727106
Pretty much.
>>69727106
>>69727121
Of course, but it's a lot cheaper to fund large scale things like Nuclear weapons, military, bank bail outs, foreign aid, etc when it's collectively shared between 50 states.
>>69716210
>jesus
>blue eyes
>>69727462
Collectively, it costs each state the same proportion as compared to their GDP which means your comparison and continued mental gymnastics means fuck all.
They're tired of being castigated by the left for the colour of their skin.
>>69727106
>>69727121
Imagine the UK was incorporated into the US and could scrap it's military and all it's social insurance policies like health care, national pensions and so on, and instead pay a federal tax. There would be a lot of spare cash left over because these things are more efficient went shared out
>>69727121
>All of the top specialists are here
Agreed. America has the best healthcare available if you have money. But it's consistently worse value for money. 50% worse if i recall. It's probably even worse with obongocare.
>Few Americans see their doctor more often than an annual insurance physical.
Same here. But what do they do if they get cancer or some other shitty condition and have no insurance? They either die of it, suffer a shitty life, can pay for the astronomical costs themselves, or their family carried the burden. Here we prefer to pitch in to fund a universal healthcare system. In Ireland specifically, you can pay for insurance if you want to have access to private hospitals, which many opt for.
>Britain. Spain. Greece.
How is britain's bankrupt? Spain and Greece are just generally bankrupt. Other countries manage it just fine like the UK.
>So not only are you spending money on a service you aren't even using, you're spending money on a service that you won't even have access to?
I've used our national service a few times, but not often. But yes, it's insurance. It's simply to avoid astronomical costs if i have a health crisis, which hopefully never happens. And yes I'll have access to it. Why would I not?
>>69716338
Europe and China do pretty well economically
>>69716210
that is why Trump is winning
/thread
>>69727708
>There would be a lot of spare cash left over because these things are more efficient went shared out
Would there? You'd probably be paying about the same. America has a much bigger military per capita than the UK.
>>69716210
>being this stupid.
>not aspiring to ever earn more than you currently do
>>69727720
>They either die of it, suffer a shitty life, can pay for the astronomical costs themselves, or their family carried the burden
This is actually a common myth. Hospitals actually budget accordingly for such costs and cheap payment plans are frequently set up for those who cannot afford full price. The people who get "fucked" are those that can actually afford it, i.e. those who should pay full fucking price.
>How is britain's bankrupt
NHS has been bankrupt for YEARS
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/633520/NHS-cannot-afford-weekend-24-7-service-doctors-warn
>And yes I'll have access to it. Why would I not?
>Ireland health system goes bankrupt like every other socialized healthcare
>government scales back accordingly
>still pay the same amount in taxes and now have less or no access to the health system for X amount of time
It's almost like you don't understand what is happening to socialized medicine across the globe. 6 month+ wait times for CRITICAL CARE in Canada. Meanwhile I can walk into the hospital at any time of day, they HAVE to serve me AND I can get the price knocked down to something I can afford if necessary. So who's getting the raw deal again?
>>69716210
Christ. Let me tell you why poor white people vote for conservatives and republicans (which aren't the same thing). Cons and Repubs often promote the idea of job creation and less government handouts to encourage people to go get said jobs which helps the local economy and raises them up.
In essence, the reason poor white people want cons and repubs to win is because they still (incorrectly) believe that they are more likely to get work with them in power and raise themselves out of poverty. This is flawed logic because Repubs and Cons do not actually achieve this, however, they promise to do so and to be fair actually do more to promote unskilled labor jobs (the jobs these people need) so it is literally in their best interest to vote for those people.
Dems and Libs idea of helping the poor is to keep them under the control of government programs with the threat of removing those programs if the people using them try to escape the poverty needed to be in those programs. This goes against the core ideals of 'working for a living' that is emblazoned in the very fiber of the american working class.
That is why those stupid trailer trash cousin fuckers want Cons to win, so that they might be afforded the chance to work their way out of being trailer trash cousin fuckers. Keep in mind this isn't a universal thing and some are just 'Muh Religion comes first' but by and large many just want the chance to work their way out of shit and feel that Cons can deliver that.
>>69728166
>Hospitals actually budget accordingly for such costs and cheap payment plans are frequently set up for those who cannot afford full price.
