>Be 2019
>Filing taxes
>Get $6000 tax return from wealth inequality income tax credit
>Decide maybe to use it to pay off student loan and hospital debts
>Have $0 in debts since all student loans and hospital debts considered predatory were nullified under the Predatory Debt Act of 2018
>Put money in savings
>Later, get appendicitis
>Go to ER
>Have surgery spend 2 days in hospital
>Don't get $40000 bill in mail, pay $0 due to public health coverage
>Get paycheck from work for hours in hospital as well as mandatory government "Get well soon" gift basket and another tax deduction for next year's taxes.
>Drive home
>Don't get stopped in parking lot and at intersection by usual homeless tarts
>Homeless, veteran's programs, and drug disability programs have virtually eliminated homelessness
>Get home
>Turn on TV
>Millionahs and Billionahs literally being crucified on Wall St while President Sanders takes their money and redistributes it into government programs and tax credits
>I'm actually okay with this
>>>/reddit/
Fuck of communist. Socialism is the cancer that is killing sweden. Why the fuck would you want that in America
>be American
>starve
>>69688777
>make 75k a year
>bring home 12k
man, I'm sure am better off now! good thing the king jew increased my food ration this month!
>>69689366
>bring home 75k
>get murdered from the starving poor because they have nothing
should have opted for 12k
>>69689631
>bring home 75k
>more than enough for a home security system and a few firearms
>Be 2019
>Filing taxes
>Get $6000 tax return from wealth inequality income tax credit
Already unrealistic and impossible. Enjoy your famines and purges. I know I will.
>>69688777
>thinks savings accounts will still exist with unprecedented QE
>thinks routine surgery can be scheduled & performed in under several months
>thinks a massively expanded state & its beaurocrats will be as productive as private sector
>>69688777
>Get $6000 tax return from wealth inequality income tax credit
>negative income tax
>bernie sanders idea
try Milton Friedman you cuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpgkX588nM
>Start your own company
>Reinvest for 30 years, grow the business, live well but not extravagantly
>Get old, another business wants to buy you out
>whythefucknot.exe
>TFW you get jewed out of 75% of it to pay for faggot OP and his faggot appendix.
>>69689735
that's nice for you but most of polmurica isn't going to be making that much, so sanders would be their most profitable candidate.
you sanders fags are the most gullible drones ever
>>69688832
>>69689028
Capitalism is right wing retards.
>work my way up from 18 year old plumber's apprentice to 32 year old master who owns his own contracting business
>employ 30-50 people in a company that provides a relevant and useful service
>get heavily taxed on revenue from the company
>get taxed some more on my own salary
>get taxed again on the money I'm paying my workers
>my workers get taxed again on their salaries
>end up with less than half of what we actually earned
>high production isn't even worth it because the more we make, the more we'll have to pay
>>69688777
>go to hospital
>pay nurse 5000 dollars to be seen ahead of other patients
>wait four hours anyway
>have to pay doctor 8000 to refer you to surgery
>wait four weeks for appointment
>die before getting home
When healthcare is free, it's of no quality at all.
>>69688777
>Later, get appendicitis
>Go to ER
>Have surgery spend 2 days in hospital
That's the lie the left keep repeating, universal healthcare is nothing like this, universal healthcare is literally what your VA is like, year long waiting lists while you get complications or die.
>>69690375
>be apple, microsoft, google
>be worth 999999999999999999 quintillion dollars
>get taxed 75%
>these money go mostly to public services
>population life improvement overnight
>?????
>>69688777
If you think politicians will suddenly turn into honest, non-greedy, and corruptless paragons of society, if, in the instant Gutman were to be elected, then I have very bad news for you.
>>69688777
::REALITY::
>Get $6000 tax return from wealth inequality income tax credit
>immediately spend it on strippers, tattoos and liquor
>chimp out for more
>>69690375
This actually happens in finland
>>69688777
The trouble with taking other people's money to fix your problems is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
>be 2019
>get 4000 dollar tax return
>due to inflation can only buy a few rations for wife's son.
>>69689631
>starving poor
When will meme die?
In america:
Chicken breast: $1/lb
Eggs: $2/dozen
Rice: $1/kilo
You would have to be mentally impaired to go hungry.
>>69688777
The tax return is what you send in. The money you get back is a tax refund. Retard.
>>69691486
Do you expect liberal teens to use proper grammar?
Chicken $1/lb
...where the fuck are you going to cook chicken without a house and electricity and a stove and a pot or pan?
And have you never heard of the Child Tax Credit or Student tax credit They give you money regardless of if your income was 0 or 50K
>>69690591
they would shut down american branches
and thats what the reality is different divisions operating in different nations labeled parent companies and subsidiaries.
the american branches havent been the ones in control for some time. sure you hold your board meetings and you have a ceo but your not the only ones for the same company and the international division is the parent company
you cant tax them. no other nation will support repatriating of funds or enforce our tax code on their branches. even in europe they refuse to double tax companies just because a long time ago it was founded in america. control changed hands
>>69689908
What a surprise, a jew advocating for socialism.
>It's okay because a "free market" economist advocates it!
>>69690375
>>get heavily taxed on revenue from the company
Revenues are never taxed, profits are
>>69688777
>Put it in savings.
Anyone who knows people that get that kind of tax return knows better. Those faggots blow that shit within the first month.
>>69691435
>
I've always thought the same thing. Food is dirt cheap, there's no way people don't have the ability to afford food
>>69688777
>Getting a Tax Return under the Glorious Socialist Workers Paradise
How bourgeois of you comrade peasant. Is there something you want to confess comrade? Have you been having impure thoughts about Capitalism again comrade? You know there is no such thing as personal tax returns in 2019 da? Such thoughts are anti revolutionary and I should report you to the Political Commissar for trying to subvert our Glorious Revolution.
Perhaps you need another vacation to the Gu-Alaska to "refresh" on our Glorious Revolutionary Ideas da?
>>69689028
"Socialism" was working in Sweden till niggers.
>>69691865
>"working"
Socialism bred an entire race of lazy faggots and ruined the capitalist legacy of Sweden.
>>69691435
Wife used to donate to the local food pantry but eventually stopped because every time we drove past the place there was a stream of fat fucks coming out with tons of free shit. If 1 healthy person starves to death in the U.S. per year I'd be surprised.
>>69690590
Thank you leaf bro. This is exactly what these faggots want. I'm in the VA and I hope they get it
>>69688777
checkem quality bait trips
>>69688777
>be le 2019 face
>go to work
>oh wait, all the companies moved out of the country because having money is bad
The end.
>>69688777
>This is what sandroids actually believe
>>69691654
Roast it over your trash fire you fuckin hobo.
>>69691865
No it wasn't
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/21463-debunking-the-myth-of-socialist-success-in-scandinavia
>>69691989
This
The side effects of your leftist "socialist utopia" is efeminized sheltered men detached from reality and unable to defend themselves.
