National Socialism discussion thread!
Gas the kikes.
>>69550042
It's right there in the name you dumb fag
Nationalism + Socialism
>>69550068
I was thinking without the racialism.
>>69550042
Nationalism and self-sacrifice.
Basically just nationalism
Autarky
Homogeneous culture
fuck banks
fuck other coutries
"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"
build army
build sense of community
deficit spending
>>69550127
There's a lot of self-sacrifice and community support, huh? But how do you get the community to support each other without bringing on freeloaders? Export them all, right?
I see this thread really didn't get off the ground. Let's just say fascism and military dictatorships get shit done when there is no economy so you better keep making the rich richer or else they'll send your butt off to war.
>>69550042
The same tenets of every other brand of socialism.
>Short term redistribution of wealth to the people
>Followed by economic collapse
Why not be a National Capitalist?
>>69550042
>giving even more power to the government
It's a cuck ideology, you guys just like cuckoldry
>>69550207
>how do you get the community to support each other
Like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7c9tB77YdU
>>69550207
Instil national pride.
If you borrow money off of someone you respect, you will want to pay them back and make every effort to do so.
If you borrow money off a cuck you won't give a fuck and probably blow him out
That's the difference between NatSoc and current welfare state's
I think this is the best description of national socialism, he covers all the bases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCHBmGWcBc
>>69550042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwqml4qKlo
>>69550244
National Capitalist are people like Teddy Roosevelt, Jackson, Polk, Harding, Hoover, and Eisenhower
National Capitalism is a far more stable and prosperous ideology and under the leaders that really embodied National Capitalism, the US became a world super power
National Socialism is still Socialism and bound to fail because the economics arent sound
>>69550042
90% of the posters here would be sterilized
>>69550477
I've honestly never heard of National Capitalism, honestly. Just never thought about it. Interesting...
>>69550565
National Capitalist are basically Americans from 1880 to 1950
Teddy Roosevelt is a prime example. Mass assimilation, creating competitive markets by fucking the banks and trusts, expansionist, self sufficient nation with domestic resources and domestic industry, fuck other countries especially spain
>>69550477
Socialism fails because of people taking advantage of the system. If you have a truly nationalist society, then people wouldn't. It's the only scenario that Socialism can work, Capitalism is far more flexible and low maintenance but inevitably leads to moral and social decay
>>69550565
National Socialism flowed into a fascist military movement quite fluidly and accomplished all the goals they were aiming for until they overextended which was basically the point.
>>69550727
this
>>69550727
>Nationalism prevents socialism from moral and social decay
>Nationalism cannot prevent capitalism from moral and social decay
lol wut
Being a nationalists and a socialist
It's kind of like when you take religion seriously and go to battle for your honor and die because this world isn't good enough for you.
>>69550727
any kind of socialism inevitably slows down economic growth and slows down the evolution of the economy because of the command elements that are inflexible and cannot anticipate the future. It is counter intuitive to achieving the goal of autarky because if the nation's economy fails to grow and cannot develop at the same pace of capitalist nations, then the Nat-Soc nation will eventually fall behind and become dependent on other countries to remain relevant
Nat-Cap is the best form of government and market system because it allows for autarky
>>69550868
Poverty over rules nationalism. Nationalism in a capitalist society is only effective when the country is prosperous, if you have an economic downturn and the state won't help its citizens through hardship, national pride will vanish
>>69551113
in capitalist nations, those in poverty have a significantly higher standard of living than in nations where socialism ruled for nearly half a century
Capitalism creates wealth, development, and increase in the standard of living of the citizens of a capitalist nation even if they have been exploited in the process. See Carnegie's Gospel of Wealth for a better idea on that.
National Socialism creates stagnation and preserves a status quo which although ok in the short term, will inevitably fail in the long term because it will fall behind the rest of the world. Nazi Germany never wouldve lasted because of their deficit spending.
