Is anarcho-capitalism based? I'm just learning about it now. Is it possible to maintain? Are there any flaws? Is it possible to achieve? Is it a moral system? What if a nation nukes an anarcho-capitalist society? How will they react? I'm getting drawn into it the same way I was drawn into Marxism in middle school so I'm wary of it being flawed. Seems like much more than a movement of rebellious teens fighting the system. Red pill me /pol/.
tl;dr Red pill me on anarcho-capitalism.
>>69521170
Yes the idea is based but most Ancaps are beta fags
It's basically feudalism.
>>69521345
Are there any problems with it? If we had the means to go ancap, how would it be done?
>>69521170
Bump bump. I want to like it. I suppose slavery and wasteland style deforestation/abandonment of used up regions could be the more extreme risks. Anyone eli5?
>>69521501
means are hard and not probable. Either we buy an island and show people how good it is or wait for states to collapse. Other Ancaps can give better tips. You can't violate the NAP so basically no revolution or anything that will hurt people in anyway.
>>69521501
Can't be done
>>69521571
This question may sound stupid, but would any kind of worker's union type groups that gave people weekends off or a minimum wage exist?
It may be logically consistent, more so than any other form of anarchism however it is simply not possible or positive. Examples include the Wild West and modern day Somalia.
I think the night watchman state of minarchism is a much better model.
If the Chinese nuke a society of ancaps and planned to drop more, would they be defenseless?
Name me one nation of at least a million people since the industrial revolution that has survived for 100 years without a state. I'll fucking wait you an-cap retards.
>>69522381
>Name me one nation of at least a million people since the industrial revolution that has survived for 100 years without a state. I'll fucking wait you an-cap retards.
Lol dumbass it's theoretical. There have been similar societies in the past though like medieval Iceland.
>>69521857
>gave people weekends off
I heard that was Hitler's idea because he didn't think one day off was enough to really do anything.
>>69522592
Oh wait is Iceland an island of less than a million people in the middle of the fucking ocean?
>>69522381
Why are you wasting time with theoreticals you child. You sound just like a communist. "It's never actually been tried". Congratulations cuck
Embrace the AnCap, friend.
It really is based, desu.
>>69521808
>You can't violate the NAP so basically no revolution or anything that will hurt people in anyway.
I'm sure some of us would violate the NAP in order to achieve it. Achieve a libertarian/AnCap society by non libertarian/AnCap means
just think of the government as being a corporation and we're already living under anarcho-capitalism.
It's not even sustainanble, and eventually devolves into city-states
>>69523153
More like shitty states.
>>69521808
the NAP is bullshit anyways
>>69521857
They deff could. It would be a purer relationship between the workers and the employers than unions currently have though. The "weekend off" thing and the related talking points existed long before unions in their current form. With no focus on lobbying a non-existing government the union could focus on actual workplace issues instead of policy/ big picture agenda pushing
>Anarchism
Edgy 14 year old detected.
>>69523328
I hope you understand that historically big business uses mercenaries to murder striking workers and one of the main obstacles to that is that fact that states consider it "illegal"
>>69523335
lol so true XD
>>69521170
It has a few fundamental problems. First off, anarchy in any form is simply not sustainable. Humans created governments once, we will create them again. The entire thing would ultimately be a pointless waste of time. Secondly, many services the government provides simply cannot operate on a person by person level. A military can only defend an area, they cannot defend only the people who pay them, unless only the people who pay them are allowed to live in the places they defend, at which point you effectively have taxation. The same holds true for any form of criminal justice system, and anything resembling a fire department, Thirdly there is nothing in an Ancap society to prevent a company which provides military protection from simply taking over a plot of land and declaring themselves a government, beyond other companies, which may do the very same thing. This is a problem due to the way capitalism works, which is that companies act purely out of self interest. As a purely economic system, there is nothing wrong with that, but our current government, at least in theory is supposed to work for the people. As much as it may fail to accomplish this, is is preferable over a government which explicitly serves its own interests above all else.
>>69521170
>anarcho-capitalism
Makes as much sense as Libertarian Socialism.
>>69523451
I got laughed off Reddit for saying this. That's why I came here.
>>69523153
That's what Ancaps pretty much want though. A world of privately owned city-states with lex mercatoria-esque "international" law.
There would be white nationalist cities, libertarian cities, christian cities, technocratic cities, etc.. All would compete for customers and the idea is that this would select for best governance practices.
>>69523635
Reddit is also thoroughly astroturfed by corporations and state sockpuppet accounts.
>>69521170
Current capitalism's flaws are 100% those that rise from the properties it shares with real anarcho-capitalism. Unless you live under a rock, no further explanation is necessary: the answer is a resounding no.
What if you're not satisfied with your leaders and want to go to somewhere else and they don't allow you to leave? What's stopping them from keeping sex slaves and treating people like shit?
>>69524005
Nothing. An-caps are 8th graders and refuse to believe that a significant portion of people are bloodthirsty beasts who would be violent savages and most very poor people would be thieves without a police force restricting them from using their means.
>>69523451
Yea I understand that. No argument. The union should have hired their own combatants or at least defended themselfs. I'm not gonna sit here and defend pussies who complain instead of working or at least defending themselfs.
>>69524161
The factory will always have more money to spend on weapons than their workers, are you fucking serious? Holy shit kid, finish high school, go out in the real world and then consider if these are stupid ideas you have.
If a society of an caps get nuked by a country, can they defend themselves?
>>69524005
Well what's stopping that from happening now?
Democratic governments treat people like shit and consume colossal portions of society's wealth.
Those sorts of practices aren't profitable in the long-term and for-profit governments are unlikely to do such except maybe in backward regions. It just isn't profitable to treat your human-capital like sshit, but in democraciy no one is actually responsible or cares about the overall profitability of the state. So plunder and rapine is the name of the game.
