Abortion is an inalienable human right.
No one owns your body but you and it does not matter if a fetus is alive or not.
Religious people need to stay the Hell out of politics.
>>69491418
Anti abortion atheist here
Your argument has been crushed
>>69491418
human rights are not a real thing
>No one owns your body
there are 1000s of regulations on what you can do with your own body
how are they constitutional if bans on abortion are not?
>>69491582
You want to force women to give birth?>>69491527
You are a moron. It is liberty issue, the fetus doesnrtatter at all
>>69491699
>You want to force women to give birth?
sure why not?
I'm okay with abortion if we can allow post-birth abortions for all the lefty fags shitting up poll. Let's make a deal
>>69491977
Because abortion is central to our God given liberties
>>69491418
>no one knows your body but you
The majority of people think oxygenated blood is blue
People are dumb af
>>69492327
>keep religion out of politics
>our rights are granted by God
I want you to think carefully about this.
>Abortion is an inalienable human right.
Dont use Macho Man when shilling, jidf.
>>69492327
where does it say that in the constitution?
>>69492464
It is. You have a right to the pursuit of happiness which kids destroy. Honestly do we even need kids anymore? They harm the ability of people to consume and further the economy.
Kids mean less consumption, which seems selfish.
>no one owns your body
Except your mother during the first nine months of your life.
>>69492850
As long as you are inside another person you don't count as a human. It is none of your business if a woman decided to abort your kid.
>>69491977
What if they were raped?
What if they're niggers?
He is pretty Macho tbqh famalama
>>69492934
Bullshit.
>>69492934
go back 2 reddit, you're not fooling anyone you fag
>>69491418
wow flippin phil is a hottie
Okay. Abortion is a dead issue. Why do we keep discussing it. Literally no one cares about this issue but religious people. Can we move on from this already Jesus fuck.
>>69491418
The "fetus" is still another human, so by your very logic you must also protect their body as well.
The baby has its own DNA, blood type, and organs, etc. Just because of the position in the vagina is different than you or I does not make the baby any less human you flaming faggot.
>>69493757
It's still a major issue over here. There are people like me who will fight abortion on demand until the very end.
>>69492798
You're fucking SICK, and most definitely DEGENERATE.
>>69492798
stop having sex if you dont want kids but deal with the consequences. There is something fundamentally wrong with the species if it deems it's own life above that of its own offspring.
>>69491418
Murder is a crime.
End of story.
This isn't debatable.
This is only an issue because the left wants the slut vote.
>>69494026
fucking this.
>>69491527
same here, friendo
I think that the fetus's right to life trumps the woman's right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness (unless the woman's life is in danger, in which case the woman's life should be favored)
>>69491418
I honestly hope you are raped, murdered and then dismembered. You have shit for brains and you should be put to death
>>69491418
But thank you for aborting 55 million democrats
>>69493834
It's pretty much a parasite and cannot survive on it's own so it really isn't it's own body
>>69491418
Rats also kill their young
>>69494019
I hate when people make decisions that are black and white without exceptions. Not everyone getting abortions are due sex mistakes.
And even then why should it matter if they get an abortion when it is just a small clump of cells? How is that much different than jacking off not into a woman for the sole reason of procreation? There's a lot of gray when it comes to abortion and I hate it when people treat it like a black and white issue.
>>69494497
>if animals do it, it must be moral for reasoning men
>>69491699
>fetus somehow makes it biologically different than humans and not alive
>>69494473
So a person on life support doesn't have their own body? They're just an extension of the machine?
>>69494600
Most people are okay with abortion in cases of rape, risk to the mother's life, and instances where the baby would have a very poor quality of life outside the womb.
>>69493757
The fact that everybody turns a blind eye on this crime doesn't mean it is a dead issue.
>>69491418
Did the fetus consent?
Fetuses body, fetuses choice.
>>69494473
That could just as easily apply to an infant or even a toddler
>>69493004
Rape is one of the few instances where I would support abortion. I think it's okay to make a woman carry a baby to term that was the result of consensual sex, but I imagine that having to give birth your rapist's baby could seriously fuck you up mentally.
>>69494327
I think abortion should not only be legal, it should be subject to gender equality. That is, if a guy doesn't want to have his life ruined by some bitch getting pregnant and leeching off him on child support for 18 years, he should be able to get a termination order.
>>69491418
I'm not religious, I'm a skeptic. And the burden is on you to convince me of that, because I can play both sides of the coin very easily.
>>69494600
>And even then why should it matter if they get an abortion when it is just a small clump of cells? How is that much different than jacking off not into a woman for the sole reason of procreation? There's a lot of gray when it comes to abortion and I hate it when people treat it like a black and white issue.
actually its pretty simple pham, ill explain it to you:
Its different because once the egg and sperm connect to form the zygote, it's human. A species should not be killing its own young. I can understand wanting an abortion because of a rape or an unhealthy child but its sitll murder. have the child, give it away. No its not easy and carrying it will suck but trading a human life to avoid 9 months displeasure/mental anguish is unjustifiable.
>>69494019
An adult life is objectively worth more than that of an offspring. Adults are more productive and harder to replace than offspring.
>>69494473
this logic is so flawed it surprises me that people still use it.
>>69492798
Tell that to Mohamed.
>>69491699
You want to force people to not kill eachother?
You are a moron. It is a liberty issue, the life doesn't matter at all.
>>69495389
>An adult life is objectively worth more than that of an offspring
but the trade off here is not 1 Adult for 1 Child, it's 1 Adult's temporary suffering for 1 Child. Not a fair trade.
every child is a God's gift
>>69491418
>Abortion is an inalienable human right.
Abortion is murder. Thou shall not kill.
>>69491418
Pic related now fuck off kike
>>69492798
you're fucking retarded
go ahead and die out you immoral moron, don't force my nation to do the same thing
>>69495332
Yes it is justifiable. The unwanted human has no right to make the mother suffer and neither do you. The life of the existing human is more important than that of the embryo.
