"Yay! 15 dollar minimum wage!"
Fucking idiots.
>>69579225
>getting paid more
>for doing less
They'll lose their jobs and spread like cancer to Texas and Florida, as Californiafaggots have been prone to doing lately. I swear to god they should be issued a passport so we can ID them and shoot them at the border.
>>69579294
> get paid more
> no guarantees to keep your job
> no guarantees to keep your hours
> no guarantees to keep your benefits
> at least we can say we get paid more per hour
Liberals are insufferable.
>>69579294
>>69579342
"You know what we should do to cure inflation? MORE inflation! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! :D"
Yay! We just got laid off and now can get unemployment at a higher rate!
Are manager s getting a raise too?
>>69579512
>we pay everyone 7.50
>we have 100 workers
>we have to pay then twice as much
>for doing the same amount of work
>i now have to fire half of them to afford paying them $15
>we are also now half as productive
>>69579225
you in new york too?
>>69579659
this desu
>>69579225
>work for Texas city
>we're all laughing our asses off
>most california companies feel like employees of the state at this point
>this will be a tipping point for a wave of new relocations
>>69579659
No, the remaining employees will be expected to pick up the slack. It's called "skeleton staffing". I've been a victim of it before, they tell you it's temporary that you'll have to do more yourself but then it never changes. What three workers did before I wound up doing myself. For the same wage as before too, not twice the pay.
>>69579225
You need to take into consideration the local economic situation of various regions across the country.
A place like Columbus, Ohio doesn't really need a $15 dollar minimum wage because a home, which I consider the gold standard of wage consideration, is only about a hundred thousand dollars.
Places like San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York definitely need one and I'll tell you why... Greedy faggots have completely fucked the real estate market in places like that and they're going to have to pay for it. If you are going to be selling your home for an average of a million dollars in some areas, you will have to pay the people providing services enough money to be able to live close enough to commute to work.
As someone from Vancouver, I can tell you right now that high cost cities are cancer and the scum that can afford these homes better cough up more.
>>69579581
>"You know what we should do to cure inflation? MORE inflation! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! :D"
ok, i'm no economist teacher, but even i know inflation is what a stable and growing economy wants to have. if you're getting inflation, it means the prices of everything go up because people are willing and able to pay those higher prices. whereas deflation means your country is going down the shitter and everybody knows it. you do know, inflation is a given in any civilized society, right? how is it logical to believe the rent prices of manhattan or san francisco will stay the same or even go down?
educate me, my ayn rand friend
>>69579225
>cost of business goes up
>prices go up
>>69579659
>I also dont know how to sell my product because i am completely retarded
>yuropoors get 22.5$ minimum wage, with benefits
>Even after latest sandstorm they still have less illegal rapefugees than america
Wew lad
>>69580475
Shit tier b8
>>69579225
>grey hair
>on minimum wage
This is what a lifetime of stupidity and no responsibility brings you
>>69580475
>reducing the value of your currency is a good thing for the economy
You're right. You aren't an economics teacher. You're a moron.
>>69579225
its magical money from the sky!
like manna from the heavens, $15 minimum wage will cure all of society's ills.
Why not make it $1000 an hour?
>>69580597
Part of the reason why European companies cannot compete with Americans.
and americans cannot compete with china or mexico.
>>69579225
It worked so well in Seattle, especially when all the welfare fags asked for a reduction in hours so they could keep their welfare benefits too.
Combine this shit with Obamacare, and you have the most convoluted employment system in the modern world.
>>69580475
Yeah man Inflation is great just ask the post war Germans using bank notes for wallpaper because it was so fucking worthless
>>69579587
>Wyatt
Heyyy my first name
>>69580172
well then the $15 raise will work to your advantage, bro. you're obviously not going to be one of the lazy workers to get canned. it's not like businesses were already working the shit out of you with as few coworkers as they could give you for maximizing their profits before the raises in minimum wage
>>69580812
We dont have to be cheaper to compete, we just dont throw chemical waste into all of our products, including food
>>69580475
you're a fucking moron
never vote
>>69580995
Are you underage?
Have you ever had a job before?
>>69580475
Debasing the currency is what a decedent and degenerate society does when everything is falling apart and they need cheap temporary solutions to expensive long-term problems.
>>69580862
How's Seattle doing now?
>>69580475
>Samuel Berg
Gee I wonder who could be behind this post.
fucking amazing how much disdain pol has for the minimum wage. why are you all acting as if the indirect effects will fuck you up the ass the minute it goes into effect? businesses will be the ones having to adjust their accounting books, NOT YOU
I guess that guy that just shot up the Capitol Building got his point across.
>>69581847
And how do you think they'll adjust their accounting books, you dumb nigger?
>>69581847
Yes I'm sure the inevitably higher levels of unemployment and subsequent increase in welfare spending will not affect anyone other than people on minimum wage
>>69579225
Minimum wage in Canada is like $10.50. That's like... 8 USD. Fuck me.
>>69579225
So much for them degrees am I right ladies.
>>69581847
yes, they're adjusting MY accounting book
>>69582102
>>69581956
how, by firing you? there's literally no evidence of raising the minimum wage causing massive layoffs. the raise will give poor shit consumers more money in their pocket to spend, they sure as shit don't save it or stash it in the caymans. they spend the shit out of it and buying more shit than they did before, this is all additional business that's going to accumulate and mitigate the layoffs to a negligible amount as we've clearly seen in Seattle.
I support $15 dollars minimum wage. Why?
>$15 forces businesses to fire all lazy and unproductive workers
>Most of the people fired will be lazy niggers
>Businesses will ignore diversity quotas otherwise they'll go bankrupt
>Severe unemployment leads to bankruptcy of welfare programs and food stamps
>Millions of niggers die on the streets from starvation or end up in prison
>No more welfare
>Much better service pretty much everywhere
Bring it on.
How did this pan out for Australians? Didn't they raise the minimum to something like $17? I know video games are over $100 but did everything else get fuck expensive?
