What changed?
>>69506393
>work 40 hours a week
>wife works as well
>somehow cant afford to live
literally not possible
Immigration act of 1965
Wel-fare state
Letting niggers breed
Shall I continue?
>>69506393
greed, single parent households, lack of moral direction.
>>69506393
My wife doesnt work because she stays home and watchs and homeschools our kids.
But I have a well paying job. And we live in the cheapest place in the country as far as taxes and land.
>>69506393
>implying it's even possible to work 40 hours/week these days without being in the medical sector
Fuck, I hope I can get into nursing this year.
>>69506393
Globalism
>>69508841
Boy, are YOU in for a rude awakening.
>Canadian nurse
>In Canada
>Yeah-she-fucking-right, bro!
Start learning Spanish, it will make you much more employable in Texas, which is the closest place to Canada, geographically, that MIGHT hire you.
>>69506954
>>work 40 hours a week
>>wife works as well
>>somehow cant afford to live
>literally not possible
Oh, so you're single without children, huh?
I remember those days.
>>69506964
Yes please
>>69506393
The Soviet union collapsed. So no more need to pay good wages and provide a good lifestyle. Your not going to turn communist so no need to bribe you anymore. Same thing as happened in Britain.
>>69506393
They realized that putting women to work doubled the workforce and drove down the general wages while at the same time destroying the idea of the family unit.
Kikes gonna kike.
>>69509930
Same here, mate. I would love a cushy medical job instead of working 50-70 hours per week in a law firm.
>>69509930
>whose gonna pay for my nine chilluns?
>>69506393
Electricity and Food.
Back then people did not use much electricity or electronics and they grew much of their own food.
>>69509761
Nursing hopeful here
>implying moving to Texas wasn't my plan all along
Why the fuck would I want to stay in this shithole? Every meme you've ever seen on /pol/ about Canada being a joke is completely accurate, and as a Canadian you're expected to celebrate it. Texas is mocked by Canadians whenever it's brought up, so they must be doing something right.
>>69510210
this.
>>69510401
no they didnt, small gardens is not a large portion of your food every year. maybe rural folks but not urban or suburban
>>69506393
Assuming 10USD/h, isn't 1733 usd enough for a month/person?
>>69509930
That would be your fault for getting married and having children, retard.
>>69506393
>tfw that's both trump's and bernie's message
People need to get over their fucking rugged individualism and just stay with their parents. You mean to tell me that there are over a million basements in America and the only things living down there are rats, spiders and neckbeards?
>>69510586
Yes, but the food they did buy was largely cheap mass produce.
This puts a tremendous dent on your food bill.
Also, houses and land back then were a lot cheaper because the building standards were lower.
>>69510628
40x4=160
160x$10= 1600
1600x72%=$1152 after taxes
>>69510628
Yes unless you live in NYC or Los Angeles.
>>69506393
>with a pension
Nooooppe
That's the problem.
>>69506393
The rest of the world rebuilt from WW2 ruin and finally regained competence in the global market - and we couldn't compete well enough to continue to enjoy the same living standards.
I cannot stress this enough.
>>69506393
Low skilled workers trying to make a living off of minimum wage. I do it just fine at 22. I make 19 an hour working on an oil field. Quit being lazy shits
>>69510858
yes the dollar went much farther but you didnt grow a large amount of your food in your backyard.
>>69510917
>there are 4 weeks in a month
Are you fucking retarded?
>>69506393
nothing changed, you can still do this, don't know about freedomland
>>69506393
Back then, the working class didn't consist of lazy bums with no future working at McDonald's or Walmart.
You learned a trade.
The minimum wage class of today consists of human garbage who performs the most menial work that really only requires the ability to speak and to move from point A to point B.
>>69506393
The rest of the world caught up.
>>69506393
Socialism and the welfare state.
Government regulation and unions single handedly killed the manufacturing industry, nafta was merely a twist of the blade.
>>69508841
If you can get into the electrical union, they work 40h/week. Anything over is paid double time.
