Today I am allowed to vote if I want to have Ukraine in the European Union.
I have been abroad for the last year and haven't really been following the situation there, just read a few things here and there on /pol/ after the downing of MH17 in which 283 people died, including 193 .Dutch people.
/pol/ help me out
Ukraine in EU
>Yes
>No
And why?
>>69555596
No.
>>69555596
Well, it's a sinking ship but you might as well get on it now that you've broken ties with Russia and can't turn to them anymore.
>>69555596
No. Make a favour to Ukraine, they gonna get cucked pretty hard considered their geo location.
Yes.
>>69555596
EU is about to die anyway, so what's the point?
>>69555596
>I am a mindless simpleton, please think for me as I dislike having my own will
>>69555596
bahahahah i cant imagine the look on uckucks when you vote no
>>69555596
No.
Ukies are stupid ugly and smelly
.t person who knows some ukies
Yes
Lets dismantle the EU, kill Merkel's cultural marxist dream
>>69555596
Why Yes / No? Just vote for Putin.
No. Promises were made during Yeltsin's time that EU and NATO wouldn't spread to the east. Fuck the Pentagon for breaking that promise, creating a new cold war atmosphere and thus making a Russia-NATO alliance vs. Muslims impossible. So no.
>>69555596
No.
Trade deals? Won't benefit NL.
Money flow? Ukraine has a massive and documented problem with corruption.
Military partnership with a country already in war and ruled by America? What a brilliant idea.
Yes is a vote for further EU rule. It means Rutte gets a cushy job when he's no longer PM.
There are reasons the government isn't publicizing this much. They're relying on an under 30% turnout so they can simply ignore it.
If it were fully explained and made more public, there would be a much larger turn out and all of it would say no.
>>69555596
Putting Ukraine in the EU will only kick off a war with Russia and the Ukranians aren't worth that
Vote Yes so you can see EU collapse faster
>>69555596
No. It's just a way for the EU to have more lebensraum to fill countries with more shitskins
1. Ukraine is a fake country, it shouldnt even exist. Its a Backstabbing country with a history of unbelievable sadistic and barbaric tendencies.
2. The EU will be gone in the next 5 years anyway, so why even bother.
3. I'd rather have North Korea in the EU. More trustworthy.
YES
E
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>>69555596
No
Because they will fuck you up and will have Ukraine by the balls thus being able to do what ever they want with your country.
Romania is a good example: if you want in, tone down your industry and sell it as scrap metal. (considering we are both eastern european, your politicians will find a way to make good money from this and will fuck up all your industry)
They will also have major power over your economy and currency.
Being in the free market, major corporations will use their influence to fuck up your local industry or agriculture so they will have a monopoly there. (a former gov official here admitted to this yesterday, admiting embassies also pull strings for foreign corporations)
Its basically committing suicide.
>>69555596
Oh fuck no
It's enough that countries like us are already in
>>69555596
>>69555775
Misread that; thought you were a Ukie living in Holland.
>>69555931
>>69555596
This desu. If he's not in the ballot, write him in yourself.
Wait, are the ukes as hot as the hot Russians? If so, then yes.
Also, it would be good to rustle Putin's jimmies...
>>69556007
Good.
I saw a speach by Frans Timmermans regarding the situation, and one thing stood out for me was that he mentioned that the country needs Eu support in order to get rid of their corruption, bad leadership, etc etc.
In my opinion FIRST the country should prove they are suitable to join the EU and then they be granted this opportunity.
Remember how desperate nationalists in other eastern European countries are to get out of the EU.
>>69555596
>Can vote
>Doesn't use his own brain to form his own opinion
Ben je net 18 geworden ofzo
>>69556161
Ukrainian women tend to rate pretty high in polls about the most beautiful women on earth.
>>69556161
>geopolitics based on muh dick
>>69556178
It's another EU power grab. I hope a Brexit happens and we get our chance to follow.
To be honest Ukraine may be very corrupt, but so is the EU.
Hang them all.
Verraders uit.
>>69556256
>been abroad for the last year and haven't really been following the situation there
>niet kunnen lezen als een kankermongool
>>69555867
Americans seriously believe this.
My only exposure to Ukraine is the documentary winter on fire and Vice concerning their response to pharmacies pushing codine illegally for krokadil. So I say hello yes. They are a proud, strong country that will fight for their freedom and may just save your cuckolded asses from the rapeugees. They remind me of Russia except they're not littoral niggers. I see no downside.
Vote Against it
Fuck Jewkraine
>>69555803
>pip
>naming your rat pip
my sides.
NEE.
Cheers all vote will be no
>>69555596
NO, DON'T FUCKING LISTEN TO ANYONE ELSE! FUCKING NO! LOOK AROUND YOU! THEY ARE KILLING DEMOCRACY! JOIN RUSSIA LIKE YOUr LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT WANTED!