>>69692020
This, Liberals have somehow convinced themselves that this is a 3rd world country or something. We have the fattest poor people on earth. Many of whom own cars and iPhones, people need some fucking perspective.
>>69692375
That`s why I put quotes on socialism. It isn`t socialism, it`s a mixed system which doesn`t mess with economic freedom, but still has high taxes. In any way it was not the reason sweden is being cucked.
>>69689028
They already have socialism in america. Virtually everywhere in the world is some hybrid of capitalism and socialism. America seems to have the most blatant corruption when it comes to money in politics
>>69692653
>In any way it was not the reason sweden is being cucked.No you fail to understand
This mixed system was fucking Sweden and other Scandinavian nation before "muh shit skin immigration".
This immigration is a symptom not a cause.
>>69691766
Tax revenue is collected from the government. It's semantics at this point. You know what the fuck I mean, Khan.
>>69692653
>Brazilian unable to read.
Shocking. Whether you want to call it socialism or not, the "mixed system" ruined what was already a prosperous, capitalist nation. It does not work.
>>69692798
It's not really semantics because the difference between revenue and profit is massive and A LOT of people don't know the difference and this leads to clickbaits new articles such as "These 100 companies didn't pay Tax last year" and you see all the comments are full of assblasted Socialists complaining about companies avoiding paying tax when In reality the title should read "These 100 companies made no money last year". People legitimately think that large revenue = rich company, when really revenue, by itself, tells you nothing about a companies financial position.
>be me
>taxes go up by 10%
>need 2 million dollars to retire
>can't save as much
>work til i die
Sounds like fun!
>>69690934
Haha, damn up right.
>It's 2019
>Comrade Sanders' Privlegestaffel knock on my door
>They tell me the minimum wage was raised again to 200 dollars a minute
>My small business is already suffering under the last payraise and I needed to fire all but a small handfull of workers
>I now need to default on my 10 loans I used to open up my business because I only brought home $10 a week after taxes of my 60k/year sallary
>Make an idle post about how communism ruined the country
>Thousands of whales, cucks, nu-males and dindus correct me as "Democratic Socialism" as I'm dragged off to the gulag and photoshopped out of reality
>Get re-educated and forced cucking as Comrade Sanders' (peace be upon him) oversees it personally
>The last few millionaires and billionaires leave the country and take their stocks with them, finalizing the market crash
>Die in the ensuing revolution
>At least I died in the name of """"""progress""""""
>>69690521
>Compare prices of the five hospitals in your city.
>Read reviews for each one.
>Pick a decent one, neither barebones treatment nor luxurious one.
>Still pay less because of competition, no 20$ for a 10ct pill bullshit.
>Get treated well, hospitals can't afford bullshit or else the patients would go to a different hospital.
>See Niggers suffering outside because they can't even keep a job for idiots.
Life would be good if capitalism dictated healthcare
>>69688777
>>69693197
You joke like taxes in socialism are a meme, but they are not.
>>69693183
Yup, I'm already enough of a slave on the federal plantation. Fuck bernie.
>>69688777
>I pay for things through my taxes via government bureaucracy
>I pay for things directly
>>69692653
Without dichotomizations though, /pol/ wouldn't know how to argue
>tax return of 6k
Fuckin change your W-4, fuck.
>>69688777
>Get $6000 tax return from wealth inequality income tax credit
You have no idea how taxation works, do you? You don't get back more than you paid in, dummy.
As an aside: I paid ten thousand United States dollars in taxes last year. TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. But we should up that to pay for dumb niggers and retards to go to school for gender studies.
>Don't get $40000 bill in mail, pay $0 due to public health coverage
Again, you have no idea how the healthcare industry works, do you? If you have insurance, your insurance company will tell those kikes to fuck off with their disgusting prices. If you don't, you go into the hospital and say you can't afford that and they'll lower the prices because they know they can't get blood out of a turnip.
God damn barney sandals voters are such ignorant little retards.
>>69693197
You forgot
> go to hospital
> wait in the ER for 14 hours before getting a doctor
> he gives you 2 aspirin and says you're fine because they get paid for how many patients they look at
>>69691865
it never works for long
>>69692653
>it's not real socialism guise
fuck off
>>69693183
>>>need 2 million dollars to retire
What, you gonna spend 50k a year on hookers as a 70 year old?
How much money do you think you could possibly spend in retirement?
Assuming you retire at 65 and live until 90 that's 57k a year from your savings (And in reality you would spend less and less as time went on) which would still be accruing value in retirement, on top of the pension which I don't know how much SS gives you in the US but would still be at least 30k I assume.
If you have no debts you can easily retire on $1 million
Just want to say that this post probably sounded pro-Bernie and as a "fuck you" to people who save up large amounts of money in retirement, which I In fact vehemently support and the faster America moves from Social Security to private saver accounts like Australia and Hong Kong, the better, but no one NEEDS $2 million to retire, don't be ridiculous
>>69691654
Buy a pack of hot dogs and a loaf of wonder bread. That's like 3 dollars and you can stretch it into three days worth of food.
>>69692653
Perhaps it would be more correct to say that Sweden has a welfare state system rather than socialism. So the production of goods and services is pretty deregulated and private property is respected, but people are heavily taxed to pay for public healthcare, public education and social security.
>>69690591
>be apple, microsoft, google
>be worth 999999999999 quintillion dollars
>get taxed 75%
>these companies move to different countries
>less tax revenue because there are no more rich businesses to tax
>???
>loss
>be super rich
>berniecuck tries to tax me 75%
>leave the country with my business and all of its jobs.
>make even more money
>everyone with wealth follows this same trend.
>America becomes a dirt poor nigger land
>>69693706
You absolutely can get back more than you paid in. It's called the earned income tax credit for low income people. I've seen people who make 20k a year get 10k+ back from the irs.
>>69688777
>Be 2019
>Filing taxes
>Pay $10,000 more in taxes than two years ago from wealth inequality act of 2016
>>Well atleast I dont have student loan and hospital debts
>>Have $0 in bank
>>Put no money in savings
>>Later, get appendicitis
>>Go to ER
>>Have to wait and spend 28 days in hospital
>>Barely make it to surgery
>>Get fired from my job because they can no longer afford the cost of their employees and their benefits
>>Its assets are being sold to a Chinese firm
>>Take the bus home
>>Get stopped in parking lot and at intersection by hundreds of homeless men women and children
>>Homeless, veteran's programs, and drug disability programs have been eliminated and created mass homelessness due to a bankrupting of welfare programs
>>Get to my single bedroom apartment
>>Turn on my black and white government issued TV
>>Middle class is literally being crucified live on TV while President Sanders takes the last few pennies of their money and redistributes it into the pockets of him and party officials.
>>I'm actually not okay with this
>>69694011
>>69694015
We are one my brother
>>69688777
>>69694164
Is your pic describing a cock?
>>69693700
Nope, see my post about the eitc. We give poor people a negative income tax rate and hand them free money every year.
>>69691865
Except Sweden has never been socialist. Social democratic at best.
