I grew up in a regular family with normal rules and relative autority (I got whacked once or twice when I did really stupid thing) except for one thing: internet. My dad is a tech enthousiast and pretty much gave me unlimited and unsupervised access to the net when it came around.
Result ? At age 13 I was fapping to cheese pizza and now I'm 29, I'm still here.
But now my dad made another bunch of kids and I seriously worry. It's even worse since they all got tablets since age 4 and quickly learnt how to use it. I especially worry about my cute 9 years old sister who's apparently fine, well spoken and very prude but, when not under watch, display a knowledge clearly not appropriate for a little girl her age (I recall hearing her explaining to her younger sister than "sexy" means a girl you wanna lick her pussy, she was 8 when she said that).
While it may be hypocritical since I had internet all my childhood, I would clearly BAN internet in all its forms for children younger than 15 except for schoolwork and only with the presence of an adult.
What do you think ?
>>69484477
Probably not provided they aren't retarded and/or psychopaths
yeah i think it fucked me up too.
i had a computer in my room at the age of 9.
the shit i would look up...........
>>69484477
They should be free to use it, but you should know what they see and search. It can´t be a extreme ban because internet can be really useful.
Fuck no. If I could, I would implant the Internet in their brain.
>>69484477
Just curious but why is it the children that are considered the problem here? Isn't it a parent's responsibility to raise them right within reality and everything it entails?
Banning kids from things only makes them more prone to do them.
>>69485060
>but you should know what they see and search
How would you do that ?
>>69484477
Usage should be monitored so that parents can give context to the material their kids see (not so they can explode at them for expressing curiosity about improper things)
You may have gotten fucked up because no one was there to give you some relevant guidance for what you were absorbing
>>69485241
>raise them right
By preventing them to see stuff they shouldn't see. You can be the BEST parent in the world, good luck explaining CP to your 9-year old child without huge trauma.
>>69484477
Burn the Television it's 99999999999999 times more harmful just get a filter
>>69484477
I am grateful that the internet prole cage never effected me until my 20's. The idea of child internet access is jewish as fuck
>>69485363
>You may have gotten fucked up because no one was there to give you some relevant guidance
I was extremely logical. Being a teen I was a lot aroused by adult women kinda look to old/gross for me so cheese pizza was the logical way to go !
>>69484477
my parents used to love telling all these stories about how they would be outside til dark everyday with no supervision, but they in turn were very cautious about letting me do the same "because times are different now"
will we do this type of hypocritical thing with the internet and piss off our kids for doing it? what a cycle it would be. i would definitely be more strict about internet usage than my folks were with me - there are some things 11 year olds should not be looking up
I had access to the internet since i was 7, even got into fights with my siblings at the time because we only had 1 pc.
I didn't even start looking for porn until i was like 10, and started watching the fucked up shit when i was around 13.
What i can say is that having social network accounts at that age is bad and when i look back i wrote lots of cringey shit like a typical rat boy.
I think that leaving the pc in a public place and letting the kid only use it to play online games and shit would do.
>>69485367
Or, guide them toward understanding who the people behind it are, and why they're foul, subhuman filth, maybe?
You act like preventing them from seeing something will prevent them from ever being exposed to it, which is flawed reasoning.
>>69485241
This. Why keep children hidden from the realities of life? They're going to find them eventually and you may as well be there to explain what is potentially bad and dangerous.
My kids are going to have access to the internet but I'm going to limit it time-wise to avoid screen addiction. I'm not going to stop them from looking anything up but I'd probably monitor them to make sure they don't become stupid.
>>69485246
I recall my school had some special software that somehow detected when you were looking at porn
One time I was caught (even though there was a warning given every time you log on that you're being monitored; I never read it) playing a vaguely softcore game on a site that generally hosted SFW games
>>69485547
>Or, guide them toward understanding who the people behind it are, and why they're foul, subhuman filth, maybe?
This is possible when you're discusssing the idea of paedophilia with your kids as an absolute, it's actually easy to convince them it's extremely bad.
It's a whole other matter when your kid just saw another kid with a huge dick up her ass.
>>69484477
Used to use the internet alot when I was a kid.
