What did he mean by this?
inb4 all rich people are going to hell
>>69416666
He alluded to how most rich people are yids and are are of the synagogue of satan and thus cannot enter the kingdom of god.
>>69416666
He meant rich people could just buy really huge needles to get into heaven, devil quads
>>69416666
Quantum Mechanics
>>69416666
It means that those who use their wealth to only further their own power will go to hell, GigaSatan.
The further into materialism and base pleasures one goes, the further away from God they become.
>>69416666
You can't buy your way in to heaven.
>>69416666
You can't take it with you.
"Eye of the needle" was the nickname of the back door to a city.
It was just a regular sized door.
The idea is that a merchant's camel is laden with bags and cannot get through the door without removing them I think
>>69416666
Matthew is a piece of shit writer. I give his book a generous D+
>>69416666
That love for material wealth would lead to spiritual dearth?
>>69416666
I think it's referring to those who prioritize wealth above God and all other things.
The Godly figures in the Bible who were wealthy prioritized being upright and glorifying God before greed.
>be a good goy and give the church your money, money is evil you don't need it.
>>69417158
This, sort of.
Cities had walls around them with two entrances: one big one for beasts of burden to be able to enter town, and one small one for people. The big one closed at night, while the small one remained open so people could get through.
If you wanted your camel to get into the city at night, you had to train it to get on it's knees and crawl in.
In other words, get on your knees and be humble.
>>69416666
Become poor by spending your wealth.
>>69416666
The eye of the needle was an actual passage that you could only get your camel through by removing the baggage you were carrying on it and pushing it through.
It was a common phrase denoting difficulty, but no where near impossibility.
>>69416666
it means that getting rich usually involves screwing others over.
look at any "self-made" billionaire today. they all paved their way to riches over the bodies of their enemies and friends
Jesus said "“If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
So the more wealth you have, the further you are from Christ, the harder it is to live a godly life.
>>69417158
thanks australia, i never knew that
>>69416666
It means greedy jews will not receive everlasting life and be a son of God
The Kingdom of Heaven is a metaphor for mindfulness and acceptance of the present moment. Seeking wealth implies a discontent with the present and having wealth engenders anxiety to protect it, even after your death. So most of the wealthy never know peace.
>>69416666
During those times rich people were born rich and upward mobility was almost impossible.
now that upward mobility exists....
>>69417837
>The Kingdom of Heaven is a metaphor for mindfulness and acceptance of the present moment.
Then what do they mean when they say that Heaven and Earth will come to an end? Is Earth also a metaphor?
>>69416666
Getting to heaven needs only faith nothing else.
replace the words "RICH" and MAN with anything else, still easier for a camel to... etc etc
>>69417797
Yet christfags misinterpret this completely as 'money is the root of all evil', instead of 'the love of money is the root of all evil'
>>69417493
This exactly.
Jesus is saying that being rich comes with a lot of temptations and you have to fight against those, not that no rich people will go to heaven.
>>69416666
666 QUADS speaks the truth!
The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed...It's symbolic.
>>69417982
Earth is a metaphor for one's concept of the world, as opposed to reality as it actually is. It is referring to the veil of labels and good/bad judgments which delude us and alienate us from the One of which we are a part.
>>69418435
sauce plox
>>69417904
That sound a lot like the "back then they didn't have semi-automatic weapons" argument
>>69418351
Oh fuck off. "Hurr durr he didn't mean exactly what he said. let's invent some shit based on absolutely zero evidence. Yeah that's the more likely meaning".
You're basically a woman, just repeating what others tell you.
>>69418623
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_a_needle ...Yeah. wiki and I make shit up.
>>69416666
he's saying that being rich and paying off priests, and simple material greed, won't get you into heaven
>>69417158
>>69417493
>>69417629
>>69418351
Like any city, give it all your cash/possessions and your in...not so easy with Heaven though.
its a warning against decadence. The west is rich but now faithless.
