http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-punishment-illegal-abortion-1.3513333
Should sluts go to jail for getting abortions?
Post something /pol/ can't refute and eventually they'll agree with it.
>>69407851
They absolutely should. Abortion should be an option in medical emergencys or when there is a severe birth defect.
>>69408485
Doesn't South Korea have the highest number of abortion per capita in Asia despite abortions being completely illegal?
>murder someone
>expect no punishment
The female mind in a nutshell.
>>69407851
God I just seen Global News talk about this shit. My dumbass family eats it up, and I've only heard of this just now.
After a quick Bing™ search I find out what he said. If something is against the law, and you break it, you should face punishment.
I'm getting real tired of these fucking liberals.
>if something is hypothetically illegal Mr. Trump should people be punished
>yes sure if it hypothetically is
He isn't saying this is how it should be he is answering a hypothetical. There OP go tell your shit facebook friends that answer I know thats why you made this thread. To get armed with talking points
>>69409129
>abortion is murder
Not this shit again
white people should, all others should be given free abortions. We could play it off as punishing whitey
>>69409373
So, you're saying women shouldn't be punished for getting abortions?
>>69407851
No weed man he said crime should be punished period.
>>69407851
100% percent these women should face some type of fine or punishment for getting abortions
Condoms absolutely do not fucking bust as often as these people claim whenever they get called out for these accidental kids. There are SHITLOADS of different methods to prevent conception and these LAZY IRRESPONSIBLE FUCKHEADS are too fucking stupid to use them.
So yes, fuck them all
>>69409593
They do get punished they have to live with it the rest of their lives. If they never end up getting married after it believe me it kills them inside.
>>69407851
If it's illegal then yes
Watch how many "conservative" womyn will get triggered
>>69409704
But in many states, states laws have made it very difficult for people to obtain contraceptives whether it for family planning or STD prevention.
>>69409437
C-UCK
>>69409912
How racist are Romanians generally I learned today I have 25% Romanian DNA.
>>69409931
[citation needed]
>>69410120
http://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Health-Care-for-Underserved-Women/Access-to-Contraception
>>69410017
Were not really as racist as we are race realists, we hate niggers, gypsies and arabs but we are slowly being pozzed by your filthy garbage mass media, don't be proud you ran from your country nigger
>>69407851
I know the media is scraping the bottom of their thousandth barrel, but this is unreal;
>Pro life = abortions are illegal
>Abortions are illegal
>ILLEGAL
If something is ILLEGAL, by definition it requires some kind of sanction, so anyone who is pro life believes abortion should be punished, meaning that this is entirely uncontroversial. the headline could just as easily be "American guy is pro life"
but alas, the media shills and idiots don't have enough brain cells to think critically for two seconds before being TRIIIIGEEEREDDDD
No, they should not.
Murder gets the death penalty in my state.
>>69411102
Things that are illegal do not necessarily have to be punished.
See also: decriminalization
See also: How marijuana possession is treated in the Netherlands and most parts of Canada.
>>69410587
>Currently, 20 states restrict some minors’ ability to consent to contraceptive services (19).
Fair enough. I think this is too absurd. I don't agree with public funding for contraceptives though. And insurance companies should have the right to not cover contraceptives just like anyone else. And of course, you can always just walk into Walgreens and buy a condom.
no, non-abortion leads to more fucked up children and crime, abortion leads to a better country. Would you disagree with eugenics?
This is one issue the right has gotten wrong unfortunately.
>>69411347
ok sure, but in this context Trump's response has been completely overblown
He should really have been better prepared for that question, and that seems to be a common theme among Trump's statements nowadays
>>69407851
i argee with trump on a lot of fronts but they are many i disarge with this is one of them
abortions prevent more poor trash from being introduced into society which benefits society as a whole prove me wrong
pro tip you can't
>>69411347
Marijuana is not decriminalized anywhere in Canada.
>in Australia, hanging out with two Japanese guys
>there's some pro-life demonstration and they have balloons, the other guy says he wants a balloon
>I notice what it's about, ask him does he really want to carry this balloon because he doesn't seem to get what it is
>try to explain him what pro-choice and pro-life are, he doesn't get it
>ask him does he even know what abortion is, he has no clue, conversation suddenly gets awkward
Seriously abortion is fucking sick. No other societies do this. In Russia they do a lot and you can't trust a Russian.
