Besides millioms of victims to crimes like mass deportations, censorship and forced labor, among others.
Let us never forget the horrors of his brutal red regime.
60 million is a gross overstatement.
The thing with commie death tolls is that many people who "disappeared" never actually existed in the first place. They were made up names put on lists, because in a centrally planned economy like Stalin's USSR or Mao's China, that meant more resources allocated to a certain community.
I figure it was 20 million at most.
>>69629640
I knew m Stalin was hiding out in Argentina.
>>69629745
>>69629640
Whoops I mean Croatia.
>>69629792
Kek. That was Hitler.
>>69629640
But who made those lists?
>>69629792
> mfw you point out a huge flaw in Stalin's socialist society and say he killed 20 million people and only to get accused that you are him
>Still believing in the holodohoax
>>69630151
> But who made those lists?
Bureaucrats. It was pretty obvious in China, where the population suddenly dropped by millions after the government announced it would no longer be rationing wheat according to population.
>>69630465
To be fair, the author of this book claiming the Holodomor to be a product of nazi propaganda thanks the Ukrainian Jewish community for providing him with relevant information.
>>69630513
I had never heard this, thanks for the info. Do you have any source to read more about it?
>>69628779
What kind of people did the Bolsheviks kill were they mixed race or white
>>69630465
How is it a hoax?
>>69631045
Because hare brained hohol nationalists push it also western government lately.
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-famine-monument-erected-in-washington/27174009.html
Follow the money.
>>69630751
I actually heard it first from an anecdote told in the Europarliament by a brilliant old Pole called Janusz Korwin-Mikke.
Then I just figured out that it's a good explanation as to why there are such huge differences between records and various estimates.
>>69631284
But when the government said "we're not giving food based on population anymore", why did they discard those lists, making the numbers drop? That would imply admitting that they were lying about the numbers. The most logical thing would be following along and to keep acting as if the lists were real.
>>69631201
That doesn't explain how it supposedly wasn't real.
>>69630757
I assume white, since most people in the USSR were white. Why?
Literally the population of france
>>69631869
>That doesn't explain how it supposedly wasn't real.
Wait a second, you've retarded neonazis from western ukraine crying about muh holodomor on state department payroll and you still believe it?
Lol, you're naive.
Read this book.>>69630738
>>69628779
Let us not forget that FDR and the "Great Generation" prevented Hitler from defeating and unseating Stalin.
>>69630757
Ukrainians are polonized/russified turkics. You can see the eastern influence in the vocabulary, customs and behaviour.
They werent people when they were sent to finland halfstarved, unequipped, unmotivated and basically conscripted and forced to fight in a phony war before the real war.
They werent human when they got sent to Afganistan to do the same.
But when you want to, they are human.
Peace of shit hypocrites, all of you,
I hope you all jump hoping for a net to catch you, but there is no net, because you will never EVER be millionaires like you were taught that you will be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tgQ75GxAZk
>suka blyat have muh condolences, and this monument you will never look at
>mfw we allied with the soviets
>mfw we gave the soviets lend lease and they used it to invade finland
>mfw we gave half of Europe to a brutal totalitarian regime
Patton was right, we fucking lost World War II
>>69631869
>johnathan
wtf
>>69631201
I don't think it's the famine itself that is dubious, it's whether or not it was engineered on purpose or just happened because communism sucks.
And even if it was engineered, what for? It doesn't make sense that it was to make these territories less Ukrainian, since the vast majority of people in them are Ukrainian to this day, and the famine was also present in large parts of Russia. Was it the party creating a problem only to be able to give itself praise for solving it? I'm sure they could have figured out a way to blame the kulaks without decimating the country's population.
If I had to make a bet, I'd say it was just good old commie incompetence.
>>69631869
It wouldn't necessarily imply they were lying. Maybe the people died or went away. It's easy to get lost in a bureaucracy as huge as that of a communist country. Keeping them on the lists couldn't get them anything, but put them at risk of getting caught lying to the government.
Might be that the change of policy was caused by the government knowing that everyone was doing this shit and that going after them would be more trouble than it's worth.
>>69628779
Do you have any proofs to substain your claims, filthy liberal faggot?
Why only 'million'? Why not 'billion' or 'quatrazilion'?
>>69632042
>Implying people who believe in it are "retarded neonazis".
Such butthurt ad hominem fallacy, wow.
>>69632280
>Turkics
What? Show me a picture of Ukrainians looking remotely like that.
stalin was a false prophet and trotsky should have been lenin's successor
>>69632512
Reminder that holodohoax wasfake.
