Serious question. Does Bernie have a chance to be the Dem nominee?
>>69522406
only if he's prepared to do everything it takes to win
>>69522406
No. Even if after the convention Hilary is somehow on the path to jailtime, They would give it to Biden not Bernie.
>>69522406
If he can win the YUGE states, but I think he is down in the polls in them right now.
Bernie supporter here
Doubt it, he needs to pull off some magic in NY to even have a chance
Yes.
>>69522406
No.
>>69522406
Only if Hillary gets indicted
>>69522699
>Only if Hillary gets assassinated
>>69522679
If he somehow gets more pledged delegates the super delegates will flip
>>69522679
Oh by the way
>the superdelegates will defect
The superdelegate system was invented in 1968 explicitly to make sure that a retard like Sanders would never be able to get the nomination, even with a massive groundswell of social unrest in his favor.
>>69522406
Bernie has about as much a chance of winning the nomination as Trump has of winning the general electron.
Anyone got the photo with Hernie driving in his new sportscar behind his campaign wagon?
>>69522892
Obama only got the superdelegates in '08 because he promised his handlers he'd be a huge neocon shill (he delivered) and placed Hillary Clinton in his administration.
>>69522957
The thing is, the closer Sanders gets to Clinton, the more it'll anger Sanders supporters in the end, and the more that'll defect to Trump/3rd party (like me)
We don't have to vote for Hillary, Trump becomes president, everyone wins (except hillary supporters)
I can't wait for Sanders to back Clinton when he loses. After months of saying how she is the big bank candidate, to see him back the big bank candidate will be delicious.
>>69522987
So it's a guarantee?
>>69523693
I hope he does that same hands-protecting-crotch pose he did during the sheboon attack
>>69522649
Just curious. Why do you support communism branded as democratic socialism especially with lazy shitty citizens that wouldn't be able to contribute enough anyways? It would work in Sweden, they aren't 46% lazy niggers. But here it would collapse in weeks worse than the Soviet Union in 1992. Do you honestly doubt it?
>>69522406
Serious answer. No.
If he gets too close Hillary will have him assassinated by a false flag Trump supporter and she'll ride the wave of liberal butthurt to the Presidency.
>>69522406
Social democrats got destroyed last year in Canada, so I don't think they can win in America.
>>69524620
Trudeau arguably ran to the left of Tommy the Commie tho.
>>69524178
Thanks for the loaded question
Most non-shills who support him here like him more because of the anti-establishment part. Either Trump or 3rd party is my 2nd choice.
As for the whole "do you think "communism" would work in a country this large," I hate that question when it's asked to any candidate's economic policy because using past examples is almost useless for today. The only country that even mirrors our population is Indonesia, and basically no country mirrors our demographics well
I guess what I'm trying to say is the "will [economic policy] even work in this country" is a question with no answer because we're a unique country in a unique time period
>>69524620
Wasn't Trudeau even more left? I don't know much about Canadian politics desu
>>69524620
So I know Trudeau is a hardcore SJW but what are his economic policies?
>>69522571
>biden
I wish he could run, I actually really like him.
>>69524178
lets be real. you know both the sociological definition of communism and the definition of socialism based on actually existing self described socialist countries. no one can come to /pol/, or /new/, or old /n/ without confronting the myriad of ideologically contingent definitions and justifications for this or that
so why do you think your questioning is going to go anywhere? or are you just trying to come up with something to do tonight?
>>69524741
>Either Trump or 3rd party is my 2nd choice.
you haven't fleshed out your politics very well if you'd flop from sanders to trump. vote bernie in your primary if you haven't had it yet, but when it comes to the general, if you loathe hillary too much to vote for her, then don't vote at all. with hrc and trump as noms, i think this prez general election is going to have lower turnout than even 1996 had. everyone fuckin hates these people with very good reason
>>69525516
>then don't vote at all
or vote third party. but not goddamned trump
Quick answer: Of course there is, why do you think he's still in the race?