>>69582455
>Severe unemployment leads to bankruptcy of welfare programs and food stamps
They would sooner cut off the entire military budget and shut down all federal agency funding before they let the niggers go without free shit.
Its how they stay in office.
>>69580597
>>yuropoors get 22.5$ minimum wage, with benefits
In what fucking world? Dutch minimum wage is 9.52 euros per hour, and that's only if you are over the age of 23.
>>69582442
All costs are passed to the consumer unless you make it illegal for companies to do that which would be impossible to regulate.
You pay for it directly or indirectly.
>>69582481
Our minimum wage and just wages in general have always been high. It's the reason our secondary production industry is non-existent, we can't run factories because wages are so fucking high and assembly line workers think they're entitled to jet skis and V8s
And yes, cost of living is high as fuck
>>69582634
>euros
Might as well be in gold bars. The Euro is way stronger than all our cuck currencies.
>>69579225
So do they get lower welfare benefits as well. What is their endgame?
$15 is harder to live on compared to making near minimum wage in my area just due to not qualifying for certain housing and welfare help.
>>69581094
You pay your workers more
But the cost of living is fucking insane
>>69579225
Raising minimum wage makes everything more expensive. Then youre right back where you started
>>69582442
> literally no evidence
A simple Google search destroys your argument.
http://www.americanactionforum.org/research/how-minimum-wage-increased-unemployment-and-reduced-job-creation-in-2013/
>>69580475
>Berg
Wew
>>69579225
>vote yourself more money
>force all businesses to pay more
>half low wage employees have to go on welfare
>the other half wallow in their now worthless dollars
>fast forward five years
>utopia doesn't happen
>$15 is then worth what $7 is worth now
>agitate again
>demand $30 / hour minimum wage
>>69582760
Yeah, and we're desperately trying to bring it down through inflation... all the while destroying all our pensions and savings.
We should never have let an Italian lead the ECB.
>>69582760
Slightly stronger. Not way stronger
Your going to piss off a lot of faggots when they get pushed to a high tax bracket next year and won't get the goodies anymore. hahahaa
>>69579294
That's one way of strawmanning, moron.
>>69580172
Living in this nightmare right now
Same amount of work gets done, just easier when there's extras
If everybody gets 15 an hour, do I not have to tip anymore when I go out to eat? ? Yesss
>>69579644
good question
>>69583013
and the shit cycle continues
>>69583259
Don't tip anyway. You are just supporting College aged drinking and drug habits and other frivolous spending. Just tip the old sad dude in his 40's that fucked up at life.
>>69583013
>muh slippery slop
>>69579294
Why wouldn't you want people to have more money xdxd
>>69583401
When I was in America, the only people I felt deserving of tips were delivery workers and old barbers (they do a damn good job). The tipping thing overall is just fucking ridiculous.
>>69583720
>Koch
>>69580475
thats weird, because the price of bitcoin is over 400 fucking dollars and their economy has never been bigger
>>69583404
That's not a slippery slope, that's basic fucking economics.
>American students go home and work for the summer in California, earn $15/hr
>it's the equivalent to $20/hr Canadian
>our minimum wage is around $8/hr US
J U S T
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>>69580475
Eh...kind of, but we're not talking about much inflation here. Less than 2% a year is the target for most inflation controlling central banks. The fed doesn't explicitly state what their inflationary goals are, but it appears to be around 1-3% annually.
>>69583835
I can tell you right now, food servers are gonna be crying like bitches when people don't tup anymore. You watch, it will still be expected.
Oy vey! I mean... Oh, wow! That really sucks! Don't these people realize prices will go up to compensate for the loss?
>>69584305
It's more likely that unemployment will happen.
B-b-but everyone is gonna have more money to spend on more expensive products.
>>69581847
yes we should only care about issues that directly affects us personally. selfish faggot
>>69580205
I agree with you that a home is the gold standard for age considerations - FOR SERIOUS JOBS.
Working McDonald's or being a part time janitor (although they get paid more) isn't supposed to be a home buying wage.
What you completely forget is that renting exists, and that the wage for menial employees goes up in those expensive areas proportionally anyways.
The only thing raising the minimum wage does is devalue to dollar even more and make more valuable jobs pay less by comparison.
God, maybe Canadians SHOULD be IP banned.
A lot of economically illiterate dummies itt
>>69580475
>Berg
/POL/ WAS RIGHT AGAIN
>>69584284
Don't fall for the claptrap that servers only make $2.13 an hour. Establishments have to pay servers the federal minimum wage if tips don't make up the difference.
why didnt they just raise it to $100
then everybody would be rich
>>69584603
Is that from an offshoot of Occupy Democrats?
Prices for products can fluctuate for a variety of reasons. Now you're just tacking on even more cost with the minimum wage hike.
>>69584603
Because the federal reserve has been pumping fiat currency into the economy on a regular basis since the 20s in order to prevent this whole fucking ship from going down, and every dollar they print de novo diminishes the value of every dollar you earn... you fucking.... What the fuck are you doing here? Get the fuck OFF of my /pol/.
>>69579225
>15$
In 2022 mind you, not right away.
By then you're gonna need 22$...
>>69584603
Because inflation has outpaced wages. Do keep up, commie.
>>69580475
I wonder who could be behind this po-
>Berg
That kind of inflation is tied into the increasingly advanced products, however it is not the reason we have such high inflation.
High inflation is achieved through over printing of money (whether real or as loans, etc). The only thing this achieves is to devalue people's savings (enticing wasteful behavior) and subsidizes the massive debt that the government and companies have, which feeds into getting more and more loans and raises the risk of having a crash because there is the probability of more toxic debt.
>>69584836
Yes which means that waiters who don't get tipped a lot will find themselves unemployed in no time because their employers are forced to pay them up to the minimum wage
>>69579225
What's the deal with this godawful cancer. I just want my tomorrow settings back.
>>69584836
The federal minimum wage for restaurants IS $2.13 an hour you fucking dunce.