>>69632512
>it's whether or not it was engineered on purpose or just happened because communism sucks
It happened because Russia has always been shit at producing food. Even the agrarian Russian Empire had constant famines claiming millions of lives per year.
The only difference of famine of 1932 is that it was also multiplied by Stalin's "Guns over butter" doctrine and butthurt kulaks, thus making it as bad as it was.
By the way, it also struck Siberia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, but only khohols managed to go full-jew and turn it into some sort of Holocaust 2.0.
>>69631045
Becaus 'holodomor' never happened!!!
>>69632979
>Criticizing Stalin makes you a liberal
>>69633223
Why does Stalin have such a high approval rating among Russians? Are you fed that much propaganda?
>>69632280
Ukrainians are Rus with some Polish and Turkic influence. The Turkic influence diminished greatly since the times of the cossack revolts, I'd say it's barely present now.
The Turkics who controlled Ukraine before Russia and Poland had basically no settlements there, so except for the Crimean tatars, they didn't stick around.
>>69633413
Stalin was briliant man who had done lots of cool shit.
>>69628779
Honestly i dont see a problem with him putting people in gulgags
they shouldnt have commited a crime if they couldnt do the time
>>69633538
Why the Jewish Elite Hates Donald Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV2GhOkQ1yY
If sixty gorillion were killed where all the mass graves? At least jews came up with a better story with gas chambers and ovens to cover up their lies.
>>69633538
So if I get the picture straight, there are no more airplane, tractor and car factories in Russia, and no power plants either?
>>69633538
First Balt I see with a positive opinion on Soviet Union.
>>69633674
More or less,yes.
>>69633550
yeah when that "crime" is having more than about $300 worth of property or telling jokes about the regime
or being part of whatever ethnic group of the week was being accused of treason
>>69633223
Guns over butter was a thing way back in '32? I understand that you had some squabbles with the Japs over in Siberia, but was it that serious that you would prioritize weapons over food?
>>69632512
>it was just good old commie incompetence.
Nothing to do with communism or even incompetence, famines were just a part of life before the green revolution. They still happen in poor countries that don't enjoy the benefits of modern agriculture.
>>69634152
>>69634179
Nice sources.
>>69631284
Right, so no viable sources or research. Thanks.
>>69633752
Some guy probably dropped some bricks on his head from his scaffold while they were building the wall.
I watched this documentary that I accidentally found few days ago.
I recommend you watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mlw2mlf35Y
>>69634869
JOOZ
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>>69632345
Patton should have been allowed to destroy the Soviet military once Germany had capitulated. Would have saved the world 40 years under the threat of mutual nuclear annihilation.
>>69634092
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Russia
Russia produced 1,895,474 cars in 2014, as opposed to 2 million in 1987, when they were producing for the entire USSR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_industry_of_Russia
The aircraft industry still seems to exist, it is kind of a problem that many of the old soviet plants were built outside of Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Tractor_manufacturers_of_Russia
Tractor factories still exist, obviously.
In short, your pic is full of shit!
>>69634758
kek
>>69634869
Ignoring the fact that 99 percent of communists were non Jews
Ignoring communists in Vietnam, Korea, China, Cuba and millions of other comrades all over the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlFHPljOQxs
>>69634221
>an unironic lithuanian commie
be honest, you are just an ethnic russian vatnik living in lithuania, aren't you?
either that or a jew
>>69628779
>his own people
Stalin wasn't Russian
>>69635006
or, you know
the rosenbergs could have just not handed them the keys to the deadliest weapons on earth
>>69635081
Kindergarden level post.
>>69634995
>One of the guys he orders to fight nazis is a nazi
How...?
>>69635155
Seriously my first post was shiting on pootin and contemporary Russia.
>>69635111
good goy
>>69635279
so you are a jew, then
seeing as you are so desperate to defend them from the charge of being communists (though you think communism is good)
>>69632345
The other option was joining the side that bombed us and was even more brutal and totalitarian.
>>69635220
The point of the image to show how crapitalist media turns people on each other. He doesen't tell nazis to fight nazis, he tells liberals to fight nazis and then tells nazis to fight liberals,
>>69629640
It was 169 gorillion you godless communist
>>69635349
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZZZZZ
>>69635336
>crapitalism
>not jewish
>>69635336
Ebin
>>69635438
So you're claiming nazism to be an instrument of capitalism?