He's not John "I have to save my cucked party" Kasich, staying just in case the nomination is challanged. If he wins enough delegates, he'll definitely win the nomination.
>>69525585
Trump is the best candidate, though. He's going to get rid of the Mexicans and move us toward making this country White again.
>>69525516
>>69525585
If people want an anti-establishment candidate and they can't vote for Sanders then there's no problem with voting Trump
>>69524864
Low taxes for everyone and a small increase on the 1%, even if it meant running a deficit.
>>69525516
>you haven't fleshed out your politics very well if you'd flop from sanders to trump
I'm going to try to justify why the switch to trump or vice versa is ok, feel free to disagree.
So, there are single-issue voters, right? I'm personally not a single-issue voter, but there are people who will vote for Bernie JUST because of weed legalization, Hillary JUST because she's a woman, Trump JUST because he's not establishment, Cruz JUST because he's a hardcore Christian, etc. Whether you agree or not with the concept of single-issue voting, there are people who have either a single major issue, or a priority.
If someone's priority/single issue has to do with job domestication, anti-establishment, or want someone who isn't bought by a corporation, they in my opinion are completely justified in making a switch from Sanders to Trump or vice versa. Don't tell people they're politically uneducated just because they have different priorities.
>>69525727
Basically the tl;dr of my post
>>69525678
>if he wins enough delegates
Kids say the darndest things.
>>69523105
Some animals are more equal than others.
>>69525727
the establishment interests are the interests of the maximization of profits, interests, and rents, the erosion of working class institutions and power. electing a billionaire is about the dumbest shit a person can do to upend establishment power
>>69525694
trump is a bitch
>>69523470
>defect to Trump
>Vote for the guy who even Republicans think is too extreme
Great strategy genius
>>69525678
I don't think it's a "just in case"
According to poll projections, if trump does 3% worse overall (than expected) between now and the last primary the convention will be contested. A lot of blue states are left where Kasich can make up ground.
The REAL reason Trump is going to get the nomination is because Bernie is still in. If he was out, then all the Dems in PA, CA, NY, could switch to Republican and vote in the primary to stop trump.
>>69526111
>if
>JAJAJAJA HE DEFINITELY MEANS HE'S GONNA GET THEM TEEHEE HAHAHA
>>69522406
Not unless Hillary is arrested. Jill Stein has a better chance then him.
>>69526286
Only neocons think this you fucking retard.
>>69526365
All the easier for the Dems to win I guess.
He has literally no chance of being the nominee. This coming from an impartial observer who hates both Democratic candidates.
>>69525758
So he's a Keynesian
>>69523470
Nah man, I'm voting for Hillary is Bernie loses lol
#NeverTrump
>>69522892
No. No they won't. The Superdelegate system was created specifically to keep far left psychos like Bernie from getting the nomination. The superdelegates are all rich political figures with ties to big businesses. They're the exact people that Sanders wants to destroy. They'd be destroying everything that they've spent their careers creating.
>>69526673
wtf are you saying?
That poll shows Kasich is the only one who can beat hillary. His plan is to go to a contested convention in Ohio, where he is the damn governor, get up on stage while cruz and Trump are at eachother's throats, and remind every delegate that the process is about picking someone who can win in november.
As the only bland generic politician left in the race I'd rather have him than any of the other egomanicas
>>69522406
No. He would basically need to get like 70% of the vote in every state to have a chance. Not happening.
>>69522406
No.
So far, he hasn't had the stomach to take Hillary head on, plust Hillary has powerful allies within the democratic party, and is doing everything in her power to win those delegates+super delegates.
Bernie is literally controlled opposition.