The Nordic countries are still strongly capitalist. They often have much less regulation than the US, but with higher taxation. Social democracy just papers over the flaws of capitalism.
>>69690015
If everyone votes for individual self interest the country will collapse in less than a decade.
>>69688777
>have a shower and join the rest of the secret police lads
>kill enemies of the bernie revolution
You forgot the end OP
>>69694037
You are right, I apologize. I wasn't thinking about the dumb niggers and poor faggots who went to school for gender studies. I was thinking about the productive members of society.
![siru_16[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/orNvjdQ.png "siru_16[1].png")
>>69694223
Yes.
I wonder how big his cuckshed is?
>>69694257
>negative taxes to the poor
Because surplus wealth and economic growth just shits out of Bernie Sander's ass whenever he needs it right?
>>69690375
Oh no! How will you ever be able to pay your medical bill? How will you put your kids through college?
>>69693407
Mein Gott
I'm a higher-rate taxpayer and my National Insurance & Income tax comes to 23% in a supposed "welfare state". How badly do you have to fuck things up to pay an effective rate of 60%?
Well, i think it's better we have 10's of thousand of dollars of debt for going to hospital for something you may have no fault and no choice.
Or that more then half of americans have less then 2000 dollars in savings.
After all, the fault of our economic shitty situation is the fact that our capitalistic system is not capitalistic enough (Humm, it reminds me of something...)
>>69694327
So what should we vote for, mate? I thpught one of the capitalistic main tenets was that what is good for you is goood for society
>>69694442
Not saying I agree with it, I don't but not a lot of people seem to know about it. Needs to get out there so we can start cutting some of this shit off.
>>69694554
>cuck fetishs
How many times do you guys masturbayte to interracial porn?
>>69695079
Do you speak only in logical fallacies and rhetoric?
>>69688777
> have children
> $1B in debt each
>>69695079
>>69695133
>>69695263
T.
ALBERTO
BARBOSA
>>69694106
It's funny that most of what you described is actually hapening now
>>69695133
A leftist, of all people, should understand the difference between democracy and capitalism. Embarrassing.
>>69695281
tell me what logical falacies i made
The rhetoric part i admit, it's my country moor legacy. They left us our love for passionate and arousing speeaches.
>>69695338
Thanks for the (you)
>>69695463
Libertarian society (a near stateless capitalistic society) is basically founded on this. If this is not true, libertarianism (ergo, capitalism without restrictions) is flawed. Guess what???
But enlighten the poor "leftist"
>Bern victims stealing Big Don's memes
Absolutely pathetic. That's even worse energy than Jeb.
By the way cucklets, go take a look at how France's "social democrat" (or whatever euphemism for communist we're using today) policies have worked out.
Spoiler: they haven't worked at all.
>>69695154
You. I like you.
That shit is retarded. My benevolent overlords can take 10 thousand fucking dollars from my earnings for being a productive member of society, yet they'll fund useless retards to just exist? Fuck that shit. If barney sandals is voted in and implements his commie shit, I'll just quit my job and become a taker. Fuck paying for other people's shit.
>Be Richard Nixon
>Propose a guaranteed minimum income policie (fap)
>Congress turns it down twice
Why would the congress allow anything from Bernie?
When Nixon tried it the congress cockblocked him, why wouldn't they cockblock a senile commie?
Then again, a GMI is more socialist than basically anything than Bernie is proposing.
>>69695777
I don't think he is actually campaigning for expanding welfare. Is he?
>>69695705
Libertarianism is founded on democracy, the idea that everyone can use their votes to control everyone else and their property? You are quite confused. If the government did not exist or was otherwise prohibited from interfering with people or their property, then what would anyone possibly vote on?
>>69695705
>But enlighten the poor "leftist"
Fine, look up John Locke on natural rights.
>>69688777
>pay less tax
>have more social benefits
how?
>>69688777
>Millionahs and Billionahs literally being crucified on Wall St while President
>implying most of them won't fuck off to some Latin American countries or go full sjw like Mircoshit™
>>69695751
I don't get that pic. They simly adopted. The little girl is not mixed.
>>69695951
>votes to control everyone else
I thought the state had no power in libertarianism society.
>Libertarianism is founded on democracy
So our mixed economies. Your point?
>If the government did not exist or was otherwise prohibited from interfering with people or their property, then what would anyone possibly vote on?
We are on different lins here. Please read my post again and take the point in heart.
>>69695960
I'm gonna read a fucking book because some retard told me to on 4chin
>>69696161
>Pay more
>Have less social benefits
They have this in america
>>69696291
>I'm gonna read a fucking book because some retard told me to on 4chin
John Locke isn't just "a fucking book", he's one of the most important Western philosophers of all time.
You should speak less and listen more because your opinions are uninformed and based on sheer ignorance.
>>69688777
>>Go to ER
>>Have surgery spend 2 days in hospital
>>Don't get $40000 bill in mail, pay $0 due to public health coverage
That's not how it works. You still have to pay for medical treatment on top of your taxes for it. How do I know? Check my flag.
Also, thinking you'll get treatment right away unless it's a life-threatening injury is preposterous. You'll have to wait days, if not weeks or months before getting treatment.
>Get $6000 tax return from wealth inequality income tax credit
Doesn't work that way. The rich will always have their money, and will pay minimal taxes. There are so many ways to not pay taxes when you have money, not to mention capital flight.
>Don't get stopped in parking lot and at intersection by usual homeless tarts
>Homeless, veteran's programs, and drug disability programs have virtually eliminated homelessness
Again, doesn't work that way. Homelessness not only still exists, but on top of that part of the population lives in precarity, on the verge of being homeless.
Bernie supporters truly are the dumbest people that have walked the Earth. There is no benefit in electing Bernie, only downsides. It's so blatantly obvious to anyone who's a minimum educated.
>Millionahs and Billionahs literally being crucified on Wall St while President Sanders takes their money and redistributes it into government programs and tax credits.
Doesn't work that way. They won't be there and they're money either. You're the ones that will be crucified for speaking out against the government when you realize it was all lies and you're worse off than ever before.
>tax on stock market
>all investment institutions stop investing in majority of things
>nothing grows, jobs begin to shrink
>people rely heavily on unemployment benefits
>pool of money runs dry
>riots
>>69689028
Really? Because last time I checked Sweden turned to shit the moment we elected a conservative or liberal party to be in charge, and this have been the case for 150 fucking years.
> Early 90's
> Economy in complete shambles after conservatives being conservatives
> 2010's
> Economy in complete shambles after conservatives being conservatives, this time conservatives also happen to be the biggest pusher for open borders.
Liberalism and conservatism is the cancer killing Sweden and have done so whenever they've gotten the chance, they hate people actually having decent lives and want us to start being more like the US.
>>69696291
>I thought the state had no power in libertarianism society.
Therefore, voting is unnecessary. Voting is only necessary when deciding what the government should do with its power.
>So our mixed economies. Your point?
You can't read. I was not saying libertarianism was founded on democracy, I was calling you an idiot for saying libertarianism was founded on democracy.