>>69495442
This kek, and why don't we just admit that babies and children are parasites, we could grant an abortion right to parents on their children until 16 years.
>Inb4 "muh Roman Empire"
>>69495656
Aren't narco gangs all catholics? You have no problem killing people.
>>69495332
>avoid 9 months displeasure/mental anguish is unjustifiable
So I guess after 9 months you can just toss the baby away right? Kids in foster care have it awesome I hear nothing but good things.
>>69491418
>No one owns your body but you
This is the most retarded argument out there. You're the fucking one that put the fetus there. It didn't just appear at random.
Abortion is the pinnacle of this new wave feminism that is about absolving women of any and all responsibility for their own actions.
>>69495581
Yes it is a fair trade. You have no right to inflict suffering on a woman.
>>69491418
True, I don't get why people WANT these babies to be born no matter what, like they have an important role in anything. They're gonna be raised badly and become a burden on society.
Natural selection already has a lot of trouble doing its work on our species, if even we can't give it a little help, then no wonder our planet is overpopulated by a majority of retards.
>>69492798
Pic is the inside of your brain
Just think an Aborted foetus could grow to be a legend like the late randy savage (RIP)
>>69496066
Have you ever heard of rape and sabotaging one's birth control? Both are pretty common crimes.
>>69495786
>My Body My Choice
I am so sick of hearing that fucking self-entitled phrase on my college campus. Fucking bints just want to be to fuck themselves silly without consequence.
>>69496101
>You have no right to inflict suffering on a woman.
No of course not, nobody does. We also don't have a right to kill somebody just because their existence causes us to suffer.
>>69491418
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_destruction
>>69493142
But that other person is essentially a parasite on your body. Then again, assuming you weren't raped, it was your choice to host a parasite, so you're and idiot you should deal with the consequences of your shitty choice. Then again, we don't want idiots raising children, lest the child become a burden to society.
One option is to euthanize stupid and trashy people. Another is to attempt to educate society as a whole better and encourage personal responsibility and maturity.
It's all so complex.
>>69496101
>You have no right to inflict suffering on a woman.
>doing what her body is designed to do after having consensual sex
>suffering
Cry me a river.
>>69495959
They secretly practice Santeria, nothing catholic in that.
>>69496404
>you're and
Oh
>>69496404
I support abortion in cases of rape incidentally. But fuck off with that parasite bullshit. That argument is used by the kind of people who want women to be able to fuck themselves stupid without consequence.
>>69491418
who gave you your human rights?
>>69496404
Genetically the unborn child is not your body.
It is. Combination of your body and the fathers body.
I can't wait for this shit to be argued.
I'm anti-abortion myself, but I can bet you anything when most people on this board would be faced with the responsibility of a child they'd make the bitch get an abortion. This board is full of pussies can't face and handle actual hardship, rather they'd complain about it on the Internet. Sad.
>>69496640
>It is. Combination of your body and the fathers body.
Damn, that's actually an argument I haven't seen used before. Well fucking played!
>>69494999
Let's say wife no longer consents to sex because she doesn't want to get pregnant and husband rapes her, and it's her word against his. How do you ensure she is not forced to live with her rapist and her rapist's spawn, causing her endless trauma and suffering? How you ensure all husbands and boyfriends who do not renounce sex with their spouses/gfs are punished accordingly?
>>69496640
But it's inside my body and it's violating it. It must be punished for that.
>>69497089
>But it's inside my body and it's violating it. It must be punished for that.
i can't believe we're actually giving women rights.
>>69496625
But it is a parasite. An unwanted parasite leeching off someone else's body.
agreed, this goes for suicide and gun rights too
everybody needs to mind their own damn business
>>69496940
That's a legal issue with rape not abortion. Everybody knows that the way that they legal system handles rape needs a serious overhaul.
>>69497089
This must be bait.
>>69497307
Yep, definitely bait. Only reddit-tier feminists believe the sort of bullshit you're spewing.
>>69497307
Good Goy
I'm watching the news right now and they're going all in lambasting him. People honestly are shocked that a someone would be against killing babies.
>>69497439
That's dodging the question. If the legal system needs overhauling in regards to rape, that takes precedence over abortion since it affects existing fully conscious people.
>>69491418
No.
>>69491418
Stalin was against abortion. He was an atheist.
>>69496640
>fathers
>ever having rights
hahahahahahaha
Women should be allowed to abort their pregnancies.
Men should be allowed to refuse to pay for a child they never wanted.
>>69494664
It can't live without its mother. Therefore her rights as an individual, specifically the fundamental right to autonomous control of her individuality, are paramount. She can not be forced by the state to biologically give of herself to another entity, independent of whether she created that entity. Outlawing abortion is fundamentally anti-freedom and anti-individual, and is a promotion of state control over basic biological autonomy. It makes me sick that people can still be pro-life.
>>69491699
>want to force women to give birth
Don't have sex you moron, problem solved.
>inb4 sex drive can't be suppressed everyone has to have sex etc
Look around here, full of virgins who doesn't have sex. IT'S NO PROBLEM
>>69496404
You completely neglect the fact that every human being has an individual responsibility in his destiny. The fact that you are grown up by trashy people doesn't mean you will become a trashy people as an adult.
And you can give the better education you can imagine to everybody, trashy people will appear spontaneously so you can't avoid the birth of those people, you can just reduce (and not too much) their number.
I don't get why you want this part of humanity to be exterminated. This is a charge to the society, allright. Just like the old people, disabled people ect. But I guess you probably want them to be euthanised right ?
>>69496366
You can kill someone who trespasses into your house to defend yourself, you can kill something that violates your body to defend yourself as well. The woman's life takes precedence.
>>69497903
In an ideal world. But there's less chance of that happening than abortion being banned in this day and age.
>>69498082
>You can kill someone who trespasses into your house to defend yourself
Depends where you live.
>>69497964
>reproduction is not a biological imperative
And they don't have sex because they can't get laid. Not through some misguided sense of purity.
>>69491418
>>69491418
>>69491418
>human right
WHY CANT I HAVE SEX AND NOT GET PREGNANT?