>>69635521
yeah, i'm sure of it
>>69634593
It's a hypothesis, I'm not exactly in the position to go digging through the old Soviet and Chinese archives and matching them to physical remains.
>>69635204
I know commies and evidence don't get along very well, but seriously, since when is posting a bunch of sources which refute your claim kindergarten-tier?
Unless you went to a very advanced kindergarten for course.
>>69635625
> Blaming the Jews is stupid.
> Goes on to use Jewish support for capitalism as an argument against it.
>>69635352
west europe would be white and the usa would too as they would not have seen any wrong in inducing decline in nonwhite population.
The whole muh luburty muh freedums thing put us all in this crappy third world world. Fuck this conception of freedom.
>>69635803
Yes, crapitalists feed nationalism to scapegoat problems caused by crapitalism on other people.
>>69635838
Nigga you post wiki sources without any context or any care to point to specific details. You can just read wiki page on Soviet economy to see how powerfull it was and on Russian economy to see how it only depends on natural resources. Africa tier.
>>69633413
>Turned Russia from agrarian shithole into industrialized shithole
>Stopped retarded Trotskists from trying to push their "Worldwide revolution" bullshit
>Purged Jews and traitors from the government and military in 1937-1938
>Wrecked Germany and conquered half of Yurop
>Basically layed the foundation for all future Russian scientific success
>B-but muh 60 gorllion Russians who were sent in the GULag
Friendly reminder that modern Russia has almost the same amount of convicts per 100K citizens as 1937's Soviet Union, while having only half of its population.
By this logic I should have KGB knocking on my door now.
>>69634179
>"We are lagging behind the advanced countries in 50-100 years. We must cover this distance in 10 years. Either we do it or they crush us"
Excerption from the Stalin's speech on the Soviet Union's First Conference of Socialist Workers
February 4th, 1931
>>69636004
> Goes on to use Jewish support for capitalism as an argument against it.
Is your IQ like monkeys?
The point of image not to argument agaisnt it, the point of argument to show that claiming that Jews are pro communism is ridiculaus when all evidence show that they were always pro crapitalism
>>69636101
The economy of the USSR also depended on natural resources, all the consumer products you made were something people bought because they had no other choice. If they were worth paying for, people would have kept on buying them and the industries would have survived.
Also, read up on some of those sources, even in Soviet times your car industry only satisfied 45 % of domestic demands, despite huge advantages over competitors.
>>69636264
You claimed that capitalism is Jewish.
>>69635625
The differences between capitalist and communist Jews are that the communist ones killed a lot more people than Rand, Rothbard and Friedman.
>>69635521
lithuanians are known jews u filthy kike
Communism was originally called "Jewish Bolshevism."
“The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a NEW ORDER IN THE WORLD. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, became a reality all over the world.” ~ The American Hebrew Sept. 10, 1920.
https://ia801703.us.archive.org/13/items/RussiaNo.11919--ACollectionOfReportsOnBolshevismInRussia1.ed./Russia_No.1_1919--A_Report_On_Bolshevism_In_Russia.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP18DvPFn9w
We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish (Israeli Ynet News)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
Vladimir Putin said: "80 to 85% Jews in 1st Soviet Government." (When they set up the first commie government, out of the 545 commissars, 477 were Jews and most of the others were married to Jews.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6p1zxKnDeM
“Some call it Communism, I call it JUDAISM.” ~ Rabbi S. Wise, The American Bulletin, May 5, 1935. (Judaism is nothing but disguised, camouflaged Communism.)
The Gulag Archipelago II was written by Nobel Prize Winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Pictured on page 79 of the Gulag Archipelago II are the leading administrators of the GREATEST KILLING MACHINE in the history of the world, the "Gulags", where over 65 million eastern european christians were exterminated. They are Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Genrikh Yagoda, and Naftaly Frenkel. ALL SIX ARE JEWS.
THE SECRET HOLOCAUST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCan8CDuDMQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRVDFf3CNF8
>>69636213
>purged jews
i was here all the time stupid goyim
>worldwide revolution is retarded
it's utopia yes but not retarded
>>69636954
>The differences between capitalist and communist Jews are that the communist ones killed a lot more people than Rand, Rothbard and Friedman.
>>69636954
>The economy of the USSR also depended on natural resources, all the consumer products you made were something people bought because they had no other choice. If they were worth paying for, people would have kept on buying them and the industries would have survived.
Souces pl0x
>Also, read up on some of those sources, even in Soviet times your car industry only satisfied 45 % of domestic demands, despite huge advantages over competitors.
