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Libertarian Debate tonight on Fox Business Network, hosted by John Stossel.
Candidates on stage are:
John MacAfee
Austin Peterson
Gary Johnson
https://twitter.com/govgaryjohnson
https://twitter.com/officialmcafee
https://twitter.com/ap4lp
https://twitter.com/Garfield_Kart
Streams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ELB5DL2kM
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1251429410001/fox-business-network/?#sp=watch-live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8DnxyZsqLc (currently down)
Preview clip:
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4825509574001/libertarian-presidential-candidates-talk-top-issues-on-stossel/?#sp=show-clips
The debate is prerecorded.
>>69637586
get in here! ! ! ! !
Let's do this
AP4LP!!!
>>69638154
Not really sure if I like AP that much. Feel like he's the best choice but he's a total dick. That makes me both like him and not....
Who /gary/ here?
t-minus 90 seconds
LET'S DO THIS
HERE WE GO!!!
>5 m
I'm here I guess
>>69638462
shit just started on the Fox Business site but the youtube streams are fucked rn. Anybody find more streams? I'll look. Johnson opening statement right now
>>69637586
>mfw no replies
kek
memes
>>69638591
>>69637586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_0iQJq0sNc
Another stream. They are running it 6 minutes of Fox for some reason
Thanks, OP. I completely forgot about the debate.
Who /AP4LP/ here?
lol I'm surprised /pol/ cares this little
>>69638815
it means literally fucking nothing
>>69638815
>wasting your time watching literally who's debate over who has more than a 1% chance at being president
John McAfee for prostitution.
I can get behind that.
Austin Peterson = strait up faggot
>>69638815
We have Trump. We love Trump. We don't want anyone else besides Trump.
>>69638796
Feeling better about him after his recent interview with Lions of Liberty. Just noticed I fucked up his name in the OP. Unenthusiastic applause
>>69638910
>>69638896
>>69638948
Only a couple minutes in and I'm agreeing with you guys :(
Austin Petersen is the founder of The Libertarian Republic, CEO of Stonegait, and candidate for President of the United States.
Austin Petersen’s philosophy is that of a classical liberal, in the style of our third President Thomas Jefferson: fiscally conservative, and socially tolerant. Austin will fight to restore limited government values, and help create jobs by lowering barriers to entry into the marketplace.
Taking Over Government To Leave Everyone Alone
http://austinpetersen2016.com
Meet 2016 Presidential Candidate Austin Petersen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMfq50y6uOU [2:26]
Here’s Why Austin Petersen Should Be the Libertarian Party’s Presidential Nominee
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/why-austin-petersen-should-be-the-libertarian-party-presidential-nominee/
Would you like to know more?
Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate Austin Petersen's Platform Explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEluv14XKIQ [45:23]
Taxes and Spending with Presidential Candidate Austin Petersen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GX1V4hZpSk [2:48]
Related: 6 Ways To Fund Public Services in a Libertarian Republic
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/6-ways-fund-public-services-libertarian-republic/
Petersen 2016 Military and Defense Policy Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_KjnAs_heE [3:40]
Libertarian Petersen offers constitutional solution to ISIS terrorism
http://www.examiner.com/article/libertarian-petersen-offers-constitutional-solution-to-isis-terrorism
What is "Free Banking?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-PUf-hArdQ [15:56]
>>69638815
/pol/ has always been good goy two party cucks
>>69638996
Im still watching it for the Mcafee lulz
austin is a meme spouting fucking retard
gary johnson can't talk
mcaffee is cool
>>69638920
I don't know about AP being a faggot. He claims to be drowning in a pyramid of pussy
This stream is so garbage
Wasn't there some poll that had Gary Johnson at 11% when up against Trump and Shillary?
>This horrible beeping noise
Dear fucking god what the fuck
BEEPING
BEEPING FOR FREEDOM
>>69639102
Better stream, no lag
http://www.baqiworld.com/2011/10/watch-fox-business-live/
>>69637586
>>69637586
Really not liking Gary Johnson all that much after he put out his anti discrimination views. As McAfee said, you do not have a right to shop there. I think I'm going to have to switch my support to him.
>>69638998
Gtfo Peterson shill
Holy audio unequalization, batman.
>>69638948
Speak for yourself, faggot. I don't want a shitty, narcissistic business as the head of our country.
BRING BACK RON PAUL.
>>69639132
Much better, thanks
>>69639132
GO HERE
>>69639032
Me too
yeah fuck this im watching an old trump debate
This is a top-quality discussion. It makes the Republican "Debates" look like bitchfests.
>>69639032
Me too. He isn't being fun though, but I'm also watching to spike their ratings to rustle the establishments feathers.
Petersen is way too fucking young
>>69638998
Best candidate out of these three but total fuccboi
MARK AND REPRISAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgadkNSw6VQ (Woods/Peterson interview)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VuyHvaqd3w (Cantwell/Peterson. Pretty funny)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg (MacAfee uninstalls malware)
>>69639175
Unfortunately Ron won't come back, neither will his son. So you support Cruz or some shit cuck?