What are you on about? Chemo treatment is expensive no matter what. THere's been plenty of horror stories of people being landed with $100,000 bills will being treated for a head injury in the US and shit. I'm sure hospitals can offer deal, but not below cost or even near it.
>NHS has been bankrupt for YEARS
How so? What's not having 24-7 got to do with it being "bankrupt"? People will just have to pay for doctors instead when they aren't available.
>they HAVE to serve me AND I can get the price knocked down to something I can afford if necessary. So who's getting the raw deal again?
They can put you on a waiting list until they have resources for any length of time. They don't have to give you an price you can afford. That makes no sense.
>>69728166
>NHS has been bankrupt for YEARS
This. The NHS is a failure. Once you make healthcare "free" you artificially drive demand up due to the lower prices, which causes scarcity.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34939034
http://www.healthaffairs.org/press/2012_04_10.php
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/26/patients-waiting-times-nhs-gps-uk
>>69716210
it's not about the money it's about my country
>>69727605
The US spends around $55 billion on nuclear weapons
The UK spends about $4.5 billion
So each state roughly contributes $1.1 billion (obviously it varies but not by much). That would leave the UK with a $3.4 billion surplus on nuclear weapons alone.
And apparently the UK would rank #49 so maybe we'd pay less than the 1.1 average
>>69716210
>Why do poor / Middle class conservashits vote against their own interests?
Look everybody! That Marxist asshole is posting on /pol/ again!
>>69724119
I lived in Australia and New Zealand my whole life. Free health care sucks
>Be me
>Break my arm at age 16
>Medicare will take care of it
>Go to E.R. in Penrith/Nepean Hospital
>Oh shit, there's someone been stabbed
>Oh damn, an O.D.
>Doctors up to their elbows in blood
>Police drag a violent criminal through E.R.
>Crap, gotta wait in E.R. waiting room
>Some kid is hyperventilating and going into anaphylactic shock
>It's okay, I think, they are more life threatening (this is true btw, not being a reddit /s fag)
>Wait for 6 hours
>Triage finally sees me
>Tells me that I'll have to wait for a doctor
>I think the guy next to me has AIDS - covered in legions and open wounds
>Wait for 6 more hours
>12 hours in E.R. waiting room to get a sling for a broken arm
>Finally get X-RAYed
>Arm put in sling (no cast needed, just a greenstick fracture)
>Finally get home after 15 hours
>Get sick with a bunch of other crap from waiting in the waiting room
Free health care sucks. It's fine for immediate life threatening stuff, but you want something else done, good luck. Need some kind of surgery? Get an appointment 12 months out...
>>69728757
>you artificially drive demand up due to the lower prices
depends how you run the system. In Ireland you have to pay to see a local doctor. Few people get to see them for free.
If you get cancer, treatment is free. Not like more people will get cancer if they know treatment is free.
>>69717695
>a radical technological paradigm shift that you actually capitalize upon
You are one dumb motherfucker. And using multisyllable words DOES NOT conceal that.
>>69728892
The UK is 1/5th the US population. So you'd be paying closer to $11 billion.
>>69728722
>THere's been plenty of horror stories of people being landed with $100,000 bills will being treated for a head injury in the US and shit
Any 9/10 times they get knocked down to $20-$50 unless the person can afford an actual payment plan which is easy to budget around.
>How so? What's not having 24-7 got to do with it being "bankrupt"? People will just have to pay for doctors instead when they aren't available
>Can't afford to keep hospitals open 24/7
>Can't afford to have hospitals serve their literal purpose
>not bankrupt
Mental gymnastics.
>They can put you on a waiting list until they have resources for any length of time
Legally, they cannot do this. If I walk into a hospital they HAVE to serve me at triage pace. YOU do not have this luxury. Not only do I have this luxury, I can do it any hour of any day of the week.
>>69720344
>>69728996
Oh, I forgot, the only good thing was that Army of Darkness (Evil Dead 3) premiered on TV that night, and it was playing in the waiting room. I'd rather have watched it at home, but my parents were pretty good and didn't let me watch a lot of violent/occult stuff. I still don't want depraved horror movies (although I was surpised that ED3 was more of a comedy).
>>69727828
It's bigger overall but when it's divided between 50 states it's a lot smaller. And the UK would rank below 49 states remember so the contributions would be below the average of other states
>>69719119
how is that supposed to help a roach?