>>69580597
>$22.50 minimum wage
>Denmark
You do know that your own country doesn't have a country-wide minimum wage, right?
>>69579225
The fat and lazy leeches of society are so happy now.
>>69579644
How about people who make just under 15? Will that get a raise past 15?
>>69583404
This isn't a slippery slope, it's economics 101
>>69580205
If you can't afford to live there then fuckin get lost. You are the reason everyone hates Canada on these boards with your ass backwards thought processes. A true capitalistic society will be able to resolve these issues on their own by letting the free market do what it is known best to do - find an equilibrium.
>>69581847
What if some wagecuck in CA had worked his ass off to get his pay up to $15/hr and somebody comes in and says everybody gets paid that? Is that fair? Do you think the boss is going to say "you made double the minimum before, lets raise your pay to $30!"
>>69579225
The people pushing this are probably educated middle class people who are going to be fucked when everyone else gets a 100% raise.
This whole topic makes me rage so much
>>69585854
With the $15 minimum wage burger flippers and cashiers will be making the same amount as their supervisors.
>>69585430
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_States
Go learn your own fucking laws jesus christ
>>69585430
The federal minimum tipped worker wage is $7.25 an hour minus the amount tipped per hour up to $5.12.
If someone is tipped $0/h they are payed $7.25/h
If someone is tipped $3/h they are payed $4.25/h
If someone is tipped $5/h they are payed $2.25/h
If someone is tipped $5.12/h or higher they are payed $2.13/h
The wage plus the tip amount is always higher than $7.25/h
>>69585850
>Vancouver real estate market
>free
sup Chang
>>69581847
I don't have a job, and shops around town have already put away their "Now hiring" signs. I don't even get job interviews anymore, for minimum wage jobs. This is how the promise of increased minimum wage has hurt me.
Yeahp.
Pretty much the same thing as cutting a pizza into 15 slices and being amazed at how many more slices you get per box.
Then you realize that you have to share that box with more people and you end up being less full than when it was 8 slices.
Good job dipshits, unemployment and underemployment for everybody! Wooo!
>>69579225
Because 7.25 is enough to live on in NYC
>>69584596
> I-if I don't likewise job then you shouldn't have a house
>>69585191
That was the point dipshit
>>69579342
They likely won't lose their jobs it will end up like in europe when they had huge minimum wage rises. There would be more money being used in the economy and be even more jobs. Then Californians would be flooded by labour from neighbouring states like in Europe and regret it.
>>69581304
Not him but Seattle's job growth is not doing well
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/02/19/seattles-15-minimum-wage-jobs-down-unemployment-up-this-isnt-working-is-it/#6617ca6a3712
>>69586302
Same thing with all of these bums in Toronto. If you can not live within your means, then go take a hike, and find a place where you can. You are not entitled to live within these communities by any means.
You know instead of having entitlements, why not remove them and place a negative tax on the minimum wage earners? Or those below a certain threshold so they can afford Healthcare and other essentials of living.
And then reform education so people graduate with real world knowlage.
I don't think it's ever been done, but I'm pretty sure it would increase the indirect value of unskilled labor. Which might be a good thing?
>>69583401
Kike or nigger detected
>>69580475
>berg
>>69584596
Renting is actually a serious problem in the United States. Many landlords charge more for a simple room than you'd have to pay monthly on a mortgage for a home. Living by yourself isn't an option anymore, America is becoming a Chinese society where the entire family lives together.
>>69579512
>>69579659
The Bernie supporters remind me of those farmers in Mark Twain's Connecticut Yankee. Remember when the MC points out how the farmers' higher prices for buying things renders their higher wages meaningless even if they're paid more than in Camelot?
>if inflation is such a huge problem then why don't we just stop printing money?
>>69579225
I can actually hear the companies abandoning California
>>69586876
you can fix that by expelling jews and getting rid of section 8 housing
Start building cuck boxes like that guy in San Francisco. You can have your very own 8x3' cuck box for only $500 a month rent.
This is what happens you idiots, you may make 100,000 a year to live 1'd work in San Francisco but a one bedroom apartment will cost you 3500 a month.
>>69586654
Doubling minimum wages isnt the answer. You need to raise wages to match inflation, not just arbitrarily double them.
>>69579659
>we also have to pay %(+)50 of all our profits as taxes.
What's my name
>>69580597
>you can't meet the arbitrary demands of the state puts on your buisness
>lol guess you deserve to go bankrupt fagot
This is why the decent people have been leaving Europe for centuries
>>69579659
1. If you hire people you dont need your a bad employer regardless. Everyone on the team should be useful.
2. If they are producing items that means they have a demand to meet, they wont deliver half their product and if Rule 1 is true they cant just fire half their staff to afford it.
The pay cuts will have to come from elsewhere, be it product quality or other ways, I would expect some lay offs, but not HALF the staff you nimrod.
>>69586876
>Living by yourself isn't an option anymore, America is becoming a Chinese society where the entire family lives together.
We haven't learned anything from the Mexicans yet. We need to be sending our employable sons and daughters with the friends they made growing up to a place that has a high cost of living and high paying jobs, while the parents need to relocate to places with extremely low cost of living, the kids need to live in the cheapest apartment they can find and split that cheap rent amongst 20 people, and then do nothing but work for a few years and then return to their parents in the low cost of living area with a ton of money.
We've just become too comfy and don't want to give up our luxuries, we'd rather slip into economic irrelevancy instead of manning up and suffering for awhile to adapt to the new system.
>>69579225
Man, the worst part of the minimum wage shit is that people don't realize what a fucked up society we live in. Our federal government punishes success and forethought.
My dad, for instance, set up a 529 account for me when I was three. (For those who don't know, it's a college savings plan). Over fifteen years, he managed to squirrel away about ten grand to help pay for my college. I got into a good school, and applied for financial aid. I was denied because my dad had saved literally half of one year's cost of college. I wound up having to foot the bill entirely (despite not being able to afford very much), which doesn't bother me, because college shouldn't be free anyway. It made me want to work hard in college and make my money count for something.