Why does McAfee always respond with a question?
EVERYONE ASK QUESTIONS ON THEIR TWITTER
>>69639242
You do know that all of the founding fathers were all around Petersens age, right?
>>69639296
I'm just going to write in Ron Paul since he is who I agree with most even though he's not running. No compromise.
>>69639132
Thank you friend. Personally watching it thanks to Xfinity
>>69638948
I will vote for Trump if he promises to nominate Ron for SCOTUS.
>>69639175
Ron Paul isn't going to happen.
Get on the TrumpTrain
Does Stossel realize it's *2016*, not 1986?
Gary Johnson is really fading into the background. It seems that McAfee is, by far, the strongest and smartest orator on stage.
He reminds me of Abe Lincoln, no joke.
>>69639412
No. That would completely go against my principles. No compromise.
Gonna be ebun
>>69639412
Don't you have a general thread where you trumpfags belong?
>>69639412
>>69639411
This has nothing to do with Trump or his inevitable presidency. This is about the libertarian debate.
>>69639373
We really missed out with Ron Paul. Big shame, I was hoping he would run this year but I think he's just gotten too old. I would love if he was appointed onto the supreme Court
I'm not buying that they couldn't have gotten more people to attend the audience and more money to fund the program. This is bullshit. Is the party just there as a joke? Has it always been this bad?
>>69639463
I dunno. It seems like he's just trying to be counterintuitive and witty. He has a cool voice though.
>>69637586
So far wrong on military budget and drug issues.
>>69639623
The party has nearly half a million registered members. They definitely could be doing more professional.
>>69639623
Sorry, not all parties have Jews funding their debates.
Penny plan is a good idea
>>69639681
*tips statism*
>>69637586
How about a bit more warning than 10 minutes next time, asshole.
>>69639367
You do know that you sound like a cunt when you start a sentence with "you do know," right?
Just say what you want to say.
>>69639463
>He reminds me of Abe Lincoln, no joke.
This triggers the Libertarians.
>>69639775
>not knowing at least a day in advance
The questions this moderator is asking comes off as insecure
PPL SAY LIBERATIRANS ARE XXX IS THIS TRUE???
>>69639681
>F-22 and F-35 aren't money pits
>Don't have billions of dollars in acknowledged waste
>Didn't spend $100 billion in Afghanistan on reconstruction
Also that fucking whistle
That buzzer sounds like my fire alarm.
>>69639877
Stossel always plays devil's advocate.
>>69639877
It's on Fox, and mostly being watched by old Republicans. They basically are trying to justify themselves to a non-libertarian base
This debate has the faggyist buzzer in debate history.
>That fire alarm
>>69639783
>>/trumpcontainmentzone/
States don't have a right to secede, sorry. Plus - Southerners aren't people. Abe did nothing wrong.
Why dont you fags go to Somalia and live the dream?
this austin guy is a cuck
>>69638998
Get the fuck out shill, this is /trump/ country
>this stream quality
>>69639623
The LP has less than 1 percent of the population registered, the only positions it holds are lower than mayor and unlike repubs and dems they don't receive federal funding for the presidential elections, they run solely on donations. This is only our first televised debate since the party was started 30 years ago, it won't be for at least another 2 election cycles that we get more popular and hold higher power positions.
What's the guy's twitter handle again? We should tweet him to change the buzzer.
>>69640046
Better stream posted in this thread
>>69639894
Hey sub-flag bro, how do you get a city and not a state?
>>69639986
>>/trumpcontainmentzone/
Libertarians believe that a State is necessary, but that its powers should be restricted. Somalia has no state at all. Fuck off.
>>69639783
it does
>>69639775
I thought somebody would have a thread up. Literally ctrl+F and only one even had "libertarian" in the OP.
tithe tithe tithe muthafucka
Now we know what happens when you don't pay your audience to clap to a teleprompter and trigger words
John McAfee seems strong
>>69640046
http://www.baqiworld.com/2011/10/watch-fox-business-live/
BEST STREAM
>>69640048
That's actually really impressive. Thank you for the rundown.
>>69640125
Milton was a fag
>>69639132
BETTER STREAM
http://www.baqiworld.com/2011/10/watch-fox-business-live/
>>69637586
Watch on the FBN site if you have cable
>>69640110
The best public speaker, definitely
>>69637586
Fuck Gary Johnson... He called me a racist... he can suck my dick.
>>69640048
But Johnson holds an 11% voter turnout if it's Trump vs. Hillary. That's enough to get the LP recognized as a viable third party and break the bipartisan stranglehold.
Coming up. Uncomfortable personal questions.
Lol...hope they ask McAfee about his Costa Rican lolis
>>69640157
Mad commie detected
>>69640238
Kek, me a commie
>>69640207
He's also got solid executive experience. He's not my favorite of them, but I do think he could get some serious media focus in a Trump v Hillary general.
>>69640207
on a university campus strawpoll where only 50% even knew who Johnson was.