>>69716210
>divide and conquer
Oh golly gee gosh wow.
>>69729249
>Any 9/10 times they get knocked down
even for treatment that would normally cost $100,000?
>Can't afford to have hospitals serve their literal purpose
Of course they serve their literal purpose. They are just getting shittier because there's less money. Every health system gets worse when there's less money.
>Legally, they cannot do this.
Legally they have to find resources that don't exist to treat you? Sounds like a great system.
>>69729378
>And the UK would rank below 49 states
why?
You'd be contributing your taxes in proportion to your gdp like every other state.
>>69719023
People with mentality that social programs like state healthcare should be equally funded by all citizens are the deniers of natural selection.
>>69716210
Bernie wants to raise taxes on everyone not just the rich. I make around 70k and would pay like 15% more in taxes according to his plan. Nice try you libtard dipshit. Everyone is going to pay more taxes under Bernie unless your making under 28k or something like that
>>69729739
Bernie would be such a disaster. Warms my heart knowing his campaign is dead now.
>>69729060
That system isn't perfect, but it's better than Britain's. What ends up happening is that people are paying into a system only a select few will benefit from, I would argue that you wouldn't need the government to pay with taxpayer money if you would stop taxing the.
>>69729543
>even for treatment that would normally cost $100,000
Anecdotal evidence, but here's my story and it happened before Obamacare.
>get what I think is stomach flu
>throw up for 36 hours non-stop
>dehydrated as a motherfuck
>get so dehydrated I can't stand
>have to call amberlamps
>go to hospital
>get shots/tests
>total bill comes out to 36k due to amberlamps
>no insurance
>collegefag so no money
>go into hospital accounting service
>they knock the bill down to $20 and set me up with an HSA with my jerb
Pretty fucking common actually. Even more so with the ACA
>Of course they serve their literal purpose
How are they serving their purpose? The purpose of a hospital is for emergency treatment at a moments notice. How the fuck are they serving this purpose if they're closed 2 days a week and 4 hours a day every day they're open.
>Legally they have to find resources that don't exist to treat you? Sounds like a great system.
You see, Potatonigger, here in America the hospitals actually have resources on hand because they're not dependent on government funds that don't exist.
>>69721888
Working personally hard for yourself and your children and going/sending them to a non-government paid college/university is a better option than having the government pay for you.
>>69730018
>What ends up happening is that people are paying into a system only a select few will benefit from
How is that different than private health insurance though?
>>69716210
Unlike women, men vote for their country not for themselves
>>69729543
>The NHS is serving it's purpose even if it has to be closed because the government can't pay for it
Is this bait
>>69730019
>Pretty fucking common actually.
That's cool. So the system relies on private hospitals being nice enough to cover your costs for you? Other people using the hospital have to pay more to cover the loses they make on you.
>The purpose of a hospital is for emergency treatment at a moments notice.
That's the ideal, but not the purpose. The purpose is to be a centre of care. I agree it's shit that it's closed 2 days a week.
>here in America the hospitals actually have resources on hand because they're not dependent on government funds that don't exist.
What funds do they use then to fund your treatment that you can't afford to pay? Everyone else who uses the hospital has to pay more then?
>>69716210
Maybe just maybe, they unlike liberals, have some semblance of pride and work ethic and don't want/need to beg for a handout.
>>69730117
I have a choice. That and private health insurance would actually have to compete which would drive down costs and achieve more quality healthcare. The idea that people will make smart financial decisions with other people's money is not true.
>>69718161
Illegals and Muslims are not people.
>>69730402
The government generally subsidizes a portion of the cost, but not the full thing.
>That's the ideal, but not the purpose
That is literally the purpose of a hospital. It's not a fucking doctor's office.
>What funds do they use then to fund your treatment that you can't afford to pay? Everyone else who uses the hospital has to pay more then?
Government subsidies, overcharging insurance, donor resources. The big cash cows are Medicaid and Medicare because the hospitals can charge the government whatever they fuck they want and get away with it because the government can't say "We're not paying that." In my case, it was government subsidy plus the new HSA. It's really too bad that HSA's became illegal with Obamacare. Whenever government touches healthcare they fuck it up.
>>69716210
But Bernie sanders thinks white poor people don't exist lmao
>>69716210
>Economically speaking , if you don't make over 250k you have no business voting Republican
Bernies tax plan has my family paying another 15% in taxes a year while Trumps plan is 7% less, I for one don't want to give the negroes another 15% when I can barley make it by with the full on retarded property taxes going on here.