>>69551065
If the majority of your population is sincerely dedicated to the advancement of your nation the I can't see how the economy would suffer. I'm not talking full on commie where everyone is equal, but the state should exist to help it's most vulnerable and being a citizen should be more important than your wallet in my opinion.
Can we just talk about how good it was to gas the jews ?
>>69550042
National Socialism is a reactionary ideology which emerged in Germany as a last line of defense against their suffering during those times. Picture a cat backed into a corner, baring it's claws with it's fur ruffled.
It is not a very good system in practice. The entire purpose behind the rituals of government has been thinking of new complex ways to get a benevolent ruler in charge of the country. Whether the ruler is Democratically elected, or appointed through a parliamentary system, or a benevolent oligarchy....there's all sorts of different ways you can attempt to solve this problem.
The problem is that National Socialism just assumes that this leader happens to come along, and isn't a deceiver. Of course the problem is, what happens when the leader dies, and it's time to appoint a successor?
You see the problem. Whether it's now or at some distant point in the future, eventually you're going to get a leader who doesn't care about the people, only for himself. These are the kinds of people that are drawn to power. Once this happens and this madman has absolute power, the people will suffer tremendously and the entire nation will be enslaved.
As you can see, this is not a sustainable system. You must have some sort of mechanism for appointing a leader that doesn't revolve around an oligarchical class, but rather responds to the will of the people.
All in all, this is basically an ideology for people reminiscing about the glory days of Hitler. But it should not be carried forward as a legitimate system of government to define our future.
>>69550196
Also be German.
>>69551396
I disagree that its the government's job to lift its citizens into affluency. The entire point of ultra nationalism and creating a blood bond among citizens is because charity and community banding together to solve problems is a far more effective and cost effective solution to problems than government intervention.
We know that welfare politics is divisive from experience and we also know that the government is far more inefficient than private enterprise. It makes no sense to willingly commit to an economic system that is counter intuitive to achieving the goals of NatSoc/NatCap
Nat Cap is just superior
>>69550042
It was a corrupt and extremely violent criminal ideology that led to the Holocaust and deaths of hundreds of thousands of Allied soldiers.
The only kind of discussion to be allowed about this murderous system is a daily reminder of heinous nazi war crimes and reassurance that it will never happen again.
There you go
>>69551808
Bluepill much
holy shit
>>69550244
Good call, mate.
>>69551808
well said aladin.
>>69551914
It's called truth you know.
>>69551907
>individualism over collectivism
>gun ownership over gun control
>pragmatism over principle
This picture is misleading.
>>69552078
How? I got this straight from Stormfront, full of National Socialists.
>>69552100
Just another proof that nazis are total clueless idiots, who know nothing about their own inhuman ideology. Wow, who knew?
>>69552100
The idea that the Nazis were left wingers is being pushed by a bunch of cuckservatives.
"Democrats are the real racists"
This is a losing line of argument which has doomed the Conservative movement to a steady stream of defeats year after year, decade after decade, until they've lost practically everything.
It loses because it totally accepts the framework of the left. You're arguing within a leftist framework and trying to win. Doesn't work like that, they've already engineered things such that right wingers are always the bad guys.
>>69550042
>National Socialism vs Democracy
The prime objective of national socialism is to create a unified nation that strives for excellence and wherein the people support one another unconditionally.
This is inherently incompatible with democracy.
Democracy is a system that, by design, splits a nation into artifical factions that are in perpetual conflict with each other. Red vs Blue. Green vs Yellow. Etc.
Worse, the system inevitably devolves into corruption by an evolutionary process of sorts: The most successful parties and politicians will always be those that are the best at lying and manipulating the public (so as to get their votes) while actually serving the interests of those that give them the most "donations" (so as to fuel the next campaign of lies and manipulations). Some idealists will emerge, no doubt, but they simply cannot compete with a charismatic professional liar that is backed by connections to mass media.
National socialism seeks to destroy this system and replace it with a single, unified governing body that serves the peoples best interests as a matter of ideology (or, if all else fails, because the people would otherwise remove it).
