We have been trying to get sand niggers to have a democratic government for nearly two decades. There relatively more peace when they had dictators. Do different peoples require different forms of government /pol/?
how i say this in a few words?....
NO
>>69419338
Bernie Sanders is an independent, technically.
>>69418075
the problem with the middle east is not the democracy, the thing is that the democracy allows to the extremist parties to get the power.
There was never the intention of bringing the democracy to that countries, the goal here was bring perpetual inestability. Your country is satan himself
>>69419947
We play to win baby.
>>69420418
What have you won?
nothing
>>69418075
I've been inclined to say that no, democracy isn't good for everyone. While I do believe that a representative government is superior, it seems like different peoples need different forms of government.
Like in the middle east in places like Libya, which was actually doing pretty okay under Gaddafi, we make them set up democracies and they just elect radicals over and over. Same with Iraq and Egypt
>>69419473
so is Trump friendo
better listen what based bro Nat has to say about it:
>>69418075
>>69421674
forgot link
>>69418075
Wow an actual decent thread topic, kudos Op.
I think some cultures inherently reject democracy. The Chinese and most middle eastern cultures are good examples of this. I love the idea of democracy and freedom.
>>69419947
^This
while a lot of people still think we were actually brining democracy to the middle east what we were really doing was playing the "GREAT GAME"
For some reason elites believe the middle east and asia are key to economic and military power
>>69420686
"We" won but not the American people. We got screwed over and got none of the spoils which is why you see such unrest not only in America but the entire world.
On democratic failure in the middle east. The radical elements of Islam are incompatible with western values. But we have Britain to thank for that, not the US. We didn't start the fire...
>>69418075
Islam literally means "submission". Sand monkeys are natural bootlickers, and will fight to the death to install a domineering state that enforces their specific values. Democracy cannot surivive in the Middle East, and the best the West can hope for is an enlightened despot to keep its people in line.
>>69419338
Which one of you kikes kiked this Zyklon Ben masterpiece and who is going to post the original?
>>69420686
We won the lack of a muslim Caliphate. Yes, sure, Daesh playacts the role, but a unified Muslim Empire does not exist. We must continue to destablize the region until Islam dies out or face the hordes in another crusade. The Eurofaggots should have kept their copy of the script after World War I and realized that allowing migrants in to colonize Eurabia in the name of Islam was not the plan. Sadly, those fucks are now Socialists and have allied with Islam as an enemy of capitalism. Europe please unfuck yourself and remember your lines. We only tolerate the Israelis for one reason.
No memes. Completely serious.
Democracy is about the most idiotic idea imaginable.
Sure, let's give control of the world to whoever breeds the most. That's bound to work out well.
>>69423540
>We must continue to destablize the region until Islam dies
au contraire, destablizing the region allows the islam to grow.
And your gov uses this extremists to get their geopolytical goals, like they did in Afganistán in the 80's. Then years later they send your countryman in a stupid nonsense war with an enemy they created.
Plz overtrow your joos overlords
>>69419473
Bernie bows to the DNC like his life literally depends on it.
>>69424071
That implies that stupid people are always the ones who breed the most.
>>69418075
democracy is a cuckold system
hint: Israel and the Saudis are NOT a democracy and they are winging it. Europe was at its strongest when they were monarchies. democracy was a concept invented by jews to slowly weaken then overthrow countries
>>69418075
Democracy allows a people to put their values into action. In the west, for a while, that meant personal liberty, free markets, and a separation of church and state. We in the west made the mistake of assuming that if democracy were a universal thing, those other things would logically follow after.
Not so. As the power of the west fades, why would the other civilizations choose to emulate our values once they democratized?
>>69418075
Fuck no. Populations with <100 average IQ require an oppressive dictatorship to keep them from chimping out. Prove me wrong, bitches.
>>69424901
It worked out pretty fine with out an oppressive dictatorship especially when half of the country is below 100. Basically you're an idiot.
>>69424138
This is partially true, but who dies? 5000 a pop of my countrymen for a decade long engagement compared to tens of thousands of radical muslims? Painful still, true, but it's far less than the 50,000 in 'Nam. The radicals serve the agenda, more often than not. Our main problem is Zbignew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, and the like wormed their way in when the plan was set and convinced our politicians that Israel was the goal not the tool. Also, we have had Presidents, the current one especially, who are content to allow the useful idiot radical muslims to blow off steam on the Religious minorities. A nuclear armed and oil rich Muslim Empire must not be allowed regardless the cost.
>>69424138
We would love to remove the jew overlords but they are really duck in there. Not unlike a tick.