>>69418759
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_a_needle
>The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century. However, there is no widely accepted evidence for the existence of such a gate.[4][5] There is actually a small gate in Jerusalem called "eye of a needle". It can be found in the Russian Church, in the Old City of Jerusalem, but was built in the 16th century, and clearly has nothing to do with this passage.[citation needed]
Yeah doesn't sound at all made up to me. Fucking women.
>>69417220
Fuck you man I think I'm a pretty good writer.
>>69416666
he means rich kikes go to hell but we already knew this
he means that dont horde your wealth give it to others and help others be a good christian. Imagine for a second a white world where brothers helped brothers and everyones gold was to see the community as a whole succeed. No im not talking about communism or socialist crap im talking about a homogeneous society of only one type of people
>>69418587
i don't know if you're joking but it's just my own interpretation. i parallelisms between religions...comforting.
>>69416666
>Those quads
weeeew
>>69416769
Its true though. "You cannot serve God and wealth" isn't just opinion. Its fact.
>>69417991
Faith without works is dead
>>69418759
>posting links that argue against your point
>being this autistic
>>69417158
No it wasnt, you faggot troll. Your pseudo historian bullshit is no good here.
>>69416666
Nice satan quads.
He meant that having posessions means having something to lose. If you have something to lose in the physical world, you won't be able to free your mind from the material world. Hence you won't be able to achieve spiritual enlightenment.
You need to give up your earthly possessions.
>>69416666
He meant fuck Canada that's what
Nice quads Satan
>camel
The correct translation is cavel, a type of ship
>>69419072
You Should check out the logical fallacies at the top of page 1. Better luck in the future and welcome to 4chan
>>69416666
quats,
Mathew was jesus best friend, So if this is truly his words I would take heed.
>>69417797
He was talking to that one guy specifically. He knew that for that one guy, wealth was his god. His false idol. Whatever your false idols are, you have to get rid of them in order to follow him.
>>69419422
>Cyril of Alexandria claimed that "camel" is a Greek misprint; that kamêlos (camel) was a misprint of kamilos, meaning "rope" or "cable"
sounds more legit to me. The original books weren't in English dude.
He basically means
"Burn the rich, class war now!"
Christianity is secretly socialist bullshit.
>>69416666
It has to do with gold salivating Jews who would murder their true savior rather than accept his message of peace and love for your neighbor
>>69419586
>Christianity is secretly socialist bullshit.
It's not though. It doesn't say "work together as a people". It says "the world is a lie".
>>69419586
I don't believe he means you should give up your personal property, Bernie. In our times I would compare it to 29% credit card usury, or collecting taxes on someone's income.
>>69419426
>Get proven wrong
>But while proving you wrong I used an ad hominem
>Oh shit BTFO. Nothing personnel kid.
>>69419586
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
>>69416666
whatever you wish him to mean, lord of the underworld
>>69416666
nice quads. but what he meant was that the poor and vagabond life should be taken, not as a grim necessity, but as a joyous act of dedication and reflection on the life of poverty led by our illustrious Saviour.
>>69419912
right on cue wit the fallacy fallacy and personal incredulity. Nice try, boy.
>>69419332
This
And people are eating that shit up looool.
>>69420497
damn, I was joking before, but I seriously think this kid is autistic now.
It just means that you can't buy your way into heaven.
>>69420012
>“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
>“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
It's socialist as fuck bro.
>>69416666
Eye of the needle, Jerusalem
Yes it's literally about camels fitting through small things.
Rich=having wealth. Wealth means possessing to the degree that your possession grants you power.
This, in my mind, doesn't mean anyone who posesses more than what they ABSOLUTELY need can't go to heaven. But it's pretty obvious. Don't horde stuff and don't let stuff control you. You can't take it with you, and if you desire to, you won't pass into heaven.
Jews don't go to heaven.
>>69416666
Jesus was a capitalist who told people to give up all of their possessions of their own free will.
Of course almost nobody is able to do this (which is a theme in Christianity: 99% of the rules are broken by 99% of Christians, and God knew it would be like this).
It has nothing to do with mandating governments to take people's possessions.
>>69420866
Check my digits if you don't believe me.
>>69420648
Maybe it seems that way because you're 12 and can't compose a rational rebuttal.