No more lies, no more smear campaigns, no more empty promises never meant to be kept, no more endless arguments that never lead to action.
It combines two seemingly conflicting notions - the stark and stoic Nationalism with the subservient and altruistic Socialism - so that they may balance each other. The harshness of nationalism is softened by an imperative to help those in need. The weakness of socialism to exploitation is tempered with iron resolve and burning pride.
One nation. One state. From the people, for the people.
>>69552233
"Inhuman ideology"
Take the red pill my friend
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slx74zKQMc
>>69552233
Willhem II took the guns during WWI, Hitler gave them back to the people two years before the end of WW2. That already debunks the "Nazis took the guns" argument.
>>69551796
I never said to raise them into affluence, But people such as our elderly should be support once they cannot work, our sick should be supported. All children should receive the same opportunity's in education regardless of their parents wealth.
Sure currently state run departments are inefficient, because the lure of money from private saps talent away from the government
>>69551535
No.
>>69552411
All of those things are not socialism. Those thing are public goods which are a component of a modern day capitalist nation. Socialism is a market structure, not a fiscal policy conducted by the government using its treasury
>>69550042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcKYxafiYJs
Fucking Neo-Nazis on /pol/ give me cancer.
The reason your idealogy is shit is that it makes everything inside it an echo chamber.
Which is why the last National Socialist government we had ended up killing millions.
>>69552655
NatSoc didnt start WW2 per say
>>69552338
>David Irving
Thanks, but no thanks. I don't watch nazi apologists, i don't watch Holocaust deniers. Their revisionist propaganda is sickening and should not be allowed.
>>69552370
Get educated: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook
Only nazis and their sycophants were allowed to use guns.
Also I'm not pro-gun at all. I believe guns should be owned only by police and armed forces. Firearms have no place in the hands of the population. It's dangerous and usually leads to more violent crimes (e.g. in the US).
>>69552769
Yes they did.
Hitler started WW2 > Hitler was a nazi = Nazis started WW2. l2logical thinking
>>69552596
Is taxing the citizens then funding free public services not a distribution of wealth?
I get the feeling were both assuming the extremes of NatSoc/NatCap when I'm probably more centrist with slightly Soc leaning. But to be honest I'm still feeling my way around and developing my ideas in this area and discussion is always welcomed
>>69552655
Then leave.
No, /pol/ is not satire.
No, we are not stormfront raiders.
/pol/ has always been mostly two elements: NatSocs and Libertarians.
Don't think you newfags have any right to try to push us out. Sure GG and cuckening saw a demographic change, and this new "Alt-Right" bullshit has a fairly large following, but we'll never be gone.
Also if you think /pol/ is an echo chamber, you're a retard because scumbag commies post here regularly.
>>69550068
Amass the keks, ayy lmao NOW
>>69552655
True. I do believe nazis should be banned on /pol once and for all.
>>69552974
That's very over simplified
>>69553041
Too bad.
Ping pong is super verboten?
I've never seen a nazi play ping pong so I'm just assuming here.
>>69550119
This should answer all your questions.
http://www.national-socialism.com/
>>69552832
>Cuckholdry, the post.
Great job being willfully ignorant and believing everything your government tells you.
>>69552832
>Only nazis and their sycophants were allowed to use guns.
Wrong.
Only military personnel, veterans, police and former police were allowed to use guns (in a society where nearly everyone besides Communists had something to do with the military)
>>69553339
Oh yeah, and hunters/sport shooters of course.
>>69553041
>I do believe nazis should be banned on /pol once and for all.
>>69552990
Taxation is not socialism.
I'll compare the differences between the european model and american models of creating public goods.