No, what pissed me off was that the dindus I graduated with basically got to go to college for free, despite never saving shit or planning ahead.
This fucking country actively rewards those with no foresight, hands them shit for making poor decisions, and denies the same shit to people who do what society fucking asks of everyone; be smart, be conscientious, do your best to make money, pay your taxes, whatever.
The whole idea that you can lift someone out of poverty and send them onto the right track is horseshit. A dumbass is a dumbass is a dumbass, regardless of how much free shit you throw at them.
And paying people more than they are fucking worth based on hours worked rather than output fucking produced is the same bullshit that Terry Fucking Goodkind (who sucks as a writer) demonstrates in every one of his books depicting fantasy socialist nightmares.
California really wants to be Detroit with palm trees and Mexicans.
Leftists understand basic economics about as well as niggers understand theoretical physics.
This is an April Fool's joke, right?
>>69587310
The first, most immediate change with a 15/hr minimum wage will be that you will be expected to PERFORM at the level of a 15/hr employee.
Fuck up the register one time? Fired. There's 45 dindus and mexicans outside wanting a crack at the job. College grads and all.
Oh, you're late to work? Fired. I have 30 ppl wanting to flip burgers for 15/hr.
The bar for employees will be raise. Significantly. Employers will be way less lenient with them. Also, college grads will be applying for these jobs, which in turn will very disproportionately affect the negro and beaner communities.
LIKE POTTERY
>>69580475
>Inflation is good deflation is bad
Lie you learned in public school
>>69587122
I didn't know Carlton was a first name.
>>69587566
What do you think, sweetie?
>tfw know three Victorias
>one is an ugly SJW
>one is a cello player and Berniefag
>one is really cute but haven't seen her in years
>>69584603
The minimum wage goes up in different states all the time, and wages aren't the sole cause for inflation. what the fuck kind of ignorant fagot made this?
>>69587662
Not to mention that no one will be able to maintain a 15/hr job for the few months it takes to earn a promotion or pay raise, because companies are going to refuse to budge past something as ridiculous as 15/hr
Essentially in a few years time inflation will pass the 15/hr threshhold, but because 15/hr was such an insane jump from 7.25, everyone is going to laugh when they request 27.25/hr to "make ends meet"
>>69586876
Families not living together anymore is a huge reason why everything is so damned expensive. There's more demand for everything when everyones parents are divorced and need to provision those separate households, which is also a huge reason marriage gets dragged through the mud in popular media the way it does now. Everyone having their own independent castle is a very recent invention and by all accounts does not seem very sustainable for living spaces larger than cucksheds.
>>69587451
>This fucking country actively rewards those with no foresight, hands them shit for making poor decisions, and denies the same shit to people who do what society fucking asks of everyone; be smart, be conscientious, do your best to make money, pay your taxes, whatever.
This desu. I am MAXING OUT my retirement fund right now, at 17.5 -18k A YEAR. I make north of 130k as a pharmacist, and live fairly frugally.
Now, obviously, SS is going to go belly up and fucked over very soon, and no one on this board will ever see a dime of SS or possibly even medicare. I saw a stat that said 62% of citizens do not have enough in savings to absorb a 1000 dollar emergency hit. Meaning less than 1000 dollars total in non-bound liquid assets.
I'm 28, and have over 45k in savings in 401k and Roth IRA, and putting 1200 a month in every goddamn month.
What is going to happen when I retire in 35 years? Am I going to get to keep my 10 million dollars while the dindus around me starve? Like you said, those who actively plan are punished, and those who don't are bailed out. It scares me desu. I will seriously go Anders Breivik if they raid my retirement fund or tax me at 90% to take it out. I'll seriously kill every motherfucker I see.
>>69587052
Lol I live in Phoenix and have a lavish apartment for 610 a month
I don't understand why anyone would live in California
Another sunny and 70 degree day with muh guns and muh cactus
>>69588015
>2016
>saving money
Dude you are going to get raped
>>69586876
Well the idea that everyone could be a homeowner is really a short lived modern notion
Only really from like the 1960's to the early 2000's. Was it possible to do and the later years was because of easy credit.
Before that most people always lived in multi-gen households
>>69587880
on top of that, every CURRENT 15/hr job will want a proportional raise. Such as a fast food MANAGER. They make about 35-40k a year, or 15-18/hr. If the CASHIER all of a sudden makes 35/year, you can bet your fucking ass the manager will want a proportional raise.
>'why do you care what someone else makes? it doesn't affect you'.
The MANAGER job has an inherent value 'x' above that of the min wage job. As of now, it's about double. The manager of a McDonalds will absolutely NOT work for the same wage as the 18 year old 'lmao weed man' he just hired. And maintain staff, payroll, inventory, customer satisfaction, do balance sheets, go to meetings, etc... The manager position DEMANDS 80-100% more pay than the cashier, and this will not change. They will demand 25-28/hr. Then the REGIONAL manager now makes just marginally more than the single store manager, and also wants a raise. And the dominoes will continue to fall.
>>69588015
>I will seriously go Anders Breivik if they raid my retirement fund or tax me at 90% to take it out.
Well that would be likely if you were just going to depend on SS, but you have your own private retirement funds, so I don't think they can take that legally. If they do, I think you'd be able to sue.
>>69580205
You need to take into consideration these nuts on your maple syrup dripping chin Mr. MacKenzie...
>>69588186
The problem is, we're still expecting everyone to own their own home. Society makes fun of the 40-year-old virgin who lives in his mom's basement, but he's actually a very wise man.
>>69579225
>was up for a $1.00
>boss is just going to give me a mandatory $0.50 raise now
all my hard work for naught
fuck this bullshit, im stealing toilet paper and pens from my workplace from now on
>>69588015
>What is going to happen when I retire in 35 years?
>Making 130k a year
>Needing to work for 35 more years to retire
Yeah I don't think you belong in this thread.