>>69511027
4x7 is 28 days the longest month is 31 days are you fucking retarded usually payday is the 15th and 30th. still not 1700 either way
liberals, civil rights movement, SJWs, pretty much everything leftist
>>69510628
Yeah. I made 10 an hour flipping burgers and had ~$100 left over after paying bills. I used to live in a 2 bed 1 bath apartment.
>>69509930
ugh. That's funny. My brother in law has 4 children, works 40 hours a week and my sister is a stay at home mom.
Not only are they buying a house but they just bought a new Van.
Maybe it has something to do with the type of jobs people work? Don't expect to make a living if you and your wife work at mcdonalds part time.
Also, he works as a machinst, no college degree or training required.
Get a real fucking job and don't beg for handouts.. Fucking weaklings.
>>69506393
We could go back to those glory days if we just turned every other nation into rubble like WWII. No shit the USA was on top of the world in the 50s and 60s and its lead declines since.
>>69506393
The internet made infographics and now you became aware of the less well off.
I can live the American dream here in Ireland on my salary. It would be pretty modest but I could do it.
>>69510730
Wasn't there a poll posted here showing the voter demographics for Bernie and Trump were surprisingly similar?
>>69506393
>barely enough for rent and utilities
Dont live in some shitty leftist city
>not earning 220k between you and your fiancé at 27
>>69511085
Most all the trades were exported.
>>69511191
Dumb qestion, but what is a machinist?
>>69511248
This is also a good reason. When I lived in Washington state, we had a 3 bed 2 bath house that cost us $1800 a month in payments alone. Then I moved to Texas and got virtually the same house, I pay $1350. Weird how that works.
>>69511350
Cuts metal into specific shapes and dimensions.
>>69511404
in md my rent was 1100 for a smaller apartment than i live in now in ohio. now i pay 450
>>69511350
The guy who makes parts for machines and stuff. My brother does it. He makes all sorts of things for my oil field company. Huge nuts and bolts, plating, pistons, rods.
>>69511438
I'm 23 currently going to school for IT. Looking more towards a trade, I'm not the best at math could I still prosper in that field?
>>69506393
They didn't have a supercomputer in their pockets and spent a far greater proportion of their income on food. Your standards are far greater than theirs were. As far as property pricing is concerned, more people in the same space means more competition and higher prices.
>>69511517
Hiring?
>>69511350
Machine operator is a better word. Different machines for different manufacturing jobs. Someone who operates a lathe would be a machinist.
>>69506964
Unions getting too much power forcing Industry overseas, being too tolerant, subsidized housing such as section 8 inflating rents in lower income neighborhoods. Shutting down industry because muh enviroment and green jobs. At least the liberals get to feel good am I right?
Rent is easily 3/4 of my living expenses every month
I don't know how bad it is in the US but the UK usually mirrors you guys
>>69511624
>>69511517
>>69511438
Thanks anons.
>>69510153
this is actually the true explanation, very few people understand it. the treatment of workers and living conditions in the first world were kept artificially higher to bribe the citizens to be anti-communist. now that communism is gone, companies can start fucking over their workers and destroying all aspects of culture and society in the pursuit of profits like they always wanted to.
>>69511605
How much he made at hire? 13. Up to 17 now. Or are you asking if his business is hiring? If you're around Odessa Texas, look for James machine shop.
>>69511085
Waiters. They're all waiters.
Most fabrication was moved overseas, we don't produce anything as a country anymore, something like 85% of our products are imported.
>>69511751
That's not too bad.
>>69511350
>>69511438
It depends on what type of machinist you are.
If you are a machine operator, you will be paid slightly more than a McJob will pay you because all you do is put things in a machine and press a button or two.
If you are a machinist programmer though, and can use auto-cad, and know trigonometry and calculus along with basic geometry formulas, you can make a very sustainable wage, and they are in demand right now.
- son of machinist programmer
>>69511555
Get out of IT, it's a flooded field.
Go learn a trade, or go to a technical school. Plumbing, operating heavy equipment, welding, learn something useful.