>>69640125
Friedman was a sellout DC libertarian.
>>69640203
What was the context of him calling you racist?
So what exactly are the differences between these guys. Dont they essentially all have the same platform?
>>69640327
Honestly, I think that helps the case. If people are voting for him just because he's a third option, name recognition later on could help.
>>69640092
There's only a handful of the big ones listed,check if yours is on the list:
https://github.com/flaghunters/Extra-Flags-for-4chan/tree/master/flegs
>>69640294
Hey man, I like Sowell too, even if he is a nutty neocon.
>>69640383
Not at all. Watch the debate.
>>69640327
That's good for a third party candidate, I believe.
>>69640200
>Stuart Gay
normally I would tell you to fuck off, faggot; but the libertarian in me respects your right to choose your sexuality.
>>69640125
>http://www.baqiworld.com/2011/10/watch-fox-business-live/
ty based toby <3
JUST
>>69640422
It only takes 5%, he's more than doubled that amount.
Friendly reminder that if you don't live in a swing state you should vote third party
I live in Illinois and it's going to swing blue either way, may as well try to work up to the 5% needed for federal funding
>>69640402
how can you see other people's sub-flags?
>>69640502
IL voter here. Voted Libertarian last election, will vote them again this one.
>>69640502
Agreed.
>>69640427
Thank you. Quite the get
AND THAT GAY FUCKING WHISTLE SHIT
>>69640207
In one poll of only 1000 people.
We aren't going anywhere this election, trust me. Most people view libertarians as crazy tinfoil hatters, and no one knows who Johnson even is.
If he had more mainstream name recognition we could definitely win against Trump and Hilary, on social issues Johnson could totally bring in a lot of the Bernie voters. The problem is getting the public to stop viewing third party as a wasted vote and look into the other options.
>>69640650
If we can get in to the General debates, I think we'd stand a chance.
>>69640650
I agree. I personally think that it's a bit of a red herring. Petersen is definitely the best
>>69640402
Thanks. I'm somewhere between Seattle and Pullyalup so IDK
>>69640544
https://github.com/flaghunters/Extra-Flags-for-4chan
>>69640581
>he doesn't contribute to make IL red this year
Just off yourself
Gary Johnson is the most qualified for the position... but damn. McAfee sounds pretty reasonable here.
this isn't a debate this is a joint conference
>>69640837
McAfee strikes me of the Trump of the lineup.
>>69640837
I think Johnson would be more effective at working with Congress, but McAfee really does have a great public persona
>>69640820
I voted Trump, I did my part you fuckwad. Not my fault if the GOP will eventually shoot itself in the foot and put Cruz in the general.
>>69640395
That's implying at these 11 percent are actually serious about voting for Gary Johnson rather than either sucking up and voting for one of the two parities or not voting at all. In all likelihood these people are using him as a placeholder.
If this election has taught me anything it is to be skeptical of all polls. I doubt these 11 percent, and the other people of in these polls, represent a large portion of general America. These people have access to telecommunications and are open minded enough to answer a phone call from a strange number. For example, before the Kansas election Trump was predicted to win and with a large margin. But when the election took place Ted Cruz won with 30 point landslide and Trump only one county in the state.
McAfee has totally surprised me
by leaps and bounds is the most well spoken, reasonable, and polite. Also far from pandering, he knows his principals but also respects standing by commitments huge respect for him.
>>69640896
That's what I expected before, but austin is "trying" to act like that but he is just coming off as childish, he literally interrupted and stole an answer from mcaffee at one point.
>>69641006
I like Petersen's policies best, but he doesn't seem ready at all to actually campaign on a national stage.
>>69640837
I know.
>>69640820
>continuing to vote for any wing of the statist party like a good goy
http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/libertarians/issues/nozick_slave.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxRSkM8C8z4
>>69640737
Seems doubtful.
>>69640966
Mostly what the 11% shows is that people want to have someone other than the main two parties to vote for.
Libertarian candidates GOP counterparts:
Peterson:Rubio
Mcafee:McCain
Johnson:Paul
prove me wrong. Protip, you can't
DUDE
Lol@McAfee wearing sneakers
>>69641171
Nah, McAfee is more like Trump
>>69641244
FREEDOM
>>69641171
Stossel actually acknowledge the elephant in the room!
Gary Johnson always looks and acts stone!
>>69641244
WEED
BLAZE IT
Don't kiss him....
JOHNSON CONFIRMED FOR HIGH
gay
>>69641374
This went downhill so fast. And I love MacAfee now
Holy shit. McAfee is like a fictional character.
Is the debate only for 20 more minutes?
God damn it, these are the guys that should be making headlines.
being a libertarian is like phase 2 of basic male maturity
come join us at phase 9000: National Socialism
This is a great debate. Way more entertaining than the regular ones, and informative.
>>69641477
Kek, he's like that rogue antihero
I love how laidback this debate is
>>69641477
Like. Damn.