WHY CANT I JUST MURDER THE UNBORN CHILD INSTEAD OF PRACTICING SAFE SEX OR ACCEPTING THE RISKS
>>69493888
Me too lad.
>>69498158
Should be universal. Just like abortion.
>>69491418
>its my body
its the fetus' body that you're killing not the mother's
>>69498174
>no prob
Hahahahaha
>>69491418
Just keep jerking off to porn and vote to make throwing babies into the trash a legal, acceptable practice. Watch the unclean satanic hordes rape your family and piss on everything your forefathers fought for. Degenerate cuck.
>>69498174
Did I mention purity?
I said it's not a problem to avoid sex.
Sex = pregnancy
With all the sex ed of today and you still don't get it. Abortion is never needed.
Don't want kids, DON'T HAVE SEX.
omg you people are retarded
>>69491418
Non-theist pro-lifer here. The argument has nothing to do with religion. The fetus is a human person, it doesn't matter what mental gymnastics you play to define it as otherwise, and as such, it is entitled to the same human rights as the mother that carries it. If it is illegal to murder the mother, then it should be illegal to murder the person inside the mother too, as they are both equal people with equal human rights. Killing the unborn baby is murder.
these same people would turn around in the next breath and claim Carthage as evil due to baby killing.
JUST
>>69491418
>>69496640
that's why the father and mother should both have a say so on what happens
>>69498214
But fampai pro-lifers are against safe sex as well because they hate women.
>>69491418
Why do Republicans hate Science? Why?
>>69498320
Fuck off, you degenerate.
>>69498602
We don't hate women. We hate that women are allowed end a life just so they can live irresponsible lives.
>>69498499
Birth control is a thing. Do you want to deprive someone of birth control too?
What about married couples who don't want children? Do you want them to resort to rape or divorce because sex is important for keeping the couple together?
>>69498214
Unwanted children are not an appropriate punishment for a misspent life. They become adults and fuck up everything for the rest of us
>>69498499
>SEX IS NOT A BIOLOGICAL IMPERATIVE, STAHP PRETENDING HUMANS ARE ANIMALS
Every person here would give up their virginity faced with the option, they will not defy biology through some superimposed morality. This is 4chan, nobody with a properly oriented moral compass would ever visit this website.
>>69498887
>>69498904
It's a simple matter of cause and effect.
How hard is it to connect the dots that
Sex ----> pregnancy ---> kid you have to raise
>>69498692
What is an irresponsible life to you? Just a woman enjoying herself and her sexuality "irresponsible"? Is a girlfriend taking the pill in order not to get pregnant while having sex with her bf "irresponsible"? Is a wife taking the pill sl as not to get pregnant again or when she doesn't want to in her marriage "irresponsible"? Do you think married couples should not have sex?
>>69492934
Sweet, so when I kill you and eat your corpse it ain't murder cause you're inside my body and therefore not a human.
>>69494473
Idiot, babies can't survive on their own and it's illegal to neglect and kill them
>>69499200
>BUT I KNOW I KNOW I LEARNED IT IN CHURCH BASIC BIOLOGICAL PROCESSES AND DRIVES YOU ARE GENETICALLY PROGRAMMED TO FULFILL CAN BE OVERRIDDEN IF I WISH AND PRAY HARD ENOUGH.
>>69499400
Holy Fuck Atheists BTFO
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>>69499273
Not being sufficiently careful when having sex is what most people would call irresponsible. People seem to have forgotten that there is an inherent risk involved in having sex. If you fall foul of that risk, ending a life shouldn't be your Get out of Jail Free card.
>>69499400
Doesn't matter if it's murder or not. See >>69497933
>>69494802
There is no justifiable reason to allow abortion in the case of rape pregnancy if you believe the issue is about the human right to life.
>>69499200
You don't have to raise it. You can abandon it somewhere.You can also raise it while neglecting, abusing and beating the shit out of it if you're particularly venomous. Make it pay.
And you keep dodging the auestion about birth control.
>>69491418
What about the baby's human rights?
Abortion is a jew business.
>>69491418
>No one owns your body but you
Precisely, no one may harm the body of an unborn, even if it is dependent on their mother's body.
Therefore abortion should be illegal.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
>>69497903
THIS. This has always been my position. Abortion kills niggers, if negresses know they aren't getting muh child support they'll abort even more. Stops kike bitches from exploiting men, does EVERYTHING.
>>69499459
If you're unable to control your own actions you are mentally ill.
Is this what you're saying, your behaviour is beyond your control? Then you should be locked up and medicated, who knows what you may do?
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwim59zt7-vLAhWk2aYKHWwWD14QjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F459437599463983269%2F&bvm=bv.118443451,d.dGY&psig=AFQjCNEKeUsdMqt3GUv2zpUsUZf420L7iA&ust=1459546235677383
>>69499273
You can enjoy sexuality BUT FUCKING ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES AND THE RISK INVOLVED.
YOU DONT GET TO KILL THINGS BECAUSE YOU DID NOT PLAN AHEAD OR ACCEPT THE FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY.
WHEN YOU FUCK SOMEONE YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO GET PREGNANT. THIS IS A BASIC BIOLOGICAL FACT.
YOU FUCK, BETTER ACCEPT THE FUCKING POSSIBILITY A HUMAN LIFE COULD BE BORN INSIDE OF YOU.
I wish every pro Abortion fuckheads mother had aborted them. The world would be a better place.
>>69499643
It's not a black and white issue. There's a difference between carrying an unwanted baby to term that was the result of consensual sex and and giving birth to your rapists child. The latter can seriously fuck somebody up mentally after an already traumatic experience.
>>69500030
Well said
>>69500030
LOUD NOISES
>>69491418
Nobody gets to decide if a fetus lives or dies. That fetus has rights, just like we can't destroy certain bird eggs and shouldn't destroy ANY eggs at all in reality.
>>69499585
So you approve of birth control being free and readily available to all women, as you can't expect people to be sufficiently careful if you sabotage them in their means of being careful.