I think it was beneficial for me because I learned alot that my parents didn't teach me
>>69485714
Kids quickly learn how to desactivate those
Only allow it when you're there with them watching their every move.
Ideally though if possible you would raise your child Amish style. Realistically that's not that possible and they'll go crazy when let out
probably yes on a ban of internet and computergames that are too repetetive/no thinking needed/addicting
maybe give them wikipedia and find a site of w/e they are interested in that you see as benefitial.
The main thing is dont allow any personal devices and not in their own room.
>>69484477
I simply won't buy them shit. I already plan on not having a TV. As for a computer, it's likely that I'll be using it all day anyway; I can use page blockers.
If they want something they'll work for it and become addicted to the power of money.
>>69484477
How bad would monitoring what sites they visit be? Too much invasion of privacy, or not?
>>69485825
Well yes and I'm not advocating brainwashing them by exposing them to everything either, but the first steps to take are to prepare them mentally for how fucked up reality can actually be. Sheltering or censoring them only makes things worse in any situation, and prevents them from wanting to talk about it because they feel guilty for breaking the rules. They're people, treat them like people.
Would definitely aim to keep them from porn up to a certain age.
>>69487032
You can teach them out fucked up the reality is AND ban the internet.
>itt: /pol/teaches us how to coddle our children until they're innocent little pussies who don't even have a basic understanding of how the real world works
Give them some freedom to make mistakes and learn how to think on their own. Your job is to teach them to take care of themselves and physically protect them, not to investigate or block every piece of information that they are exposed to
>Let them use the computer, but ensure I have the ability to monitor it remotely like on workplace and school computers
>If I catch them doing something undesirable, have a screamer flash across the screen featuring my own face
Dito
No internet for the kids.
And no TV.
This shit is pure poison.
>>69487129
But why would you? It's the best tool you can have for teaching them about anything. And they're growing up in a world where the internet IS part of life.
>>69484477
just limit them to 1 hour a day and use parental controls
>>69486980
>Too much invasion of privacy, or not?
Not at all, they're your kids. Hell, you're their privacy.
They only really need it when they start talking to girls and shit, and even then you need to have tight control of who talks to them. My mother was very suspicious of new friends who took me out to places without having visited our house.
>>69484925
Autist alert. Also why have comp in your room? Literally who?
>>69487318
So you're gonna show your kids CP. Great.
>>69485367
Or just put the computer in a space where they aren't retarded enough to look shit up. the morons on the site...
>>69487163
Anon, my parents were very strict and I still got fucked up. These are all preventive measures to reduce contact with degeneracy; our generation knows very well how easy it is to bypass parents.
>>69487453
Lol...you missed the entire point, and you clearly missed where i said i wasn't going to do that earlier. K den.
>be me 11
first discover SKINemax and decided to be adventurous through yahoo search engines etc.
>be me 13
my dad tells my brother not to look up "pictures of Pamela Anderson huehue" and put viruses on the computer. i understood the reference but realized at the moment my tech-literate father knew all about the smut on the internet
>be 23 now
fap almost exclusively to fetish porn and a lot of piss. i mean i really like piss
yeah i would probably have some form of rules for the internet usage in my household but wouldn't be the least surprised when my children got around said rules
>>69487276
Have fun raising socially stunted autists then.
>>69484477
Just because you're a degenerate doesn't mean other people are.
>>69487416
my parents thought it would be good for learning.
this was in the 90's and they didnt understand much about them. my dad went out and bought 3 shitty pc's 1 for them, 1 for me and 1 for my sister.
I turned out great so why not.
If you try to redpill your child directly they'll just revolt and pretend to be a faggot to piss you off.
It's better just to fuck with the google preferences so they end up on /pol/ when they press the letter P
You have to make sure he has a white girlfriend before you send him here though or he'll end up a tranny loving faggot or an asian fetishist
>>69487638
It literally takes one "degenerate" 9 year old at school to make the whole class run home and google the shit he talks about in school.
>>69487568
Kids don't become degenerates by seeing degenerate things on the internet. Especially if there's an adult to explain why it's degenerate. If you make it s big deal, however, and they're scared of you finding out about their completely natural curiosity, they will do whatever feels good and there won't be any adults around to correct the behavior
>>69488116
Then they have degenerate parents/genes. I was taught *MORALITY*.