>>69511770
Fucking gay, would be sick hang a factory job.
>>69511605
Loon under manufacturing in craiglist. There are usually always job openings, or job fairs.
You can make a lot of money. Probably the best field out there that doesn't require a college degree.
>>69506393
It's called getting off the gold standard. We work for pretend money (paper "dollars") instead of real money, gold.
>>69506954
Women entered the workforce and drove down wages.
>>69506393
Feminism
>>69511843
Currently learning more about computer hardware. Fuck I need to get setting better.
>>69511890
I did some wielding in high school, should I look for a trade school when I look I to welding, heavy machinery, etc.? My friends dad runs a rapid business where he goes out and fixes numerous appliances and he makes some sweet money.
>>69511955
Thanks anon, I'm actually going to do that. I made the mistake of going to it tech for a couple of semesters against my better judgment. I just want to get something I can live off of and have some extra.
>>69506393
Globalism and encouraging women to work en mass.
>>69506393
Libtards shit all over us and charged us for the privilege.
>>69511149
>anything over 40 is paid double time
>wonder why companies won't give people 40 hours/week
That sure is conundrum, there.
>>69511404
Lived in Pullman, 3 bedroom house for $800 a month.
Live in Bremerton, 3 bedroom house for $1300 a month.
Friends live across in Seattle, $1300 a month for a fucking studio apt.
Live somewhere you can afford.
>>69509073
This. It may not seem obvious but this is the last boss.
>>69511843
You mean CNC machine?
>>69506393
>work 40 hours a week
>20% of your paycheck goes to laquans rent
>>69510917
>28% tax on low income
Fucking savage
>>69512547
Yeah, for the most part. All of the CNCs we ran were Haas. CNC machines can be fuck heug and fucking expensive. Last I heard, my dad's running one that drills and shapes I-beam columns. That machine costs over 500k and the I-beams weigh over 1000 lbs and have to be moved with a ceiling crane.
>women working is a bad thing
you can tell this image was meant for blue collar morons.
>>69506393
Reagan. Completely ruined the US.
>>69512979
Sounds about right, went to "college" (not the same as US college but less then university. I guess it would be considered community college) learned a bit about mastercam, most of the programming for CNC is apparently standardized though the programs that program the machine differ.
Dropped out though even at the technologist level its pretty hard. The older manual lathes and mills take real skills to hone and although from a theory stand point you can understand whats going on when it comes to application you need an immense amount of study to even know what you need to do. You really need to grow up around that sort of environment to get it click in your head.
A guy in China or India can do the same work for 5% of your salary. But this is nothing, it'll be your end when the U.S dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.
>>69508497
Pray to god she doesn't divorce rape you
>>69506393
>what changed
Time preference
>>69513768
What does that mean?
Take my kids and my shit?
I already told her if she ever did anything like that Id pull a family annihilation.
>>69511300
>>69511770
I'm not talking about factory workers, I'm talking about construction workers, carpenters, painters, etc.
In Norway, people generally go down one of two paths. If you do well in middle school, you move on to high school and eventually college and get a proper education. People who only complete high school but don't pursue higher education, usually end up in the service industry.
If you do poorly in middle school, you go to a high school that teaches you a trade, similar to a vocational school. The first year is the same as a regular high school, in the second year you start to learn a trade, and in the third year you start to work as an apprentice. This serves as both a GED and teaches you a trade, and if you work for another year after graduating, you're eligible to take the journeyman exam, which gets you a certificate of completed apprenticeship. At this point, you're considered fully qualified in whatever field you chose to pursue.
All of my working class friends ended up as carpenters, construction workers, painters, plumbers, etc, and all make a decent living.
>>69506393
Nothing I live in Europe and am capable of saving 10% of my wages in a private pension/savings and retiring at 60.
Average work week is 38 hrs, I work currently 39 and plan to retire at 63.
>>69513942
>>69506393
Massive trade deficit for 35 years and corresponding outflow of capital to East Asia, causing our economy to contract massively. The shrinkage has been concealed by dollar devaluation and increased debt loads.