>>69499683
There is no question. "Birth control" what? What do you even mean?
>>69500007
>STOPPIT!! STOPPIT!! WE ARE NOT ANIMALS!! WE ARE BETTER!! WE ARE HIGHER LIFE FORMS!!
>>69500184
but fried eggs are delicious, so is fried fetus
>>69500065
Carrying an unwanted baby to term is a trauma in itself whether the sex was consensual or not.
>>69500224
"free"
I dont want to pay for someone elses birth control.
Why should I?
If they want to have sex, they probably should plan ahead and get a rubber or two. Or they should not have sex.
Stop fucking like rabbits and then asking others to pay for your mistakes.
>>69500384
>why do I have to accept responsibility of being of mother?
Should have maybe not gotten pregnant?
If the child can't survive on it's own, abortion is fair game
If the child can live on its own, aka pregnacy is older than 6 months then abortion should be treated as 1st degree murder
You can't have a right to life and a right to take life at the same time. It's a contradiction.
If you want the right to abort babies then I want the right to abort you.
>>69500224
I never said anything about banning birth control. But it shouldn't be free either. I'm not paying for the degeneracy of others,
>>69500384
Bullshit. When you have sex, no matter how careful you are, you are entering into an implicit contract where getting pregnant is a distinct possibility. A woman's body is designed to have babies, and as long as the sex was consensual she should shut up and deal with it.
>>69500275
So conservatards are closer to the primate's intelligence than an actual human being's... Got it. Have you ever notice a lot of Anti-Abortion people always have this stupid look on their face?
>>69500235
>>69500030
So you people think birth control does not exist? That women who take the pill etc. in order not to get pregnant do not exist?
>>69500275
Ok, I see.
So you are not responsible for your actions? No human is?
Maybe we don't need laws either. We don't need police. How about if we just start doing whatever we want because noone is responsible and noone can blame anyone for anything.
Then shut the fuck up about not having "rights"!
BY YOUR OWN WORDS YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS AND YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING. RULE BY FORCE AND VIOLENCE IS WHAT YOU CHOOSE.
>>69500758
Does not matter. What happens to her body is her choice because that is how it works in a free society.
Always err on the side of freedom and liberty and the fact that the lives of others are none of my business
>>69491418
>Religious people need to stay the Hell out of politics.
faggots need to stay the Hell out of politics.
>>69500932
I err on the side of science and progress.
>>69500711
Have you not seen the dead soulless look of a modern day liberal. They are like dead inside. Their eyes are empty and they shamble about like angry zombies.
>>69500758
Literally I dont even understanding
>>69501088
im dead inside too. Doesn't mean im wrong
>>69500702
>it shouldn't be free
So you are sabotaging people while expecting them to hold ul to your standard. Hypocrite.
Also there is no implicit contract. I signed nothing and gave no agreement to be pregnant.
Okay faggots, step 1 is to define person-hood. We'll take it from there.
>>69501034
Then you are an idiot asking to be enslaved by both those things. You are a sheep.
>>69501235
BAAAAAH BAAAAH
>>69500824
There are certain specific cases where we have agency, when it comes to making the choice to perform specific actions. Even at some more fundamental levels, we can condition our behavior in the same way you can get a hungry dog to stand and stare at a treat and not eat it until given a release command. But you are in no more conscious control over your basic animal drives (survival, companionship, reproduction) than you are over your own heartbeat or body temperature.
>>69497933
Lots of creatures (including many humans) can't live without the care of something/someone else. The obvious examples are newborn children, the infirm, and the elderly. Does their existence outside of a womb fundamentally change their right to life?
Regardless, the state can (and does regularly) state what we can do with our biology (and how our biology can interact with others). None of these other things are decried as anti-individual or anti-freedom. That argument is specious.
Be honest, you really just want to have casual sex without worrying about the consequences of pregnancy. There's no need to hide your intentions.
>>69491418
>9 months of freedom is greater than giving life
you've got some fucked up ethics senpai
>>69501175
>So you are sabotaging people while expecting them to hold ul to your standard. Hypocrite.
No, I expect them to pay for there birth control or don't have sex. It's a very simple premise. Even the most degenerate of people should be able to understand it.
>Also there is no implicit contract. I signed nothing and gave no agreement to be pregnant.
It's not a literal contract, you autist.
>>69500758
Fertility has always been worshipped by humans, especially for females the time in their life when they are fertile is a short narrow window of the month for a short period of their lives.
This small opportunity to create the future generation, something that has been treated as the most valuble thing all throughout history, is something you want to destroy, suppress?
Do you know how hard it is to actually get pregnant? Some couples try for years.
"Birth control" as a means of reducing this extremely rare opportinuty even further is just sheer idiocy. It's not worth mentioning.
Abort the child to save it from a lifetime of suffering, unless you believe you can give it a proper upbringing.
Then again people are too stupid to think that far ahead.
>>69501175
>I signed nothing and gave no agreement to be pregnant.
Did you sign a contract to obey gravity? No?
Why don't you jump off a bridge and fly like a bird then?
>>69501794
We don't need that many people. Infant mortality is much lower than it was in the times convention and we don't lose as many people to disease and war.
>>69501584
>Lots of creatures (including many humans) can't live without the care of something/someone else. The obvious examples are newborn children, the infirm, and the elderly. Does their existence outside of a womb fundamentally change their right to life?
Sure they have the right to life, but the state can't force someone to give biologically of themselves unless it pretends to control biological autonomy. If you believe that the state should have that power, you're anti-freedom and I believe you're giving the state too much power.
>Regardless, the state can (and does regularly) state what we can do with our biology (and how our biology can interact with others). None of these other things are decried as anti-individual or anti-freedom. That argument is specious.
Your freedom, you mean. Restrict your movements. They can't strap you down and force you to give your blood to someone who is dying, or impregnate a woman, those are inside your boundaries of individuality, and the state recognizes that.
>Be honest, you really just want to have casual sex without worrying about the consequences of pregnancy. There's no need to hide your intentions.