In American, when the government wants to build roads or something, the government used tax money to charter a private contractor and private construction company to design and build the roads. This is a public good that has been created by private enterprise which has been funded by tax payers. The purpose of government is for protection of citizens, funding of public goods, and to regulate and enforce laws derived from a common morality of its parent nation's culture. Capitalist nations can tax their own citizens or tax trade goods to fund public goods such as roads, street lights, navies, militaries, etc. The government does not control the manufacturing, contracting, or resource production for a public good in a capitalist nation. They only take the bill and specifications while private industry takes over the rest.
A socialist nation like european shitholes, when creating public goods, do not contract private industry, they acquire ownership of the industries to create the public goods. Sukhoi in russia for example is owned by the government and controlled by the government despite existing as a seemingly separate firm. This is socialism and this is what Nazi Germany did with their military and other industries. They took over industries in order to create public goods rather than take the bill for private industry to create them.
The reason you want the government to take the bill and not take control of the industry is because the bureaucracy and procedural complications that come as a result of government ownership of an industry, they become hopeless inefficient and are too inflexible to compete in an ever evolving global market which makes Autarky impossible.
When the government picks up the bill for private industry to create public goods, it is growing the private sector of the economy
>>69550727
that's not socialism ffs
>>69552769
>per say
>American education
>>69552994
>/pol/ is not satire maymay
Newfag detected.
>>69553881
>singapore
>a real nation
>>69553919
>damage control
Hadding Scott is probably the best source in terms of attaining an unbiased view of National Socialism. Here is a link to his blog, National Socialist Worldview with the tag "primary documents".
http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com/search/label/Primary%20Documents
>>69550042
>Basic tenets of National Socialism?
Walk around in a group of men, preying on weaker groups of people until your group becomes large enough to control a country. Then you invent an ideology for your people to follow and shove it down the throat of the rest of the world.
So pretty much sell your self control for someone else's deluded dreams.
Oh and don't forget to gas the kikes and kebabs.
The last party forgot the kebabs and none of the other countries wanted to come to a shit party with no kebabs. Turkey brought their own kebabs and Japan eats sushi.
Sieg Heil.
>>69553525
So basically you're saying Private run companies, but the citizens bill is footed by the government via taxes in areas such as healthcare?
But what's to stop the private companies becoming greedy and overcharging the government for their service's? The company I use to work for use to sell stone/sand to the Army at x3 the normal selling price, and because the MoD are retards they pay for it.
Or now I currently work on a dock yard where royal fleet auxiliary ships from the 70's are being refurbished for no reason, then mothballed/scrapped because the government has no idea what the fuck they're spending money on and the private dockyard is taking the piss out of them.
If the industry was nationalised then they would have no reason to overcharge themselves, and your main gripe seems to be that the gov is inefficient. Surely that could be rectified easily enough by hiring the correct talent and having the departments more or less self governing
>>69553469
Well Nazis are better than the average /pol/ack so for once I agree with an US poster.
>>69550042
I always wondered, what specific actions the Natsocs did to make the economy in Germany prosper so well in such a short time? I always only find bluepilled sources who want to denounce Hitler and the movement.
Does someone has a deeper insight?
>>69554667
secret labor camps
>>69553906
well meme'd friend
>>69554798
Labor camps were quite open, as well as in every other country too. Think before you speak.
thx for the wallpaper
>>69554388
Well the government in a sense is a firm and in the same way that you want the best CEOs and COOs in your company making the best business deals and so on, you want the best leaders possible that are able to properly identify value and manage a strict budget. The way i propose as a solution to this issue would to be to create an aristocratic republic where only people with specialized knowledge and skill sets can vote for a cabinet or government position that mirrors their skill sets. I want businessmen voting for politicians that create business opportunities in the nation. Of course this system can easily be corrupted, so constitutional required audits must be carried out ever year or every other year to maintain transparency in the republic.
at this point we are going into the philosophical components of how to create the ideal nation. In the ideal NatSoc/NatCap nation, the form of government needs to be attenuated to fit the needs of the nation.
>>69554667
banks got btfo
>>69552336
well written
>>69552974
IIWW started 28 June 1919 in Versaille.