>>69487633
Who cares? For most of human history it wasn't important to be social whores like people are today.
>>69488367
> horny kids giving a fuck about morality
>>69488515
kek this
>>69488212
Kids can easily become addicted to games, I've seen it. Even if they do a lot of homework, they can fall easily into that.
Information itself doesn't even bother me that much; TV and shitty flash games are the true cancer.
I'm thinking of having huge libraries of content of all kinds. From easy shit to complicated RPGs. Of course, I already plan to have lots of books around as well.
>>69488603
I can see limiting time on TV/video games. Those are mostly just mindless time wasters.
>>69488515
>>69488576
I'll repeat the first post to the snail - just because you're degenerate doesn't mean everyone else is.
Drown in hedonism.
>>69484477
No, of course not. But I'd have to make sure they start learning discipline and other skills so they won't spend too much time on it. It's good to play somewhat an active role in your kids' upbringing. Not just that they know you care about them, but that they know you are the best person to come to for advice and self-improvement. It's tough sometimes to get kids to want to grow up, but some of them get it after explaining.
Would make go outside. Just like I got done. Go ride your bike till your 16.
>>69488775
TV as a whole is going to be absent at home. Kids really don't need news, and the rest is irrelevant. I do think movies can bring you good messages, and they require active participation so those are accepted. And some games are great: Age of Empires saved me in World History.
>>69484477
No
Kids are like sponges and the more access to information the better
You just have to help and guide them rather than what most parents do and leave them to their own devices
If the internet corrupts your kid if was because you corrupted them first
My parents only let me use the internet while supervised for a couple of hours a week till I was 13-14 and I still ended up here.
The fact is society as a whole is fucked. It doesn't matter if you try to protect your child at home, because they will find this shit out at school or wherever else they meet other children their age.
I would do something like step by step education, there has to be a middle ground between no internet and unlimited access.
>>69489601
Why?
>>69484477
>While it may be hypocritical since I had internet all my childhood, I would clearly BAN internet in all its forms for children younger than 15 except for schoolwork and only with the presence of an adult.
>What do you think ?
Not only will I ban kids from the internet I will not let them take social media pics.
Can you imagine your kid being Mara? Pedophiles chasing her from toddlerhood to adulthood all across the internet. Fan pages just dedicated to stalking her.
>>69484477
>While it may be hypocritical since I had internet all my childhood, I would clearly BAN internet in all its forms for children younger than 15 except for schoolwork and only with the presence of an adult.
>What do you think ?
Duh, of course.
Entertainment is for adults.
Go do drugs or get a job instead.
Gotta make sure they know how to work when they're young, a job in a local restaurant at 13+ would be a good thing.
>>69485246
Wireshark
No. My parents let me watch fucking South Park as a young kid. It didn't fuck me up. I knew plenty of kids who grew up in censored households where they could only watch wholesome Christian shit and those people are the most fucked up that I know. Those types get to college and are overwhelmed by the drugs and sex and shit. They just jump right in and let it overtake them completely.
Because of the internet I was able to see how destructive that lifestyle can be. I didn't have a mistaken belief that I was "missing out" on something
>>69489661
>Mara?
>>69485367
How the fuck do you think an 8 year old is going to find cp?
Just because you've lurked on this site for decades and can on demand find cp doesn't mean normal people can.
>>69489916
>How the fuck do you think an 8 year old is going to find cp?
youtube
>>69489890
Yes. How new are you?
>>69484477
I have a similar experience as you and i am thinking the same thing. Seeing beheading videos before i was even a teen probably fucked me up a bit, not the mention the porn.
>It's even worse since they all got tablets since age 4 and quickly learnt how to use it.
Sitting like this and having wifi radiation radiate into your still developing reproductive organs several hours a day can't be good for you.
But it will probably be hard to keep a lid on it. They will go to their friend, play with one and then come home and pressure you about it. Joining some kind of strict religious community where your kids only hang around with similar kids might be the only way.
>>69490003
Sorry I don't follow fads on little girls
>>69484477
Ban the TV 100% and probably 95% of the internet.
>>69489916
do you have your head in the sand, anon? or do you just not understand how the internet works?