>>69511624
No, a machine operator is a specific position. Typically it's someone with no education or apprenticeship who has very little responsibility. They are generally there to put blanks into the machine that someone else (a setup machinist generally) has programmed and proved, runs the program, pulls the finished part and repeats.
A machinist (or journeyman machinist) has usually completed a technical program or apprenticeship and is capable of running various machines to make parts from a print with little or no supervision, either manually or by writing the code for a CNC machine.
Many shops will also have dedicated programmers who use computer software (CAD/CAM) to post code out to machines so the operators/machinists on the floor don't have to program at the machine, which is tedious and prone to errors.
>>69506393
Feminism happened.
Women took the jobs. The sudden abundance in the labor market has driven the wages into the ditch.
It's always the women. They are so borderline retarded and can be tricked into anything by the jews.
NAFTA and GATT sent middle class jobs over seas.
>>69513580
Nah, dude. If takes a good understanding of geometry and experience operating the controls to be proficient. Expert machinists who have been at it for 40 years are certainly going to have learned shitloads of neat tricks but they started in the same place as everyone else.
>>69514400
>Many shops will also have dedicated programmers who use computer software (CAD/CAM) to post code out to machines so the operators/machinists on the floor don't have to program at the machine, which is tedious and prone to errors.
Literally part of my job, current title something between CAD technican/design Engineer/Draughtsman.
no degree
Whut do.
Real wages have gone up, people are just buying more things. The average house size has gone up by a lot over the past decades, but people still spend roughly the same percentage of their income on housing, for example.
>>69511843
Tfw I was getting 10 dollars an hour to run and convert autocad programs to work on a Biesse saw.
That warehouse was a fucking joke and I'm glad I'm back in real fucking IT.
>>69510730
The difference is that Trump wants the bring working class jobs back to the USA, Bernie wants to force someone to pay you more money.
>>69511638
Allowing businesses to have large parts of their companies over seas without heavy taxes. The opening of China by Henry "Big Jew" Kissinger.
>>69511651
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>>69510102
I like your ID senpai
Globalization. Farce Trade. New World Order. Trickle Down Piss Economics.
All voted for by the dumb asses known collectively as the boomers.
There was a time when people walked to work and made their own clothes.
Tell that to coal miners.
>>69509930
Childfree here
MGTOW
>homeowner, 3bdrm 2bath house
>independent contractor
>no college debt
>401k growing more and more everyday
>i drive a Jag
>i got a mexican to mow my lawn
>vacations, cruises, maui, thailand
you fucking married with chillren faggots have no idea what you're missing.
time to light up this herb and relax
>>69506393
>your wife didn't need to work
>HEY EVERYONE LETS DO FEMINISM WOMEN DESERVE CAREERS TOO
>suddenly there's a 100% increase in available labour, but there's still the same demand
>huh?? why did wages go down?? i dont get it! we need bernie sanders to force companies to give money to me!
>>69506393
Everything.
>>69516161
Why the fuck do you have a 3 bedroom house for yourself?
>>69516173
This
>>69514844
Its not just that. Its easy to say: I have this part I need to design. But HOW do you design. When you actual draw up the design you have to imagine what it looks like from a solid block of material. Then you have to dimension it according to how important the relationship between two features is. How the part will fit into the assembly, how the tolerance stacks up or how said part is going to be machined.
To me understand the relationship between the design phase and the tools used to make the part always bugged me. I would always second guess as to whether I was designing correctly cause I had a limited understanding of what the machinist needed to know. The profs would give us anecdotes about university students coming down to the shop for practical lessons and how they would have some stupid shit designs simply because Uni students spent too much time in theory and less practice.
I found it all very vague in the beginning, if it wasn't for the fact I had to work part time I could've figured it out through more studying. Its not something that you can invest half way with.
>>69506393
We have machinery that makes physical work force redundant so we need less peasants In shitlevel jobs
If you're not to stupid to get a degree you will be fine
>>69514762
Mad man eh
>>69513580
Quebec anon?