>>69416666
You should know quad Satan. The monetary systems, civilizations and even the first cities were built by your sons, the sons of Cain. The same brood of vipers that worked that were the first free masons, built the first temple and worked their way into the synagogues of Judah.
>>69416666
>The year two thousand and sixteen of the Common Era
>Still worshipping the dead Rabbi Yeshua ben Yosef, self-proclaimed son of the ancestral Israeli god YHWH
ISHYGDDT
>If only we were all poor, ignorant and weak, we'd be living in a utopia
This is why I can't take Christianity seriously.
>When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
>But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
>>69419586
poenitentiam agite!
>>69419823
>I don't believe he means you should give up your personal property, Bernie.
Um, he literally tells his followers to give away all their worldly possessions.
>>69420735
>Charity is socialism
You alright there, lad?
>>69421321
>With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Exactly.
What Jesus is saying is that in order to be righteous, people would have to behave in a way that is almost unthinkable.
He's saying that nobody deserves Heaven, but anyone can get it.
It's meant to cause a sense of relief, because it means that we are all fundamentally the same.
>>69421244
Try actually reading the Bible before forming an opinion. Otherwise you look a bit foolish. Jesus literally made his own weapon to beat the shit out of some Jews for doing muh shekels shit in a temple.
>>69419113
But that's communism you fat cunt.
>>69422070
It's not communism. Communism is the policy proposal that your government should take the people's money (and do X with it).
What Jesus is saying is that a truly righteous man will freely give up all of his money to the poor. No governments involved.
In a way, it's an anti-communist sentiment. Because it's pointing out that even communists can't bear to actually do this. They need a middle-man (the government) to hide the pain of giving up their possessions.
>>69422270
>your government should take the people's money
That's socialism.
>>69422270
charity, not poverty, is the principle of the perfect life
>>69422373
If people have no chance to have personal possessions, it amounts to the same thing as their personal possessions being taken away.
Jesus' test is the most clear in an ancap society. A society where literally nobody is going to tell you what to do with your stuff. Can somebody in that society give up all their stuff for no reason? That's God's test. The number of people who have passed it, is probably less than a thousand.
>>69422593
None of what you said makes you less wrong about what communism is.
>>69416666
Bad translation. There was a gate in some city called "The Eye of the Needle". It wasn't very big. You could get a camel through it, but it was hard.
>>69422829
The translation doesn't change the meaning. The meaning is, "it's impossible". Jesus isn't saying it's hard, he's saying it's impossible.
The next line is his disciples responding and saying "but that's impossible!"
It really is as black-and-white as it seems. But then it's countered by the equally black-and-white "through God all things are possible".
Basically, it goes like this:
>you can never get into heaven
>but we'll let you in anyway
Mystical contradictions were a common way of expressing an idea.
>>69416666
You fools, tryin to deceive good born-again Christians.
This verse is simply saying that rich people are vastly more susceptable to temptation, sin, and degeneracy. A bit of hyperbole, to be sure, but it gets the message across to anyone who's willing to listen.
It would be better to cast off your riches than let your riches tempt you to go out and spend your money on a new bugatti, cocaine, and party hoes, and not give a single cent to those in need.
Also, wealth contributes to pride, and convincing arguments can be made that either the love of money or pride are the root of all evil.
>>69421244
You've been deceived, give the message of Christ an open ear and an open heart, and the Holy Spirit will help you see the way. You must only be willing to see His master plan for you.
>>69422593
i dunno. this was the argument that split the catholic church back in the 1300's? Apostolic Bretheren, Dolcinians, Franciscans...
a lot of 'heretics' were burned because they renounced their worldly possessions to live a more holy life. of course, these holy vagabonds also forced others to 'renounce' their possessions at the point of a sword in their own murderous, frenzied hunt for the fat heretics who believed in personal property...
>>69418759
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_a_needle
>However, there is no widely accepted evidence for the existence of such a gate.[4][5]
>There is actually a small gate in Jerusalem called "eye of a needle". It can be found in the Russian Church, in the Old City of Jerusalem, but was built in the 16th century, and clearly has nothing to do with this passage.