>>69411889
When was the last time someone was arrested for possessing a small amount of marijuana for personal consumption in B.C., Ontario, or Quebec?
>>69411910
But can I trust a Finn?
If you believe abortion is murder, you must also believe that women should be punished for murdering (or paying someone to murder?)
I don't really care about abortion, but this seems obvious to me.
>>69412216
Yes, but only a man
trigger irrational leftists in 5
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3
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"abortion has negative consequences"
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[hysterical leftists intensifies]
>>69409366
<this
>>69412288
And how am I supposed to know you're a man?
>>69412233
This, it's the same hypocrisy as "conservative" people who say that hitting a child for raising purposes is okay but hitting a woman is not. They are basically saying that they don't see a child as a real human because she or he doesn't deserve the same rights.
>>69412473
Come over and see
>>69411347
and desu making something illegal without a criminal punishment is basically being cucked by leftists
see: Peter Hitchens, The War we never Fought
>>69407851
"If something is made illegal should people be punished for still doing it?"
Yes.
>Liberal heads explode in rage
For fucks sake, if you disagree with something fight it before it becomes law, don't get crazy when someone say laws should be enforced. No idea why liberals are so pissed he said this. He didn't even advocate for the banning of abortion, the question pre-supposed its existence.
>>69407851
Should women who kill their baby go to jail?
>trump says something crazy
>gets mad airtime for the next 48hrs
>retracts on social media
>his followers understand and move on
>he gets new followers from media attention
kek the goys still haven't figured trumps game plan?
>>69407851
Abortion is murder. Do I think murder should be punished? Yep.
I don't care if he wants to punish women who engage in illegal abortions. What worries me is he quickly changed his position on his page later when he got backlash. The same shit happened with h1b1.
>>69413173
>trump gains followers by acting like a retard
Uhhh what?
>>69407851
I don't see the problem here. This is hypothetical:
>Abortion in the future is illegal
>People that unlawfully terminate pregnancies face consequences
Is this really that hard to understand?
>>69413463
>he doesn't know trump is winning this election with that game plan
stay bluepilled my friend, now trump will be on every news show defending his abortion plan and bringing in new people
>>69413463
In what way was his answer to the hypothetical question incorrect?
All have a right to exist, until they violate another's right to do so. That right extends to people at their earliest and most vulnerable stage of existence. We must protect it with strong pro-life legislation.
>>69413711
Please tell me how I can be red pilled on
"Man back pedals 3 times in a span of a couple hours as technique to gain voters"?
>>69413699
The problem is that most of america is gullible and the media spin shit non-stop, seen the stories about this 3 times now, and all 3 times the headline is "Women should be held accountable for having abortions", and either completely fails to mention that it was an answer to a hypothetical question, or buries it deep in the story.
>>69407851
Nice misleading title. It says clearly in the LINK of your article that its ILLEGAL abortions. Yes you should be punished if you commit a crime. What is with liberals and thinking crimes are just a joke and don't need to punished? First illegal immigration now this shit. WE HAVE A SYSTEM OF LAW AND ORDER, THE ONLY REASON EVERYONE DOESN'T KILL EACH OTHER IS BECAUSE THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES.
>>69412857
This and only this.
>>69407851
>Should sluts go to jail for getting abortions?
Well, yeah, it's called murder.
>B-BUT A CLUMP OF CELLS ISN'T HUMAN CUZ I SAID SO
Trump was a strong Republican candidate because he didn't get into all that social conservatism non-sense.
Now he not only has jumped in with both feet, he took a position no mainstream pro-life group has taken. The majority of pro-life groups are not in favor of punishing the mother. I don't know what the fuck he's doing.
My guess is that he has danced around the third rail for so long he forgot it was charged.
>>69413784
His answer was correct, entirely and completely, people that break existing laws should be punished for it. He is only changing his answer because the media idiots won't stop specifically reporting his answer out of context without the hypothetical question.
>>69413760
Idealism at its finest and demonstrably false.
>>69414012
hes positioning to scalp all the cruz voters
>>69412548
I like where this is going.