>>69640502
That's the kind of thinking that prevents Libertarian candidates from getting elected to any meaningful positions. There is literally zero difference between the Republicans and Democrats. They may say they have different positions, but at the end of the day they are all controlled by the same people.
In the last election, there were 100 million eligible voters that chose not to vote because they viewed it as a waste. As long as people keep voting for the lesser of two evils just for the sake of being blue or red, or not voting at all, we will never get anywhere near the Whitehouse.
>>69640876
>leaf making weed jokes
Now's not the time, Syrup.
>>69641487
It's a pre-recorded 2 parter I think
>>69641508
>Socialism
>Maturity
That info on the ages of the founding "fathers" was something I didn't know. Good point.
>>69641565
wew
FREE
BABY
MARKET
Anyone over the age of 25 and still a libertarian is a retard.
Fucking hell Johnson. Well, it's not a huge issue.
>>69637586
>The debate is prerecorded.
This fucking sucks.
>nazi wedding
Johnson already self-destructing. McAfee 2016!
>libertarian against freedom of association
lolwut
Johnson, pls
>>69641773
When McAfee gets the NAP exactly right
>>69641649
Neither did I or my wife, we both kinda looked at each other in surprise.
Take that back.
Johnson=Lindsey Graham
>>69641748
I understand where he's coming from. I'd be more likely, maybe, to draw the line at things people can't help, but I'm not sure it's the right thing to do.
>>69641830
what about your wife's son?
>>69641844
Dubs of truth
>forgoing literally the most basic precept of libertarianism
wew lads this guy is an authoritarian in disguise
Hi, I'm looking for "Operation Divide Trump Vote - Hillary 2016", is it here ?
Try to get memes on the show
Johnson has gone more left the last 4 years it seems
>>69641828
I really wasn't expecting Johnson doing that. It wouldn't be wise from a market position to discriminate against anyone. Looks like he doesn't get that.
>>69641921
Yeah, man, all those trump voters interested in voting for non-interventionist, pro-choice candidates.
>>69641956
It's pre-recorded.
>>69641956
it's pre recorded m8
>>69641653
>sent from my iPhone 5 at a Sanders rally
>>69641956
It's prerecorded from a couple days ago. Part 2 at the same time next week.
>Crazy people, the debate
Love it.
>gay wedding cakes
>abortion up next
I see it's a "SJW dildos" episode.
>>69642005
>>69642014
Fucking dammit. I've been wasting my time.
>>69641889
Don't you make fun of us.
>>69637586
>John MacAfee
this guy is still alive? i thought he was KIA in Belize while doing mercenary work?
He should be Trump's vp
>>69641921
>believing libertarians will influence the election
Are you trumpfags that insecure about your candidate?
>White Christians Americans must be forced to serve a homosexual couple
Gary Johnson shills
Explain yourselves
>>69642164
No, but apparently he was tortured
reminder that being a libertarian means you support open borders and there's no such thing as a closed-border libertarian
>>69641980
I mean Peterson didn't have the NAP to fall back on, so he had to go free market. McAfee, who has said that he doesn't understand the NAP, uses the NAP to explain it (this is good). Johnson outs himself as a left-libertarian and fucking acknowledges Bernie Sanders as not all that bad on FOX.
>>69642182
No it's just that most of us know how our states will vote. Trump won every damn district in my state.
I'm voting libertarian.
>>69642250
Not true, but I do support significantly more immigration
>>69642164
No, he killed his neighbor for killing his dog then went on the run through multiple Latin America countries before coming back home to freedomland.
>>69642250
Donald-son speaks the truth
>>69642250
Paleolibertarianism. Right-libertarianism
>>69642250
But that's wrong. There would be no point in opening the borders before the welfare state is removed. It would be political and cultural suicide. If you were actually a libertarian you'd know that.
I want to like Johnson and McAfee, but they have a bunch of stances I don't agree with
>>69642250
Yes, open borders is a libertarian belief.
But ending the welfare state first is also a belief.
As is full legalization of all drugs.
So there wouldn't be any cartel members coming in, and no economic immigrants because there would be zero handouts.
FUCK JOHNSON. Egalitarian leftist fuck. "No I wouldn't take government out of it"
>>69642254
Yeah. Looks like Johnson is yet another shill. The establishment of the anti-establishment.
And now he just mentioned he supports equal pay for people. Fucking hell.
>>69642504
He's a pragmatist
>I met Austin at a gay bar.
I legitimately laughed out loud. Good stuff.
>>69637586
Ah libertarians, codeword for getting cucked and fucked in the ass by libs, jews, and fags.
>MY LE WAGE GAP!
Tsk. And I was starting to enjoy it.
What's the difference between a liberal and a libertarian?
>>69642504
He's our Duuuuudeee weeed
>Open Borders
>Equal pay for equal work
>"You can marry who or what you want"
>Her body, her choice
>DUDE WEED LMAO
there are actually people on /pol/ right now who agree with these lolbertarians. kek.