Fucking read your sources before using them in an argument. This "eye of a needle" argument has been done to death.
>>69422829
no. the gate was named after the saying.
>>69421072
You're own sources prove you wrong. This is enough to prove that you are a fucking retard.
Man, reading the bible really ruins this DUDE FREE LOVE LMAO Jesus I see everywhere.
That was sad but funny to see all these love preaching Christians get their own book wrong
>>69423088
It's not a contradiction at all.
>You can get in IF you do this thing
That is not a contradiction.
>>69416666
Consider the Orthodox slogan, "death to the world!"
Heaven is a spiritual state opposed to the materiality of the World.
Addicts and rich people love the World and therefore hate Heaven.
He meant he's going to build a really big hollow needle. Because even if the latter is impossible, the former (also being impossible) is not easier because one impossible thing cannot be easier. Therefore the former must be possible so there must be a really big hollow needle.
Now, what purpose will this giant hollow needle serve?
>>69419165
Jesus had at least one wealthy friend. It's a warning to those who value money more than God. Idolatry basically.
>>69423408
>>69423455
No, the contradiction is:
>rich people can't get into Heaven
>but God can put them in Heaven
It's not really a contradiction but it just seems like one. Rich people can't "get into" heaven. It's not their choice to make. They don't deserve it. Jesus is trying to get people to stop thinking in terms of "reward".
To be saved, you need to rely 100% on Christ, there is absolutely no way for you to enter the Kingdom of Heaven based on your own terms. Rich people are used to power, to enforce their will, so it's hard for them to accept that they are powerless when it comes to salvation.
This is why it is easier for a poorfag to be saved, because he realises how weak and powerless compared to other people and so it is easy for him to submit to God's grace.
A rich businessman might be too arrogant to do this, so he might not get saved.
>>69416666
If you're going to quote the Bible, quote the full passage.
>Then someone came to him and said, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; also, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said to him, “I have kept all these;[b] what do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell your possessions, and give the money[c] to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this word, he went away grieving, for he had many possessions.
>23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it will be hard for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” 25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astounded and said, “Then who can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “For mortals it is impossible, but for God all things are possible.”
>27 Then Peter said in reply, “Look, we have left everything and followed you. What then will we have?” 28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man is seated on the throne of his glory, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold,[d] and will inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.
>>69423945
You should stop posting forever. Rich people can get into Heaven. They just need to do it through God. They will not reach Heaven if they serve money instead of serving God. However, you can serve God while having money. If you don't understand this, you're a shit Christian. Like the yank said, it's an extension of idolatry.
>>69424119
>Rich people can get into Heaven.
It's not a club you can "get into". In fact I have no idea what it is, people are just projecting onto it from old Jewish ideas.
What Jesus said about the kingdom of heaven is:
>nobody deserves it
>anyone can get it
That's pretty much it.
>>69424340
What did I just tell you about posting when you know nothing?
>>69417837
>Kingdom of Heaven
No, lol. Kingdom of Heaven is the day when god will descend on earth and "the meek shal inherit the earth". It's when good will finally rule the earth instead of the evil
>>69424082
very eloquent
it's difficult not to fall into the trap that goes >the more money you have the more difficult it is and vice versa
>>69421026
>26
kay, I believe you, mystic
>>69424430
>What did I just tell you about posting when you know nothing?
I know literally everything about this topic. There's only a finite amount of source, and I have studied all of it.
Jesus was a mystic, and he didn't make a lot of sense. Most of the history of institutional Christianity is people thinking they can figure out what he meant. I don't think it's that simple.
>>69416666
>6666
Satan's post
THERE IS NO GOD
>>69424119
there can be no rich christians. a christian who has a lot of money should realize that the wealth is not his. rather, he is a caretaker of that wealth and should be directing the care of that wealth to the glory of god.
earthly riches are not rewards for hard work or acumen. they are responsibilities that have been meted out to those who have the capacity to manage them.
>>69416666
Means that you can't buy your way through the gates of heaven.
>>69424694
You know absolutely fuck all. You can't even read and understand basic English. It's genuinely stunning.