>>69412916
In my opinion it depends on whether it's a baby or a brainless little lump of flesh. But I support some form of punishment for women who knowingly and willingly have their own baby murdered.
>>69414064
Oh yea. In that case you are correct. The question shouldn't have even been posed desu
>>69409373
>Mr. Trump, if breathing were to be outlawed, should people who breathe be punished for it?
>Yes, if breathing were illegal, then people who breathe should be punished
>BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump says, "people who breathe should be punished." Twitter is already in a very convenient firestorm about Trump's controversial stance on respiration
>>69413784
Because people are well, dumb. His followers don't care, and all this does is bring to the forefront another issue Donald Trump can get airtime to talk about. He did this exact same thing by posting the slightly higher Black crime stats, he got tons of exposure, and proved his point when he got corrected with crime stats that were only slightly less appalling. This is high level political strategy. The way he responded was a mistake, but he will turn it to his advantage with exposure as he always does.
>If something becomes illegal we should punish people when they do that illegal thing.
I really can't argue with that logic.
>>69411910
I don't get it. What does the balloon mean?
>>69407851
Don't they already? I was fairly certain women that undergo 3rd Trimester Abortions were charged with a crime. If all abortion is illegal, then that would be the logical extension of what we have now.
>>69414012
>Now he not only has jumped in with both feet, he took a position no mainstream pro-life group has taken.
He didn't jump in with both feet as pro-life you dummy. He responded in a poor fashion to HYPOTHETICAL question about a hypothetical future in which abortion could be illegal. That isn't the same as him saying he wants to make abortion illegal across the board AND punish the mothers.
>>69409931
Maybe have some self control. Fucking niggers only know how to "muh dick" and shoot other blacks
>>69414485
It didn't mean anything, it was just a balloon with "pro-life" text on it, and I wasn't sure if he really wanted to carry it with him because it might have been awkward if he didn't know and some liberal Australian started lashing out on him.
>>69412233
Trump didn't get asked about the person who was doing the abortion, only about what should happen to the woman.
>>69407851
What about if she is raped?
>>69411910
You fuck, they have abortions in Japan, I know people who've gotten them.
They're more stigmatized though and it seems to be traumatic for the women, but maybe that's because they haven't had their souls destroyed by cultural Marxism yet
>>69411347
DuDE
>>69414202
I didn't realize how pretty Jack White's eyes were until you posted this pic.
>>69413883
The media is currently trying to create the "Trump's war on women" narrative.
Basically, it's just more of the same song and dance of distilling everything into identity politics in order to divide and conquer the idiot masses.
>>69414720
Maybe they don't teach it for new generation, he was a college freshman
>>69407851
Fuck off, I don't want to keep a child from some shitkisn churka monkey with whom I just had sex.
>>69415002
>implying millenials learn jack shit
>>69414588
He said "You have to ban it" at :48.
https://youtu.be/h1Jpoecf0xY
He should have been prepared for this question. He was on MSNBC for fucks sake. The right answer was the release he had on his website. Why couldn't he have said something like that.
I'm beginning to wonder if he even knows what his position on the issues are. This isn't the first time he's took a position completely different than what he claims are his positions on his website.
I mean this was total fuck up. The media has been playing this gotcha game for years with Republicans. The fact that he was totally unprepared for the question is completely on him.
>>69407851
Sluts should be shamed by society instead of enabled. This is another problem that would fix itself if women were stripped of their authority over men.
>>69414631
That sure would be a way to get introduced to a topic like that kek.
>>69414950
I noticed this. Even my Dad who has been relatively pro-Trump was saying how he is not getting the woman vote and he may lose because of it.
>>69414876
Are you havin a go at my Finnfu, boy?
>>69415002
>Japanese college freshman
I'm surprised he even knew what a balloon was.
>>69408308
Kek
>>69407851
I suppose it's a big coincidence that the abortion issue comes up right before the New York primary
Just like it was a big coincidence that David Duke came up right before the Alabama primary.
I'm sure there's no coordinated strategy here by the media
>>69415137
He was asked on how do you ban abortion, he never said he would. And he wasn't even talking about the US.
>>69407851
I can't believe he fucked up that badly.
I can't fucking believe it.
He was so clever to imply support for Planned Parenthood. It was very successful in converting moderates and democrats.