I also learned rhetoric on 4chan. Should we also see what other dank memes we can bring out to turn a discussion thread into a long list of shitposts?
>>69501709
But if you make birth control too expensive people won't be able to afford it. Again, do you expect married couples to just not have sex even though that destroys the couple?
>it's not a literal contract
Then it has no value.
Women that are forced to have children should make the child pay for it. I would beat the shit out of an unwanted piece of shit daily. It's the just punishment for making me suffer with its existence. I would beat it and remind it its life is poison and he should be dead and deny him everything to make him suffer.
>>69500519
So someone being raped or a birth control failing is the couples fault? You're fucking retard, just about the same as Bernie suporters.
>>69501175
Having sexual intercourse is the contract, and the act of fucking is your signature on the dotted line to accept the risk involved.
No one is forcing you to sign the contract. But when you sign, you are signing for the responsibility of being a parent and bringing a human life into the world.
If you want to mitigate the chances of this, birth control is what you should go get. This is YOUR responsibility.
Either dont fuck and have zero risk, or fuck and have extreme risk, or fuck with protection and have minor risk.
Pick one. its your choice and not my job to pay for your shit decisions. Why should your child suffer because you couldnt be bothered to read and understand the agreement?
>>69502137
You do that.
>>69502362
>Again, do you expect married couples to just not have sex even though that destroys the couple?
Frankly I don't care.
>>>69502362
>I would beat the shit out of an unwanted piece of shit daily. It's the just punishment for making me suffer with its existence. I would beat it and remind it its life is poison and he should be dead and deny him everything to make him suffer.
You are a terrible human being. Like, I think you might actually have mental problems.
>>69502362
>Again, do you expect married couples to just not have sex even though that destroys the couple?
SAY IT WITH ME:
NOT
MY
RESPONSIBILITY
I am responsible for my own wife and kids. I am not responsible for anyone else's.
>>69493004
black people dont get abortions, because more chilluns = more benefits
>>69502148
>We
Not if you plan on being extinct. Maybe the world will be better off without westerners and specifically american feminists. The future will be ruled by 3rd world dictators who realized a larger population has a value.
I'm done with this thread.
>>69491418
Abortion is a non-issue
Birth control exists
>>69502722
>birth control exists
No shit sherlock, good job.
>>69502423
Birth control failing is just a risk you have accepted. No one is forcing you to have sex.
Birth control isnt 100% only not fucking is.
You accepted that responsibility by sticking the benis is the vagina with or without a condom.
Rape is different because it is not a consesual agreement whereby both parties can evaluate and agree to the risk involved.
But you still have a life inside you and must evaluate what is more important; The human inside of you or not having a child.
>>69502705
>Sweden
Yeah sure Ahmed well have 40 fucking kids just so we can rule the world.
>>69491418
What do you think Macho Man is thinking about?
>>69502469
No it's not a contract. I did not sign shit and there's no dotted line.
>why should your child suffer
For the same reason why you kill cockroaches and cure diseases, because you can't force people to be with something that is damaging them. And an unwanted child is a damage to the mother on all aspects.
>>69497307
>unwanted
sex = baby, its not nature's or the baby's fault retards dont understand this
dont have unprotected sex unless you want kids
>>69491418
Porkchops are an inalienable human right.
No one owns porkchops but you and it does not matter if the pig is alive or not.
Secularists need to stay the hell out of politics.
>>69502829
Not having my life ruined with a child I don't want is more important.
>>69502829
>it's alive however rape is different
How so? You're arguing that this fetus is alive enough to not be aborted by a couple who had sex but made no contract to have a baby yet when a women is raped and has one she can kill it because that sex was unwarranted. People don't always have sex to make babies.
Would banning abortion cause the most SJW rage? I mean if you only have one bullet and one target and need maximum effect, what do you choose?
>>69498310
>the doctor is a stereotypical kike
too much
>>69502705
That's right, fuck off. Nobody gives a fuck about your nonsense. What you're talking about is Sharia-level fascist state control over reproduction.
>>69503220
He's slaughtering the last holy cow that noone dared to touch.
>>69503203
Then dont have sex.
why is this hard to understand?
if you dont want a child do not have sex.
if you want to have sex then prepare to have a child, whatever the chances are.
>>69503203
Fucking this, I'm not going to have a child when I have no means of supporting one wth my girlfriend. Yeah let me give him a shit life while I work and go to school just so someone isn't ass blasted.
And no I'm not going to not fuck because someone thinks fucking is only done when someone wants a kid.
>>69503203
Don't have sex then, you degenerate. Or do you lack any semblance of self-control as well as responsibility?
>>69503152
Sex is not for baby. And an unwanted baby is still unwanted and will be treated as such. Like getting beaten daily and getting treated lime the toxic dirt it is.
>>69503220
You'd violate the biological autonomy of every human on the planet just to win a banter war on Twitter?
>>69503403
im sorry you cant get laid anon but expecting everybody else to ignore readily available technology just so their lives suck as much as yours is not going to work out
They ought not a killed my little brother. He mighta had fun sometime.
I found out my grandmother was trying to have me aborted because my momma got knocked up out of wedlock, and the stigma was pretty bad in the 60's. The only thing that saved me was my aunt convinced my grandmother that an abortion so far into my mother's pregnancy would likely kill my mother.
I guess I'm pro-choice but I'm glad I wasn't aborted. I had fun sometimes.
>>69503446
>Sex is not for baby
thats literally all its for
>>69503519
Yep. :)
>>69503412
If you're not willing to take the risk that is inherent to sex even with birth control, don't have sex. This isn't complicated stuff. Why do degenerates like you lack any semblance of self control?
>>69503519
I'd do it for less than that. Murder is wrong.
>>69491418
No one owns your body, but someone's gotta be the one to jam the black and decker up your ravaged snatch and erase your mistake. Make it cost as much as giving birth does. In the case of a -proven- rape pregnancy, this obviously wouldn't apply, but for all of the teens with daddy issues, it'd be a solid lesson.