>>69556690
Tell your friends and spread the message.
Government really trying to hide it.
Minimal mention in the media, polling stations late to be decided, whatever dirty tricks they can offer.
its a double edged sword.
if you vote no, your standard of living doesnt decrease as fast but you are still on a sinking ship
if you vote yes, ukraine's economy gets put on welfare from EU and your living standards decrease a bit, BUT the ship sinks faster :)
>>69556315
The EU is one of the least corrupted, and most fair and democratic centralized governing bodies in the world, actually.
Sure, it might be undemocratic for you, but it's very democratic compared to the Russian government, or the Chinese government. The EU is a meritocracy, while the 2 former mostly rely on friendships and connections to reach high positions.
And the EU is not to only organisation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SKqVzlHc9o
Cooperation is the way forward, stop being afraid of change.
>>69555596
No, Ukraine is rightfully russian clay.
>>69556075
>1. Ukraine is a fake country, it shouldnt even exist.
muahaha. so adorable. good luck with that xD
>>69555596
No. Ukrainians should be the ones ruling their country and dealing with our own shit (and we got plenty of it)
>>69555596
No. save our kokols from the cucks.
>>69555596
Voting yes here.
Putin shills, all of you.
WORLD DOMINATION FOR THE EU
>>69555596
Yes.
Take them in please.
Dunno. If you vote yes, EU will flood their cuntry with refugees, which is bad, but since nationalism on rise in Ukraine they maybe do good job on reducing their overall amount.
>>69555883
So are you apparently, its a clever way to ensure that the thread takes off since plenty of people like to force their political views on others.
It's almost like Cunningham's Law.
>>69555596
Nah.
Jean Claude Juncker said, ukrain will not even join EU in CENTURYS
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/eu-juncker-schliesst-beitritt-der-ukraine-fuer-jahrzehnte-aus-14104445.html#/elections
![VlgdOlF[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5aJ7hP3.jpg "VlgdOlF[1].jpg")
Ukraine has still shitload of work to do before they get to board the EU train. But Ukraine has one of the sexiest girls imo. They are also white.
>EU at all
Ukraine polish vassal yes
>>69556800
>It's slightly better than an outright dictatorship so it's not THAT bad
This 'cooperation' is killing Dutch industry and production. It makes imports cheaper than domestic product, it kills national security and turns the country into a province.
"Democracy". Remember when NL voted to keep its constitution?
Remember when the EU ignored that and just renamed the bill?
Yeah, fuck off shill.
First of all, It's not about Ukraine in the EU. It's about a association agreement between the EU and the Ukraine and you should vote No. Why?
1. Our government outrights lied about it. They said it was merely a trade deal, when it most certainly is not. It is also military and political. And remember, this is a country split in civil war.
2. Despite being 'merely a trade deal', Juncker said a No will result in a continental crisis.
3. George Soros supports the yes campaign.
4. The only arguments you'll hear from the yes campaign are "With a no you'll help Putin!" And "Ukraine won't be part of the EU because of this agreement!"
5. They also claim trade with Ukraine is good, but its economy its as big as the economy of North Holland.
6. This agreement is part of the reason the civil war broke out with the help of globalists.
7. The EU is terrible and you don't wish it upon the Ukraine.
8. The democratic gap between EU politics and its citizens is too big, we have no say in it what so ever, and this referendum is a tool show we want to have a say in the matter.
9. They also claimed that normal citizens are incompetent to cast a vote about this, but not when we vote for parlement of course.
There's a lot of reasons to vote no or yes, but these are sentiments.
Also it isn't binding so they'll have a debate about it and ignore the result anyhow.
There are a lot of sources with big articles, so you can educate yourself if you want, check tpo.nl and voorstem.nl
>>69555596
Why do the Dutch get to choose?
>>69556848
Achmed pls.
>>69555596
No because I don't want none of that chernobyl radiation coming over here and taking our jobs.
>>69557115
Because some Putin shills from a far right weblog managed to get 400,000 signatures to demand a referendum.
Pretty badass actually, yay democracy.
Also vote yesh.
>>69556800
>The EU is a meritocracy
So that is why you have morons running the show in Brussels?
6 April pas kanker jong
Wait so there is a referendum today?
Didn't Russia warn Ukraine not to join the EU?
>>69555596
Why would you allow them in?
They are protected by NATO yet you do nothing while they have a foreign enemy occupying them.
Joining the EU would not help solve their current problem
>>69557115
Because the BeNeLux are the actual rulers of the EU. Germany and Merkel are just pawns. It where the Dutch all along.
>Ukraine in EU: Yes / No
But that's not what you are voting for is it? No country can get into EU that fast and definitely not one that is currenty in war and it's borders are not even decided yet.
Personally I would vote yes because I don't like what Russians are doing in Ukraine.