Just leave the god damn computer in a high traffic area, and check their history. Kids are too stupid to completely erase everything
>>69489655
I wouldn't mind if someone called my kid a faggot in Call of Duty but I wouldn't want him to browse /d/ and share his findings in class later.
>>69484477
Sure, but I'd also set up monitoring software like Wireshark to see what they're up to. So long as they aren't arranging to meet up with random people, I'd be mostly okay with whatever they choose to look at, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. Exploration and discovery are important when creating intrepid minds.
>>69490512
Are your genes so shit and/or your moral instruction as a parent so weak that you can't instill in your child the want to make their own browsing habits wholesome? I censored myself when I was twelve, and I've continued doing it my entire life - and it was because of good moral instruction.
>>69490739
>4chan
>wholesome browsing habits
>>69490739
>and it was because of good moral instruction.
So you where home schooled?
>>69490739
>I censored myself when I was twelve
what does that even mean?
>>69484477
Just because you're a weirdo that cant control himself doesnt mean others are
>>69491053
I went to public school. My parents just actually had a sense of responsibility and obligation to instruct their own children.
>>69490933
SFW boards are great senpai.
>>69484477
leave the only computer they can use in a common area where the monitor is clearly visible to anyone else in the common area
>>69490933
No one here should be under 18. Then again, I was browsing rotten.com when I was 12.
It all depends on the child's behavior following the interaction.
>>69491181
I see something unwholesome and I look away/change the page. *MORALITY*.
>>69491352
that's not what morality is though
it's just some weird form of self-hypnotization to not see *bad stuff.
pro tip: just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there
>>69491636
It being there =/= indulging in it like a hedonistic degenerate.
You're missing the meme entirely by the way. *MORALITY* =/= morality.
>>69491776
>You're missing the meme entirely by the way
no you are just making shit up as you go along but thanks for the novel explanation of "morality"
bye now
>>69484477
No way. Banning shit never works.
Teach personal responsibility, cause-effect relationships, and future planning, and train your children to have an involuntary disdain for morons/assholes.
>>69491181
>>I censored myself when I was twelve
>what does that even mean?
>>69491948
>being literally this new
JA NE~
>>69492095
pro tip: you can still do it by humping the bed
>>69492180
how new do you think? hazard a guess so that i may laugh at you. or myself. i don't know, fuck this place. fuck anime shitposters
>>69484477
I wouldn't
but I would put guidelines on its use.
they will prob find away around it anyways.
>>69492318
Since you don't know fucking Hitchens you can't have been here for more than a fucking year.
Why are you still here though?
>bye now
JA NE~
>>69484477
Up until a certain age, abso-fucking-lutely. I was looking up early hentai on newgrounds at 11 years old in public libraries. I'd honestly say around 13-14 and preferably in a public part of the house. But I'm damned sure not gonna give it to them when they're prepubescent. That's the time for things like legos, sports, playing outside, kinex, lincoln logs, tonka trucks etc.
>>69492541
okay well nice litmus test to see if i have been here a long time dependent on how much anime you shitpost.
my first post on /pol/ was whenever they still had nazi flags like '10-'12? and my first post on any chan board was between '08-'09.
be careful who you call a newfag because you are probably one yourself FYI
>>69492931
>my first post on /pol/
>2010
>/pol/
>>69484477
Keep fucking phones from them too, maybe that way they'll at least watch where they're going when walking down the street.
>>69493113
>'10-'12
>being an insufferable faggot
>(YOU)
>(YOU)
If I ever have kids, I intend to use something like OpenDNS that automatically blocks porn sites and such.
Maybe something a little harder, I'm not sure.
When they're old enough to figure out how to bypass it, they're old enough for whatever's out there.
>>69493113
>>69493261
i just not realizing that i am being baited by a animeposting tripfag on /pol/
jesus i really need more hobbies or something
>>69484477
What sucks is that you see two year olds using devices now as entertainment so they stop crying at a restaurant cause the parent streams Elmo or whatever. I think its impossible at this point. I remember the days I learned you could delete your history, and then I started going on websites like boobs.com, and that was at like age 10. I wouldn't want it on my kids. But its the world we live in.
