I've been on /pol/ for 4 years and I've yet to see good arguments against social liberalism.
What's wrong with being a liberal who isn't as left as Sanders?
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>>69497729
Yeah but what about a response that means something?
Liberals don't exist anymore. Liberals are supposed to be about giving people more rights, not taking rights away and dissolving borders. Liberals morphed into progressives/communists.
>>69497612
We wuz space travelers and shiet.
>>69497861
Pretty meaningless. I love civil liberties, believe in strong borders and I'm a liberal. This really isn't as rare as the media or memes would lead you to believe. It is in fact very common in New England, especially Massachusetts.
>>69497986
Nah. Melanesians are descended from Africans but have the highest admixture of Denisovan DNA on planet Earth. They also happen to have giant blonde afros and crazy blue eyes that evolved separately from other blue eyed people.
Genuine liberals support a market economy. Totalitarian leftists can call themselves liberals all they want to, it doesn't make it true.
>>69497861
This. I was trying to be liberal in the past. But I discovered that Im surounded by biggest hypocrites and untolerant fucks on the planet. "The fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists".
>>69498306
Well no. There's a reason a distinction is made between classical liberals and social liberals.
>>69498050
You aren't liberal, you are a moderate / conservative now because the spectrum shifted to the left so much.
Also people who label themselves are some of the biggest retarded people out there. Once you label yourself, you are giving people power over you because you will subconsciously do everything the group does.
http://criminology.wikia.com/wiki/Labeling_Theory
You are an american, I am a canadian. Remember that.
>>69498437
Look man, it's not my fault that my ideas happen to be something that other people believe and it already has a name.
I'm like Sanders only less far left. That makes me a liberal.
>>69497861
this
Liberals are supposed to be the closest ideology to anarchism. Reduction of government authority, control on economy, influence on media and everything.
Modern american """liberals""" are the most pathetic things I've ever seen
>>69498750
Why are you defending your label so much? I am just telling you how psychology works. You have those beliefs because it's your minds interpretation of the label.
>>69498345
That's not my deal man. I really don't like SJW's and often hate them.
>>69498750
>liberalism
>left
neck yourself cunt
>>69498890
I have a degree in psychology and work in the field. I decided on these beliefs before I knew the exact label. I didn't choose a label that I think sounded good and then adopted the ideology. For someone claiming psychology knowledge are drastically oversimplifying concepts.
>>69499026
It is left. Liberalism and leftist ideologies have always been linked. Freedom, democracy and civil liberties are very much leftist ideas.
>>69499099
And I'm a drop out stoner, yet I seem to know more about psychology and politics than you. Fancy that.
>>69499184
This is where the left/right dichotomy fails.
Economically, liberals have a very right wing view on economics.
Socially, they are libertarian, which is neither left nor right.
Liberalism is a right wing view. If you believe in welfare, in minimum wage or anything else, you are not a liberal.
>>69499227
I just told you why you don't know more about psychology. You're oversimplifying complex concepts.
>>69499425
You're completely neglecting the existence of social liberalism and don't seem to fully grasp what left and right mean. It's less about how much money your gov spends and more about equality vs. hierarchy
Collectivism in any form is evil. If the government wants to provide welfare and bennies it should be done with funds taken from tariffs and other non-tax revenue - like when the government charges for licensing or certification, or from government profits from the bond market, or when the government sells or surpluses old military equipment.
Our government now doesn't tariff shit, destroys tons of military gear it can't sell overseas; instead of surplussing it out to civilians
>>69499714
I think we should implement tariffs, but in order to have a prosperous and great society, I think we need to pool our money or our efforts.
>>69497612
>social liberalism
what do you mean?
>>69499661
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Because you and your country dont understand what the ideology means doesnt mean its left wing.
Look at its origins, who supported it during its development and understand that bourgeois do not support left wing views.
liberals today are neo-marxists
I really wish liberals today could be of the John Locke variety
>>69499661
Labeling theory isn't complex at all, I just told you how it works. Your desire to belong to something compels you to adopt the groups beliefs, or being told you are something causes you to become that.
It's like when people call others stupid or ugly enough, they will believe they are indeed those things when it isn't necessarily true.
Also the political spectrum isn't a line or a graph, it's a circle.
Remember brother, you are an american, let that define you.
>>69497612
Somebody with artistic skill needs to turn this African child into a rare pepe
>>69499888
>understand that bourgeois do not support left wing views.
Yeah exactly. In a functioning democracy, the state is a tool of the people that can be used to better the lives of the public through services and projects.
>>69500059
Anon your psych 202 tier knowledge and attitude is cringey. For the last time, I only labeled it when I found out it had a label.
>>69500102
Both of which are agaisnt liberalism.
Early democracies, ruled by the bourgeois and aristocratic elites, did not enact services or benefits for its people.
Until the right to vote was spread and socialists entered government, the government had very little power in terms of economy and social benefits.
Liberalism is what you think "libertarianism" is, even though libertarianism in itself isnt an ideology.
Liberalism=less government, less services, less tariffs=right wing
>>69500415
I highly doubt you are a psychologist, as if you need to justifying your shaky stance further.
If I am wrong, correct me then, but you know I'm right.
>>69499661
>It's less about how much money your gov spends and more about equality vs. hierarchy
The more your government has control over the currency and money the larger the hierarchy buddy.
The difference between a private entity owning a lot of stuff and a government owning a lot of stuff is that you only owe something to the private individual if he offers you something prior to payment.