>>69557115
Because they have a new law that you have to put up a referendum if enough people sign the petition no matter what it is about or something like that.
>>69557212
Don't worry Russia, after Putin dies and a liberal, democratic government is installed, you can also join the EU and reach higher living standards and have your human rights protected.
>>69557400
>>69557400
No thanks. Sovereignty above all. Fuck the EU and fuck you.
>>69555596
>ukraine
no such thing
>>69557264
Ukraine is not part of NATO. What are you talking about?
>>69557438
>8
>>69557400
Oh imagine the shitstorm ensued when those Boris uneducated bumfucks join our lovely civilized union.
I thought that they'd be too proud to join us? Fucking Ruskies. MH17 was shot down by a Russian missle. We will not forget.
>>69557297
And what are Russians doing in Ukraine?
Do you like what EU is doing in Ukraine?
Funding and supporting oligarchs who fan the flames of nationalist hatred towards Russians while stealing everything they can?
How did you conclude EU is the good side here?
>>69557270
It is once again the Dutch that rule Europe
>>69557462
You rather be sovereign but have absolutely no say in the way your country is governed, lmao, what a cuck
In fact you are not sovereign, you are just a puppet of your country, your individual life is seen as worthless, they don't care about you. Go suck Alexander Dugin's collectivist cock
>>69557535
Before Romania and other eastbloc countries joined the EU they had levels of corruption and shit economy as Ukraine today. But now they are decent countries again.
>>69557400
Liberal democratic government is "installed"?
Yeah, I think that's the reason they oppose it so much. One such government was installed in 90's with Western backing and it ended very bad.
>>69557696
I don't know, Russia seems pretty shit today.
I don't know why /pol/ loves Russia so much, they are one of the most degenerate countries on earth, they just hide the facts.
>>69557535
stay mad
>>69555596
NO, because i dont want another greece
>>69557674
Romania and Bulgaria are far some decent countries.
Absolute depressing polluted and unemployed shitholes. I think we should demote them to some B-member state in the European Union. I don't see them as full. In Ro and Bul people still get around using horse carriages outside the capitals man. Also almost all of our whores are from that region because there it is not frowned upon for the elders of the family to send the young girls to prostitute themselves. Absolute degenerate gypsies.
Keep your pimp hand strong.
Vote yes.
>>69557674
lmao; you're kidding , right?
>>69555596
Depends, are they going to bribe me with an Ukranian cutie or two?
Also, aren't Ukrainians basically Russians anyway?
>>69557785
Because all the stats you post here are product of either Soviet Union, Soviet decline in 80's or "liberty and democracy" (ensured by tanks firing on parliament) from 90's.
You observe things from statistical perspective, some Russians observe them differently. They believe "liberal democratic pro-Western" government is simply a cool name for satraps installed by directives from West (America).
Russian people endured much shit historically so they see things different way.
>>69557823
Relax boris, one day you might be able to join civillization, but not yet.
>>69557606
>You rather be sovereign but have absolutely no say in the way your country is governed
Implying you have one.
Say hello to your new neighbor named Ahmed. He's here because someone fucked up and demanded that you accept him.
>In fact you are not sovereign
I am in control of my own life. There are things that are above one's individuality such as society, the concepts of nation, state. I rather have gangsters in Kremlin rather than being occupied by some foreign entity. At least with gangsters there's a slight chance they'll have at least some of the country's interests in mind.
But please do accept hohols. They've ruined their own country - they'll ruin yours.
>>69557856
It takes time to undo Russian and Soviet influence, but your economy is growing and you have a starting middle class.
Romania has a developing, upper-middle income market economy, the 17th largest in the European Union by total nominal GDP and the 13th largest based on purchasing power parity. After they joined the EU, the country has become a regional leader in multiple fields, such as IT and motor vehicle production. Bucharest, the capital city, is one of the largest financial and industrial centres in Eastern Europe.
So don't expect your country become Norway 2.0 in 5 years, it takes time.
>>69557856
He's not. Just like Montenegro is "democratic" state by Western standards but we're ruled by same party last 27 years and every election including independence referendum was rigged.
Western EUphiles believe in greater good, so if you are friendly with West your corruption magically disappears.
We're ruled by mafia leader de facto, but EU officials here all give him support and kind words.
No. I don't wanna you cucked liberal shit with dozens of feminists, mudslimes and niggers.
>>69555596
not going to vote, couldn't give a shit ukraine is not important
>>69557955
If you call "civillization" opening borders for shitskins and giving up to them your women, i would say fuck you and your "civillization", you just ignorant.
>>69558085
you are kidding right now ?
The kapital of eastern europe is not Bucharest. Its prague. Also Beograde has the largest airport in eastern europe for cargo and persons.
>>69558183
at least we don't have aids like shitskins
>>69558158
It means NL gets fucked and has to pay for Ukraine.