>>69503403
>then don't have sex
Why shouldn't I? Because my girlfriend and I want to have sex but do not want a kid right now it is wrong? Sorry I'm not going to have a kid when I can't pay for it or raise it like a real parent should atm. When you get out it the world and realize it takes money to have children and pets you will understand.
>>69503414
Sure just tell couples not to have sex that will totally not end up in violence and rape and traumatized children due to families breaking up. :D
>>69503706
Then you're a statist, congratulations.
>>69503628
because people like that only operate on an emotional level, logic is alien to them
>>69503628
>degenerates like you
Maybe because we can get laid? Is it that bad being a neckband that you rage? Deal with it, literally nothing wrong with getting off and not wanting a kid.
>>69503733
>my girlfriend and I
2 females having sex won't cause pregnancy.
>>69503792
If it's only statists that believe that murder is wrong, fine by me.
>>69503801
I guess it's too much to expect otherwise in this day and age.
>>69503706
I bet you think the way to win against ISIS is making a world of love like Mark Zuckerberg said.
>>69494266
>fetus
>right to life
pick one faggot.
And I bet you wouldn't be saying the same if you were pregnant
>>69503215
>How so? You're arguing that this fetus is alive enough to not be aborted by a couple
Yes, I am arguing it is alive and is another life inside you.
>who had sex but made no contract to have a baby
By having sex you are agreeing to the consequences. One consequence of sex is having a child. Whatever your intentions were this is a consequence you have accepted by partaking in sexual intercourse.
>yet when a women is raped and has one she can kill it because that sex was unwarranted.
When two people voluntarily have sex, no matter what the intentions are, they are agreeing to accept the possibility of getting pregnant with a human being.
If one party cannot voluntarily have sex and they are being forced, then there is no way for them to make the decision whether or not to have sex in the first place and thus whether or not they want to accept the possibile consequences including pregnancy.
>People don't always have sex to make babies.
Yes. But biologically sex is to make children and whatever the reason, you must accept this as a reality. That by engaging in sexual reproduction there is a chance of sexually reproducing.
>>69492327
I must have misssed it is it right after the 8th amendment?
>>69503921
That's why it's a male and a female, not all of us are cucks you Swedish faggot.
>>69491418
Here's a compromise. Abortion in case of rape and incest and if the child is retarded is always allowed. On regular abortions theres a limit (up to 2 or 3 abortions) meaning if a teenage girl gets knocked up because of youthful indescretion her life won't be ruined by it. Or if a woman is in a situation where pregnancy would ruin her life ie poverty. Thoughts on this solution?
>>69504040
>By having sex you are agreeing to the consequences
Consent to sex is not consent to get pregnant
Consent to get pregnant is not consent to carry it through to birth
stop being 12 years old
>>69503711
>proven
What if there's no marks so it can't be proven? Even though rape isn't necessarily violent?
Hurray for letting rapists get away!
>>69503947
>>69503947
Doesn't matter how wrong it is, if you want to give the state control over biological autonomy, you're a fucking statist.
>>69491418
Yeah they are a thing. Human rights that is. That includes babies as well since they're humans. Fetus or not. I myself am half and half on it. I feel in some cases, it is the best choice. But in others, the case can simply be solved by not being such a whore.
>>69503801
yes everyone who gets laid ever is just devoid of logic and operates purely on emotion
you are logically superior to anyone who ever gets laid
good for you
>>69491418
i agree macho man
Agree.
The reality is, people are never going to take responsibility - youth nowadays use abortion as a get out of jail free card. These are the same kids that, if they had kept the baby, would be leeching off taxpayers for the next decade.
The average person is too stupid to either use birth control or wait until they're financially and domestically secure before fucking like rabbits, which is why abortion needs to stay legal (for now).
>>69492327
>>Because abortion is central to our God given liberties
Taking a human life is central to our God given liberties. Denying liberty in the most egregious fashion is a God given liberty. Do you hear yourself?
>>69504073
Putting on a strapon won't make you male no matter how much you delude yourself.
>>69503902
>Is it that bad being a neckband that you rage?
I was wondering how long it would take you to to descend to such petty insults. This always happens when your kind tries to defend your degeneracy.
>>69504166
>Consent to sex is not consent to get pregnant
Uh, yes it is. The sole biological purpose of sex is to get pregnant. Fuck off back to tumblr.
>>69504170
Nigger, just because you point the finger at someone, it doesn't mean they're guilty of what you're accusing them of.
test
test test nigger nigger id test
>>69504352
nigger detected
>>69504023
Most pro-life voters in the United states are women.
>>69503542
I am glad you brought this up.
I have sex with my wife regularly. She is on the pill. Every time we have sex me and her accept the possibility of having another child, even though being on the pill makes that chance something like a 1% possibility.
>>69504300
>Uh, yes it is
Uh, no it's not you potato fucker.
>The sole biological purpose of sex is to get pregnant.
LOL. Who gives a fuck about the biological purpose.
Humans have sex for pleasure/recreation/etc. You might not, but a fuck-ton of people do
>>69503519
>>Calls for biological autonomy by protecting the practice of destroying biological autonomy
>>69491418
>No one owns your body but you
But fetus is not your body
You can only ask him gently to kill himself, but I dare to say he/she won't
>>69504214
you're trying to belittle me for your own emotional catharsis, that only works if i care what you think.
you've said nothing.
>>69504120
Pregnancy is not something that ruins women's life. It's their fucking duty. What really ruins their lives is pushing them into workforce
>>69504040
Then why do you not promote birth control and sabotage it instead? Why do you actively sabotage people's chances of not being pregnant?
>>69504214
>yes everyone who gets laid ever is just devoid of logic and operates purely on emotion
Since the people who have casual sex are driven by emotions to do so, that's not a bit logical leap to make.
>>69504443
Look, you can sit here and defend your degeneracy all you like, but it still won't make you any less of a degenerate.
>>69504300
Is =/= ought. Unless you believe in a Creator, there's no such thing as objective purpose for anything.