>We are on different lins here. Please read my post again and take the point in heart.
Let me summarize, then.
Other poster: "If everyone votes for individual self interest the country will collapse in less than a decade." (>>69694327)
You: "I thought the main idea of capitalism was that what's good for the individual is good for society?" (>>69695133)
Me (Incorrectly assuming you weren't retarded): There's a difference between capitalism, where people can peacefully pursue their self interest, and democracy, where people petition the government to steal from others or otherwise control them. (>>69695463)
>>69695061
It's basically paying for old people and women.
Free healthcare -> mostly used by old people, young women also outspend men like 4 to 1 in health care (free regular vagina checks, free birth control pills).
Free education: Again paying for women. More than half of the spots are liberal arts, sociology, teachers, etc.. again, mostly used by women, women are more than 60% of college, women are rare in trades... so state pays for women's education and they never get any return on that investment, as women just turn around and get government jobs. If women actually had to pay for their education, they could never do so with the shit useless degrees they are getting.
2 million people, out of those, 750k pensioners and further 200k in government jobs. Basically around 500k people are working in a non-government job.
Speaking of pensioners, we're paying for women again. Average slovenian male spends 7 years in retirement, average woman 16.
Government job -> mostly women, out of 200k, 120k are teachers/professors, mostly women. And they are so well paid, that wage gap between men and women is around 2%.
Maternity leave lasts 1 year and it's paid by the government, 90% of the regular salary of the woman. Again, taxes pay for women.
And more....
That is why if you are a male engineer, you need to get the fuck out of this shit, or get creative with taxes like I did.
>>69696291
Off yourself you fucking communist. I dare you to tell me how great East German """Democratic Socialism""" was you fucking Bolshevik
>>69695920
He's campaigning on expanding taxes. If I have to pay any more to fund dumb niggers or retards to go to school for gender studies, I'll just become a taker. It isn't worth it to actually be a productive member of society at that point.
>>69696655
>You still have to pay for medical treatment on top of your taxes for it
It varies by country. France and Germany (among others) have a social insurance system. The UK, Spain and the Scandinavian countries have a tax-financed model, where health are funding comes the general taxation pool. I think Sanders wants a Nordic style system.
>>69696813
>implying the socialist 70s didn't cause Swedish economy to stagnate
>>69697028
Shhhhhh
>>69691746
The state has an obligation to assist its citizens in times of need, just as citizens have an obligation to assist the state. It is suppose to be a mutually beneficial relationship and the whole reason private citizens advocated some of their individual rights and powers to the state. Welfare has its place in a capitalist system as a mechanism to encourage further production and prosperity.
However, welfare socialism is welfare for the sake of welfare. It is designed to keep people poor and subservient to the government, and actively punishes them for attempting to remove themselves from it. What is suppose to be a safety net instead becomes a burden when you allow unchecked immigration to your state and then provide those worthless fucks with free gimmiedats.
>>69692090
Just like how all the companies moved out of the country when taxes were 90% for higher income tiers? Try again faggot.
And if they do leave? Then they're unamerican cocksuckers.
>>69688777
>get appendicitis
>go to ER
>20000000 nig nogs waiting in line for free healthcare
>Appencitis turns into death
>you die
This is literally how it is to live in Norway. Jellymad Americans will never know.
>b-but my american dream if i scrub this toilet really hard i will become the next donald trump i'm sure!!
>>69691865
No, it really wasn't. The whole reason the swedish government went full retard with importing niggers is because native swed birthrates were in the negatives. The socialism in sweden created a generation that was slowly heading towards societal suicide.
>>69696535
I know who John Locke is, and you can't undrstand his points wthout reading his works, or commentaries by prominient scholars after him. So what works do you recomeend? Or should i be a wikipedia pjilosopher?
>>69696857
>There's a difference between capitalism, where people can peacefully pursue their self interest, and democracy, where people petition the government to steal from others or otherwise control them.
A lolbertarian callin g me a retard. I'm cuttimng my wrist right now. I didn't equate capitalism to society. I just said that "what's good for the individual is good for society". Is it wrong? How can you consider a society in wich personal wantings dominate and then say that what is good for one person may be bad for those around him?
>>69693888
>no debts
old people get sick and hurt easily, and medical costs can get retarded. old people also cant do a lot of basic tasks like yard work or maintenance so they have to pay others to do it for them.
>>69690375
>have a steady home, job, and life
>BUT I WANT ANOTHER HOUSE AND 2 MORE CARS
>>69697206
THat works if you have a 2% nignog population, the USA is 40% nig nogs, you just can't pay for that.
>>69696910
My political ideals are more alighned with national socialism, but yes keep giving me the (you). Getting this trip was a awesome idea
>>69696944
The majority of poors are white.
> It isn't worth it to actually be a productive member of society at that point.
Really? Those that don't work in my country are porr as fuck, and even those that work
>>69688777
> Be 2020
> run out of the money the government stole.
> starve to death and become Venezuela 2.0
"Socialism works until you run out of other people's money" ~ Margaret Thatcher
>>69694015
the funny thing is they would expatriate en masse and tell the government to go shove it if they want some sort of expatriation tax
>>69697079
>The state has an obligation to assist its citizens in times of need
The only thing anyone "needs" is the protection of property rights.
>>69691435
Its not that hard for an individual, but if you have kids it makes it a lot harder. Especially if you are a single parent.
inb4 i know people shouldnt get kids before they can afford to do so.
why cant we all just get along?
we are all the same on the inside
>>69697552
That's awfully unfair when the distribution of wealth and property is as skewed as it is.
>>69693888
That's what they're telling me at least. Lemme hop on my laptop and I'll link you the article.
Might be bullshit, but my point remains the same, it's my money, and i want to retire comfortably.
>>69688777
>This is How Delusional Bernie's are
>>69697530
>The majority of poors are white.
Because the majority of the people are white. Look at percentages, buddy.
>Really? Those that don't work in my country are porr as fuck, and even those that work
Okay. Your country is a shithole, why would I give a fuck about a sliver of Spain? Aren't you guys like 40% unemployed with your gibsmedats programz about to implode because the actual working class has told your faggot politicians to fuck off with their extreme taxation?
>>69697028
Swweden had a huge boom in the 90's
>>69697079
> It is designed to keep people poor and subservient to the government
I am pretty ssure that unemployment subsides are made to keep people poor.
>>69697552
>The only thing anyone "needs" is the protection of property rights.
Have you ever heard about feudalism?
>>69688777
The whole purpose of an economy is to increase value and profits and socialism does neither
>>69688777
Without Bernie
>Get a student loan
>Get a degree, market is not flooded with degrees from cheap colleges. Get a job
>Pay off student loans in 7 years, earn for myself, retire early or late depending on how I spend/save the money
>Achieve the american dream
>Get sick, pay for healthcare that actually delivers in results
With Bernie
>Rejoice at free everything
>Get a free degree, job market flooded, take a lower pay since there are so many fresh degree holders
>Pay Bernie's Tax for 7...nah, for rest of my life
>Companies leave US due to 75%+ tax.