Try living ACTUALLY frugally, save up 115k a year for 10 years, and start fucking around with the stock market, effectively retiring at 38 instead of 65.
>>69579225
What kind of name is Fern?
>tfw college degree holder
>just graduated
>working for a small company as actual entry level IT tech
>Make $12/hr
>some burger flipper out of high school or dindu gangbanger makes more than me
Thanks liberals.
>>69588159
Don't say that..
:(
I have put the most in a Roth IRA, meaning I already paid the tax. I get to take it out at it's value at that time, provided i'm 55 years old at least. 401k however is taken out at the CURRENT tax rate. So if Pernie Zanders is president and decides that my 150k a year is top 1% and needs a 90% tax rate, I take out 100k from my 1 million dollar nest egg.
Then I buy 100k worth of guns and ammo and go on a goddamn rampage.
>mfw I'm in Econ class right now
>commiefornia wrecking their own economy even more
Will they ever learn?
>>69579225
>>69583244
Libtard plz go
>libturds
>understanding economics
>>69588332
As of now, no they cannot. A government PENSION would be the first thing raided I believe, congressmen, police, firefighters, military. I think Poland did this rather recently.
But then again, the government is doing ridiculous fucking shit in regards to civilian rights, is it impossible to think in 35 years they won't have new laws allowing them to take it?
I don't think that's impossible.
>>69588323
This.
That's where the real problem lies. The day after doubling minimum wage will be an epidemic of workplace shootings.
Boosting the minimum wage ridiculously is great for minimum wage workers and the worst thing for literally everyone else.
It's just a shame that our culture tends to cater to the weak and needy. We actually have to seriously consider helping unskilled 18 year old dipshits at the cost of destroying our entire country, because they're "needy".
>>69579659
if you're half as productive you can't afford to spend as much on wages as you did before
>>69588332
>I don't think they can take that legally.
Yes they can, it's called government forced inflation.
>>69588323
Hey man, who cares about that? Vote Bernie! Didn't you see the little bird land on his podium?!
>>69579659
My company is doing the same thing. It cost us so much more to operate that it means everyone is doing undocumented overtime. Roughly 65 hour weeks and we have to be productive all day.
The engineers and programmers are complaining that they were already working long hours as the norm.
"but they aren't minimum wage"
Min wage now pays $31,000 fulltime. So turns out even our student RA's and GRA's get massive pay boosts. They used to be at $10 and $15 respectively except they also had student loans and tuition. Which now, we have to pay them all $15 so good luck. You might as well not work in a lab anymore.
Even so, employees aren't our biggest expenses, it's payroll taxes. The government taxing us is literally the single largest cost. Bigger than rent, payroll, or materials.
I want the government to get the fuck out of our pockets and let us work. The industry can't endure much more of this before people just burn out or stop. It's insanely competitive already.
I'm already looking into selling the entire assets to a Chinese business. Shut down and retire with a just over a couple million. These dumbasses wanted it, democrat signs all over the office. Enjoy your widespread poverty I don't have another choice. My only wealth is in assets since I can't produce. Do they expect me to ask everyone to work even more hours, then to take out massive loans to keep the company afloat that I can eventually only pay off by liquidating everything eventually anyway? Then what do I get for dedicating my life to this? They seriously expect me to burn my assets to keep them employed a few more years? Fuck that, I'm tired and old. I wanted to work longer since I don't get social security yet, but fuck me. Relocating is too damn hard, it would take me away from my family, and 90% of staff wouldn't be able to come with anyway so the effect would be the same.
Companies won't leave, they will simply sell out to foreign businesses.
How much would wages be if they were adjusted to inflation now?
>>69588425
He could do that but it's a higher risk, some people would rather go the slow and steady rout
I mean personally I doubt I'll ever retire because I actually like having work, I probably won't be 65 slaving away like a wage cuck but I'll definately be doing something it gives me purpose
>>69588425
I have a friend who's doing this, graduated with me, makes same as me. He just bought 80k worth of fuckign silver, he's 27 years old. He has a target retirement age of 40.
The projections for my investments earn 60% of their value from the 30th to the 35th year. Goes from 4 mil to almost 10 in just those 5 years.
4 million isn't enough to maintain my 130k a year lifestyle for 40 years.
I dont' mind working either, I'm at work right now, shitposting on a macedonian pottery board. 8-5 job, no weekends, super chill on Fridays.
>>69588332
they can change the tax rate as they see fit legally. if he is a government employee they can steal his pension as well
>>69587264
Yes, bravo. It's an impossible situation and forces companies to shut down or get baught out, just liek conservatives have been preaching for years.
If you dumbass liberals wanted higher pay for workers you should have taxed companies less on payroll to start with.
>>69588724
BIRDIE SANDERS!!!!! :^o
>>69588799
I believe it would be around $10 an hour.
>>69588773
Do it. Give them exactly what they asked for.
>>69579225
They will be dead before it is implemented in 2022 or whatever.
>>69584603
> If a person can die getting shot in the head, why do so many people die that AREN'T getting shot in the head?
You see how flawed that question is?
A number of factors can drive up prices. If you can't see how forcing companies to pay more for their employees is one of those factors you have to be legally retarded.
>>69588773
Great post
>>69588773
Please anon, do it. Tell them your woes, and as a result of their stupidity, they will be out of a job and the U.S. will have 1 less small business.
>>69587451
Right on, Jodi
>>69588824
So what's your story anyway, were you born into a decently supportive family or what? I'm 2 years younger than you and broke as a joke.
From my humble upbringings I see making 45k a year to be a "real" job, I make about half of that currently. If I was to make 130k a year I'd work for 5 years and either create my own business that I would manage from afar or I'd drop it into short sale trades in the economy.
At some point I feel like a person should just go "Fuck, look at all this shit, I literally won at life, time to relax".
Anyway, congrats man, glad to see someone is making it.
>>69588813
Yeah I agree with that. Supposedly men are at risk for depression when they're unable to generate revenue and/or work. I've learned a few skills so I'll always be able to "work", though it doesn't need to be employment through corporations.