God damn it Donald why? FUCKING WHY DONALD
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE
>>69415412
They really didn't know shit, not even who's your prime minister.
So in the end it was nice small talk about food and pets.
>>69407851
The question he was asked was whether or not a punishment should be given out when/where abortion is illegal. His answer was yes, if it's against the law, they ought to be punished. How do you enforce the law if you aren't enforcing the law?
why is the word "ILLEGAL" invisible or inaudible to people who read or hear trump quotes?
he said ILLEGAL abortions, like ILLEGAL immigration
>>69407851
Illegal abortion = Shitloads more niggers, Christucks can go fuck off.
>>69415487
It's a loaded gun that the media hands to republicans every election cycle to see if they are dumb enough to shoot themselves with it.
The best answer was what he said on his website. It's like the old adage the best way to win a gun fight is to not show up. Well the best way to win an abortion argument with the media is not to have one.
He could have reiterated his positions on the website and moved on and no one would be talking about this. Instead go wanders off into the minefield and now the media is going to make hay from this comment. This isn't the first time they've done this. Their notorious for this at this point.
>>69415462
No way man, none at all, and they really won't just report the answer without that question, that might be considered unethical.
>>69415574
Are you a CruzMissile now?
>>69415682
>Damage control
>>69415874
This
Abortion is literally the only reason we don't have a 5.6 fertility rate for blacks in America
>Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump said Wednesday that women who get an abortion should receive "some form of punishment" if it is ever outlawed
So he thinks if abortion is outlawed the law against it should be enforced? Sounds pretty reasonable.
>>69415963
Never. If Trump doesn't get the nomination I'll probably start drinking again and eventually kill myself.
>>69414439
Yes but It's about ABORTION, It's a WIMMINS issue and he's a fucking white male.
>>69408628
all research on the subject shows that making abortions illegal increases the number of abortions per capita. making abortions illegal drives the practice underground, makes it less safe, makes it less effective, and reduces the availability of non-abortion birth control.
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/facts-induced-abortion-worldwide
>Highly restrictive abortion laws are not associated with lower abortion rates. For example, the abortion rate is 29 per 1,000 women of childbearing age in Africa and 32 per 1,000 in Latin America—regions in which abortion is illegal under most circumstances in the majority of countries. The rate is 12 per 1,000 in Western Europe, where abortion is generally permitted on broad grounds.
>Where abortion is permitted on broad legal grounds, it is generally safe, and where it is highly restricted, it is typically unsafe. In developing countries, relatively liberal abortion laws are associated with fewer negative health consequences from unsafe abortion than are highly restrictive laws.
>In South Africa, the annual number of abortion-related deaths fell by 91 % after the liberalization of the abortion law.
>>69407851
#signsyoureaberniesupporter
Honk honk! Please don't mind me, I am racing through to make the rich pay for their evil gains.
>>69415137
Yeah, this was a fuck up. I don't know why he answered like that. Very clumsy.
>>69416158
> Abortion is higher in coutries with higher fertility
>Hurr Durr this is supposed to prove a point
>>69416158
>abortion ban reduces the availability of non-abortion birth control
Because Tyreequa gets here bulk pack of condoms at her monthy abortion appointments? Contraceptives are dirt cheap.
>all these faggots against abortion
Its like you want more niggers.
>>69416158
When you think "abortion" think "niggers".
They are the ones having 90% of the abortions.
White people don't do this shit, because they actually use birth control. Because they aren't fucking idiots. Rates of STD's for blacks are way higher than for whites, because blacks are fucking subhuman idiots who don't understand how condoms work. (I'm not shitting you, go up and ask a nigger how a condom works)
>>69415927
I can see your point, but even if he said the same points from his website, you know the media would have twisted some way to make him look bad. He didn't ace the question but I don't think he failed it either.
>Well the best way to win an abortion argument with the media is not to have one.
You have to give them something otherwise they will just say "[candidate] is evasive on abortion question. Is he really a conservative?"
but I get what you mean.
> ITS MUH BODY
No, its a separate human being consisting of DNA from the mother AND the father. At some point in development abortion = murder. The unborn child has the liberty to life
>>69416898
It's attached to their body.