Would you like to pay more, get less and be more involved in a war against Russia for EU ambition?
>>69557955
>le weed man telling me drugs are bad
top kek
>civillization
>cancerous sjw-ridden bureaucratic abomination that is EU
kys retarded nigger
>>69556064
>>69556075
The flags of Monaco and Poland have aligned, this satisfies my autism.
On-topic: Vote against the treaty, it will not benefit the Netherlands, it is not even certain whether it will benefit the European Union.
The treaty itself is hundreds of pages long, if you vote for the association you're basically saying you agree with all these pages, which would be either the biggest coincidence of all time or just an indicator of how cucked you are.
>>69558019
Russia is no more than a typical autocratic state growing on land rich with mineral resources. The society there underwent a transformation typical for parasitic organisms: all organ systems not needed for eating and shitting were eliminated by natural selection, including sight, hearing, and brain. Russia has no need to invest into infrastructure, industry, agriculture, science, no need to provide normal environment for business. The whole country is fueled with money that comes from selling oil, gas, metals etc., and the only purpose of the government is to distribute this money from top to down, stealing as much of it as possible in the process.
>>69557863
>aren't Ukrainians basically Russians anyway?
Some are, some aren't. It's a communist frankenstain country, Lenin mixed rus and non-rus in one to supress rus nationalism. Kinda hilarious they now pretend to be an ancient country within the very borders bolsheviks created less then a century ago.
>>69555596
No.
>>69555596
Vote no. We don´t need corrupted slav drunks in our elite club. Let Russia have Ukraine they are lost cause!
>>69557674
The only reason Romania would be any better is because they send all their gypos to us
>>69558085
In Ceausescu period (I don't defend him) they had no debt.
Now debt is 40% of their GDP.
It's all fictional neoliberal growth, funded by handouts and credits.
How you fix a country: "shock therapy" in early 90's, total destruction of production and living standard, credits from West, fictional growth, the magic of neoliberal economics!
>>69558225
>>69558225
Read again you stupid illerate fuck
"Bucharest, the capital city, is one of the largest financial and industrial centres in Eastern Europe."
Never said it is the ''capital of eastern europe"
>>69558308
the whole referendum isn't even about the Ukraine it's actually about the general dissatisfaction with the EU.
>>69555596
No.
Just to fuck up the EU even more
>>69558294
Yes, instead you have shitskins itselves
>>69558443
still its not one of the largest financial and industrial centres in Eastern Europe. More and more Carproducers are producing in Serbia for example because there is no embargo and there is taxfree trading. Romania is a shithole nothing else. Why should it be one of the largest finacial and industrial centres in Eastern Europe. Shithead. Have you ever been in Bucharest ?
>>69557199
Flikker alsjeblieft op alexander
>>69558450
Just another reason to vote and vote no desu.
>>69557068
It isn't a civil war, it's a Russian invasion. Yanakovich (probably spelled wrong) ran on and won an election to be pm or president promising to sign an agreement with eu. He didn't instead signing one with Russia. At which point he was politely told gtfo or die. Then Russia invaded after the eu agreement was signed. Since the early soviet days Russia has been starving Ukrainians to death and moving Russians in. This isn't simply weather Ukraine should be part of the eu, if nothing is done the Ukrainian people will be massacred and Russia will get that much bigger. Also any country wishing to break from an evil dictatorship will realize they have no hope. Freedom and democracy will slowly die. Anywhere a people cry out for freedom the free world has an obligation to answer. 'Murica
>>69558354
Everything you said no matter how true or false changes little in fact that we as nation decide our own fate be it decline or prosperity.
You on the other hand can only helplessly witness as some group of people who doesn't give even two shits about your future, or future of your nation/culture, decide the fate of the whole continent.
>>69558294
atleast we in the middle of solving this, but i dont see how you solving your shitskins.
S T A Y M A D
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Meh, whatever. Letting in another failed state would only speed up the downfall of EU. At least we would get some white economic migration to diversify the kebab that keeps pouring in.
>>69558632
>Since the early soviet days Russia has been starving Ukrainians to death and moving Russians in.
Holy shit no one can be this retarded. It's not the Baltic states, you know.
Shoo-shoo, shill.
>>69558538
how many muslims do you have again? yeah that's right Boris, more than us
>>69558570
Tijd voor je middagdutje Theo.
Also vote yes.
>>69558673
>in the middle
I wish
as for shitskins, race war is a thing
>>69555596
Nigger, how can Ukraine be in EU if it's an african tier country which was specifically told that it can't join EU?
>>69555596
1. It's not about joining the EU, it's about signing an association agreement with it, as far as I know.
2. The country is a corrupt shithole that's getting worse with every day. According to analytics, it will achieve the pre-Yanukovitch economic levels in about 15-20 years - and these are positive forecasts! (Yanukovitch is the previous dictator the Ukrainian people deposed, after having elected him 3 years before that, after having deposed him some 5 years before that a few weeks after having elected him at the very beginning). It already has more debt than it will ever be able to pay, is constantly asking for more $$$, and its current elected leaders steal all the money they receive long before they can be poured into the economy.