>Open borders, have to share my government allocated flat with 2 other families.
>Old age coming, hardly any money saved
>Have $5000 more than the lazy scum who never got a job
>praise democratic socialism
>Try to get treated for cancer
>Doctor's appointment takes place 6 months later, Bernie's priority treatment plan only applicable to transgender people
>Doctor does a 5 min check, gives some pills when till my surgery date 3 years later
>praise democratic socialism
>Die, family can't cremate body as 'dead bodies' have to be donated(read shared) with local science college
>>69697321
>I just said that "what's good for the individual is good for society". Is it wrong? How can you consider a society in wich personal wantings dominate and then say that what is good for one person may be bad for those around him?
I'm baffled. You are saying that libertarians would approve of the mugger, murderer, or rapist who is using force in his own self interest?
Because this is what you claimed here:
> I thpught one of the capitalistic main tenets was that what is good for you is goood for society
No libertarian has ever said "what is good for the individual is good for society" -- it is a serious misunderstanding of the philosophy.
>>69697186
>go to ER
>regular doctor visits covered under public healthcare
>people still waiting years in line at ER for regular doctor visits
Wait what?
>>69697668
Our current distribution of wealth came about because of a lack of property rights -- regulations and central banking that benefited the upper class. I am by no means advocating that they should be allowed to keep their wealth.
>>69697796
>Have you ever heard about feudalism?
When criminals conquered peasants and forced them to work the land that they would have owned under capitalist theory? Like I said, property rights need to be protected.
>>69697781
>Because the majority of the people are white. Look at percentages, buddy.
I know, i'm not that retarded. But the fact remains that the majority of poor are white.
>>Aren't you guys like 40% unemployed
You are msitaking Spain, they have a ~20% unemployment rate. Our official one is 11%
> gibsmedats programz about to implode
Our social security system was one of the few good things my country had. It consistently turned a profit up until recently
>actual working class has told your faggot politicians to fuck off with their extreme taxation?
Yeah, it's a little hard to gave a silver spoon faggot politician saying it's the fault of our crysis is oour working class "living beyiond our possibilities"- And what disgusts me more is that i believed it.
>>69693888
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/powell/2016/03/29/millennials-new-retirement-number-18-million-more/81329246/
once again, i might be freaking out over nothing. But numbers like this give me grey hair.
>>69696973
Yeah he does want the Nordic model, except that even the PM of some Nordic country (Don't remember which) has come out saying that Bernie doesn't understand how the fundamentals of their system works, and that he's only going to fuck everything up.
But that's neither here nor there. Let's take the UK. Don't you guys have problems with your NHS being under terrible pressure for a variety of reasons?
Even here in France we have problems with it due to people who abuse the system to grift the state out of money.
...and all the while americans pay 75% of income tax. sounds good 2 me OP
>>69697602
Then maybe these destitute retards should stop breeding
>>69698217
>Sweden has 22% corporate tax rate
>Bernie wants to increase US corporate tax rate just like Sweden ;)
US effective average corp tax rate is already above Sweden's nominal one.
Either way, the US should "just" throw away every loophole and reduce nominal corp tax rate to around 20%.
>>69688777
>implying you would have a job
>>69688777
>mfw soviet 'murica is poorer than capitalistic russia
>mfw 10000$ is worth less than an abortion
Didn't Bezmenov teach you, that communism is bad?
>Obama all over again
>>69697796
>Swweden had a huge boom in the 90's
Swedish relative government spending went down massively during the 90s.
And I talked about the 70s.
>>69688777
Cool fantasy
>>69691654
They don't GIVE you money, Cuck master 9000. They just reduce the amount they were going to keep. You would know that if you worked and actually understood how your taxes are allocated and redistributed
>>69698180
>Our official one is 11%
Top zozzle, m8.
>Our social security system was one of the few good things my country had. It consistently turned a profit up until recently
>up until recently
So did ours. It turns out commie programz like that tend to implode in on themselves after a few decades because socialism is shit.
>Yeah, it's a little hard to gave a silver spoon faggot politician saying it's the fault of our crysis is oour working class "living beyiond our possibilities"- And what disgusts me more is that i believed it.
I have no idea what you're even trying to say in this sentence.
>>69698464
dont forget the huge amount of inflation that's happend recently
>>69697946
So how can you argue that what is best for the capitalist is better for the working class?
>>69698164
You know nothing of feudalism. Most of them borned in the situation. And the lords weren't criminals, since they made the laws, annd were judge, jury and executioner in their lands.
>they would have owned under capitalist theory?
So you can ocuppy lands in libertarian society?
>>69698979
>Yeah, it's a little hard to gave a silver spoon faggot politician saying it's the fault of our crysis is oour working class "living beyiond our possibilities"- And what disgusts me more is that i believed it.
>I have no idea what you're even trying to say in this sentence.
He didn't understand what you wrote (either because of his tenuous grasp of English or his debating tactic of changing the subject). He's claiming that the working class are not angry at the politicians over socialism, but angry at the politicians who blame them for socialism's failures.
>>69698203
Indeed, retirement savings will probably be one of Millienials biggest problem in life. It terrifies me that our generation of entitled, retarded degenerates will have to solve some massive problems that have never troubled humans before
I have eternally grateful that Based Keating foresaw this impending doom in the 90's and introduced the Superannuation system and has left Australia as the highest rated nation for dealing with retirement obligations and retirement savings
Americas Social Security system is completely and utterly fucked. Liberal cucks really need to study what our LABOR prime minister did in the 90's; If someone tried that in America in today the Republicans probably wouldn't even support it and Democrats would chimp out. "Don't touch my retirement money" - Every single person, right up until the point the whole system collapses because no one had the balls to tell everyone to get fucked and accepts that It needs to be fixed
>>69688777
>Millionahs and Billionahs literally being crucified on Wall St
and what in the fucking world makes you believe that they just bend over and let it happen?
lets do some fucking fortune telling, shall we?
>all 1% leave Burgerland
>no more fiscal trading taking place
>economy collapsing
>government prints more money to counter the inevitable
>US Dollar gets run into the ground
suddenly nobody is left to pay for Bernies promised dreams
the US financial market becomes irrelevant
the problem with Sanders agenda is that it is 100% relying on other peoples money
>>69698539
Tell me more
>>69698979
>So did ours. It turns out commie programz like that tend to implode in on themselves after a few decades because socialism is shit.
It's crazy that libertarians were preachng that welfare is not sustainable. Yet were we are.
> tend to implode in on themselves
Capitalism as a impecable record on this mate.
>I have no idea what you're even trying to say in this sentence.
>I have no idea what you're even trying to say in this sentence.
have in stead of gave
What did you meant with :
>actual working class has told your faggot politicians to fuck off with their extreme taxation?
Cause it appears we have a miscomuication problem
>>69699524
>It terrifies me that our generation of entitled, retarded degenerates will have to solve some massive problems that have never troubled humans before
tfw when my friends were stuyding I was already a mason.