Industry was growing every year
>>69637026
>>69637053
>>69628779
> 60 million people killed by a tyrant
This is propaganda. If you want see real numbers read Viktor Zemskov's articles. He is one of the few who worked with authentic archival data.
http://actualhistory.ru/2008060101
>>69629640
impeccably sourced post, good show
only 20 million? wow, they're practically saints
>>69637495
pls translate the key parts of that article anon kun
>>69629640
I love how people can throw numbers around like MILLIONS without any care or thought.
>>69637163
I don't get it. Are you implying that Kentucky Fried Chicken is as bad as communism?
>>69637160
As far as I know, Russia wasn't quite fit to lead a world revolution in the 1920s, Stalin certainly seems to have been more pragmatic than Trotsky.
>>69637295
Check any list of Soviet exports for a source on that.
Industry was growing every year... until it wasn't.
>>69637751
Why do you think it was my intention to present Stalin in a positive light?
The 60 million number is ridiculous, I think all but the most biased of historians would agree with me here.
>>69637026
>Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
>The guy who was selling his own fellow countrymen to NKVD in hopes of getting bonuses from commies
>Admitted that his works were actually attempts of "examing the reality through the means of artistic creativity"
>Hated even by people who went through the GULag
Opinion discarded
>>69637160
Yes, good goyim, better grab a rifle and go fight those pesky capitalists from the West!
>>69628779
*tips fedora*
The government is your friend.
He only killed about a million in his purges, then another few million if you consider the starvation of certain places and war crimes against Germany. He also took a peasant nation destroyed by civil war and turned it into the world's second strongest country with hydrogen bombs and spaceflight capability. He was a ruthless administrator, against degeneracy, a ruthless military leader.
>>69638256
I hear this stuff about Solzhenitsyn a lot, got any sources to read up on it?
If that many died there's no way the USSR could've triumphed in WW2.
>>69638384
>He also took a peasant nation destroyed by civil war and turned it into the world's second strongest country with hydrogen bombs and spaceflight capability
Also this. Massive cunt but he got shit done.
>>69632345
can't help but agree
fucking zionist shill churchill
>>69632512
>Was it the party creating a problem only to be able to give itself praise for solving it?
no you idiot, people stop working hard if you remove their incentive
>>69629640
My bet is for 6 millions.
>mfw in my country the national socialist party is forbidden
>mfw the communist party is allowed
>mfw the communist party thinks Pinochet was the worst dictator ever and does everything they can to censor Pinochet supporters
>mfw when Kim Jong Il died the communist party sent their condolences to NK
I just want the liberal faggots to die soon.
>>69635111
>Ignoring the fact that 99 percent of communists were non Jews
kek
not the leadership though? huh?
google kaifeng
>>69636213
>Jewel Schultz
oy vey
>>69637026
good post
also this http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_Communism_(copy_of_deleted_Wikipedia_article)
>>69638215
>Why do you think it was my intention to present Stalin in a positive light?
>
>The 60 million number is ridiculous, I think all but the most biased of historians would agree with me here.
because you cut the official number in three?
lessening the crimes by 2/3rds?
>I think bla bla people agree bla
who cares what the fuck yo uthink, commie, tard, what can you prove? faggot
>>69628779
Faggot commie teenagers need to educate themselves on something else but neo-soviet russian propaganda and read stuff like the gulag archipelago, i am sure you would have loved stalin for putting you in slaving camp for 20 years because you happened to be blamed for wracking or just sneezed the wrong way
but beyond all stupidity is their main argument - ooh but he didn't actually kill 60 million, he just killed 20 or 30 million! bolsheviks were good boys they dindu nuffin, now give us your property for dem collective state capitalists
>>69638449
http://www.compromat.ru/page_12899.htm
If you don't mind Russian texts, here's a good reading about him selling info about other convicts to GULag officials.
>>69639256
lmao this is obviously defamation because he was through the system and exposed it through and through, it shows perfectly how subhuman russians can be
>>69638950
>because you cut the official number in three?
Who made them official. Are they based on anything (because they are clearly opposite demographic statistics of this period)?
>>69638677
To be fair, Russia did have quite a few famines before the commies, despite an abundance of arable landscape.
>>69638950
60 million isn't anyone's official number. Even the Black Book Of Communism places the number of victims in the entire Soviet Union throughout its existance at 20 million.
>>69639256
Thanks.