>>69493261
>thinks everyone sucks as much dick as him and literally can't help themselves with confronted with cock only because that's how he is
>doesn't recognize fucking Hitchens, doesn't know what /new/ is, gets mad and replies to bait
>literally
Would you build your own log cabin, live off the grid and raise your kids innawoods to hate the outside world?
If the answer is no, there's no fucking point keeping your kids from the internet. Just have them and let them grow up to be retards like everyone else does or don't.
>>69484477
Can confirm Internet is degenerate for kids. 10 year old brother watches shitty pewdiepie and anime. He is a bit fucked in the head.
>>69493659
you are literally a tripfag. the lowest of all lows. opinions discarded because they weren't even opinions to begin with.
all you are is shit
all you will ever be is shit
>>69493783
>literally
Oh this is comedy gold. If you liked cute anime girls so much you could just say so famerino.
>>69493659
>>69493887
Put your katana away tripfag. It's time to go back.
>>69489816
He ain't going to know how to use wireshark and read blurbs you fucktard.
He should purchase some random keylogger and keep an eye on them.
>>69493887
i had unrestricted and unsupervised internet access at the age of 11.
there's no way in hell i'd ever let a child have the same. 'cause i know how bad kids are. i was that kid.
i'd block every single website, except for a key few. they can have neopets.
>>69494013
>>69494167
You gonna ban your children from using the internet because they have such shit genes inherited from you that all they end up doing is looking up porn, bongy-bong?
Abort them. No kid, no worries
>>69494339
you seem to think that your shit-level rhetoric is the only reason someone needs to call you out on your bullshit kek
What worries me is that they will try to look up kids their own agwhich would get the police on my ass thinking it was me
>>69494483
Boy in love with cocks replies to receive anime girls, without fail.
Post on, homogay! Post on!
>>69494614
is this you projecting what you have done to your parents/guardian?
hmmmm
They can do whatever they want. I learned a lot of shit on the internet growing up so can they. My only demand is that they play games like SupCom.
>>69484477
Of course i won't. Internet is just a catalyst for bad bringing-up. /Pol/ack will raise a retarded child, no matter has he internet or not.
>>69494733
No, but we both know its a very real fear
Just getting accused of it is career ending
>>69494339
>>69494660
Have you been smoking the herbal jew? I just think the effects of anime and other stupid shit on an underdeveloped mind is dangerous. Could end up making kids psycho autists.
>>69484477
fill your little sister and her friends with brocock imo
doing anything else is futile
>>69494940
You don't like staying on topic either, do you bong? That's fine though. F i n e ~
>>69484477
I'd let my kids do what they want on the internet, but a few caveats:
-I'd sit them down and have a VERY frank discussion about the internet and the risks involved. This will include a decorum discussion when it comes to online forums, and the dangers of getting caught in an echo chamber. I will also explain to them that nobody, NOBODY, wants to hear about their fetish, and that fetishes aren't sexual orientations and shouldn't be treated as such, and that this is why furries and their ilk are universally loathed.
-They aren't allowed to do anything illegal, even questionably legal, and they are not allowed to access any website that requires money or a credit card unless I know the website and have personally vetted it.
>>69494940
Haven't you think that anime is a fucking cartoon? Weren't you watching cartoons when you were at school?
>>69484477
Should use parents lock filters everywhere until certain age, but locking them from internet completely isn't an option, sine it's essential for their future.
>>69495160
>-They aren't allowed to do anything illegal, even questionably legal, and they are not allowed to access any website that requires money or a credit card unless I know the website and have personally vetted it.
so basically all of them? the internet jew is cunning you know you can pay for 4chan pass now right?
>>69484477
i would definitely not allow unrestricted internet access for children. i was given unsupervised access when i was 15. i started with watching greenday videos which i wasnt allowed to, and ended up on on porn websites watching some seriously hardcore fucked up shit. while i think it hardened me and made me less sensitive and more aware to the fucked up shit out there, i think it could seriously mess up children and guide them in the wrong direction
>>69490097
yeah I think a strict religious community is the way to go desu
>>69495062
I have kept on topic. Autism.
>>69495173
Yeah but the Japanese stuff is fucked up. I caught him watching people getting ripped apart and eaten. Normal cartoons aren't like that.