>>69524413
Police are stopping that from happening you fucking retard. Police paid for by the public to do the job of fighting and solving crime.
I'll just leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsijhLCzEZ8
>>69523687
yeah it would be pretty based
It is based, if you have a high enough IQ population. There isn't a nation on earth who has the average IQ to successfully run that system. I personally would love to live in an anarcho-capitalist system, but it currently would be way too unstable for average people. Only my opinion of course.
>>69524005
It's worse than that. In real anarcho-capitalism, there is exactly one owner of 100% of the world. Consider a situation like >>69523687 . What would actually happen is that company A will buy out city X from company B and company B will accept because they'll make a quick buck. Now company A is twice as big as any of its competitors, making them twice as rich, twice as fast (it's actually an even larger growth than that). Note that the citizens have no say in this because they don't have the money to weigh in against these giants. Now company A is moving to buy out company C's city. It doesn't matter if company C wants significantly more money than company B because, having 2 cities, company A can afford it. After a while, nobody can refuse a buyout because company A now has by far the largest army in the world, even beside their ridiculous wealth.
This is all just assuming everyone's playing by the books, too. If it weren't the case, company A could own the entire world within the week in a way that nobody is aware that company A even owns any city but their starting one.
Note that company A doesn't even need to be one entity, it can be several company having agreed to maintain a stranglehold on the world by denying basic utilities to all other cities, by hook or by crook, forcing everyone to live among them. It is unfair to count them as anything but a singular entity because they will never have a differing opinion and will never offer differing services or quality. There will be no competition between them.
Without laws to protect against monopolies and underhanded tactics (falseflags, terrorism, FUD, assassination, collusion, price fixing, etc.), you get to eat shit and there's nothing you can do about it, and no attempt at organization will ever be possible while you need air to breathe.
>My Ideals are better ideals then your ideals
I don't have enough time to partake in fantasy to be able to advocate such a shitty ideology.
>>69524868
It's literally the opposite. It would only ever be possible in a null-IQ population. And indeed, some aboriginal populations with less-than-monkey intelligence are the only ones who are successful in such settings in practice, and for obvious reasons.
>>69524530
There will be police you shit-head, they are just owned by a private government.
How exactly are police stopping democratic governments from pillaging society's wealth? From forcing leftism down everyone's throat?
In reality-land, the world is shit because government is run as a sort of commune or non-profit cooperative. Anarcho-capitalism is quite sanely suggesting that the current government enterprises transition to privately operated businesses, like all the other industries that actually make wealth rather than squandering it.
>>69525119
>a police paid for by microsoft will make sure to keep microsoft in line
OK kid
>>69524967
Do you really think anybody on /pol/ cares about wealth inequality? Most ideas spewed by /pol/ are for a master slave power structure.
>>69525113
IQ has a verifiable relation with emotional intelligence, and compassion. Why do you think white people are always so easily guilt tripped? High IQ populations would follow their contracts to the T, meanwhile shit skins would never uphold their deal and always look to steal. Then eventually they would come together say that what others have is unfair, and outnumber those with high IQ and form some sort of state-ism. High IQ populations have more control of their emotions, higher level of compassion, more drive to accomplish something, and respect for their competition. Null-IQ is not anarcho-capitalist it would just be flat out anarchy is all.
>>69525446
Oh you're just b8ing. Well 6/8 because you got me to reply.
>>69525244
>heh kid. I'm a tough guy who's been around da block and know a thing or two.
>One udda tings I know is, is that things are a certain way and dats dat. One day, when yah get some hair on yah balls and become a sports fan like me, yull realize just how tings work in dis world.
>>69525446
Don't Asians have high IQs too? They don't seem like the most emotional people out there.
>>69521857
Sure, you could have worker formed unions. There just wouldn't be government unions.
>>69522143
There's nothing stopping an ancap society from also having nuclear capabilities, which might disincentivize China from nuking them.
>>69524868
this
Is it possible to hypothetically combine a sum of money, buy a big plot of land and start our own society free of taxation?
>>69521170
Interesting post mate. I've been banned three times in one day. I don't give a shit as I just unplug the router and get a fresh IP
anarcho-capitalism is self defeating. It's a stance that defeatists take.
Yea it's based
>>69525529
what the fuck?
>>69525941
>Highest suicide rates in the world.
Am I crazy for trusting the government with a nuclear weapon rather than a corporation not put under any regulation?
If you seriously want to understand and get into anarcho-capitalism, why don't you read Murray Rothbard, Adam Smith and Hoppe?
Do you seriously think that, of all places, fucking 4chan is a good place to learn about this? /pol/ is filled with bootlicking retards who think glorifying hitler makes them cool or smarter than everyone else. Hitler was a fascist tyrant, ever read the NASDAP manifesto? He wanted Germany to be a nation where the state is giant and controls everything, people's liberty ends is given and limited by the state and the political elite arbitrarily decides what is moral and what is immoral. Much like it happens in North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela are today, truly wonderful places to live in.
99% of the people here don't even understand what anarcho-capitalism is and will repeat falacies ad infinitum like saying somalia is ancap, ancap is like feudalism, muh roads or that in an ancap society people can just kill each other without repercussion. People will disregard anarcho-capitalism based on pure falacies and supposed imperfections, conveniently ignoring the fact that taxation is theft and the free market can provide everything the state does -even infra-structure and safety- much more efficiently and cheaper.
In a few years there will be more people in the world with iphones than people with access to potable water, one is provided by the market and capitalism, the other is monopolized and provided solely by the state in most of the world.
Taxa is theft, democracy is mob rule and the state is a mafia.