No matter who would take power in Germany it was assured at that point
>>69551907
>meat eating over vegetarianism
wew lad
Gas the kikes, race war now.
>>69555667
Based Poland knows what's up.
>>69555667
Yeah it's not like National Socialism's stain is a genocide, and not just a war like many others.
>>69550042
having your country destroyed by jews
also daily reminder that germany will never ever recover
>>69558382
That is the effect of who took power, not the reason for war.
The idiotical conditions that were pushed on Germany in Versaille meant that as soon as country rebound from the crisis it would go to war with France.
If anyone was to be blamed for the war it was Serbs and Nicholas II. But french were still feeling burning in their anus from the Franco - Prussian war of 1870 and went full retard.
That created entire two generations (WWI survivors/veterans, and their children) that were breathing with revenge on every breath.
NatSoc did not create the "great betreyal", they capitalised on it.
Bumpin'
>>69559413
Nat soc will exist for as long as extreme leftism exists. It's just natural.
>>69552336
Id rather have the 12 years of freedom the NatSocs enjoyed than 70 years of jewish enslavement i seem doomed to endure.
>>69554667
>I always wondered, what specific actions the Natsocs did to make the economy in Germany prosper so well in such a short time? I always only find bluepilled sources who want to denounce Hitler and the movement.
>Does someone has a deeper insight?
I would also be interested in this. He obviously was able to piss off a lot of the Big Banks though and usury was outlawed.
>>69550565
It's basically libertarianism with a stron, capable, national-oriented state which gives freedom of enterprise but intervenes when the people are not benefiting from it.
>>69560192
>I always wondered, what specific actions the Natsocs did to make the economy in Germany prosper so well in such a short time?
Must read.
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederManifestoForTheAbolitionOfInterestSlavery1919
>>69560024
>nazis
>freedom
pick one
You're a brainwashed idiot, who doesn't what he's talking about. You currently live in a freest, most liberal society that ever existed and don't even appreciate this great privilege. In a totalitarian nazi shithole you'd be forced to kill innocent people or face execution/concentration camp.
WE FACEBOOK NOW
>>69560840
Also stop spreading nazi propaganda bullshit, or i'll report you.
>>69561507
You cannot be that stupid Britbong. Enjoy your jew enslavement.
>>69561602
How old are you?
>>69561602
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Looks like Chaim has been triggered
>>69561602
>report you.
Does that writing trigger you faggot.
Also, report you to who? Your mom? Fuck off faggot.
>>69561780
>muuhh jooos
Typical braindead neonazi. Lives in a most affluent, free society and abuses freedom of speech to shill for one of the worst totalitarian regimes. Why do you want to be a slave so much? If you would do something like that in Nazi Germany they would have executed you without trial, you pathetic cuck.
>>69562080
>>69562391
>>69562786
Perhaps its some April tomfoolery?
>>69562951
April fool confirmed. wew lad, you almost had me.
>>69562786
>Does that writing trigger you
Yes it does, because i'm not a nazi and I find such naziboos absolutely revolting. 50 million people died because of nazis and 'people' like you are glorifying that. That makes you (and other nazicucks) an accomplice in nazi war crimes.
>>69563170
IT'S NOT FUNNY YOU ARSEHAT!
>>69563038
>>69563170
>>69563411
>>69563537
Are you all actually women?
>>69563945
yes
>>69563537
Oh yes it is. I love British humour.
>>69563945
Yeh chick here
I just finished watching World Defeated The Wrong Enemy.
I have never been more mad in my life.
>>69550042
>>69550042
Volksgemeinschaft
Ethnic Homogenity
Führer principle
Rule of the best (Meritocracy)
Ethnonationalism
Mixed Economy (Limited Socialism)
Class collaboration
>>69552655
JIDF
>>69564725
The world against its saviour, incredible isnt it.
Except for the "open borders" and allowing the jews to continue running the Federal Reserve, basically Bernie Sanders. In other words, all the freebies without all the heavy lifting.