Moreover, people there make less than $2000 a year, and men are constantly drafted and sent into a war zone where corrupt commanders frequently sell them out to invading Russian forces. If visas are canceled with Ukraine, Europe is gonna get a shitload of low-skilled, undisciplined refugees who don't give a fuck about law and are willing to do just about anything for under $300/month.
>>69558567
Its still a shithole but less a shithole. European big brother forces them higher standards on governing and reduced corruption
>>69558632
>Soviet days
>Russia has been starving Ukraine
>Russia, which didn't exist
>while all power was held by Georgian dictator
>while famine affected many Russians too
>Ukrainian oligarchs are "freedom and democracy"
Either a turbohohol or turbofat.
>>69555596
Vote yes so all the russiaboos get mad.
>>69556800
BREXIT WHEN
6 votes for no just from my immediate family. Get folks to vote no buds.
>>69558632
Didn't the US orchestrate a regime change? With Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland and her cronies?
Didn't the current Ukrainian president arm Right wing extremists? Didnt Kiev abolish Russian as a national language? Didn't they send Ukrainians to the east to murder other Ukrainians? Didn't they cut the Crimea of after annexation letting all those former ukranians to their fate?
>>69556931
Junker wants the Turks tho.
>>69558807
>>69558806
This, it is not about entering the EU or them being able to travel through the EU. It's a trade agreement that is meant to safe Ukrainian dieing economy and give the Ukrainian people better lives.
Save Uki girl
Well. Ukraine > Turkey, if you ask me.
>>69558673
more like amused your country is consistently getting worse
IT will be rigged by ZOG anyway. You will hear ZOG's will.
>>69558853
Gypsie
>>69558872
I'm not sure about number 4 but rest of your post is more or less correct.
People ignore Kiev satraps literally sent troops first to ensure "loyalty" of East.
They also sent some thugs like Right Sector to "reeducate" dissidents.
>>69556800
>The EU is one of the least corrupted, and most fair and democratic centralized governing bodies in the world, actually.
>people actually believe this
>>69557863
Ukr. girls (Expect hordes of them if ukraine will somehow join Europe) can be pretty beautifull but expect to tame them. Chicken brains but extremly cunning when it comes to money. Do not threat as equalls, or they will jump from your dick onto your neck pretty fast.
>>69558872
>Didn't they cut the Crimea of
Yeah, was kind hilarious durr referendum at gunpoint let muh people go and at the same time badurrr cut drinking water and electicity and food trade death to them all crimea will be ukranian or empty.
>>69558742he Ukrainian Famine was dreadful famine premeditated by the Soviet Union, headed by Joseph Stalin during 1932-1933, as a means to undermine the nationalistic pride of the Ukrainian people. It served to control and further oppress the Ukrainian people by denying them the basic vital essentials they needed to survive. The Ukrainian Famine is also known as Holodomor, meaning “death by hunger.” http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/ukraine_famine.htm
>>69558905
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>implying the trade agreement is not just gonna flood ukranian market with high-quality european goods which will fuck them even worse destroying what little they still have
How the fuck is a third world shithole supposed to meet EU regulations?
>>69559087
How long has Crimea "belonged" to xoxols anyway?
>>69558905
>It's a trade agreement that is meant to safe Ukrainian dieing economy
It's a trade agreement that is meant to hook Ukraine to exporting cheap labor, effectively abandoning local production and stripping it off of any competitive industries that are still left, stagnating their shit economy forever.
>>69558791
im working in tubercular clinic. We working
>>69558905
That's what our media tells you but in fact, we are the ones that will get fucked over by it.
>>69557606
Come now Netherlands. No one gives a shit about you or any of the people in your country, who don;t give a hit about eachother. Thats why so many dregs of humanity gravitate to the whore town of Amsterdam. Nationalism is just a large family.
>>69555596
No, it's a terrible idea that's the equivalent to getting on the titanic when it's an hour away from the nearest iceberg.
>>69555596
I heard it'not actual referendum where you decide things but a plebiscite where government will hear your opinion and do whatever it wants anyway. I must say I'm impressed with western democracy.
>>69559244
you tried
>>69559051
You believe silly memes you read on the internet. and you base your opinion on that, while the reality is the opposite. You have no idea how the EU is governed, how it works and how what it is based upon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_European_Union
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SKqVzlHc9o
>>69559132
In short, we have to pay to fix Ukraine's rubbish economy while our own welfare for the native Dutch gets scrapped in favor of housing more and more rapefugees.
And people wonder why we want out of the EU if the UK leaves too.
>>69558936
you show your ignorance again.