>>69511968
this, no one really talks about how the workforce was basically doubled and the effect this had on the competitive job market
>>69516384
That doesn't make sense, the first country to utilize the women in their workforce would have a huge advantage.
Women entering the workforce didn't specifically fuck up the world. If anything overpopulation is to blame. Innovation should hopefully make most jobs redundant and if we are lucky the government will realize this and just let it go.
>>69506393
Globalism did.
>>69506393
That pic is incorrect. There were tons of poor people in America before the 1970's who worked their asses off merely to subsist.
This cozy and comfy middle class ideal was only true for a minority of families.
>>69516937
Worse, Ontario. You can guess the rest. To be fair though you don't really see to much degeneracy in the suburbs and honestly I don't give a shit about FOBs or REFs. Just mine my own and be on your way.
Though in school I would hate the teachers who had shit English. Holy fuck, there should be a minimum requirement for English proficiency.
>Thinking that you can't afford to live
>Implying people these days don't just suck at budgeting
Seriously, I grew up without a phone or internet, because you budget you're NECESSARY THINGS FIRST.
We live in a gen where everyone spends 400 dollars on phones but not food.
>>69511350
Haven't you seen the Christian Bale movie
>>69516363
>lies
>on the internet
>>69506393
1. Other countries became competitive in the 60s and 70s.
2. American industries were extremely slow to adapt to the market and thus fell behind.
3. There is an unhealthy relationship between ownership and labor which makes it prone to a see saw effect. Unions became too powerful around the same time competition was increasing which did not help their industries compete at the time, but then they were demonized, laws were passed to undermine them, and now you have terrible collective bargaining for laborers which drives wages and benefits down.
4. Improvements in technology rendered a lot of jobs obsolete.
5. Globalization.
>>69506393
>HEY GUYS, WHAT IF WE FLOOD OUR LABOR MARKETS, PRINT MONEY LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW, AND MAKE IT UNPROFITABLE TO DO BUSINESS IN THE COUNTRY?
>>69506964
LBJ getting into power after JFK was assassinated leading to 1960's poverty programs and;
no reduction in MIC (resulting in a search for new conflicts: IE Vietnam).
Ironically ending the draft separated public interest from conflicts allowing more to occur.
Nixon ending the Gold window (would have ended dollar hegemony but we didn't fix it afterward).
Bush Sr. setting stage for MIC contractors while Vice President (gained more authority after Reagan was shot)
Fed prevented Crash of 87 set precedent for riskier lending, spending, speculating (attributing to Tech/Housing boom & bust).
Stuff like that
>>69506393
Free trade and globalism.
>>69506393
women started working.
it increased the supply of labor
which drove wages down.
>>69510727
>MUH SAVE THE WHITERACE BUT WHO MARRY AND HAVE CHILDREN IS A LOSER.
>>69506393
all our production moved overseas. No competition for workers, no benefits/good pay needed to get good workers.
>>69506393
that's why you live single. I work 20 hours and buy whatever I want
>>69518814
More like
>don't have kids when you can't support them
>>69512161
Welding is good. Car mechanic is as well. Electricians get payed rather well, but you start off at shit pay and do all the grunt work.
>>69510153
Exactly this: now capitalism has no true enemy (neither USSR nor Socialism nor any true weapon in the hands of workers no Unions) and it can destroy the middle class as it is doing in the Western world.
>>69506393
The Federal Reserve (national bank) was created 100 years ago
They print money to finance whatever the government wants to do, as long as they keep raising the debt ceiling. There is less currency now than debt, so we can never pay it off.
The year after The Fed was created, they began the income tax, which goes to paying the interest on our debt.
There is your answer. It's always instructive to look at what % of a year salary things were 100 years ago compared to today. Everything down to a pack of gum.
Money from nothing, our founding fathers warned us.
Any surprise they want Trump dead, he wants to audit The Fed
>>69518904
Forever alone.