>>69493757
I am convinced that the only people that are against abortion are people that have trouble getting laid and crazy religious people
like >>69493888
>>69491418
>>69491418
Having sex for another reason than procreation should be a crime
Thanks, Macho Man.
>>69504495
just driving the point in homie
>>69504479
>can't survive on its own
>autonomous
>>69504563
>hurrr muh degeneracy buzzword
so now that it's confirmed you're 12, fuck off. This site is for 18+ year olds
Please post timestamped proof of age before posting again
>>69504494
Wrong, mother's hatred can induce miscarriages.
>>69491418
Since when is murder legal?
>>69504619
whatever dude
>>69504590
Let's not attack the argument, let's say he can't get laid and call it a day.
Should men who've been convicted of double homicide for killing pregnant women have their sentences reduced to only a single murder?
>>69504524
I promote everyone owning a house and having a large family but I am not going to buy them a home and pay for their family.
I promote everyone going to the doctor regularly but I am not going to pay for their doctor's appointments.
You can promote something without paying for it.
I support birth control but it is not my job to pay for it.
Why is it that I can afford my own birth control but it seems everyone else in incapable of paying for their own?
>>69504665
No sane person would hate their own baby.
Also, source for your claim would be greatly apreciated
>>69504685
When it's done in self-defense.
>>69504590
Obviously people shouldn't object to murder. Obviously.
https://youtu.be/Rs1aAzFA4IU?t=41m40s
>>69504782
Wasn't his life to take. The mother has the right to stop providing for it, that doesn't mean it's not a life that anyone can take.
>>69504782
If advocates for baby killing had any moral consistency or intellectual honesty then yes, but it's kind of hard for someone without morals to have those traits.
>>69504731
What's wrong with early term abortion? It's not like youre killing someone that can even have a single thought yet? Are you stupid or something? It's better than the kid growing up with a crack addicted abusive whore for a mother
>>69504838
>No sane person would hate their own baby
This is something people who have never had a kid will never understand. You cannot explain instincts or the desire for children to someone whom has never known this desire.
Even if you conceived your kid accidently, unless you are seriously fucked in the head or had some sort of traumatic circumstance there is a strong desire to keep and raise it.
>>69504183
Daily reminder that fetus =/= baby
>>69505076
Why dont you give it up for adoption? In most first world countries there are tons of women who cannot get pregnant and are sterile who want children.
>>69504802
>I support birth control but it is not my job to pay for it.
Well you have one of two choices.
1) Pay for birth control (great option, much cheaper)
2) Pay for thousands of thousands of niglets/etc and the crime/etc that goes along with it (terrible option, very expensive)
Literally your only two options.
If you don't want to choose either, fuck off and start your own country
>>69505176
>muh semantics
>>69503203
Then take the morning after pill you utter imbecile
Incidentally the best argument for abortion is the intelligence of pro abortion persons
>>69504922
But a common argument by Pro Choice folks is that fetuses aren't life, but just a clump of cells, like hair or fingernails. Would you charge someone for murder for cutting a woman's hair?
>>69505107
I never had a kid and I understand that, every sane human understands that, even animals understands that, all life down to celullar organisms understands that, ever heard of abortions in animal kingdom? Neither did I.
when you are a part of society, you give up some rights/abilities to enjoy the benefits of society/law. When in society, there is no limit except what the law imposes, on making laws. So this bs about muh autonomy is shit. If there is a law that says otherwise, you deal with it or change it or leave.
>>69505107
But that's BS. Plenty of women have had abortions and not regretted it while others have regretted having children they did not want.
>>69505176
fetus -> baby though. is killing a child different to killing an adult?
>>69491418
I don't care just do not tax me to pay for it.
Women, including single mothers, need entitlements that allow their degeneracy to flourish to end.
Let the dirty coal burners starve in a ditch.
Suddenly women think about their actions and men become respected again.
>>69505270
Why do both of my options include paying for other people's problems?
Why cant they pay for their own?
>>69505447
>change it
That's exactly what women did.
>>69505343
this metaphor would work, if hair grew into a human being.
>>69505076
Yeah let me ask everyone who grew up in a bad home if they rather not have been born and see how many say they rather have been aborted, either way you still need consent to euthanize people who are living where that practice is legal, a child isn't capable of that kind of choice so you err on the side of not murdering babies
>>69491418
i will never understand why liberals support abortion
i support it because i think it keeps the wildlife population down, but they seem to support it on moral grounds.
>>69491418
No one owns the fetus's body except the fetus. It has the inalienable right to life that cannot be taken away from it by the mother.
>>69505740
Muh women have the right to no consequences
When the muslims take over in Europe and the catholics do so here, there is going to be some serious butthurt
>>69505976
But it doesn't have the right to invade the mother's body. The mother has an an inalienable right to body autonomy that cannot be taken away by the fetus.
>>69492798
>t. Jonathan Swift
Now this is satire
>>69506375
Who has granted this inalienable right?
>>69505740
>i support it because i think it keeps the wildlife population down, but they seem to support it on moral grounds
Only crazy femicunts think of it like "YAY! EMPOWERMENT!"
Everyone else (at least, in my extremely blue town) is like "well....better in a hospital with a scalpel than spread-eagle on the couch with a fucking bicycle spoke."
>>69505329
The morning after pill is abortion since it kills the fertilized egg. :D
>>69506426
Kek
I thought the same thing
If i were the emperor of planet earth, I would sterilize 3/4 of the world population, abort half of the fetuses inside women currently pregnant and create a law to decide the people that is allowed to procrate and the ones who don't.
I just wish this planet's population was massively reduced, so I hope more and more people would abort or become sterile, especially the mudslimes.
inb4 2edgy
>>69506476
Who has granted any inalienable right to the fetus?
>>69506576
Almost no one is arguing against that though
>>69506727
Who has granted any to you? When the concept inalienable rights was thought up, abortion would not have been allowed
>>69503019
You're a damage to this board in all aspects. It's a shame your mother didn't abort you.
>>69506727
You first, babykiller ;^)
>>69505375
Animals eat their young and let a stronger male kill their young and abandon their young to die after birth. Shall we do that too?