>>69495160
> "dad i want to register a fb account, all my classmates have them"
> ...
> "let me tell you about the furries"
actually, not that bad, but only if your child has some brains in his head
>>69495359
kids get around that shit so easily it's ridiculous. there's literally no way to get in between girls and their desperate need to camwhore.
Give them freedom but keep an eye on them, I've had unrestricted access since I was about 8 and I've made a lot of dumb decisions and shit that I regret, met a lot of people, shared info and stuff, wish I hadn't, but I guess that's part of growing up, doing stupid shit and learning what to defend your future kids from.
>>69495532
What's wrong with that?
While he doesn't piss his bed after this, it's okay.
>>69495532
Anime =/= internet. "Stupid shit" is hardly what I'd call unambiguous terminology.
>>69493221
sometimes i wish i were that stupid so i didnt feel like i was surrounded by retards my entire life
>>69495658
That's else because parents/software developers are being stupid, or because kids are smart enough. Also, leaving parenting to TV/internet is a parents fault.
Huh, I feel like I've missed out on things. I mostly jacked off to softcore stuff until my late teens. Think my worst sin was ladyboys and crossdressers in early 20s, then I just grew bored of porn and haven't touched things. Never touched social media or anything, unless you count applications like xfire and gaming profiles on sites like clanbase and ESL.
Make your kids wanna become pro gamers. They don't wanna do the other nasty shit.
>>69495744
m8 come on he's 10, kids shouldn't be watching that.
>>69495750
By stupid shit I meant crappy fake youtubers. Also not saying ban da internet, just saying that they shouldn't have free access.
>>69496398
If you're going to personally monitor all of your child's internet time, I'm not actually against that. But if you just shout empty "they shouldn't be able to x" without having any idea of what you'd do to stop x, whatever it is, then you're not really saying anything at all. And if you *do* have in mind how you'd stop x, say what it is. If you're like most people, your plan will be either ineffective, counter-productive, or otherwise nonsensical.
>>69496398
Kids have different intelligence abilities at 10. Some of them can really enjoy the plot of the anime and blood would just add some drama, some are retards and watch it just to observe dismembered people. And, of course, if your child is a part of the last category, it's you to blame for your shitty upbringing, not the anime or internet.
>>69496858
Parental controls as a basic block. Then unless you're tech savy (I'm not) I imagine you could rely on the ISP to tell you what sites they have been visiting or use a key logger perhaps.
>>69497654
Unless your child is a retard, they can subvert parental blocks in short order. Maybe you rely on your shit genes conferring shit intelligence to your child, but at least in my case I worked around blocks on video game sites as a 12 year old - if I'd had internet I don't doubt I would have been doing it younger, since it's incredibly easy.
>>69484477
Yep. My kids won't be allowed to use the internet or watch TV until at least they are teenagers. I will get them into sports and outdoor activities. I'll pay them and teach them to work at an early age. They will also be home schooled by my wife and they will be raised with Christian values.
>>69496175
the problem is that you need enterprise-level tech to deny access and transmission at the perimeter. basically a layer 7 firewall to block shit you don't want them to see (and because https is a thing that exists, you'll need a checkpoint or palo alto device), and an outbound firewall to keep them from broadcasting their own shit on sites like younow. trying to do all of that on the endpoint is useless, because once you have physical access to a system, it's too easy to compromise, and the little bastards always find a way.
>>69497887
>ignoring the part where I ask the ISP what webstes they have been on
>Ignoring the part about the key logger
If I find they have been getting around block, he gets punished. Also he is my brother not my son and I am not as retarded as him. Although I must be slightly autistic or I wouldnt be here talking to you.
>>69498361
You can look at their history. That's not going to change the fact that if they have any internet access they can go where they please.
But let's say they avoid places you don't like - are you going to limit their access even if they're not going to sites you dislike?
Wow OP, geez you were fapping to an age group close to yours that is normal to find attractive at that age?
You sure are one bad seed.
>>69484477
That's the problem, I keep getting older and the girls i like keep gettin younger
>>69498795
>oh wow why would you be against degeneracy?