>equal pay meme
HOW IS THIS GUY A LIBERTARIAN
>>69642590
Yes
>>69642512
There is a huge leftist movement inside of libertarianism, some just to wreck libertarianism. Just listen to Lauren Southern's interview with Tom Woods
Oh man, I'm enjoying McAfee
>>69642565
Guns
>>69642489
economic immigrants would still come here to take advantage of a prosperous economy, even if they weren't given direct handouts.
But more dangerously, they would begin voting for people who don't want a free market and start shitting everything up again. Shitty people cause the welfare state, not the other way around
>>69642504
Johnson is striking me as a little too Sanderish, but he has the most governing experience. McAfee is cool but nuts. Peterson is young and a Christfag.
GARY JOHNSON SUPPORTERS
ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>69642565
one thinks 'big government' is the solution to every problem the other things 'big corporations' is
>>69642565
economics, guns, discrimination laws, drug position are more extreme
This is why no one takes us seriously as libertarians.
Really? Measles or Bladder infection? Much moronic rhetoric. Thanks for proving that all of us libertarians are retarded ideologues.
>>69642702
big corporations are supported by regulatory capture and government contracts, etc.
>>69642695
Accurate. I'd also note that Johnson probably does the best at pulling votes from both parties for that reason.
i thought gary johnson was cool and not a cuck
>>69642702
>the other things 'big corporations' is
thinks* woops
>>69637586
kinda seems like a bunch of cucks
>>69642801
True. I'm probably still voting for him.
reminder no one named 'Gary' will ever be elected president.
>>69642590
Equal pay for equal work is anti libertarian. Libertarians do not believe in government interference in the market. Under a real libertarian society, discrimination in the market would be fully legal.
Libertarians believe government shouldn't be involved in the marriage business. Gay marriage and polygamy wouldn't be outright banned, but ultimately it would be left to religions.
I already stated why open borders are not a problem above.
What right do you or government have to prevent what goes in my body?
Should beating your head against a wall also be illegal?
>>69642849
Eh, he's a bit of a cuck in some issues, but he's the most "electable" out of three.
Still think McAfee did the best.
>>69642972
"""""""""Justin""""""""
>>69642976
>I already stated why open borders are not a problem above.
except you didn't
everyone would move to the country with the best jobs and economy then shit it up by voting libertarianism away for gibs me dats
this is why people make fun of lolbertarians because they only think one step ahead at most
>>69642695
>Christfag
>>69643035
McAfee came off super cool, but I'd be a little scared of putting him in office.
>It's Who's Who of Who
>>69643060
yeah but this is CANADA
Where can I see it?
Who am I supposed to vote for?
jewtube stream is so laggy
This debate felt like a high school drama class got together and put on a Debate Show
Pretty lame, not authentic
>>69643195
Trump first, Macuhfee second
>Muh 11 percent
Libertarians truly are autistic.
GARY JOHNSON IS A PLACEHOLDER FOR PEOPLE'S DISTRUST OF THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC LIKELY NOMINEE
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. Then, I brushed my teeth with that water, filtered to standards set by the EPA and my state.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank and printed by the Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.
I park my car on the street, paved and maintained by the Department of Transportation, and put quarters issued by the United States Mint into the parking meter.
>>69643293
we know. we aren't all delusional
is it red pilled to become a libertarian?
>>69637586
>Fox Business Network
Literally an irrelevant joke network that literally no one watches.
CNBC gets 10 times the viewership
>>69643293
Yes, that seems like something we can capitalize on.
>>69643300
you're a fucking Canadian. And if you lived in the US you paid more for all of that because of government. 10/10 pasta
>>69643300
Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.
I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right. Keep government out of my Medicare!
And double magic numbers. Fuck you lobertards
I hope one of them gets on stage. Hopefully Gary. He will take so many votes from Hilary once they hear him. All of Bernie's people will flock to him and so will any other anti Establishment voters. Libertarians on stage on the debate will hand Trump a landslide victory. We must get Gary on stage.
>Austin Petersen speaks with a serious of bumper stickers
It's true.
:-(
>>69643351
only if you acknowledge its fundamental flaws first
>>69643300
>I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. Then, I brushed my teeth with that water, filtered to standards set by the EPA and my state.
>>69643351
Yes. It's the highest level of redpill.
>>69643300
Your pasta is shit.
>>69643100
If they are capable of getting here, getting a house and food and getting a good enough job to support themselves, they should be allowed to do that. Only the hard workers would be able to make it here. There would not be any social programs, unless they could fully support themselves they wouldn't last. So they just wouldn't bother coming.
>>69639411
Ron Paul could realistically only serve for like 10 years on the Supreme Court though, due to his age.
>>69643433
>>69643300
>NOBODY ELSE COULD OR WOULD EVER PROVIDE ANY OF THESE SERVICE
>>69643351
Only right-libertarianism and paleoconservatism/paleolibertarianism. Search up Chris Cantwell, Tom Woods, Tom DiLorenzo.
Definitely look up Paul Gottfried.