But with a simple operation we can already transplant a fetus into another host mother without killing it. Women who want abortions really just want the ability to kill their child and abdicate themselves of all responsibility for their shitty choices.
>>69416465
which is exactly what i said in the post you illiterate fuck
>reduces the availability of non-abortion birth control
try reading something before you post
>>69416649
it's because the same policies that lead to banning abortions lead to banning contraception.
>abortion should be banned because it is murder!
>birth control pills should be banned because they are abortifacents!
>condom sales should be restricted because they promote promiscuity and thus promote abortions!
>>69416703
eastern europeans aren't white?
>>69409835
They will plenty of time to feel bad in their prison cell
>>69416658
This is kind why I'm torn. On the one hand abortion is degenerate. On the other hand it gets rid of future degenerates.
>>69407851
Yes. The more that femshits gets disenfranchised, the better society gets. It would change how women act. It would reduce promiscuity and promote contraception usage.
>>69417541
If something is degenerate and so harmful to everybody it should be an easy sell to convince people not to do it on an individual basis.
If you can't sell that to people perhaps you need to do some reading. http://www.amazon.com/Trump-The-Deal-Donald-J/dp/0345479173
I have no sympathy for people that choose to pursue legislation to enforce ideas that are apparently too shitty to convince people of when they have the freedom to choose.
>>69416158
>making abortions illegal drives the practice underground, makes it less safe, makes it less effective, and reduces the availability of non-abortion birth control.
That's what you want. If they choose to get abortions, despite it being illegal, then they'll have to face the consequences of that. You WANT to teach women that there are consequences to their actions, instead of treating them like children. And if some of them dies, then that's one less pro-abortion/choice feminist ruining society.
There was really no way for him to 'win' that question, it was an obvious trap. Their plan must have been something like this:
> So Trump; IF abortions were a crime, should we punish the mothers who get them done?
IF YES:
> OmAGAWD, Trump really DOES hate women, what a piece of SHIT XD
IF NO:
TRUMP DOESN'T THINK CRIMINALS SHOULD RECEIVE PUNISHMENT
How are people not waking up to this leftist rhetoric by now?
Why don't leftists understand what "illegal" means?
>>69416158
making something illegal causes committing that crime to become less safe
Oh no, won't someone think of the criminals!
>>69418109
so you admit your goal isn't to reduce the amount of abortions - it's to punish women who behave in ways you don't approve of?
>>69417831
oh, i see. that is absolutely your position.
so we can safely ignore your opinion, it is irrelevant.
>>69407851
You right wingers are so dumb. You hate the welfare state. But 65% of people on welfare are single mothers. What if they all never had kids. Thats less money we have to pay in taxes and one less terrible kid growing up without a dad.
>>69418591
>he didn't read the link
all of you are illiterate, aren't you?
making abortions illegal increases the number of abortions, in addition to making it less safe. anyone who legitimately wants less abortions does not want abortion to be illegal - the two ideas are contradictory. the only people who want abortions to be illegal are retards like this kid
>>69418109
>>69417831
who just want to punish women who behave in ways he doesn't like.
>>69407851
Also what if the kid is retared? Do you want to raise a retard baby? Cause I don't.
>>69414591
Jelly your not getting laid?
Total lack of reading comprehension done by most people. Trump was implying that if the act of abortion was illegal there should be punishment.
It's not, and frankly the ones chimping out about this are ones who are already pro-choice; So I highly doubt this will raise his "disapproval" rate for women any higher.
>>69419041
>implying I took a stance on abortions at all
I'm just pointing out your dumbass point. Why would people who think abortion should be a crime care if it gets less safe? You didn't even address it.
>calling me illiterate
learn to read yourself, nigger
>>69406908
>>69406908
>>69406908
SOROS SHREDDING CONSTITUTION TO STUMP TRUMP
>title says "Donald Trump says abortion ban should yield 'punishment' for women"
>Trump literally says you should punish the provider not the patient
This is exactly why Trump is right when he says they need to lighten up the libel laws when it comes to reporters.
>>69419522
>I'm just pointing out your dumbass point.
no, you aren't. because that wasn't my point at all.
if you actually read my posts and the link i posted, you would have seen my point - making abortions illegal increases their frequency. you didn't read my posts, most likely because you can't read.