>why can't you just accept degeneracy, so I can be a degenerate without people shaming me constantly
ftfy famerino
>>69498777
check'd
I just think that internet for kids under 12 should be mainly for learning. For fun and socialising they should be encouraged to go outside and see real kids.
>>69484477
nope but I wouldn't give them phones/tablets, only a desktop PC with traffic filtered at the router/and most ports blocked on the firewall so they couldn't work their way around it; I'd detect a VPN or a cloud VM in a matter of days, based on traffic analysis
this would be supplemented by strict upbringing and making sure family never runs out of interesting shit to do or see
>>69498961
I'm not saying it's a good thing, CP is bad no matter what, but I think it's a bit less degenerate when you're 13 other than let's say 30.
>>69499278
Depends on the kid. Many kids don't enjoy company with peers, and prefer being with adults, while others enjoy less personal socializing that the internet provides. Trying to think of child rearing as a one-size-fits-all thing is bad, and when questions like the one this thread is centered around are proposed you see just how many people nevertheless want to engage in that kind of parenting.
>>69484477
> Internet control
You just don't understand kids today. You cannot control access. They will find a way around it. I have a 13 year old and it's a fucking nightmare. In the good old days you'd go on a computer and search for shit. These days its a different animal. Instagram, Facebook, snapchat, whatsapp etc etc are the true enemy in that respect. Kids swap shit between themselves at school over bluetooth or stand outside McDonald's and access free wifi.
Unless you remove every device from every child your child will see shit. You can't stop it. The only hope you have is your child is well adjusted and trusts you so they will talk to you about what they're seeing.
Its fucking difficult.
>>69499329
We're wont to treat things that way, but I don't think that's actually the case. A 13 year old murdering someone isn't fundamentally different than a 30 year old murdering someone - the same with any other action. We can treat them as more or less understandable and have preferences in how we handle the problem after the fact, but the act itself is the same.
>>69499278
Mate, its the other kids outside the home that will show your child shit on their devices. Unless you put them in a box until they're 30 you won't stop them seeing unsavoury material.
While I'll probably get banned for this, i never post anymore so i don't really care, and it's relevant + I've been wanting to tell this for some time now.
Currently, i am 17, and i started browsing 4chan at a relatively early age. I can't give you the exact year because honestly i do not remember, but i was no older than 9 I'm pretty sure.
A heard about this place from some person on an online video game. I typed slow, but my sentences were complete so i guess i appeared older than i was (or this person just didn't care), If only they knew how they would impact my life. I was raised, essentially, by a single mother. I knew my father, however he was always working and sense he worked in the city, he would only come home once a week, and never really talked to him. You can imagine the effect this would have a young man (you fuckers meme about it), and honestly, if i never found this bastion of raw conversation between men, i would be the most liberal mindless drone in a 500 mile radius. Thankfully, 4chan made a, well, better than nothing replacement for a father figure, and i had a somewhat complex view on the world by the age of 11. Being exposed to gore, all types of porn, beheadings, a ton of unfiltered angry men on the internet and the such may not seem like something you should expose a young child to (and probably isn't), i can genuinely say that it bettered me and I'm glad i found it. I have a real conviction that ignorance is bliss, and more importantly a bliss that stops, or at least hinders intelligent thought, that should be dispelled at a relatively young age. Now, while 9 may be to young, i believe you should reveal the truths of the world to your offspring at no older than 15, preferably 13.
I grew up near a bunch of christian kids, and now that i see the behavior they exhibit in their older and more free age, I'll tell you this; if you shelter your child for to long they are going to get ass blasted by the real world.
>>69493659
>cirnoposting
>>69495532
>Normal cartoons aren't like that
>2000+20-4
sure?
>>69500441
>implying there is cellphone service or wifi at McDonalds in rural Utah.
>implying I won't know all the kids they know because they all live in the same valley
It must suck having no desolate desert to retreat to in your nation.
>>69484477
>gave me unlimited and unsupervised access to the net when it came around.
>i had a computer in my room at the age of 9.
Not ban but all our devices are used in plain sight, all computers laptops in an are where everyone can see each others screen AND kids are supervised online - timelimits and awareness of what/who/where they are interacting with online
Any parent who ignores this is fooling themselves if they think they're kids are safe online.
>>69503211
>not respecting the 9