>>69505343
Those folks are wrong. The mother has the right to not have her biological autonomy violated by the state, that's it. It's not that the fetus has no rights, it's just that the mother can't be forced to keep it alive.
ITT: The Wages of Scientism / Utilitarianism
There is always islam, guys
>>69506739
Don't suggest abortion if you're against abortion is all.
>>69506859
Who has granted any to the fetus? I decide my life is more important than his.
>>69504802
>I want to live in a society that has nice things, one without streets full up unwanted children roaming around like fucking Calcutta, but I shouldn't have to pay for them.
>>69491418
Without abortion the US census office estimates the Negro population would be between 100-125 million today
Thank fucking god for Margret Sanger and Planned Parenthood, I just donated $500 today
I believe the Congress should make sure that abortions are free for all minorities and 24/7 abortion clinics should be located in every minority neighborhood in the US
If this policy were adopted within 25-35 years we could see the end the Negro in the US
Martin Luther King said it best:
...We will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
I Have a Dream
Abortion prohibition will work just like gun prohibition, drug prohibition, alcohol prohibition, etc.
>>69507646
murder prohibition will work just like gun prohibition, drug prohibition, alcohol prohibition, etc.
>>69507299
Even though turns out just the fertilized egg is not enough to be considered pregnancy
http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/ecabt.html
>Emergency contraceptive pills work before pregnancy begins. According to leading medical authorities – such as the National Institutes of Health and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists – pregnancy begins when the fertilized egg implants in the lining of a woman's uterus. Implantation begins five to seven days after sperm fertilizes the egg, and the process is completed several days later. Emergency contraception will not work if a woman is already pregnant.
Makes sense since an egg that can't implement cannot develop into anything.
>>69507958
Yeah people still commit murder fine.
>>69506739
That's because you are all ignorant. >>69508029
>>69507299
You're right, abortion is abortion, let's kill fetuses in the ninth month.
Pull out some better tricks, yours are too obvious
>>69491418
It's not about anyone's freedom. It's about choices, actions, and their consequences.
Ultimately the problem doesn't lie in abortion itself, but the fact that you need it in the first place.
It's like needing stitches after being an idiot and trying to jump over a jagged fence. You decided to do something stupid and reckless, now you have to bear with the consequences of your stupid actions. Of course, we are clever creatures, so we make sure we have a safety net in the form of health service that will prevent you from bleeding out afterwards, or dying from infections. But the stitches the doctors will have to put into you are nothing more than the immediate consequence of your own decisions for which you can only blame yourself.
To top it off sex is not necessary to sustain your life, unlike food, heat, air and water. You won't die or even fall ill from not having sex.
Unless you wish to argue you're nothing more than a savage animal who only functions on the level of base instincts. In which case go to EU where other mahmuds and their rapes of children due to "sexual emergencies" happen.
Ultimately having sex without contraception, which by the way is so common and easy to get compared to how it was in the past it's ridiculous, is your own conscious choice the results of which you should be aware.
Now of course if you got raped, or if carrying to term could mean your death then I'll allow abortion just fine.
But for socio-economic reasons or just on a whim? No. You made your bed. Now sleep in it. If you make a small mistake once and drink before driving and end up killing a pedestrian you will fuck up your whole life by that one silly mistake. That's how things go. Why should recklessly getting pregnant be any different?
>>69508357
This doesn't mean the state can violate a woman's biological autonomy, anon.
>>69508284
That's my point, you imbecile
Make the strawman bigger, you may even be able to hit it
>>69508029
The lining of the uterus is part of the woman's body, and if she wants to render it inhospitable to an unwanted egg, it's her right to. The egg has no claim over the woman's uterus.
>>69508521
>steal
>put in prison
>biological autonomy is violated
>>69491418
If your mum aborted you, whilst you were still a fetus, we wouldn't have to put up with your opinion on abortion rights.
>>69508541
You point is that you want to force women to be pregnant against their will, don't try to deny it.
>>69508620
Restricting your movement does not violate your biological autonomy, anon.
>>69508566
You are still responsible for the effects
You're restating the same tired shit over and over
Stop wasting my time and just admit your position comes down to this
>if it's inside my body, no law can regulate it because muh feels say so
>>69508888
Why is theft illegal? Fucking society, making me go to jail against my will
>>69508620
>>69508620
The baby is the criminal though for forcing the mother to pain and duress
It should be punished for it
>>69491418
I am fully pro-choice for niggers. In fact I encourage abortion on demand for niggresses.
>>69508957
It literally does, anon
In fact 100% of my biology is potentially under state control
>>69509099
Shit b8
>>69508993
Yes my body is my own. The fetus can live somewhere else. Oh it can't? Tough shit, that doesn't give it the right to violate my body or make a claim over my own body parts that belong exclusively to me.
>>69508521
There is no such thing as biological autonomy, anon.
You have the right to use reasonable means to protect your physical integrity.
But there is no such thing as biological autonomy.
You're not allowed to change your brain's chemical processes with drugs.
You're not allowed to drive after using your "biological autonomy" to have both your legs amputated.
And if you cut open your veins because that's how you want it, because "autonomy" they will still take you to the hospital and patch you up. Then they might send you to a psych ward where they will keep you from doing that to yourself again.
Also, don't talk about physical autonomy when another potential human being is involved.
>>69509089
Theft is illegal because objects are property
A woman's body is no one's property except the woman's.
>>69491418
you're trapped on a deserted island and you want an abortion (obviously you got pregnant prior). there's no one else on there, just you. do you still have a 'right' to an abortion?
>>69509587
>this is what an extremist religious Christian looks like, politically.
You're no better than a Sharia shitskin.
>>69509587
I will talk about biological autonomy when my life and the quality of my life are at risk. They are more important than any potential life. All the shit you listed is done in order not to harm yourself, and since an unwanted child harms you that's even more reason to have it aborted.
>>69509723
You can just toss the baby to the sharks in your scenario.
>>69491418
>my enemies shouldn't be allowed to have a say in anything