>learn to read yourself, nigger
kill yourself you illiterate piece of shit
>>69418982
Dumb argument. They have multiple kids usually and would never get an abortion. It's a mental defect not a little accident.
>>69407851
>illegal
>punished when committing a crime
yes
>>69407851
An abortion isn't exactly fun to go through.
>>69419865
it was part of your argument, ergo it was part of your point, otherwise WHY FUCKING INCLUDE IT?
>still haven't addressed it
:^)
>>69419850
no he actually didn't >>69415137
He clearly said to punish the woman. (which is not wrong - but don't deny he said it)
>>69409835
>They do get punished they have to live with it the rest of their lives.
Wrong. Liberals do not have hearts. Any emotion shown, if any, is all a front.
>>69420086
It is better than caring for someone for the rest of your life. Don't buy into the single moms and pregnant teens are the real victims bullshit bro. She is getting an out that is good for her and good for society.
is this going to re-open roe vs wade?
will abortion become a state to state legal issue with a federal limit ie no third trimester borts?
>break law
>get punished
In other news
>Sun Rises
>Sun sets
>>69420215
>n-no, that wasn't your point, THIS was your point! so i'm going to attack THIS!
literal_strawman.tiff
>>still haven't addressed it
addressed what? illiteracy in america? i can't help you kid - you are on your own
>white babies aren't people!
>EU must change its laws because of a photo of a dead brown baby!
>>69420459
It should just be legal across the board. Fucking idiotic that it is even still an issue. Killing babies that will likely contribute nothing and be a severe burden on everyone is one hundred and ten percent the right thing to do.
>>69420665
this
the jews send down shills to convince people that they should be fighting to stop abortion and convince them it's the most important thing in the world. a lot of people are single issue voters and this is a BIG one that people get dragged into.
anti-abortion is code-word for anti-white
>>69420571
I was attacking PART of your argument and you never addressed it. Do you not understand the difference? Do you even know what I originally replied?
>tfw your realize it must be bait, nobody could be this autistic
>>69420665
Would agree to full legal abortion under a compromise:
>no more free shit for jobless parents
>can't feed them don't breed them
>>69407851
Hey fucko, he never said jail. Punishment can mean a lot of things.
I'd have to read up on the laws prior to Roe, but I'd imagine the doctors were the ones who got the tougher sentence.
Keep in mind, abortion and birth control have directly fed the fuel air bomb of degeneracy. They aren't good things.
The best way to limit them however is to give people a real state in their future and their country. A practical scenario is significant economic growth (and organic equitable distribution of economic welfare). My pro-life friends do not get this and think picketing will solve things.
Ultimately, there's not much we can do in this Brazil style disaster. Certain 'vibrant communities' will continue hardcore degeneracy and shift the explicit and implict bill on the productive/semi-responsible ones. Without defined communities, we are are never going to feel a stake.
Eventually the US will have to partition. If Hispanics want to run California like Mexico, fine. Sleep in that diseased bed. The bigger problem is what to do with urban areas.
Anyway, this entire abortion debate is a huge bait to gin up hysterics from dumb, easily led women.
>>69421070
*a real stake in their future
>>69418637
>so you admit your goal isn't to reduce the amount of abortions - it's to punish women who behave in ways you don't approve of?
That is what the law is for m80. This isn't an anarchist society
>>69407851
Anyone that pushes punishment on women for doing illegal things gets my vote. No exceptions.
>>69412051
I know like 10+ people arrested, charged with under 30g's. Separate incidents
Can someone prove to me, with science, that a baby is not alive while it's in its mother's womb?
[spoiler]Oh right, science is sexist. Sorry.[/spoiler]
i don't really understand the argument how abortion is not killing. isn't conception ipso facto when life begins? isn't killing just preventing something from growing further?
but my stance on the matter is as far as killing goes, killing fetuses is the least violent way to do it. So it's not so bad. i think that's where both progressives and conservatives fail. they both won't admit the obvious -- abortion is killing, and it's not that bad of killing.
>>69420920
Agreed. Tired of seeing 15, 20 percent of the women I went to high school with have two plus children with no dad and no income. Then act like it is some kind of requirement that I bust ass to help pay for it. What a joke.