>>69506393
Jobs pay well when there is a balance of jobs vs workers.
When you flood the workforce (say, by, i donno, flooding the country with illegals, telling women they should all be working, and mandating minority quotas) wages go down.
As usual the answer to "why is _____ so shitty now" is liberals. Always liberals.
>>69506393
>What changed?
The good old post WWII days ended.
You had to compete with Asia, and you couldn't in those sectors that used to feed the working class i.e. manufacturing.
Everything that could be outsourced has been outsourced, and now for some other sectors your companies are literally importing the workers from overseas, to pretty much the same effect.
>>69519139
>They print money to finance whatever the government wants to do, as long as they keep raising the debt ceiling. There is less currency now than debt, so we can never pay it off.
how much longer can this cycle possibly go on? doesn't sound sustainable to me, sounds like the dollar might as well be monopoly money.
>>69512754
lol, in Italy the income tax on average is 46%, often it can get up to 70%.
>>69519868
it is monopoly money. but the world needs that monopoly money to buy oil with.
so we shall go on for awhile. once the oil runs out in the middle east they'll regress to muhammed times in under a generation
>>69516161
when will you grow up faggot?
>>69511955
You're a good man anon
>>69511743
That is brilliant. Simply brilliant on their part
How long have they been planning this all out?
>>69510153
>Capitalism died from lack of competition
2meta
This thread looks like all the comments were made bby Robert Bork, you're all retarded.
>>69517273
your thoughts are not coherent m8.
>the first country to utilize the women in their workforce would have a huge advantage.
yeah because in part by the fact that it would drive down wages.
Its the new globalism meme, only a few decades old. have a policy that fucks over the middle class and lower class of people then claim its good for the country because a few fatcats will benefit. The future you chose.
Israel. RayGun. Wheel of Fortune. Poisoned food. Gutted education. Destroying unions. Going WAY too far right wing. Brainwashing. Intimidation. Cultural marxism. Globalism. Fake and gay false fags. Debt. Lies.
Nixon and Reagan committed treason, and everyone with money saw they could get away with it too.
Trickle Dicks don't even begin to water the country's lawn.
>>69506393
40 hours a week is plenty to support a family in relative luxury. People are just retarded with money and make bad life decisions. Don't blame the system for your own failures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShTVpGuzk1M
Wages droped so the rich can take it.
>>69521567
Hahahahahahaha stupid nigger if minimum wage kept up with its levels of the 1960s and the inflation since that time, it would be $26/hour right now
>>69516161
Child free? More like man child.
>>69510210
Ah Ha... somebody got it
>>69506393
1. Employee production is the highest ever, yet pay is the lowest ever given inflation adjustment. We're living in a time where the working and upper classes are more separated than ever.
3. It's hard to go to college and get a "better job" when you're working 40 hours a week. If you do manage to take just one class at community college that costs $400 per-semester, you're not going to be leaving McDonald's for a higher-paying job anytime soon! It's going to take you forever!
>>69522902
where's point 2?
>>69523006
The hell of faeces in which we live and operate
Isn't min wage 7 dollars and half?
How can you not survive on (7.5*80)= 600 dollars a week?
>>69513202
Not saying it's a bad thing, but it is a factor to take into account
>>69523006
>>69523006
I accidentally made only two points, but I'll make another claim.
2. Greed. The desire for more. The idea that, even though 2 men of the same age work the same hours, contribute to the best of their ability, and come home tired and stressed, one is seen as lesser-than based on their social status and job prestige.
We've only got so long here on Earth, and we all end up in the same wooden box after a few decades. If we could all work towards equality somehow, we could possibly be working towards an age where general happiness and prosperity, and love for the fellow man.
>>69506393
The sheer stupidity in this thread do you morons have the slightest idea of how the economy works or are you too busy spouting buzzwords and falling for scapegoats to care no wonder American workers get fucked they're cucks if they're anything like you guys
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are now in full effect. First set down in 1895 at the World Zionist Conference in Basel. They take time to work, and time they have. Give those a read.