>>69556064
>>69556075
BY THEIR POWERS COMBINED, THEY FORM
AUSTRIA
>>69558746
Ze hebben meer moslims, maar minder van dit soort schijt:
http://www.tubantia.nl/regio/enschede-en-omgeving/enschede/nieuwe-moskee-in-enschede-mag-tweede-minaret-bouwen-1.5697169
Translation: New mosque is allowed to build a second minaret.
Use google translate for the rest and the comments.
Minarets are those whiny-sounding towers used to summon muslims for prayer.
IGNORE PAID BRUSSELS SHILLS
>>69559139
1954 ecли cчитaть чтo хpyщeв cдeлaл или 1991
>>69558905
I think it effectively removes the border between Ukraine and the EU, removing most trade tariffs as well as canceling visas (so Ukrainians will be able to go to Europe freely and unchecked). I might be mistaken here, though.
It ain't going to save the Ukrainian economy anyway: its leaders are corrupt degenerates who pillage their own country, its industry is in ruins (has been for decades now) and it basically has nothing substantial to offer to the European markets. Once the flow of money from Europe and America - money nobody's ever going to return - ceases, the country will go Somalia and probably fall apart, association agreement or no.
>>69559127
>Hohlodomor
Except the famine hit all the southern regions of the USSR, not just Ukraine. Get your facts straight.
But that's not what sounded ridiculous about your post.
It's the implication that Ukranians are somehow a different nation and not a derivative of the greater Russian ethnos which consisted of White Russians (Belorussians), Great Russians and Small Russians (Malorossy - today's Ukranians).
>>69559365
>paid
They probably do it for free Henk.
>>69559325
Actually it completely depends on what party you vote for. The Dutch people greatly voted in favour of the VVD which is the anti-welfare party so you get what you wanted. If you want welfare, then vote for the Socialist cucks. Stop complaining.
>>69558156
This, tbqh.
Before joining EU, EU needs to solve the refugee, cuck and lgbt problems, preferably with genocide for all three groups, only then EU will be something civilized.
>>69559349
i am? your country's economy is shit tier and you're cucked by NATO. look >>69557606
>>69559307
lol
>>69559127
Great source.
In reality it was commie incompetence, not some plan for genocide.
How do you deal with the fact Russians died too?
How was it ''Russians'' who did that? Stalin was a Georgian. Russia and Ukraine were part of communist state ruled by a Georgian dictator.
How is that Russia?
>>69559307
>silly memes
He's not talking about political constitution of EU, he's talking about corruption. And he's absolutely right.
EU is corrupt.
EU is nothing but an enforcer for the interests of rich in Europe, especially from Germany and France.
>>69559538
about time
>>69556454
>making excuses to being politically illiterate
Confirmed for underage
>>69556007
This nigger gets it.
>>69556178
And this as well. Aside from that be EU will "remove" corruption and will instead make "lobbying" viable in the Ukraine. Those bureaucrats in that parlement are only their to further their own and the ogliarchs needs.
>>69559538
Go boast about your irrelevancy more, but don't forget to bow to your German/US/Israeli/Saudi overlords, scum.
>>69559602
Who the fuck is Jeremy Stafford?
Spooky.
>>69559379
They consider themselves different. Different enough to want to distance themselves from Russia, which is all I need to hear. It will only benefit Europe and the free world I'm general in the long run. If you read the article Stalin stopped goods from flowing into Ukraine burned farms and arrested/killed their leaders.
>>69559650
i'm not boasting? why are you mad
>>69559768
>They consider themselves different.
They also kill those who do not. A minor detail, I know.
>>69559768
>They consider themselves different.
Some do. Do you understand?
SOME people in Ukraine see themselves as vastly different from Russians.
Usually in Western Ukraine. Outside of Western Ukraine, many if not most don't hold such opinions.
>It will only benefit Europe and the free world
Do you have any idea what is going in Ukraine right now?
Like some general idea?
Holy fuck it's like talking to a troglodyte.
>>69559768
>which is all I need to hear.
>prefering ignorance over facts
Don't forget to make your homework, underage Billy
>>69559768
The ones in the western half do, the ones in the east would rather remain neutral or in the Russian sphere of influence.
You might have missed the civil war that started over this issue.
Isn't voting on 6 april? Fucking impossible to find any information on this.
>>69560254
Yes, don't you have your voting pass? It literally says it on the pass.
>>69560371
I do. I got a bit confused by the OP and would rather not miss my chance to vote (no)
>>69559054
Thanks for the thumbs up. Can't wait to drown in Ukranian pussy tho.
>>69559768
Last/ most important point. One day the struggle in Ukraine will be used as propaganda. Either by the free world to say anywhere freedom wants to exist it shall. Or by Russia to say resistance is futile.
>>69555596
No.