>>69424273
>Saudi Arabia isn't a democracy
No Shit
>>69418075
democracy can work if the country is open to westernisation
>>69418075
yep, if the country is full of muslim religious fanatics, who often hate each other, its better to have a (relatively) secualr dictator than democracy
>>69419947
>the thing is that the democracy allows to the extremist parties to get the power.
This has literally never happened in the Middle East though.
Unless you consider Turkey to have been a democracy at some point in the last few decades, which is an immense stretch.
>>69427034
Them hating eachother is by far better than them united under a sense of nationalism. Now, they hate eachother, and they are alot closer to eachother than to us. United they share a philosophy that is antithetical to the West and would be cemented by a hatred of all we stand for, the only common trait among all denizens of Southwest Asia. Instead of Kurd against Shiite against Sunni, it would be one hand united to stretch across the Mediteranean, the Atlantic, and Pacific.
>>69418075
>Do different peoples require different forms of government /pol/?
Not necessarily, but there are certain social conditions that are conducive to democracy. For instance, relatively high levels of education, health, social cohesion, and economic opportunity. When you don't have those, trying to make democracy work is basically shoving a square peg in a round hole.
>>69419338
Post the original you faggot
>>69427403
have you ever heard about the Muslim Brotherhood? They are the ones who get benefit with the "arab spring"
>>69428133
The MB aren't really extremists. They are conservative, but broadly believe in republicanism. By Middle Eastern standards they are practically moderate.
They've only engaged in violence when they've been proscribed, and they've always been willing to come back to the negotiating table.
>>69428519
i agree with you, the MB are not extremists, but their armed force is (Al Qaeda)
>>69428519
The Muslim Brotherhood are extremists. They fucked up one of the few mostly secular states we allow to exist in that country. The military in Egypt are aware of this. We pay them off to act as an ally and one less front in the war. I'm sure they were shocked and dismayed when the Brotherhood was allowed to gain ground in their land. Our current President has ties to them. This was well outside of the strategy for the region. I'm sure you noticed that the power players turned their back on Obama after this debacle and the messianic facade began to crack.
>>69428967
Hamas is linked with them as well.
>>69418075
Yes, different peoples need different forms of government, but it has a lot to do with their culture, their history, their expectations, the size of their population, etc.
>>69418075
>There relatively more peace
American education everyone.
>>69428967
What the fuck are you talking about? The MB and AQ are completely different organizations, with completely different ideological goals.
>>69429656
yeah, back in the good ol' dictator days, you just had the IRA bombing Europe.
>>69429117
>The Muslim Brotherhood are extremists.
By what standard? Compared to Western liberalism? Sure, okay, but that's a silly comparison. Compared to actual Muslim extremist groups they are incredibly moderate.
>They fucked up one of the few mostly secular states we allow to exist in that country.
Being bad at governing doesn't make them extremists. Nor does being conservative.
>>69418075
The single most important variable in any system is the people who populate it. The values , ethics, biology, and cultural inheritance of a people are far more important than the transitory political system they use to govern themselves.
>>69422227
>Wow an actual decent thread topic, kudos Op
THIS
BUMP
>>69429708
The Muslim Brotherhood are sunni islamists
>>69424235
>That implies that stupid people are always the ones who breed the most.
don't they ?
>>69418075
GENETICS DETERMINE CULTURE
IF YOU'RE DUMB AS ROCKS WHY SHOULD YOU VOTE
>>69430188
i.e., they are conservatives.
>>69430188
He's overreachubg, but they are technically different.
It really depends on how you believe people are. Either humanity is:
>mostly good and willing to work together because they're kind and loving, OR
>mostly not good, and will always act in self interest
If you take the idea that humanity is inherently bad, yet self serving, a system that allows people to work towards their own ends shamelessly, while providing punishment for law breakers, then a democratic republic is fine
If you think that humanity is mostly good, with a few bad apples, then you'd want communism or a variant. Because why wouldn't good people work together, and share and build a great country?
As far as dictators, nobody really wants to live under that, but when you're brainwashed by a vicious cult of death, then perhaps a strong dictator is the only thing that can keep you in line...
>>69430559
How the fuck am I overreaching? They aren't "technically different," they are completely different. They have different views, different motives, and until recently weren't even active in any of the same countries.
>>69430696
>then perhaps a strong dictator is the only thing that can keep you in line...
This is sort of how it works.
Dictators are often widely disliked (the really popular "cult of personality" types are actually a minority) but they leverage different political interests groups and those groups' distrust of one another to remain in power. In lowly-developed countries in particular these are often ethnic groups, like the Alawites and Arabs in Syria, for example.