Good podcasts:
Lions of Liberty
Tom Woods Show
Jason Stapleton Program
ContraKrugman
Ron Paul Liberty Report
and read mises.org
>>69643461
Kennedy is great
>>69642590
>>Equal pay for equal work
This is the dumbest meme ever. There are already federal laws in place that outlaw pay discrimination. What actually happens is that on average women take a lot more time out of the job market than men.
>>69639321
Jesus did this.
It is literally and historically the best debating tactic.
It's not ad hominem, it's just rephrasing a why with a better why.
>>69643300
>>69643433
then you sat home and clapped as your president issued orders for drone strikes on some brown people somewhere
your skin melted off from the lead in your water
nice shitpost
also, stopped reading after 1 sentence
>>69643830
hilariously, if those laws didn't exist libertarians would love it
they would hire exclusively women to cut the cost of businesses down without a second thought
>>69643706
Except when she interrupts the people she interviews with rhetoric that lacks substance and makes her look ignorant and stupid.
Look up her interview with Ron Paul.
>>69643511
I think Rothbard would be a better representation of libertarianism than Milton
daily reminder that John Stossel is a JEW using Libertarianism to undermine American sovereignty and deceive autistic Whites into supporting open borders, free trade, and the cancer of globalism
>>69643935
agreed
FREE
BABY
MARKET
Shit, I missed it
Anything good?
>>69643634
Dave Smith's Part of the Problem podcast is pretty good as well. Also reason.com seems like a good news source
>>69643935
There are different types of libertarianism. The spectrum, from anarchist to minarchist to classical liberal goes like this:
Rothbard - Mises - Hayek - Friedman
They are all libertarians though.
>>69644079
Human trafficking: baby edition.
>>69644225
It's a spectrum.
Like autism.
>>69644269
reminder that libertarians would have zero issue with child prostitution as the '''free market''' would just fix it
>>69643917
I have and when she tried to debate a few bernie supporters awhile ago I think she could have done better, but generally she's pretty good
>>69643491
So you're happy with your water? That's great.
>>69643830
Come work for me. 2$ an hour and youll be free from the shackles of your family. You have to bring your own food until we can free up a bed. Lots of people "move on" so don't worry. Don't take the socialist roads either. Having a jet is one of the hiring requirements
Is it even possible for America to survive after fighting the banks and globalism?
>>69644350
This really isn't the case for most libertarians. The market is the best way to do a lot of things, but protecting people from outside harm is generally considered to be the role of the government, and children, especially, need that protection.
>>69644350
The recognized age of adulthood is 18.
You cannot give consent until you are an adult.
So no, child prostitution would not be legal.
>>69644457
>believing the le evil globalism meme
>>69644350
No I wouldn't
>>69644079
This was actually a thing not that long ago, poor families sold their children into more well off ones or into labour.
>>69644350
>implying you have the right to do stuff like that underage
>>69644493
then you're not a libertarian you're just a capitalistic conservative
>>69644393
Nah, I think I can find a better job offer than that. You'll have to offer better if you want a competent employee.
>>69644606
That's not true. You are just wrong.
>>69644511
that's a legal construct
the government should stay out of deciding when the age of adulthood is
>>69644511
I'm free to recognize who as I want as an adult. Are you going to be non non aggressive with me for buying what I want on an open market? Are you a fucking statist
Why are all the candidates so shitty?
>>69644599
>>69644511
who is going to enforce the laws if there's no state funded police?
>w-w-we would have state funded police!
then it's not a libertarian state.
>>69644651
Nope, libertarians generally don't believe that. There is a difference between libertarianism and anarchy, and if you can't tell the difference you're probably a zika baby.
Thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcUZrDX5P7A
>>69644620
>That's not true. You are just wrong.
Do you have a job or do you live like ayn?
>>69644651
this
'''libertarians''' are basically people who think they can pick and choose which government services they dislike
>>69644679
Nope
>>69644606
ebin troll
Fuck off snek
>>69644794
Self-employed, friend.
>>69644772
I guess it really depends on how bad your autism is.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0042366
>>69644772
>>69644798
>muh libertarianism isn't like that libertarianism!
congratulations, you're the right-wing equivalent of a communist supporter
>>69644679
I don't think you understand libertarianism. Please refer to this post:
>>69644225
>>69639968
Abraham Lincoln was literally a Military Dictactor, and a Julius Caesar candidate.
Literally why he had to be killed.
Tyranticide, and Justice.
>>69644797
>>69644884
Libertarians believe that the government's role should be minimized, and while they differ to the extent, they consistently believe the government does have a role in society. I don't know why you can't see that.
>>69644886
>please refer to what I said
>I'm smart
>I went to public school
/pol/s a military state Board. You have to leave
>>69644952
>Libertarians believe that the government's role should be minimized,
aka 'we should pick and choose what the government does because I demand my tax dollars stop funding things I don't use :((('
>>69644952
Ancaps are a type of lolbert tho
>>69645024
Literally everybody's positions are about picking and choosing what the government should do. You're not clever
>>69644350
It's knowing that libertarians would agree with that on principle of the free market is why could never call myself a libertarian even though I lean their way much more than they would like. I'm not sure what I am to be honest. I agree with Austin Petersen on the federal level, Gary Johnson on the state level, and Rand Paul on the local level. I'm not a clear cut, muh NAP, libertarian. And libertarians certainly let me know when I tell them my political beliefs despite the World's Smallest Political Quiz says I am and it is libertarians, particularly from the Libertarian Party, who advocate that quiz. Enough with the bait and switch.