Why would we accept a country that has nothing to offer, will only leech money and cause tension with russia?
>>69560783
Have you seen the people who run Brussels?
>>69559054
That holds true for almost all women, it's general female behaviour. The good thing is, as local woman care very little for foreign women you can basically do whatever you want without any public outcry.
Of course Americans want the EU to fall: It is directly competing with them and their economy and has already succeeded their GDP. lmao.
>>69561009
Why would Americans want EU to fail buddy?
EU is their main ally, a bureaucratic mess that allows their elites to push down legislation on the EU countries and protect their interests.
Americans want a WEAK EU. There is difference.
Check what's going on with TTIP and you'll realize I'm right.
EU is anything but some European super-state protecting European interests.
>>69561009
Which explains their uwillingness to stop the migrant crisis. Same goes for Russia, who are deliberately bombing hospitals (I know this sounds alu hat) in order to destroy basic infrastructure to survive. Weakening EU and carrying out geopolitics by utilizing war victims. Horrible.
>>69555596
No
this should be a no brainer with merkel at the top.
>>69561535
>Which explains their uwillingness to stop the migrant crisis.
>Same goes for Russia
I swear my brain melted just from reading this.
It's AMERICAN and RUSSIAN fault that your own retarded governments and EU can't say FUCK OFF to refugees?
Doesn't that make you think, maybe EU is not what you imagine it to be?
>>69561009
Ever heard of mutually assured destruction? Applies to economies as well as nukes. I'm very at odds with the way all currency is tied to ours, which is being regarded as highly at toilets in india. The day our stock market dropped 1000 puts in 1 day I thought that was it, and I had a huge smile on my face. But that's not what this is about. I was taught as a kid that America and the free world in general fought for freedom anywhere it sprang up. Obviously I got red pulled pretty hard on that, but I'd like to make it a reality for the furture.
>>69561781
We can't say no to Refugees thanks to motherfucking Human Rights, the basic human rights. All those conventions and shit you know. And if you want your brain to melt a little bit more keep on reading.
I also add Erdoghan to the equation.
>>69556800
>Zoveel leugens in 1 post.
>>69555596
If you join the united states of euroe you will be comparable to the arse end of arazona/new mexico.
Im talking about the reddest shade of neck on the whitest shade of trash.
NEVER, NEVER! ! !
>>69562260
What human rights buddy, there is an obligation (for those who ratified the conventions speaking of this) to harbor refugees in the nearest safe country.
Turkey is by all humanitarian standards a safe country. So is Saudi Arabia for example.
These people are nothing but economic migrants.
As for the real motives behind this, think a bit.
>>69559886
Just mocking your boasting about the quality of life and being part of EU "empire".
>>69562887
Put erdoghanny blackmailed the EU into taking their refugees.
I don't agree with this situation either and I'm glad we can find eachother in our dissatisfaction, but we've simply been dealt a shitty hand mate. Imagine Europe being somewhere near Iceland and far away from the shitholes we call the middle-east and Arica. At least the based Serbs, Austrians, Macedonian's etc closed their borders.
Fuck the greeks too.
Vote yes.
MINDER
>>69561535
>Same goes for Russia, who are deliberately bombing hospitals
I think I heard about that. Kunduz something or whatever.
Anyway, nice meme. Exquisite.
>>69563251
What does it speak of Europe in general when an Islamist stooge can blackmail the entire continent?
EU has bad stance on so many issues, and the biggest fucking problem is those stances appear to be set in stone.
I understand perspective of pro-EU people, I was pro-EU myself for many reasons before this shit.
This shit exposed EU for what it is.
And they want fucking TURKEY inside EU? Are you supporting that?
You will realize too in time that your dreams are simply dreams and EU will never be what you think it should be.
Road to hell is paved with good intentions.
>>69563774
MINDER MINDER MINDER
>>69563774
good post
>>69555938
What promises? Not a single written document.
But Russian fascists broke Budapest Memorandum in which Ukraine agreed to dismantle nuclear arsenal for territorial integrity. Russkies violated it, so Ukraine can make (and they can) nuclear bombs again.
>>69563251
>closed their borders
Even if borders were open no one would ever come there. Watch some youtube footage for god's sake, migrants want either Sweden or Germany and nothing else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmqbtyfQ3f8
>>69564719
>they can
Not really, making nuclear weapons is not as easy as you think.
Ukraine can't make nuclear weapons. They have the resources but they lack the expertise.
Not to mention no one will allow them to.
Vote no for gods sake
>>69557942
During Soviet times there were no public statistics at all.
>>69555931
If Trump's not on the ballot, I'm going to be voting for Putin myself here. If a war breaks out, I'm fighting for Putin.
>>69558402
This nigga knows what he's talking about. The EU sucks it's undemocratic and terrible for everyone involved. It should be dissolved as soon as possible.
>>69565557
And how does that relate to my post?