Saving money was pretty easy when I had a 7 year head start with a full time job.
>as left Australia as the highest rated nation for dealing with retirement obligations and retirement savings
I've read before that the Netherlands has been called the country with the best pension system.
Which I found strange because it's completely and utterly unsustainable
>>69699374
>So how can you argue that what is best for the capitalist is better for the working class?
When did I ever say this? Holy shit, man.
>You know nothing of feudalism. Most of them borned in the situation.
If you mean the peasants, then yes, they were born and forced to work on land that was conquered from their ancestors. If you mean the lords themselves, then that does not change that their father or their father's father conquered the land.
I do not necessarily mean "conquered" with an army; it's possible that the peasants initially chose the lord for protection who then later forcefully prevented any competition to his rule.
> And the lords weren't criminals, since they made the laws, annd were judge, jury and executioner in their lands.
They weren't criminals because they said they weren't criminals and killed anyone who said otherwise. Listen to yourself.
>So you can ocuppy lands in libertarian society?
I'm assuming you mean something like squatters rights, where the ownership of the land is transferred to the person occupying it.
No, I do not mean that. Under the Lockean system of property rights, the first person to put un-owned land to use becomes the rightful owner. In this case, it was the peasants (or their ancestors) who were the first to cultivate the land and only later did the lord come and claim it was his.
>>69688777
>Have to sell myself into slavery because I can't afford to pay white privilege tax
>Laqueeesha Al Husseini Gonzalez, my new master finds out i still have a male penis(penis not turned into a vagina)
>Gelded for free thanks to free healthcare
>Thank you Bernie Sanders you are truly my greatest ally
>>69697184
>unamerican
>being "american" when that means giving 95% of your income to niggers who are too lazy to get a job or college students who want an easy degree so they can fuck around
>>69688777
>giving everyone free money
>thinks the value of money will stay the same
kek
>>69698448
Biggest economic problem with the US was the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act with the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.
Just putting it back and punishing the banks for what they've done would put the country back on track. Or at least in the right direction.
>>69699972
>Capitalism as a impeccable record on this mate.
Communism still holds the world title belt, and hasn't helped to lift the entire world of of poverty instead of just a political elite.
There's no comparison between capitalism and communism, let alone because capitalism isn't even a political system to begin with.
>>69699972
>tell me more
What do I have to tell?
The facts are straight, Swedish government spending lowered during the 90s.
>>69688777
You do realize that crucifying the millionaires and billionaires would nullify everything you said before that because the wealth would stop, right? You can nationalize as much as you want and take the money, but that's a one-time-only action and no one would dare invest in a country that literally murdered private citizens to steal their wealth.
Congratulations, you just caused a massive brain drain.
>>69700032
>When did I ever say this? Holy shit, man.
You didn't. But you have to in a libertarian society.
>They weren't criminals because they said they weren't criminals and killed anyone who said otherwise. Listen to yourself.
That is law. Written by some. what is crime in one place is not in other.
> it was the peasants (or their ancestors) who were the first to cultivate the land and only later did the lord come and claim it was his.
A little hard to defend this, since most of the peasents were brought by the lord. Most of my country central and southern part ws virtually unpopulated in the end of reconquista.
But is un-owned or un-worked?
>>69697466
> produce nothing of value
> BUT I WANT FREE SHIT FROM THE GOVERNMENT
I hope you fire in a fire.
>>69688777
>be 2018
>filing taxes
>make 150 k a year
>only get 10 k
>meanwhile unemployed druggie is getting 60k a year
thanks bernard saddler
>>69700539
Die*
>>69700184
>Just putting it back and punishing the banks for what they've done would put the country back on track.
The government has no interest in this, because the government told the banks to engage in this behavior in the first place, and then promised that they'd recoup their losses.
It was called the "Affordable Housing Act", and was an attempt to make home ownership more "accessible and equal". Nothing in the Glass-Steagall act would have prevented the financial crisis, the repeal is an easy scapegoat statists use to attempt to shift the blame from statism to "deregulation."
>>69699972
>It's crazy that libertarians were preachng that welfare is not sustainable. Yet were we are.
Is that why your economy is imploding?
>Capitalism as a impecable record on this mate.
Like being incredibly successful and breeding the greatest nation this world has ever seen?
>What did you meant with :
>>actual working class has told your faggot politicians to fuck off with their extreme taxation?
Your entire service industry is in open protest over shit wages and over taxation.
>>69688777
Utopia, only for the small price of freedom.
>>69700661
This, 2 big 2 fail just means you take the risk out of the equations and banks can just go berserk because they'll be saved either way.
A market only works when there can be a loser. 2 big 2 fail removes the possibility of losing so it can't work.
>>69700887
>A market only works when there can be a loser. 2 big 2 fail removes the possibility of losing so it can't work.
Agreed. Another reason the government should have stayed the fuck out of it all together.
>>69688777
>2025
>USA is now a bankrupt third world country
>Canadian dollar is worth 10 cents more than US
>>69700058
>Changing a number arbitrarily and ignoring the argument as a whole
Great work faggot. Where'd you learn these amazing argument strategies, Liberty University?
>>69690174
I know idiot, we're talking about BERNIE SANDERS you stupid retard.
>>69690174
>>69701202
Capitalism isn't a political system, retards.
>>69701189
>these companies are moving all their work to China!
>we need to tax them more!
Yeah, they won't move more shit out or anything. What the fuck are you niggers going to do when they start storing their money in China? It's not like we're ever going to war now that so many countries have nukes.
>>69700272
The thing is actual communism was never tried. Communism is anarchism.
>>69700317
Maybe it has something to do with the cold war?
>>69700716
But not because the reasons you guys wanted to be
>Like being incredibly successful and breeding the greatest nation this world has ever seen?
Debatable, but asssuming that America is, then why did america reached the apex back when they had 90% tax rates?
>Your entire service industry is in open protest over shit wages and over taxation.
Ah, you are talking about the "river of tears" restaurants. They cried so much about the tax incrrase it was pitifull. But now the tax is back on the old level.
>shit wages
It's really hard to find a good job in Portugal without reallly skills or nepotism, and wages are worse year after year.
>>69701364
Importing taxes from China you dumbo.
>>69688777
You stupid fuck, he hasn't promised any of this.
If you actually look at his promises he only promises a small decrease in interest for student loans. That is all. No free education.
>>69701484
>The thing is actual communism was never tried.
It was tried, it just failed.
>Communism is anarchism.
That they thought they could bring about by creating an all powerful state to usher in the process.
It's time to stop kidding yourself.
>>69701642
If you mean this, well...
The interest rate is just another price, and price controls ultimately lead to failure.
>>69701484
>The thing is actual communism was never tried.
During the Russian revolution in Ukraine.
They got quickly conquered by the Soviets.
The Green Army also got slammed down quickly.
There were a few anarchist groups, they all failed because they couldn't handle a war against an organized state.