>>69421252
the purpose of criminal law is not to punish people with different beliefs
the poster i responded to did not want abortion to be illegal because he thought it constituted murder. he wanted it to be illegal because he didn't want women to be promiscuous. it would be like arresting everyone who drank mountain dew because i didn't like the color green.
>>69421702
It depends how you are defining alive.
The contrived mental gymnastics required to arrive at the conclusion that a zygote isn't a human child are extremely tiring, but they do it.
>>69421852
Yeah, I agree it is a neccesary killing imo. If parents arent ready kill the baby. It is the logical thing to do.
>>69421926
Closer to stopping people drinking mountain dew because it's causing them to go on a murderous rampage or something.
He isn't trying to reduce female promiscuity just to be a dick, there are justifications for it. Even if you don't like those justifications.
Does Trump even give a shit about abortions? To me it seems he's just talking about it to steal Cruz-votes, but I doubt he's going to do anything about it once in office.
>>69407851
>question is: If abortion is made illegal should women be punished for having abortions
>well yeah, they broke the law... ?
>OMG TRUMP WANTS PUNISHMENT FOR WOMEN WHO GET ABORTIONS!
>>69408308
Well, if the government bans something, what follows is a punishment for doing the banned thing. Can't argue with that.
That's how the system works.
>>69422058
No, they don't. The conclusion is simple: Liberals are evil beings and deserve the gas chambers.
>>69422288
> it's causing them to go on a murderous rampage
sexual promiscuity does not solicit murder, not matter how many supreme gentlemen argue otherwise
>He isn't trying to reduce female promiscuity just to be a dick, there are justifications for it.
none that rise to the level of compelling government interest. you can't take away a 4th amendment right just because women having sex makes some men upset.
>>69413173
He's gonna lose so bad u nigger. Will you kill yourself if he loses?
Damn, I just saw this on the news here, they shown a video (for some reason media here love to bash on trump whenever they can but I can't really see anyone caring, I don't know why they do this). I went on /pol/ right now, and turns out, as expected, that the premises of the clip were cut.
I wonder who is behind this.
>>69422673
>sexual promiscuity does not solicit murder
Yes, abortion is only a medical procedure after all. Nice and dehumanised. ;^)
>none that rise to the level of compelling government interest.
According to you. It's leading to the erosion of marriage as an institution, something that underpins the family, which is the building block of our societies.
>you can't take away a 4th amendment right just because women having sex makes some men upset.
Sure you can. Laws that are causing problems can be and are often repealed.
you can't take away a 4th amendment right just because women having sex makes some men upset.
>>69423773
>According to you. It's leading to the erosion of marriage as an institution, something that underpins the family, which is the building block of our societies.
this is your opinion. there is no evidence whatsoever showing promiscuity increases "erosion" of anything.
i posted above actual facts and statistics that show making abortion illegal is harmful to society as a whole. in addition, abortion is a right, and it takes much, much more than your feelings and opinions to deny people their rights. just like how my feelings about the color green cannot deny people their right to drink mountain dew.
>>69424272
>there is no evidence whatsoever showing promiscuity increases "erosion" of anything.
Sure there is, they just don't show you it.
I'm pro life but I'm not stoppin a dumb cunt that will make her womb barren using abortion add birth control
>>69424272
>claiming a grid fetus to be alive is feelings
Nah nigga it's science
No, your body, your choice, but people shouldn't abuse the system and should be more responsible.
>>69412548
>moral relativism
>>69425166
A fetus is not your body. You can't decide to breed and then kill your offspring.
>>69424502
first off, congratulations on finally using evidence in your argument.
second, sorry that won't cut it. correlation is not causation. and even if it was, divorce itself is a choice. freedom of association is a right protected by the first amendment in the states. the husband has no right to "marriage stability" if the wife doesn't want to be with him anymore.
you can't deny a women her fourth amendment right to abortions because some men want to stay married forever.
>>69407851
>mfw conservative pundits like Dana Loche will be critical of trump because of his stance which is in fact conservative
I can hear her now
"Someone that says this is unelectable"
Meanwhile she and the rest of the gay blaze gang blow the rat some more.
>>69407851
I'm convinced at this point Trump is running a phony campaign. Go look at all his political perspectives prior to his campaign, he was hardcore democrat.
>>69409931
In what state is it difficult to buy condoms?