>>69526006
single issue voting is for people who have it good enough to be concerned with a single issue. i understand your opinion, it's just wrong as fuck. it's ignorant because you're going from one end of the ideological spectrum, from a person who will work to improve conditions for working class people, to an egomaniac billionaire who will live out narcissistic fantasies at the helm of the most powerful state apparatus in the history of mankind. on the one hand, you got a guy who wants to fight for single payer health care, who wants to make college publicly afforded. on the other, you got a guy who's pandering to people who project their misery onto mexicans, black people, and muslims. this is a dude explicitly promising to do bad shit. this is a guy who will not attempt to revitalize working class institutions - these two candidates, while the strength of their support has emerged out of a very deep sense of anger, could hardly be more different
H-H-H-H-HOLD IT SUCKAS!!!
TIME FOR A MONEY BOMB !!
----secure.berniesanders.com/page/contribute/contribute
Depends on California, New York, and Pennsylvania.
>>69525516
>>69525585
>>69525727
>>69526006
HOLY FUCK
Sensible people, on /pol/???
HOW????
>>69525758
That's pretty reasonable desu senpai
>>69523693
He said he'd only back her unless she gave into his demands, which are basically all of his positions right now. Then he said if he doesn't get the nomination his followers should ask themselves "What has the Democratic Party ever done for you?" It really came as a vague threat that his supporters shouldn't vote if he doesn't get the nomination.
>>69526809
Nice try, Hillary.
>>69527048
56%, but even that's really unlikely
>>69527145
>v-vote for hillary because the evil trump bogeyman is on the other side!
I'm so fucking tired of this argument
Everything the DNC and Shillary has done this election cycle has convinced me Hillary is as bad as if not worse than Trump
>>69523470
>the more that'll defect to Trump
this is very, very wrong. i can see large portions of sanders supporters not voting and some switching to third party, but the flop to trump will be negligible
>>69526974
I'm saying that Bernie helping Trump become the nominee, he's helping the Democrats win the general election.
Trump is the least competitive candidate on the Repub side. Even more incentive for Bernie to stay in.
>>69526777
More pocket money for the lower classes means happier citizens who stimulate the economy. If you achieve that through tax cuts you won't have to create a massive government redistribution system.
>>69525154
Clinton and Bernie are working together to spoil the Republican Primary.
As long as there is a contest on the Democratic side, blue voters will line up for it. And that keeps sensible blue voters OUT of the republican primary system, and leaves only right wing zealots who are Trump fans. If Bernie dropped out, democrat voters in open primary states could vote for Kasich or Cruz to spoil Trumps chance at the nomination. But Clinton is a crafty politician. She is letting the Republican party nominate a total bust of a candidate who cant win a general. Trump can not win a general, its that simple, he cant.
>>69527411
Ah yes, we agree. Read my next post>>69527452
Bernie vs Cruz
Crazy Grandpa Commie vs The Coniving Canuk.
>>69527327
>Hillary is as bad as if not worse than Trump
Worse. This is all a game for Trump. He's playing the Republican base like a fiddle. His actual policies are going to be to the left of Hillary.
>>69527327
>Uneducated man who says anything to get votes
>Woman with a progressive record who happens to have the establishment siding behind her
How exactly is a man with no political experience or any solid values better than a woman with clear progressive values and backing by the establishment?
Don't you want change to actually happen? Not just a circus show?
>>69527590
that was some really bad bait
>>69527590
>this obvious b8
pass
>>69527393
A very few will but most, like me, will vote third party. I'm thinking of libertarian
>>69526286
wut
Cruz is far more extreme than Trump. you have no idea what you're talking about
>>69522406
Yes. And even more of a chance than how you describe it
>>69527452
The only open primaries left on the republican side are Montana, Indiana and Wisconsin. There's no more potential for democrats to cross lines to participate in the republican primary.
>>69522406
Unless Hillary miraculously gets indicted and convicted before the election, then no.
Not in Hell.