>>69730701
Can you tell me more about this HSA? Is it public or private?
>>69716210
>Conservashits
Sounds like you really care.
Cry some more, loser.
>>69730701
>Government subsidies
Oh right, so basically close to what we do. If you can't afford healthcare, the government pays for your treatment. Everyone else pays you with higher taxes.
>overcharging insurance
The fuck is that?
>hospitals can charge the government whatever they fuck they want and get away with it
Wow, what a great system.
>>69716210
Because they can't stand faggots, niggers, illegals and shrill women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEnbELzOldc
>>69716210
>Why do poor / Middle class conservashits vote against their own interests?
Because sometimes, voting for what's best for the country matters more than what's best for one's self. And they know this.
Truly, they are patriots.
>>69716210
Only the deadweight benefit under Bernie. I'd consider myself middle class and he'd be the worst for me. I already get healthcare because I have a job, and I am already college educated so don't give a fuck if that's free. I don't want more coming from my paycheck to propel the dumb and lazy.
>>69729635
>why?
That's the misconception people have when comparing a state to a country.
You can compare the US and UK GDP as a whole or US state with a UK region like Greater London. Mixing the two is inaccurate
>>69716210
Why do liberals never make these same claims to Hollywood actors?
>>69716210
Guns and Jesus. That's all dumb rednecks who don't keep up with current events vote for
>source: I live in the south
>>69731292
What the fuck are you talking about? If you joined the US you'd be paying the same proportion of GDP in federal tax as every american state does. Nothing else makes any sense.
>>69731082
Private. Basically, you pay a portion of your paycheck into an account tax-free. Generally your HSA provider or employer (sometimes both) matches the amount you put in to a certain point. Said HSA provider then uses the account like a bank does, but also negotiates cheap healthcare costs (like private insurance). It's basically all the benefits of insurance for a fraction of the cost. When the ACA passed, HSAs were no longer allowed for some reason so what had "cost" me a whopping $35 a paycheck now costs $300 a month for a shitty $2000 deductible bare bones coverage plan. Trumps looking to do away with all of that and allow HSAs again. Pretty nifty, would recommend.
>>69731144
>Oh right, so basically close to what we do.
Nah. Governments subsidize private hospitals to ensure that they can't legally turn away patients. They don't pay for treatment unless you're on Medicaid or Medicare.
>Everyone else pays you with higher taxes.
Comes out of FICA. It's a flat rate for everyone unless you're a business owner or freelancer.
>The fuck is that
Hospitals charge insurance companies more than individuals because the insurance companies can afford to pay more and still make hella profit.
>Wow, what a great system
Wouldn't be so fucked up if government wasn't involved in the first place.
>>69716210
I would rather have a job than welfare.
>>69731733
>Private. Basically, you pay a portion of your paycheck into an account tax-free. Generally your HSA provider or employer (sometimes both) matches the amount you put in to a certain point. Said HSA provider then uses the account like a bank does, but also negotiates cheap healthcare costs (like private insurance). It's basically all the benefits of insurance for a fraction of the cost. When the ACA passed, HSAs were no longer allowed for some reason so what had "cost" me a whopping $35 a paycheck now costs $300 a month for a shitty $2000 deductible bare bones coverage plan. Trumps looking to do away with all of that and allow HSAs again. Pretty nifty, would recommend.
That's pretty interesting. Is the term Hospital accounting service or health savings account? Trying to read up more on this.
>>69732086
Health Savings Account
>>69731733
>They don't pay for treatment unless you're on Medicaid or Medicare.
Did your $36k bill get covered by medicaid? What about cancer/emergency care when you can't afford it?
>Comes out of FICA.
a yes is fine
>because the insurance companies can afford to pay more and still make hella profit.
That sounds like grade A liberal economics right there. "You can charge insurance companies more because they make so much money anyways LOL". The result of this is insurance costs going up for everyone. So insurance holders end up paying for people who can't afford their treatment.
>>69716210
People brainwashed by propaganda.
I understand why they supposed Trump, but why the hell did the working class white people ever support "free trade" corporate shills who were going to ship away their jobs?
>>69731190
Nationalism kills.