>>69579225
>mfw liberals cheer the new minimum wage
>mfw small businesses have to dramatically cut staff, cut ours, or close
>mfw automation accelerates because of this
>mfw it pushes even more people out of work
>mfw liberals look on flabbergasted blaming corporate greed
>mfw they probably think there should be another wage increase due to the increase in poverty
>mfw liberals will be perpetually stupid
>>69582455
Enjoy riots.
>>69580475
Inflation is good? Do you know what inflation even is you dumb nigger? Your dollar being worth less is NEVER good.
>>69589232
There's an endless fountain of money at the top anon, all we have to do is kill them and get it.
>>69579225
These people are fucking retarded. Minimum wage is something you work when you JUST entered the work force. You'll move on and make much more than that.
Unless of course, you're a freeloader without a single spark of ambition. In that case, yeah you should probably vote Bernie.
>>69580597
>22.5
That's not even true for most of Europe you faggot. No one is going to try and be like Europe anymore so might as well shill for your shitty union somewhere else.
>>69588773
I own a small restaurant in Oregon and can certainly commiserate. Thankfully I'm young enough to move away from this over taxed shithole and start over.
For anyone that didn't bother reading the legislation, it's going to be rolled out over the next 7 years.
It's not an overnight change
There's already almost no jobs in this fucking city anyways, especially just coming out of high school all these old Spanish ladies hold all the minimum wage jobs over here in NYC.
In the next few months, liberals will use seasonal summer employment to claim that the minimum wage made Seattle into a jobs utopia
screencap this
>>69589173
>So what's your story anyway, were you born into a decently supportive family or what? I'm 2 years younger than you and broke as a joke.
Oh i'm not complaining now. My life is A+, no complaints. I've already hit my ceiling though, as far as income, as I'm the manager of a hospital pharmacy. Only Pharmacists who make more than me are the mangers of retail chains, and those who own successful independents (which is 100% impossible to break into now). I'll never make 1 mil a year, or even half a mil. But I'll always make 6 figures, and for that i'm blessed.
all i'm saying is that the TREND is that such as the successful planners are robbed to pay for the dumbfuck dindus who don't save or plan for more than 1 day in the future.
I still drive a 2003 chevy silverado I bought in 2004 when I was in HS with money saved from the farm. I could EASILY go buy a 2016 corvette stingray and make payments on it instead of putting 18k a year in retirement.
But I don't want that. I Want to retire at 60 and travel the world and have a lakehouse and a boat for my grandkids, a vacation home, etc...
If my retirement is raided, this is robbed from me, which also means I could have just blown all my money in my youth and lived it up (not live frugally).
All I meant was that if me saving money doesn't end up benefiting me hugely, I'll lose my goddamn mind.
>>69582455
Here's what will actually happen after the 4th point:
>millions of niggers raid supermarkets
>it is impossible to stop them all
>supermarkets go bankrupt
>niggers ate all our food
>everyone dies of starvation
>no more country
>>69579342
All by design. California has way more people than the water table can support. The plebs will be moved to TX and FL intentionally to keep CA viable for rich whites and their illegal immigrant slaves.
>>69589232
>Automation goes so far that everything is automated, even designing more robots for automation
>Post-scarcity reached
I see no problem with this.
>>69589400
Yeah but socialism fails because you inevitably run out of other peoples money.
>>69589173
>If I was to make 130k a year I'd work for 5 years and either create my own business that I would manage from afar or I'd drop it into short sale trades in the economy.
I know a guy who does this, he lost over 70k last year. I'm not well versed enough to risk it. My job is super easy, I'm great at it, and I even enjoy it.
>>69580597
>muh minimum wage
Minimum wage by itself is meaningless, the cost of living and taxes in denmark are so enormous that your minimum wage is basically worth the same as America's minimum wage.
>>69583244
>improper use of strawman
>2016
>>69589733
And then our robot overlords decide that we're parasites. Skynet confirmed.
>>69579225
Maybe it's a good thing. Most of these people deal in fast foods and walmart type crap, stuff that is evil anyway. Kill those big corporations. Less fat asses around, less obnoxious minorities coming into my town, because we have a fucking wal mart
>>69582442
Holy shit are you retarded? You think companies are going to decrease their profits to pay unskilled workers more? The cost of more expensive labor will be passed onto the customers. If they don't want to increase the cost of their products, then the next logical step is shrinking the amount of employees they have.
>>69579342
whoa, hole up.
we moved from Ca to the midwest two years ago.
we bought a newish 3 br, 2 bath house on 14 acres.
I can piss off my porch and nobody can see me.
we love it here, and I joined the local rifle club.
nobody hates sjw's, libs and groids more than me.
you have to vet them at the border and if they fail, tell them to keep going east until they hit the sea.
>>69589400
Killing them stops the flow. Selling them shit they don't need at inflated prices creates prosperity.
This is why capitalism wrecks communism every fucking time.
And what the fuck are these names ?
>>69589905
Enjoy your +50% tax increases to pay for the free shit that the now-unemployed people will be receiving as a result of the wage increase. It's never a good thing. Do not ever come to terms with a minimum wage increase.
>>69589612
It'll also be adjusted to inflation afterwards.
>>69589687
>all i'm saying is that the TREND is that such as the successful planners are robbed to pay for the dumbfuck dindus who don't save or plan for more than 1 day in the future.
Absolutely. That's the problem with our culture now though, something changed and people stopped looking up to people who planned ahead, and people stopped aspiring to be successful, now they just hate success and demand their gibmedats.
>I'll lose my goddamn mind.
I kind of want to see the 15/hr happen just to see how many people blowup and shootup their work places in the following days. The culling would be phenomenal.
>>69590086
Fuck off Sheldon.
>>69588467
inb4 Sanders Retirement Tax Plan
WHY ARE YOU ALL STILL ONLY MAKING MINIMUM WAGE ANYWAYS???!!
>>69590086
BAZINGA!