The Swedish government spending reduced because the welfare programs that had been growing exponentially since the 70s had become too big and they had to cut down spending.
>>69701730
No, Marx wanted to be created a ancap society first. He thought of it as a important step in revolution.
>It was tried, it just failed.
But iw wasn't. There was a interesting case in Catalonia in Spanish civil war that somewhat closely resembled.
>>69701364
You've gone full retard here man. I bet you would have mourned for Rockefeller after God King Roosevelt went after him :/
>>69702064
>No, Marx wanted to be created a ancap society first.
I doubt Marx ever even knew what the term ancap was.
>But it wasn't.
But it was, even >>69701969 can corroborate.
It doesn't work. It's a terrible pipe dream we need to finally abandon.
>>69702064
>Catalonia
If they saw you using money you would get executed.
Such freedom, thanks anarchism
>>69702360
[Citation Needed]
Shit, George Orwell wrote an entire essay praising the commune there
>>69703073
[citation needed]
>>69703153
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_to_Catalonia
By commune I meant the anarchist ones, not the Communist ones
>>69701969
Green army wasn't communist, they were anti-bolshevick without any clear political affiliation
Ukrainian people republic wasn't communist. Like i said, Communism implies a absence of state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_People%27s_Republic
>>69703073
http://jim.com/cat/blood.htm
I don't care about Orwell.
>>69703153
He did write about them
>>69702344
Communism implies a absence of state.
>>69702360
Source?
>>69703362
Communism is anarchism ffs
>>69703371
>Like i said, Communism implies a absence of state
Except a state is necessary to achieve communism. States created in that attempt are an example of trying communism, and their failure is a failure of communism.
Shift goal posts all you like, communism will never work. You're on the wrong side of history :^)
>>69703362
>By commune I meant the anarchist ones, not the Communist ones
So anarchism is good until it turns to communism, then it's shit? Gotcha.
>>69703487
>Communism implies a absence of state.
>Communsim is anarchism ffs
You haven't read Marx. Read Marx before you talk. :^)
>>69703487
>no true Scottsman
You can dream about anarchism all you want.
It's simply not going to happen.
Even Chimpanzees with much less cerebral cortex neurons than humans wage war with other Chimpanzee tribes.
The moment you can claim that anarchism hasn't been tried before is because the moment they tried they were already failing at every level.
>>69703411
I heard the situation in Aragon was different, that the Anarchists there lived a fairly happy life and enjoyed better production than ever before. Source was a journalist who (later) became an Anarchist, so take that as you will.
>>69703778
>The moment you can claim
The only reason you can claim
>>69698547
You are a fucking moron. The worst kind, loud, insulting, and flat out wrong. It's a negative income tax rate they get back more than they ever put in. Usually something like 100+ percent more than they put in.
>>69700661
Deregulation played a part in it though, otherwise the NINJAs never would have been able to happen, no?
>Vote for Kingcuck
>Invite all mudslimes to NA(we need more diversity MMMKAY)
>all women are raped in streets by 12 man mudslime rape parties
>men are killed for no reason
>areas in cities taken over by sand barbarians
>citizens confused how things ended up like this
I fucking hate this country.
>>69703778
I mean, anarchism is basically a system that has no state or state hierarchy; basically no rulers.
Direct democracy would count as anarchy, so Athens was to some extent an example. They had various provisions keeping most people from voting though, but you get the idea.
>>69688777
Implying poor people don't instantly blow their tax refunds on dumb shit and then struggle the rest of the year
You can't fix stupid OP, and I don't blame you for being one or them
>>69688777
>One trillion dollars (the wage gap) divided by 300 million Americans comes out to $3,333. Then you search for a useful comparison. A convenient — though perhaps unsettling — comparison is to the amount of credit-card debt carried by the average person in this country. That figure is $3,245.
You can literally ONLY pay for the debt and then be left pennyless to do anything else.
>>69703523
That is marx thinking, yes. Socialism is a step towards communism and iirc it's the point in wich Social classes are abolished. They weren't and so those states failed.
>>69703636
upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state
>>69703778
I'm not communist.
>It's simply not going to happen.
I agree with you
I don't think Marx predicts the end of war
>The moment you can claim that anarchism hasn't been tried before is because the moment they tried they were already failing at every level.
So you agree with me relating to AnCap and libertarianism. This same arguments you make agaisnt Communism can be exactly replicated to those 2 shitty systems
>>69691589
That's not grammar, that's vocabulary.
>>69704052
There are more taxes then income taxes bro ;)
>>69704284
If you only count people below the poverty line it's 45 million, making the number about 22 grand
As long as they aren't fucking retarded they can significantly improve their lives in the long run with that
>>69704352
What definition of libertarianism?
Small state, no state, Pre Rothbard socialist libertarianism?
>2038
>Live in the Free-Liberal Feminist Zone 8153XU41 of Los Angeles
>passing by Equality Enforcement Brigade checkpoint to get to work
>forgot to take my estrogen pill and insert estrogen-laced anal privilege reminder in the morning
>know I'll set off privilege checker
>missed work two times this month because of this
>don't want to lose my job so I risk it
>finally get to the front of the queue
>scanner lets out alarm
>"RAPE RAPE RAPE" it blurts out repeatedly in a loud non-offensive feminine voice
>hijab wearing racialfluid transspecies muscular midget womyn steps in front of me
>"You are in violation of the Diversity Decree of 2018, by Comrade Bernie submit to mandatory state-sponsored privilege checking!" she shouts.
>my shock collar goes off, sending me flailing to the ground in agony
>She throw me into the street where the government funded Anti-Privilege Brigade is waiting for me
>forcibly restrain me and implant a slow-release estrogen pill into my anus.
>my privilege falls out of my pockets
>>69688777
>open fridge
>it's empty
>go to store
>it's empty
>open your mind
>it's empty
>>69704579
All of them.
>>69704625
kek, the only good meme arrow story itt
>>69704625
That's pretty fucking Zen, dude.
>Empty the cup
>So your mind can be filled
>>69704665
Small state isn't too hard to achieve.
Also depends on when you consider a state small.
Both Singapore and Hong Kong have less than 20% goverment expenditure compared to GDP.
But Singapore has quite a "fascist" government when it comes to not economy related shit.
>>69704975
"too hard"
>>69704576
Oh can they? Can they build a factory and give themselves jobs? Can they create any means of production with 22 grand?
Whilst you would have the rich creating thousands of jobs that pay over 100.000 yearly to each of its employees, you will have now 45 million people with 22 grand with job growth essentially stopped, with no business skills or coordination of wealth.
It is "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man how to fish and he'll eat for a life." all over again.
Ask Soviet Russia or North Korea how giving the fish feels like for an economy.
>>69704975
My point is that libertarian and Ancap are just as utopian as communism
>>69688777
>implying Congress would allow any of this to happen
POTUS is just a glorified ambassador with veto power and access to nuclear launch codes. Nothing more.