>>69732253
>Did your $36k bill get covered by medicaid?
Nah, I didn't qualify for Medicaid then. I do now thanks to Obamacare, whether I deserve it or not.
>What about cancer/emergency care when you can't afford it?
Cancer treatment they set up payment plans. Usually pretty affordable if you're not stupid about it. Emergency care is what I had.
>a yes is fine
The cost doesn't drive up taxes for anyone. FICA contributions haven't increased since the fucking 60's.
>That sounds like grade A liberal economics right there. "You can charge insurance companies more because they make so much money anyways LOL". The result of this is insurance costs going up for everyone. So insurance holders end up paying for people who can't afford their treatment
All because hospitals can charge Medicaid and Medicare whatever the fuck they want. Now you realize why 80% of U.S. spending is on Social Security and Medicaid and why the majority of socialized health programs are fucking broke. The only way to realistically drive down healthcare costs without deferring costs to the taxpayer is to remove government interference entirely.
>>69732624
>Nah, I didn't qualify for Medicaid
So who ended up covering your bills? Sounds like it was other people in the hospital.
> Usually pretty affordable if you're not stupid about it.
And suppose you are poor and can't afford $100,000 no matter how long you are given to pay it off? At some point they have to take a loss on the treatment if they are going to offer, and someone else will have to pay the costs. How do they even know what you can pay? Do they means test you?
>The cost doesn't drive up taxes for anyone.
Then were does this magic tax money come from? Either taxes are increased, or spending cuts are made someplace else. I don't see much of that happening in the US..
>>69724280
I'm a bit late, but here: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016
The tax rates use the payroll tax as well; it's actually spot on for me as shown here, because I'm a freelancer-- I pay 100% of my payroll taxes, because there is no empoyer-employee split for me.
>>69732624
>80%
How far up your ass did you pull that number from? I agree it's a lot but it's more like 40-50%
>>69729739
Its no use
Berniefags dont understand that its not the super rich that pays the "free stuff" here but the average joe
T. 2800€/month 2100€ after taxes (not to mention the countless hidden taxes) but im happy as long as nignogs get their gibsmedat
>>69731442
>Nothing else makes any sense.
Let me simplify it. The average american pays around £6500 in tax on £35,000. The average brit pays £8100 on £35,000.
If the UK's tax bracket were the same as the US it would push up purchasing power parity(PPP), the very thing the #49 state thing was based on.
In other words if the playing field was level with other US states the average worker in the UK would see a large increase in disposable wealth and would seem wealthier than they are now
>>69723600
You think Americans don't eat mashed potato and cabbage in the form of coleslaw. The only difference is butter vs mayo. Stupid Irishman missed the last boat.
>>69733502
Yes, not just the rich would face an increase in taxes. However, for the middle class, since you would no longer have to pay for insurance and college, you would actually be saving money in total.
>>69734319
>since you would no longer have to pay for insurance and college
Supposing the tax increases do not kick in before universal health care and free college is implemented.
Not the bernie will be able to pull off any of that.
OP IS MY HERO
Fuckin lower middle class people barely scraping by who think they actually will become wealthy
>>69727731
Europe is openly destroying itself and China is anything but liberal.
>>69734319
I pay 6.2% social security and health fees on top of the income tax
I dont even use the public healthcare but private because the public sucks plus everything has a tax and everything is fucking expensive that you end up living almost month to month because you cant buy anything extra
Id never have enough money for a new car for example in the US id have a triple salary
No one cares about poor whites in rural areas/appalchia. If anything, they get ridiculed for their accent and being "backwards" because they haven't been indoctrinated by mass media and cultural Marxism dominated colleges. Plus, a lot of these places would be considered "third world" by development standards. Some people have no running water, have to drive 30 miles to make $8 an hour. Daily reminder that the southern accent is the evolution of original British accent brought to the USA.
These people vote republican because the left has lost their fucking mind, also giving your paycheck to the government is NEVER a good idea. These types are typically antigovernment and tax dollars help fund more 3 letter agencies that don't have your best interests in mind. Lower taxes = less government intervention and a larger pay check.
Try harder you cucks
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Lower middle class is based on the state you live in, it's not a blanket term that can cover the entire USA. There are places in KY, WV, OH I known for a fact you can love cozy on $11 an hour. Try that in New York or one of Americas meme cities and you'll starve within the first week.