>>69644679
You do realize that minarchists favor police, courts, and fire protection, right? Most libertarians fall into the minarchist category
>>69645024
Yeah, and I'm sure you're perfectly consistent with whichever political ideology you ibelieve in
>>69645024
No. The state has a certain limited role to play because like any institution it has limitations and costs.
>>69644079
He's wasn't infallible, however, most of his views align well with libertarian thought
http://strawpoll.me/7254050
>>69644651
No, it is a social construct.
>>69644658
You are not free to bully anyone. That breaks the NAP. Punishing and preventing other from breaking the NAP is totally okay.
>>69644679
Yes it is. Taxation is not anti libertarian, forced taxation through coercion is anti libertarian. The majority consensus amongst libertarians is there would be a voluntary taxation to fund the state and state services like police and roads, and those who opt out will not be allowed the use of those services.
>>69644884
>pointing out that libertarianism isn't a monolithic philosophy makes you the same as the communists
I don't think you get why we make fun of communists for the "muh specific brand of communism"
>>69645119
>You do realize that minarchists favor police, courts, and fire protection, right?
government interfering with the free market, I have a right to run a private police force and tax dollars should not subsidize another one
>>69644225
As far as economics go though I find it odd that a libertarian wouldn't be more inclined to agree with the Austrian school of thinking
>these bitches on fox
Jesus christ
>not paying income tax means that they don't pay a single dollar on our defense
>>69645309
You may find some libertarians who believe this. They're not the majority. You're basically just building up strawmen for no reason
If only the Libs weren't weak on immigration...
>>69645309
You know it's within the States' powers to set those up and they don't interfere with you setting up any of those yourself?
>>69645277
She's selling I'm buying. Why don't you call the police if you don't want kids having sex? Who's gonna pay the police? How is she gonna eat?
>how will the cops drive to the park
>>69645388
so you're okay with the government shitting on the free market as long as it's something you want?
>>69645309
That's what ancaps would argue, but not most libertarians. Why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp?
>>69645277
>The majority consensus amongst libertarians is there would be a voluntary taxation to fund the state and state services like police and roads, and those who opt out will not be allowed the use of those services.
>implying that's true
>implying the NAP is anything but impractical autism
>not just being a small government pragmatist
>>69645416
If the government offers it for '''free''' at the tax payers expense, then how does that not harm the free market?
any form of government service is intruding upon the free market including police.
>>69645469
I'm okay with the government shitting on the free market as long as it's doing so to protect its citizens from obvious threats, like criminals and foreign powers. This is really basic stuff, man.
>>69645469
Minarchists are Lockeans who think that the government providing protection is legitimate. You can argue that they're wrong, but not that they don't exist
>>69645527
So what about starvation? Is that an obvious threat?
What about housing?
Or because you weren't born poor it doesn't matter to you?
Why should the police get subsidized and not housing or food?
>>69645527
Statist cuck. I eat lead laced knock off cheerios back in Somalia. True libertarian paradise. I was testing you. You'll never get that e-vite now
>>69645441
I already a dressed police above.
An argument can be made that child prostitution is done with coercion. What you people seem to not understand is libertarianism is not anarchism. We would still have laws and police to uphold them, child prostitution would absolutely not be allowed.
>>69645523
>lol libertarian means absolutely no government!
Please stop
>>69645277
"Voluntary taxation" is a subscription to a private party. Taxation is, and always has been, an involuntary fee imposed by a state.
>>69645659
>>69645689
>muh government services
>>69645625
Because literally no one goes hungry in a free market society. Every stat you see on 'hunger' in America is bullshit, and there are more than enough charities to take care of those who can't take care of themselves. I contribute to those charities, because private entities should do what they can.
>>69645736
If taxation is theft, where do you plan to get the money to support government services, and why do you get to pick the services?
>>69645090
You can be a "libertarian" without "muh NAP". But Libertarianism technically starts with Rothbard. Nobody is a perfect libertarian, just like no Catholic is a perfect Catholic. And most of us aren't as bad as Chris "I agree with the church but abortion is fine" Matthews
>>69645828
>Because literally no one goes hungry in a free market society.
Yes, and nobody gets robbed in a free market society because private police exist.
That's how dumb your argument is.
>>69645469
Protecting it's citizens is one of the very few roles of government. The police are not the market, they are government protection. If you want to open up your own agency that protects people, go ahead. But we aren't getting rid of the police.
>>69645863
The people should decide where their taxes go, if it's towards a police force, so be it
Please stop being an idiot and thinking I have to believe X since I'm a libertarian
>>69645863
>why do you get to pick the services?