>>69705071
>rich creating thousands of jobs that pay over 100.000 yearly
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Expected nothing better from a half nigger favela monkey
>>69704522
And what taxes would they be paying? Sales tax? Everyone has to pay that. Car registration? It's like 200 bucks. Even if you include the entirety of payroll tax, they still get more back than they paid in. That's all after they get subsidized for nearly fucking everything already. If you are poor in america you will go to school for nearly free. Free healthcare(medicaid). Free rent (section 8). Cash welfare payments. Free food via food stamps. These taking scum are robbing us fucking blind.
>>69691746
>Milton Friedman
>arguing fo
I cant even finish you are so retarded
>>69705387
9.52% of people earn around 100.000$ per year in the USA (a rate that is hard to be obtained when not working for a company).
The USA has created nearly 300.000 jobs yearly.
Let us see, 9,52% of 300.000 is 28.560.
>Twenty eight thousand five hundred and sixty, classifies as >THOUSANDs< you fucking faggot.
Even if those rates are perhaps off or not perfect in terms of the value of those jobs, they are still relevant in the sense that they show that my statement about "thousands" of jobs that make over 100.000 yearly is real.
We may be under developed, but at least we went as far as to develop a brain, you little bitch.
>>69705792
>would they be paying? Sales tax? Everyone has to pay that. Car registration?
Exactly
> If you are poor in america you will go to school for nearly free.
Tertiary education? If not it's a shocker for me that it isn't free.
>If you are poor in america you will go to school for nearly free. Free healthcare(medicaid). Free rent (section 8). Cash welfare payments. Free food via food stamps.
If it is so good, why aren't you poor?
>These taking scum are robbing us fucking blind.
So the poor are the one robbing? Ok, don't bother replying to me anymore
>OP promotes socialism/communism
But hey! Don't you know that it's been tried before with 6 gorillion deaths each time! Why would...wait a second
>OP readily admits there will be pogroms
I don't really know how to respond now.
>>69698365
But penis in vagina feels sooo gooood how stop?
>>69706512
You wouldn't know what a wealthy country is like poortugal. Every fucking thing I said is accurate about the US. Our poor are probably better off than your uppermiddle class.
>>69707182
>Our poor are probably better off than your uppermiddle class.
Maybe in the 50's, yes. Nowadays, no. You guys have a larger poverty rate then us.
>>69706512
>Exactly
You can tax, but the rich will just start placing their money in foreign firms.
>If it is so good, why aren't you poor?
Because someone has to work to pay for that so the country doesn't go broke. Because to some people being accomplished and worthy to society is something worth working for. Because we have a sense of responsibility towards our nation.
And we complain about it, because the poor of the nation do not have responsibility towards us.
Do you know who thought of "Why dont just become poor then?"?
The Soviet Union.
Turns out nations cannot be made out of beggars.
>So the poor are the one robbing?
Through the taxes they impose on the rest of the population and no obligation towards becoming less of a burden they do in fact rob us.
>>69707686
>You can tax, but the rich will just start placing their money in foreign firms.
That can easily be stopped.
>Because someone has to work to pay for that so the country doesn't go broke.´
You work for others that you don't actually know?
I'm not even responding to the ret of your post. You disgust me with your false snse of superiority
>>69708065
>That can easily be stopped
Yes it can actually, it was done before, that's called a berlin wall and the slaughter of 60 million people.
>You work for others that you don't actually know?
The poor of a nation are reliant on welfare and that is paid by me and other people like me who actually make money.
They are a deficit, and someone must sate that deficit.
So yes everyone who is not on welfare works for the people who are on welfare.
>I'm not even responding to the ret of your post. You disgust me with your false snse of superiority
That is because you cannot respond it. There is simply nothing that can be said to defend your point of view other than "muh feelings", and over here, your feelings are meaningless.
>>69707683
Portugal Median Income = 17000
US median income = 51000
Our poverty line for a single person is 60% of your median income. For a household of 3 its more than your median income. Quit your bullshit.
>>69693407
this is fake because that calculator is for monthly paycheck, not yearly salary
>>69707686
I don't get the capitalism hate. Don't these leftists know that wealth redistribution and market regulation, while good-intended, are simply not the best policies?
Every year I visit your country and buy beer and snacks from these beach vendors. Leftists may not realise it, but these guys are capitalists, plain and simple. They buy their supplies which are capital goods, they sell them to me as consumer goods, and put the labor of offering a service to me and walking the whole beach. I buy their goods and they take my money in a voluntary transaction that benefits all. They compete against other vendors by offering lower prices or small bonuses like credit. If it weren't for the fact that the beach is a public space, this would be an example of a free market.
Even the poorest of the poor can be capitalists. Hell, if that cool beer vendor didn't have 15 mouths to feed, he would probably be much better off. Regulating this market or taxing would only hurt them, like any market participant.
>>69688777
"and then I woke up from my dream"
>>69688777
GTFO PLEBBIT
>>69689028
Swedes are the cancer killing Sweden. If you faggots had kept the Nationalism along with your Socialism you would be doing alright but you faggots chose your own fate when y'all embraced multiculturalism. Sweden could be sterilizing undesirables and mercy killing retards today so I suppose that you should count yourself lucky.
>>69693407
Why the fuck are you bitching about the taxes paid by someone making $50,000 EUROS per month, $600,000 per year. WTF is wrong with you?
>>69710506
nobody with more than half of brain would agree to that, it's better to have min wage and get the rest through entrepreneurship and make a bill for "consulting", that gets taxed 17%
>>69710506
>Paying 60% of your wage in taxes
>Somehow acceptable if you are rich
I thought justice and equality were meant for everyone?
>>69688777
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bMuo0xAEn4
>>69688777
>Le 40000 dollars in health care cost xD
How about you get a job that gives health benefits you college cuck?
I work at General Dynamics and my Heath care is at least 2x better than Eurotrash hospitals and I even get Dental, which is unheard of in Britian.
>>69691865
Under that logic you think neither of our countries should have socialism.
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>>69688777
...and then I woke up.
>>69691435
Where are you getting chicken breast for $1? Even the bulk packs at Sam's Club are like $1.80/lb. I still see your point though, I cook a lot of chicken, rice and veggies for myself and I can fix a week's worth of meals in an hour or so for like $10.
The "starving poor" is a meme and is just code for lazy people.
You do realize that these "Wall St." people can just leave and form residency in a different country and their money wouldn't be taken by the IRS, right?
You also know that Sanders is constantly asking for donations on places like Reddit, right? If money was the major factor of the presidential campaign, the guac merchant would be the frontrunner of the Republican campaign. And he fell flat on his face.
And Sanders plans to tax the living shit out of the middle class.
So no, go back to riding Sanders's old soggy-ass cock. He'll probably lose the nomination anyway.
"If you're white, you don't know what it's like to live in a ghetto, you don't know what it's like to be poor..."
Fucking nigger-loving communist socialist cuck. Go back to your cucktopia.
>>69688777
what about foreign policy? national security? the military? governing a country isn't all about economics and gibsmedats