>>69590086
Check the Calendar. Just Hiro fucking up shit up.
>>69589706
>impossible to stop them all
The Koreans in LA would like a word with you.
>>69590111
Lemons/Lemonade. .at least there'd be some good out of it. We don't need the garbage they peddle anyway
>>69590190
Be cool, molly
Bernie 2016
Jesus christ, the cost of living is about $9 where I live and we just have the federal minimum wage ($7.25). If you can't get a 2 dollar fucking raise yourself, you're an idiot. California's cost of living can't be that much higher than whatever the wage is now.
>>69579659
That's not how it works you retard. If the value of their work is over $15/hr then they will not be fired as their value still exceeds cost.
>>69589171
I have tried to talk about it. They think I am the enemy or that "Well maybe not you but most small business owners." The ones that do actually have the intelligence to talk about it have it all wrong. they categorize owners as rich because they own wealth producing assets but they ignore all the risk and failed businesses it took to get there.
If the socialists in this country want to share costs and think partly owning wealth producing assets would be fun, then literally everyone would be bankrupt. This system only works because risk ISN'T shared, it means when my first business failed, it failed, and I lost money and credit and had to start over, get new money from work, invest it, build up my credit, get new investment capital. That was MY job and MY responsibility and there would be no business assets to sell without it.
What I am getting at, is they want profits to be shared but they don't want a piece of the risk. So not only will businesses leave or sell out, they will also stop forming. If I faced these rules in the 70's then fuck everyone, I never would have tried to run my own show.
Could you even imagine the reaction a bunch of millennials would have if they worked at a Mc Donalds for their $15 an hour then the investment flopped because the Subway across the street got popular during the health food craze.... and they had to deal with the cost of a failed investment? Could you IMAGINE the outrage from them if we shared risk and I gave them each a $125,000 cost share to pay? Or if they all had to file bankruptcy with me?
If we should share profits you goddamn commies then we should share risk!
They think it's not related, then quote me stats about how the average business owner has X millions in assets. Yes.. assets that run the company that I OWE THE BANK FOR. You don't get a share of that unless you share the risk.
>>69590483
That's Mx Molly to you, Christine. You sound like a slut.
>>69588773
>I want the government to get the fuck out of our pockets and let us work.
You can want that all you want, but unless and until you destroy each and every aspect of Marxism, it will never happen.
Money, like all things commie, is public property now. Your possession of it is not the result of your own initiatives. You didn't build that. You don't deserve that. Wealth is a privilege now, and your possession of it is by permission only.
>>69580812
Lmao, you want is to be more like Mexico and China? No thanks
>>69584596
So you're saying that service industry jobs shouldn't exist in big cities then?
>>69589171
I opened a small LE sales company in 2006 for small arms and supplies.
I have a workforce of 12 very loyal employees doing the menial stuff like shipping and warehousing and sales and they all earn around $10 an hour.
I personally have cut my own salary at my familys expense to maintain just this modest workforce and like the other businessowner said I cannot afford any more of this bullshit.
I know all their families personally and it makes me mad that the state i live in and soon the nation, in a sad attempt to increase their wages, will put them out of work.
>>69590579
>California's cost of living can't be that much higher
You have to consider how expensive gay pride flags and dildo-hats and all the other festive apparel is. Not to mention the inflation on the cost of meth, and what, you expect fags to fuck each other without drugs? We need to help these poor souls.
>over 20
>working for minimum wage
What is a failure Alex.
>>69590745
Sonia is a fat girls name
>>69590579
I pay $1200/month for a single room and the minimum wage here is $10/hr. I'm a student and work a retail job to get myself through school. Why shouldn't I be able to earn enough money to pay for the roof over my head?
>>69591013
>what is working your way through school
Fuck off. If you ever left your house you'd know that this is very common.
>>69580597
What is purchasing power parity?
>>69591113
Enjoy being layed off as wages go up.
Fifteen an hour or not, as someone working a shitty union retail job who makes less than minimum, I wouldn't mind being replaced by a computer. This is a temporary thing for me but still I wouldn't mind companies replacing soul sucking jobs like mine with computers in the least.
>>69591113
you should move to an affordable place. If the city puts the standard of living that high, fuck em. I live in Texas, I pay 1800 a month on a ten year mortgage on a new 2500 sq ft home I built in 2014.
>>69590949
So when Bernie is taking about raising wages, he's essentially talking about a redistribution of wealth from you (business owners) to employees, right?
I mean, it has to come from some where
>>69590586
If there are necessary low wage jobs and they receive a wage increase and there are many higher wage jobs some which are only preferential, then some of those higher wage jobs may have to be cut to account for the wage increase at the low end.
You are the retard here.
>>69591113
No one is stopping you from working somewhere else or working more hours.
You dont get more money for doing nothing.
A competitive economy pays you EXACTLY what your labor and time is worth. If you are not worth the pay dont ask for more money at the expense of people's jobs and livelihoods and businesses.
>>69590638
>You own X Million in Assets, therefor you have X Million dollars!
Just give up man, that's how they think because they're retarded. Sell your shit, then max and relax.
>>69590638
Oh I know how it works, especially since I'm trying to get in Real Estate with my husband. I myself am only 20 years old along with him but we understand that we shouldn't take anything more than we need (snap benefits because the state takes just enough money each paycheck that we have to get <150 for food to feed our child.) I just fucking hate it when people want to demonize business owners while not even working to promote/ encourage the business to achieve more success.
I really hope you settle it with the banks because when the spike hits you each month that you operate is just going to get worse for your credit. Fuck I feel extremely bad now because a lot of the people I look up to run small businesses and have been getting fucked in the ass by their stupid employees.
>>69590793
Fuck you commie. I've been in business a long time and know what? We always had taxes, taxes are the right of any government and don't automatically make a system Marxist. It ran just fine before. Democrats squeeze us more and more and hide taxes in everything, then vilify folks like me. And now you squeezed too hard. I can't speak for everyone, and I don't dare say what I do after these posts, but people will be jobless soon and China is going to get some new fancy machines. Good luck in an economy without wealth producing assets. The left has wanted a service economy for ages, and now you are closer than ever. Lets see how it works out for you.