>>69522571
/thread
>>69527327
hrc is going to keep things exactly the same as they are. she'll bomb some people here, bomb some people there, she'll probably marginally cut SS via some grand bargain with republicans and say she's saving it for the next generation, she'll support the tpp, she'll be friendly to banks. basically the continuation of trends from W, through Obama, and then onward with the same trends in her presidency. trump will be a disaster for working class people in ways clinton won't be. we'll still have it shit, but we won't be risking what little we have with the catastrophe that trump will be. vote for goddamn jill stein, she's anti-establishment, too. just don't hurt people by voting for trump - the people you're considering to help right now by supporting bernie
i mean, seriously, if you support bernie over trump, WHY DO YOU support bernie over trump? the idea that anti-establishmentarianism is your single issue, devoid of ideological content isn't just dumb, it's a lie. so tell me, why bernie over trump? lets peel this onion and we'll figure out your ideological coordinates
>>69527840
>>69527885
good argument you two
im a bernie supporter btw
>>69527896
whatever, that's better than voting for trump. it doesn't make sense, but at least it won't go anywhere
>>69527981
Well then Hillary and Bernie won by rigging the game. PA resident here and the 28th was the last day to switch party.
If Bernie would have dropped before that, Dems could have switched to vote against Trump in the primary. This can still happen in California. But Bernie is senile and being told to stay in till the last minute.
Hillary will win the nomination by a slim margin. If Trump is the Republican, she has it in the bag, so can take a croney as VP. If it's not Trump (Cruz, Kasich, Bush, Ryan, Romney, Rubio) then she'll take Bernie as VP and lock down the under 30 vote and women vote and it will be Ogre.
>>69522571
>>69528148
I'd rather have Biden than Hillary.
>>69528225
I disagree with trump on several fundemental issues, and agree with Bernie on most issues.
I'm voting for the guy I think will represent me in the oval office, not the guy that's gonna get me the best memes.
>>69528292
there is no argument to make when someone says Hillary is change
>>69528225
I'm already most likely voting for Jill Stein
>>69528334
>This can still happen in California.
The registration deadline isn't until may but they don't make updating republican registrations a priority here. California's delegates are allocated by congressional district anyway so there isn't much gaming it.
>>69528399
>I disagree with trump on several fundemental issues, and agree with Bernie on most issues.
and those are what?
>>69528511
i don't blame you. if by some miracle bernie gets the nom and isn't whacked by goldman sachs, just consider voting for him
>>69528511
I hope you don't live in a Swing State®
>>69522571
Oh really? Biden who didn't get any primary votes?
Retard alert.
>>69528635
Oh if Bernie gets the nomination no doubt I'm voting for him.
But Hillary? I'd never vote for her
>>69528708
I do and there's nothing you can do about it :^)
>>69528745
No the point he was making was that the DNC would be willing to rob it from Bernie the same way the Republicans could possibly give the nomination to someone like Paul Ryan
I actually doubt they'd steal it from Bernie, it's not that the DNC hates him as a person, they just hate him in the sense he's in the way of Hillary
>>69528635
Most of his 'key' policies are fundamentally wrong in my opinion.
Also the racism and facism don't help him case.
>>69528862
>I do and there's nothing you can do about it :^)
>>69522406
No. Everything is against him. This biggest factor I think is the money. As much as he's raised and spent the whore has more. She's already contributing to other Dems running for various offices. She has the establishment support locked down.
Its really Bernie or a slow destruction of the UnitedStates through unregulated Capitalism.
>>69526286
most retarded post I've read on /pol/ in months
>>69529611
to be honest, what's riding on the line for me in this election is whether or not capitalism is actually something i can be OK with. in the sense that this is a test of whether our democratic republic is actually democratic enough to sufficiently respond to the needs of the working class in the 21st century. if it's not, and when the next crisis comes (and it almost assuredly will come sometime over the next 8 years), if they don't do anything of substance to relieve the conditions of working class folks, i'll be ready to methods of change outside of the ballot boxes
>>69530344
>Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable
No. Not even a remote chance.
>>69527327
>Hillary is as bad as if not worse than Trump
Mass Deportations
Yuge wall on border
Punishment for abortion
Racial violence at rallies
Mexicans are rapists
Birther
Ground forces in Syria
etc.