>>69416666
You can't buy your way into heaven. He wasn't saying rich people are terrible, he was saying being rich won't win you any extra favors with God.
>>69416666
>What did he mean by this?
He means that that should be an instaban phrase.
>>69424736
>there can be no rich christians
Wrong again. How are you people so bad at reading?
>>69424117
My interpretation of it is a mandate against kikery.
What good is money when you're dead? Instead, you should worship God, be humble, be ethical, be kind, and use the money that you have to help those less fortunate. The upside of this, is that the more money that you have, the more that you can help others.
You can create a product that enriches both you, your workers, and your costumers. And then you can use your wealth that you accumulate to help others less fortunate. Sounds like a pretty good life.
You really can't get rich without exploiting others in some form or fashion. So to make up for that, what you should do is give all your money to the Church of course.
>>69424841
was christ rich? what did he own? do not christians attempt to follow the example that christ set?
>>69425459
Christians attempt to follow the teachings of Christ not relive his life moron.
>>69425459
Christ has a problem with mammon. Not with wealth.
The point of this is that it's harder for the rich to enter heaven.
>21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
>22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
>23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
>24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
If the young man was poor then giving up his possessions would have been easy. He also said to his disciples right after that that they would be rewarded with a value in proportion to what they had given up to follow him.
>>69423945
i agree with this "reward" idea. i tend towards the idea that wealth is not a reward but a responsibility. a christian in charge of a great deal of wealth has a dire responsibility to manage and use the wealth to the greatest glory of god... not easily done with so much and varied earthly temptations that the wealth could bring him...
>>69425856
>The point of this is that it's harder for the rich to enter heaven.
Wrong. The point is that God is the only path into Heaven. He says that those who make sacrifices in this world will be rewarded a hundredfold in the next. Jesus acknowledges that wealth can be an almost insurmountable obstacle on the path to Heaven, but that is because of the temptation and corruption it can cause. It has nothing to do with money itself.
>>69416666
very 26: with God all things are possible.
It's just harder for rich people because they're very attached to this life on earth and their earthly possessions.
Poor people hate their lives and hope for the world to come so it's easier for them.
>>69416666
>Wealth hoarders get rekt. (Matthew 19:24)
Pretty sure he was talking about the Jews after he flipped over their stores in the Temple. He was a very anti-semitic man, even created a whole new religion.
>>69426059
>The point is that God is the only path into Heaven
This
>Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
>>69425642
i agree. what i was saying with this post >>69424736 is that christians should know that they don't 'own' anything. they are merely caretakes of god's creation. any earthly wealth they happen to have custody of is not theirs - it is, like everything else, god's. therefore, there are no rich christians.
>>69420921
This
I'm pretty sure there's a layer of hell reserved specifically for kikes.
The actual interpretation is that rich men will have devoted themselves to a life of materialism at the expense of the spiritual.
If you have money it is hard to avoid whores. To make money it is hard to avoid greed and selfishness.
This is why Christianity is a cuck religion and the Alex Jones part of me thinks the Jews invented it simply to cuck the Romans.
>>69426059
>because of the temptation and corruption it can cause
i agree with this. money, beauty, power... all types of wealth that can lead to temptation and corruption... are certainly stumbling blocks on the road to redemption.
>>69416666
He meant that the means of production should be owned and controlled by the state, not by the greedy bourgeoisie. I hate fucking jewish commies.
>>69418435
Are you a christian buddahist?
>>69426849
He meant kill the Turk Roach.
>>69416666
quads checkd.
Remember that this is a translation, and that "rich man" may refer to a miser or self absorbed materialist and you would be damn hard pressed to find humble rich men that fear god. This doesn't mean "be an irresponsible poorfag because money means fuckall"
Money is the root of all evil, including the want (lack) for money. If you aren't weaslthy enough to provide for your family (your elders and youngers and simplers) or to give charitably, or to keep yourself healthy and with a modicum of leisure time, you will be just as removed from god as a profligate materialistic rich person.
Even the poorest man or most devout ascetic has some material attachments.
Give the church your money because Jesus