Eastern Ukraine goes back to Russia, western Ukraine goes back to Poland.
Just like it was for the last 1,000 fucking years.
Problem solved.
Everyone there is 200% corrupt, and ukrainians have a history of unbelievable sadistic and barbaric tendencies.
UPA animals were so barbaric, it made even nazi ss heads spin in disbelief.
>>69565207
>but they lack the expertise.
Not sure about that. Ukraine designed some Soviet ICBMs. They can try to pull some poor bastards out of retirement assuming they are still alive.
>>69565017
Yeah but they still have to walk through war torn balkan shit.
>>69564206
Turkey will never join the EU.It's not that simple, if we don't deal with Erdoghan he will set open the floodgates or get back in bed with Putin.
How do you think the EU should deal with Turkey?
>>69563774
Kankergrappig.
>>69565783
Ukraine didn't design it, USSR did. Westerners need to understand that there was no Russia and Ukraine in Soviet times, except as administrative units.
And most of that industry is in the East.
>>69563774
>>69565819
>How do you think the EU should deal with Turkey?
How does a serious entity or state deal with threats?
By neutralizing them.
Sanctions, threaten to close EU markets to Turkey, and if he tries anything funny bomb the shit out of him. Of course this is the most extreme and bad choice but I'm explaining you what tools to REAL entities have in foreign policy dealings.
I'm trying to explain it to you this whole thread: EU is not an entity working for interests of me and you, average Europeans.
It's an entity designed to profit rich Europeans, for example wealthy and powerful German business.
All this immigration has logic from economic perspective. From societal and political perspective, it has none.
No good will come to Europe from importing millions of Muslims who live by totally different values.
But they still do it, because economic interest overrides popular interest.
Because EU is nothing but a neoliberal sham.
If you like European unity and you think Europe can only survive by unity, start supporting real things instead of a fantasy.
I'd even forgive their globalism if it was ''regional'', if it aimed to create some mash of EUROPEAN cultures and unite Europe.
But instead, their goal seems to be to make us all Americans across the Atlantic.
>>69565750
Keep dreaming pshek.
>>69567073
Stay ass-mad, shprot
>>69567073
>sprat coproresisting for hohol swinedoggies
>>69555596
Yes. They won't join the EU anyway but you'll show Moscow a fuck you for destroying that plane
The EU is disintegrating, so I don't know if there is any reason to join.
Also
>allowed to vote on Ukraine
>not allowed to vote on mass muslim immigration
>>69567266
Do world a favour - inject yourself coaxil. The faster - the better. Fucking katsap scum.
>>69555596
Vote yes.
Banderist scum will all run towards Gibmoney, Featherlands and Queerden. Millions of trigger-happy Austria-spoilt brainless genociding mountain monkeys evaporate in maybe half a year, taking all the gypsies with them.
Malorossia will become great again, we'll just remove the Jews and reannex them into Crimea.
Glorious.
Please.
Vote.
Yes.
>>69555596
No, because the last thing that the EU needs is masses more of unskilled low pay labourers, and furthermore, another piss poor slav country to drain money from EU coffers.
Also, no, because it will harm relations with Russia, and maintaining a stable and beneficial relationship with Russia has actual real benefits for the EU, unlike Ukraine.
>>69567355
>the great fighters against American and European imperialism
>>69555596
Unlikely. It's all just a big lie.
>>69563774
I understood perhaps 1/3 of it. Love your language, it is extremely funny and interesting.
>>69567517
proxy ontopdefecating jewbandera schweincrucian detected
>>69567052
well said
>>69567479
We weren't "allowed" anything. A law was passed last year that allowed citizens' initiatives of at least 300 000 signatures to force a referendum over recently passed legislation, such as this treaty.
If we could force a referendum on the issue trust me man we would.
>>69556800
>EU is a meritocracy
WTF are you smoking? Well yeah, if you consider lack of morals and willingness to sell out your own people merit, then the EU is a meritocracy.
>>69555596
YES. Start WWIII hapenings
Ukraine is our clay, gieb it back.
>>69563774
De verkiezingen kunnen niet snel genoeg komen, Geert gaat minstens 40 zetels halen.
>>69568542
Shall we split it?
Worked out fine for Poland.
>>69555596
NO
O
Why? Because if you vote YES our kike government and kike president will be expose it as their great achievement. But actually they did nothing to fight corruption, raise life standards etc.
>>69568569
This is the only reason to vote.
They'll pull another scam like with the EU constitution. They'll call it something else, but the treaty with the Ukraine will go though. It will cost the Dutch government a few votes that will go to Wilders in the next election.
Good luck losing a lot of your educated people to other EU countries and then getting third-world immigrants in their place along with the regular supply of third-worlders.
>>69569138
>Cohen
8 Z E T E L S
>>69556800
t.schulz
>>69555596
NO pls