Because my party was elected in. I'm in favor of democracy on top of libertarianism.
>>69645914
I'm just stating facts. No one is dying of starvation in America, and there are tons of options for anyone struggling. You can ignore reality if you want.
>>69645983
So you're a protectionist?
>>69645625
You really should learn the basics of a philosophy before you spend an entire thread making retarded arguments. Libertarians believe that aggression against others is wrong and that if the state should exist, it should protect people and their property from aggression. Starving doesn't fall under aggression and is something that libertarians believe should be dealt with by non-state actors
>>69645024
How about this.
The Government doesn't need to be extreme on everything, the money should be spent to the absolute minimum and the major influence on jobs should be the Free Market, not the government.
However, they don't believe that the government can't be used in times of crisis or distress.
They also believe in funding a powerful national military (Not Ron Paul, though)
Reagan was the closest to Libertarian in the 20th Century, that's why he's revered among them. Even though he wanted to ban guns.
>>69645828
most of those stats include malnurishment. Which might have to do with the state control (through regulation) of food markets making it difficult for either cheap or quality food to be produced by farmers. Some guys were recently on Tom Woods Show talking about it
>>69645863
You can have a lottery. Also, original constitutional taxes such as excise taxes (think gas tax) aren't nearly as bad as direct income tax or payroll tax (probably the worst tax)
Lolberts are crippled by autism, no sense in arguing with them.
They will continue to cuck our nation out to globalist interests right up to the bitter end.
The entire 'libertarianism' project was designed from the ground up to turn America into a third-world nation ripe for plunder.
>>69645388
Mises.org and friends would disagree. They are the intellectual vanguard to libertarianism and they all say no government is preferred, and even recommended, and the free market is infallible.
Do you want to know why people are "building up strawmen" on libertarians? It's because the majority truly are like this. On /pol/, on /r/libertarian, on Ron Paul Forusm, on Mises.org, on LewRockwell.com., on TomWoods.com., on YouTube, etc. Hell, we witnessed tonight on the Libertarian debate.
>>69645983
What do you consider 'protection'?
I think citizens should be protected from harmful chemicals i.e, I just made an argument for the FDA, EPA, Section 8, ....
>>69646020
>No one is dying of starvation in America,
We're also not a libertarian society you idiot
>>69646029
>conflating trade and the police
>>69646010
So you're happy with the current system then.
>>69645914
Death by starvation is unheard of in any society that has actually undergone industrialization and has a functioning market. People only really starve to death in pre-capitalist subsistence societies.
>>69646029
I am a libertarian. I am a minarchist. I believe in a tiny government whose main role is to represent and protect its people. Why is this so hard for you autistic fucks to understand?
>>69646141
They're protecting the people. What the fuck else is that? Are you a white knight?
>>69646083
It's not a retarded argument. A nation that helps protect its people from starvation is more likely to survive as a whole than a nation that does no such thing for its people.
Do you even fascism?
>>69646120
Please look up Paul Gottfried and stop pretending as though libertarians are zionist puppets trying to impose a globalist egalitarian utopia. That's the Republican/Democrat (the socialist spectrum) agenda
>>69646319
The term 'protectionism' in politics is generally only used for a particular type of trade policy.
>>69646290
>libertarian
>minarchsit?
>believe in democrats
>I'm the one with autism.
Fuck off
>>69646326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6InUaGbtw8k&index=87&list=WL
Listen at 37:00
>>69646418
Hen what are the police protecting? And how violent are they being with dissenting robbers?
>>69646321
And the best way to protect people from starving is allowing the market to thrive. Communist states supposedly protect people from starving, and how is the survival rate for communist nations? Even your fascist states don't tend to last very long and usually end after a single leader.
>>69646139
I also believe in the FDA and protection from harmful chemicals and protection from pollution.
Pollution and dumping of waste is harmful to other people, and so it marketing a dangerous item as safe. Therefore both break the NAP and would be made illegal.
>>69646165
Do you comprehend the difference between believing in democracy and having opinions on what a government should do in a democratic society?
>>69646660
You said the people should decide what their taxes do, and that's exactly what's happening.
>>69646441
>arguing against a philosophy when you don't even know the basic definitions
Minarchist is what libertarians are. Minarchy is a minimum government, as opposed to anarchy which is zero government. You aspies can't seem to differentiate from the two.
>>69646741
You are being willfully ignorant here. I believe the people should decide, yes. But I also believe that my opinions on what the government should do are correct. So, I try to convince the people that I'm write and to put the money toward certain purposes. Am I satisfied with what they've decided thus far. Not entirely. But that doesn't mean I think we should discard with democracy either.
Is that simple enough for you?
>>69642182
Yes. Insecurity is fine in politics. It's not about whether or not you think your candidate is the best; it's about whether or not they're going to win.
>>69646741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxRSkM8C8z4
http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/libertarians/issues/nozick_slave.html
>>69646891
>implying I give a fuck
I'm home alone on a Friday browsing pol. Fuck you