>>69589968
But you were born there therefore you are a socialist because reasons
>>69591339
>he's essentially talking about a redistribution of wealth
No Such Thing As A Free Meal
>>69591261
Learn how to spell retard.
No one is forcing minimum wage workers to stay in big cities with high cost of living, right? No one is forcing businesses to stay either. Move to another state if you don't like it.
>>69591013
>going to college while working minimum wage
>over 20
What are you? Hella rich, Canuck?
>>69591113
You realize rental rates are going to steadily increase when minimum wage does, right? Take a look at Australia if you don't believe me.
Rental spaces are a limited commodity and as such their prices will be determined by ability to pay by renters.
>>69591465
And you think businesses won't move? They'll leave in droves and California's economy will continue going to shit.
>>69591364
The fact that I don't have a degree and go to school 20 hours/week limits the hours I can work. Labor is worth more in cities with a higher cost of living.
>>69591323
There's a reason the cost of living is higher in California than it is in Texas, bub.
>>69590793
>Money
>Public
Yeaaaaaaah no the Federal Reserve Note is not owned by the public. It's owned by a private bank. A centralized private bank. Each fucking dollar you have is a loan note to that bank.
>>69591634
>There's a reason the cost of living is higher in California than it is in Texas, bub
Yeah, liberal commie socialism. Come to glorious capitalistic bastion Texas for true prosperity.
>>69580205
It's not being greedy its supply and demand.
>Business owners are the bad guys
It's the same rhetoric the socialist far-left has been spouting for ages, the only thing that's changed is now they're gaining traction and people are paying attention to them. The hippies from last generation had babies that became the communists of this generation.
Everything these people do boils down to "Capitalism is bad! America shouldn't be Capitalist!"
They have no idea what the common American public will do when the Red Menace comes knocking again. If they don't remember, Communists are still higher on the list of old American bad-guys than Terrorists or Nazis. The liberals might like socialism, but they won't like what the American people do if the US becomes socialist.
Only in a retarded liberal state could something like this get passed.
What's worse is the effect this will have in neighboring states. For example, someone that regularly travels the borders from Cali. to Texas for a job might get price gouged since Cali. will have everything adjusted for a 15$ min. wage.
Oh noes, will somebody PLEASE think of the CEOs?!
>>69591609
You realize that rent has been increasing for years without any change to the minimum wage, right?
>>69591624
Let them leave. Someone will take their place.
>>69591720
I do want to move out of California when I get my degree, but seeing as I'm attending one of the best universities on the face of the planet for little to know tuition money I'll stick around here for another year. The only thing that isn't covered is rent which is what fucks me.
>>69591624
And then California will be a giant Detroit, except with illegal immigrants instead of blacks.
>>69591634
>The fact that I don't have a degree and go to school 20 hours/week limits the hours I can work
Whose fault is that?
You have options. You could work partially and go to college too. Or you could work full time. Or go to college full time.
So you are suggesting the employer should pay you more even though you wont actually be working any more hours?
Paying more for doing the same?
>>69580597
>>yuropoors get 22.5$ minimum wage, with benefits
Stop shitposting Denmark.
>>69591907
>Let them leave. Someone will take their place.
How are new business supposed to form when you've raised labor costs?
>>69591907
No*
Invest in automation services.
>>69591903
>Own a small card and board games shop
>I'm lumped in with multi-billion dollar CEO's
>Everyone who owns a business in any capacity is a fat-cat CEO and is the bad guy in America
You fucking people.
>>69591907
>I do want to move out of California when I get my degree, but seeing as I'm attending one of the best universities on the face of the planet for little to know tuition money I'll stick around here for another year. The only thing that isn't covered is rent which is what fucks me.
Fair enough. I do feel somewhat bad for you, Commiefornia sucks the life out of you. Best of luck to you.
Implying that the cost of living in Modesto is the same as San Franfuckboi.
AIDS in my asssssss!!!!!!!
>>69591907
It's going to be increasing moreso now with it. The naturalincrease in prices is from the value of the dollar and the increase in people wanting housing. Supply and demand can be a bitch.
>>69591903
I'd be fine with large corporations eating most of the costs associated with a higher minimum wage, but it's not gonna shake out that way
>>69590586
What shit heap of a job do you work at where you are paid half of what you are worth? Do you morons honestly think that you are magically producing billions of dollars worth of product by yourself and the CEO'so and business owners all go home to some scrooge McDuck vault of gold coins? Fact of the matter is all that 15 dollars an hour will do is crush start up companies and small mom and pop shops because their over head simply does not allow the doubling of entry level job pay. Ironically only companies like Walmart will be able to effectively cover the increased cost and the progressives who have made it their personal mission to topple these evil mega corporations will be directly responsible for the deaths of their competition. Not to mention the further destruction of the middle class as people who originally had double the buying power of minimum wage workers suddenly find that power drastically reduced, unless they can somehow argue for and their jobs can afford 30$ an hour.
>>69591907
>You realize that rent has been increasing for years without any change to the minimum wage, right?
Rent in my state is completely fucked. It's cheaper to own a home than paying for a smaller sized apartment. People in my state have forgotten that apartments are supposed to be the cheaper, temporary alternative to home owning. Whole area needs to be nuked to be honest; my state has among the worst reputations out of the 50.
That's why I'm moving to our neighbor once I've saved enough to put the down payment on a home. Cheaper housing, better gun laws, less black people. Win/win.
>>69591589
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>>69591907
>Someone will take their place.
If you're lucky then yeah, someone who can afford to operate in high cost areas will replace them, AKA established corporations like Safeway, Walmart, etc. Enjoy your wealth inequality
>>69579225
>tfw security guard in shitty part of town
>get only $10 an hour
>some fat bitch wants $15 to heat up a frozen patty