>>69531074
>of illegals
>walls stem the tide and demonstrably work
>only if it is made illegal, then there would be punishment, yes. Read the actual quote
>Some are
>got me there
>implying we don't need to btfo isis
>>69530904
I hate that wretched cunt so much.
>>69531074
>Mass Deportations
>Yuge wall on border
Open borders and unrestricted immigration are bad things when you're trying to have a generous social state.
>Punishment for abortion
Isn't Trump's position, read past the headline sometime.
>Racial violence at rallies
People are regularly dragged away from Democratic events in handcuffs, usually just for being at the mic with the wrong question.
>Mexicans are rapists
Some are, 1 in 4 women are rape victims ya know.
>Birther
Hillary was the original Birther.
>Ground forces in Syria
Do you seriously think Hillary "I opposed the surge for political reasons" is going to do any different?
>>69526924
Yeah, right. And the voters, of course, will probably show up for general to elect the candidate that was shoehorned as the nominant aganist their will.
>>69522406
No. He doesn't. Not even a slight chance. Pic and link very related.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-superdelegates-largely-back-clinton-sanders-article-1.2581729
Bernie cultists need to accept the fact that their conman savior isn't going to win. No, sending him more money won't help. No, a write-in campaign won't do shit. The predetermined nominee is Hillary, and there's nothing you can do with it. Suck it up, buttercup. It's over, you lose, end of discussion.
>>69530344
In essence, Capitalism's message of "needing money to survive" is fundamentally unethical.
But it's the world we live in, might as well make the best of it and use the money for good through taxes and social programs.
>>69531900
We know. Most of the supporters in the remaining states are still voting for him to keep their dignity
We'd rather support a good (in our eyes at least) candidate that's losing than a shit candidate that's winning
>>69532271
>Most of the supporters in the remaining states are still voting for him to keep their dignity
Their dignity went down the drain the minute they started clogging up social media with their "SAY IT WITH ME...PRESIDENT SANDERS!!!" bullshit.
Prepare to feel the Clint, fuckers.
>>69532443
>"all sanders supporters are one person"
Besides, every candidate's supporters shitpost about their candidate, and it's all equally annoying to me
>>69532719
>"all sanders supporters are one person"
99% of them basically are.
>>69533009
Are you actually a Hilldawg fan? If so, what the fuck actually appeals to you about her? Genuine question, I can't figure out who likes her.
>>69522406
yeah
>>69533217
No, I just hate the average Bernie supporter. They're basically the retarded siblings of people who voted for Ralph Nader. Nobody is going to "feel the Bern" in 2016 or any other year for that matter.
>>69531511
>of illegals
Of tens of millions of men,women and children
>walls stem the tide and demonstrably work
The cost in building and maintaining a 2,000 mile long been proven to be not be practical
>Some are
Americans are rapists, well some are
>implying we don't need to btfo isis
You'll find some democrats aren't as hawkish
>>69522987
sanders would beat trump
>>69527058
>hillary isn't controlled opposition
holy shit
doubtful. even if he were to win out the super delegates would never vote against an established candidate like Hillary.
>>69533385
Yes, I'm sure the majority of the nation would vote for a self-proclaimed Democratic socialist.
Oh wait, I forgot, opinion polls that consist of 300 people are always indicative of how the entire country feels.
Optimistically yes theres a chance if pretty much everything from now to the convention goes right for him
Realistically no, black people threw the election to Hillary and I hate them for it
>>69533784
I don't hate black people but they definitely disappointed the shit out of me there. They have the opportunity to vote for the best candidate they could ever have had, and they vote for a shriveled old cunt who probably says nigger all the time at home.
>>69527145
Need a break from reddit tonight?
>>69526219
I half expected Bernie to be driving a beat up Volvo like the wanna be swedish hobo grandpa he is
>>69534044
Right? She's the one who backed criminal justice reform that's putting so many black folks into prison for being even relatively thuggish.
They just look at her and thing "eyy lookit dat wite wimmiz sheeeit"