Roll for name
>>69639361
>>69639434
I don't suppose anyone cares about the death toll, as long as the jewish leaders were doing ok
>>69640138
>I don't suppose anyone cares about the death toll
So you can pull any numbers out of nowhere to prove some stupid points (like Stalin was the same if not worse then Hitler,etc.) good call.
>>69640436
oh god, an actual jewish kike bolshevik commie
probably dines on foreskins and baby penus blood
>>69640717
The eternal Anglo strikes again.
Seriously, other than OP's pic, where did you get the 60 million number?
>>69640717
It's always fan to listen, how some uneducated foreigners cares about our grate-father's suffers from Stalin's regime, and than go completely russophobic if you don't agree with them.
It's our history, faggot. If you are about to teach us about it - please, check your facts first.
And yes, jews and commies were repressed big time.
>>69640993
secret russian archive bruh
>>69641153
why do you think the figures are faked?
are you in love with jews?
>>69641650
>why do you think the figures are faked?
If you compare it with a population rate of USSR (and keep in mind victim of wars) - it makes birth rate in USSR higher than in some african shithole, and the best medical care in the world. Otherwise you just can't fill this 60mln gap. Seriously, USSR had only 170mln in 1939.
>>69642474
And only 140mln in 1922 when Stalin get to the power.
>>69642726
Does it take into account that USSR gibs me dat'd a few countries in the process?
>>69640436
>>69641153
>>69642474
>Still not noticing that this is an obvious b8
>>69642474
>population rate of USSR
how do you know those figures are correct?
>>69643298
They are not. There are only 4 mln Russians on the planet right now. And actually Hitler won, it all jew's lies.
>>69643766
wait, were you pretending to be retarded, or was it me?
>>69628779
ITT: Insensitive reds with fingers like sickles and hammers typing their trivialization of a tyranny.
>>69628779
bump
>>69645234
Let's say Soljewnitsin was right about sixty million. If means that every third russian was killed and about forty percent of the entire population was thrown in gulags. Don't you think there would be many more sources besides him reporting on the subject?
>>69646336
So he's the only one? A british guy said in this thread that Russian archives back the 60 million figure.
>>69646520
Can he prove he went to the archives? I have a close relative who actually did.
>>69646943
And how many people did Stalin kill then?
>>69646520
And a Russian guy who provided an actual source said that they don't.
>>69637495
>>69628779
(cough cough) American liberals have killed 60 million unborn children since Roe v Wade
>>69647196
According to the KGB archives in Belarus there were about sixty thousand pee who got changed with some sort of a crime against the state. The numbers mass media, in Belarus or Russia in the 90s, was giving were around six hundred thousand.
>>69647270
>Implying I can understand Russian language or cyrilic alphabet.
I'll look up Victor Zemskov and see if I can find something about him in English or Spanish though, thanks.
On another topic, what would you say Croats think of Tito in general?
>>69647710
*number of people
>>69647813
Next time someone tells you about the archives just ask them to post their journalist licence because it's one of the main requirements needed to get there. Not sure about Russia but it might the same.
>>69628779
Why is holocaust denial worth a jail sentence while communism denial is all but encouraged?
Why are swastikas censored and taken out of WW2 documentaries while the hammer and sickle is available on tshirts?
Why is mein kampf considered dangerous, but marx available fucking everywhere?
Who do you think won the Cold War?
People die, what's your problem, most of them were cucks.
>>69649337
They sell Mein Kampf here but I think it's edited. Also jews built their museums everywhere, it's not easy to talk to the normies about the holocaust.
>>69650228
Well that's fine. Just make sure you use the phrase 'communism denial' the next time you run into someone saying it wasn't tried. It taps into subconscious jew programming that will make them subconsciously agree, especially if you say '600 million died under communism'. Either that, or they start defending the holocaust. You win in both situations.
Holocaust denial laws have to go, or be extended to cover all genocides including what Turkey, Japan and Russia are denying. The latter will never happen.
Well in the 30s NKVD troikas did persecute (and most likely execute) up to 140,000 people a year
About 1 million kulaks died and 2 million more were forcefully exiled
Plus about 10-12 million that were forced into Gulags
Another 1 million due to starvation and strife in the countrysides
And all of Stalin's political opponents
I'd say about 15-20 million, 60 million seems way too high
CAN WE GIVE A DAMN ABOUT 99 MILLION BLACK PEOPLE WHO DIED ON DEM SLAVE SHIPS?!?!?!?!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME YOUR A WHITE MALE!!!!!!!!!##