In the case of a government, they take your money through varius form of taxation and then provide you with some service.
The difference being that for some reason the government is owed the money and therefore it is part of a different hierarchy and since they cannot be contested then we end up in a situation where you have a legally enforced arbitrary hierarchy.
The less a population can do with there stuff in a given area, the more they are suffering from a state of oppression.
>>69497612
Black ghetto culture in the United States is a direct result of leftist policy.
You fuckers aren't liberal, you're radical leftist.
>>69500585
Anon these words are nowhere near as strictly defined as you're making them out to be. The idea of social liberalism is that freedom doesn't exist when people are poor and struggling.
>>69500634
I am. I already corrected you. You misinterpreted the process of settling on a label, you are oversimplfying concepts and also trying to make assessments of personality on an image board. You really should have stayed in school, you just sound like a psych underclassmen know it all which is effectively what you are.
>>69500836
Yeah anon in a functioning democracy the state is run by the people and this isn't an issue.
>>69500919
Social liberalism is about as real as cultural marxism
Stupid made up ideologies stolen from legitimate ones to create a scapegoat or justify a shit tier political stance
>>69500919
Thank you for the compliment, I am just telling you this because I care. Don't label yourself maaaaaaan. Chomsky would cry if he saw you doing that.
>>69501071
All ideologies are made up you dense fuck. There's no scapegoating here.
>>69501168
A know it all often means that someone thinks they know more than they actually do. You really should have finished school.
>>69501291
That's not what I was referring to, the fact I sound even remotely like a college student shows that /pol/ has done it's job.
>>69497612
Because it's self-destructive.
There are some liberal ideas that are good, but ironically they can only be instituted in a country with nationalistic or conservative values. For example, welfare and universal healthcare can only work as intended in a country with strong work ethics and a sense of community derived from a population that shares a common background, culture and history. The moment this unity is broken, the ruling class or majority gets blamed for the problems of the minorities. Socialism is divisive, not inclusive, because it pits all the self-proclaimed victims against the majority.
When liberalism runs rampant, you end up with a destrucitve mindset of people playing the victim, because they're told they're victims. Liberal ideals also don't have an end goal, because they keep moving the goal posts. Liberals used to fight for women receiving equal pay for equal work and against discrimination of homosexuals. Those aren't bad ideas. However, when they achieve their goals, they find new ways to play the victim and new ways to blame the establishment for their own failures. They also stop fighting for equality, and start celebrating and fighting for "diversity", with the implications that they're better than the traditional establishment. It's basically racism and sexism for liberals. Look at modern feminism, BLM or the insane LGBT movement. They're no longer pushing for equal rights. They're pushing for special privileges and want the government to babysit them.
It really is ironic. With the rejection of the typical male patriarch as their provider, women didn't end up liberated. They ended up looking for another provider, because they weren't able to compete with men in an open market place. So the government takes the place that the man used to have, and they demand special treatment so that they can compete with men.
>>69501172
Ahh american education
Got it ;)
>>69501760
Holy shit kid, educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism
>>69501560
All your arguments are negated by acknowledging that all liberals aren't extreme as you're implying.
>>69501992
>All your arguments are negated by acknowledging that all liberals aren't extreme as you're implying.
When did I imply that?
>>69501059
In a functioning democracy there would be no State and people would form there own councils if necessary.
The State is an anti-human concept.
And as for democracy and a State functioning is not something the world as ever seen. There is a reason why democracy was the laughing stock of political proposition for ever.
It's like feminism, they claims it's about equal rights but in practice it is not.
there is a fundamental problem with a theory if the practice doe snot match it's hypothetical proposition.
>>69501992
>liberalism supports free market
>social """liberalism""" supports handouts
Jesus christ america please
>>69502205
All of your complaints were directed at people who are more extreme than what I'm talking about.
>>69502256
>The State is an anti-human concept.
>states never function correctly
Meaningless. I never thought I'd say this but you really need to smoke less weed.
>>69502446
>american comprehension
>american argumentation
How do people like you get into tertiary education? Over here you'd be humiliated by countless asians who can barely speak the language
>>69497612
The american definition of liberal is shit anyway.
Liberalism in french is : More liberty. Less state everywhere.
So of fucking course it's gonna be more free market, and the less possible law ampering the right of the people.
And that is considered quite right wing, compared to the "the state must fix all inequality" socialism.
>>69502706
You realize you're being condescending when you've only argued semantics this entire time right? This is how it's taught here. Social liberalism is a real concept that is taught academically. Fuck yourself abbo.
>>69502947
Yeah that's cool, you gonna make an argument about the concept or are you just going to bitch about cross-cultural semantic disagreements?
>>69497612
IQ is genetic
Success is genetic
Crime is genetic
>>69503441
And?
>>69502446
>Meaningless
So it is meaningless to assert that with a State you cannot have democracy because the concept of a State is an anti-human concept which cannot allow the people to form there own unions if necessity requires it and that regardless if you do not participate you can end up being murdered because you do not agree with the decree of an obscure institution that assumes it speaks for other?
How is this liberalism?
>>69497861
We're still here. We just don't identify with the current crop of millennial dipshits who claim to be "progressive liberals" despite exemplifying the opposite of both of those attributes.
>>69503758
Anon it's not my job to educate you on what social liberalism means. Argue the concept itself, or fuck off.
>>69503758
People see the state as necessary because the alternative is way fucking worse. Name one group of millions of people who have maintained a non-shithole for several decades or more without a state after the industrial revolution. I'll fucking wait.