>>69425424
>ah these numbers don't matter but mine do despite the ability to state statistical critiques
He isn't arguing that they do. He's just proving that people who fuck a lot of people tend to be unfaithful you cuck
>>69425424
>thanks for using evidence
>but I'm going to reject it using standard denial technique number 1
Correlation does not guarantee causation, but it does very heavily suggest it.
I would suggest that it's screwing with this for the reason why:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond
It affects your ability to form meaningful romantic relationships due tyo desensitisation. Much like someone who masturbates too much will soon become unsatisfied with normal porn and much keep getting kinkier to get their rocks off, until eventually real women just don't do it for them any more.
>>69425646
>He's just proving that people who fuck a lot of people tend to be unfaithful you cuck
being unfaithful is not illegal, and is absolutely not a reason to take away people's rights
again - you guys feel being promiscuous is bad. this isn't criminal or justification for making something that would be otherwise legal criminal. your feelings are irrelevant.
>>69425551
Wow I did just that and now I'm a CruzMissile
>>69407851
Other murderers are punished.
>>69425965
>absolutely not a reason to take away people's rights
Why?
>you guys feel being promiscuous is bad.
No, we believe it to be so and backed it up with evidence.
>your feelings are irrelevant.
And yours are?
>>69416158
Guttmacher is literally a pro-choice advocacy group. There the same ones that said that 1 in 3 women have had an abortion.
>>69425955
>It affects your ability to form meaningful romantic relationships due tyo desensitisation.
people don't have the right to "meaningful romantic relationships". people do have the right to associate with who they want, and to have abortions.
>>69426310
they cite everything at the bottom
>>69426170
i don't think you understand what a "right" is
>>69426502
So basically your argument is to point at the law, say "that's the law", state that it's perfect and immutable, then reject all other points of view entirely.
Basically that your regime must not fall and we should stop opposing you.
>>69425280
I disagree, a fetus is a part of your body until a certain period.
>>69426502
Rights come with responsibilities. And since no one, or at least an inadequate amount of people are not holding up these responsibilities, whether we get our way or not, their rights will be lost.
Feigning moral faggotry for something which is self destructing, and will very much take you along with it, isn't a virtue.
>>69414262
>comparing an action that sustains life to one that ends life
This is how liberals rationalize
>>69416151
This. They can't allow Trump dominate their wombs with his patriarchal might.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-regarding-abortion
>https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-regarding-abortion
Awoo
>>69407851
>break the law
>implying this should go unpunished
It doesn't matter whether you agree with abortion or not, the equality of the law means you get punished for breaking it, whether you think the law is just or not.
Very important question:
Did Trump actually say anything about sluts going to jail?
>>69427050
OP is a lying cuck derail this bitch.
>>69427097
No.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-regarding-abortion
>>69427097
No, he said that if laws were implemented, sluts should get some punishment.
It's a non-issue being blown up.
>>69427259
Get your facts straight you stupid leaf. It's the DOCTOR that gets in trouble.
IF
IF
A law was passed by state or congress.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-regarding-abortion
>>69427374
Who cares, it's still a non-issue.
>>69425965
Being unfaithful is not illegal
It can be in a legally binding contact.
>Already doing poorly with woman vote in an election where you will be most likely facing a woman nominee from the Democrats
Is this man actually suffering from mental retardation?
Trump is literally only good for maymays, he developes down-syndrome the second you ask him for policy.
>>69426766
and your entire argument is
>women having sex makes me feel bad, therefore they should only have sex when i say so
people should be allowed to live their lives how they want, so long as they aren't causing physical harm or impediment to others. the fact that women want to have sex is not harmful to you, and you should not be able to prevent them from doing so.
>>69426861
>Feigning moral faggotry
that is what you all are doing
people can associate with whomever they choose. you can't tell them otherwise.
>>69427533
yes, but we aren't talking about civil contracts. the original discussion was about making abortions illegal because abortions might encourage women to be more promiscuous.
>>69411347
>Things that are illegal do not necessarily have to be punished.
Unenforced laws are the death of society.
>>69408308
Isn't that, essentially, how knowledge should work?
>>69408308
first post best post. I like Trump but holy fuck this was retarded. I can only hope he said this to pander to the far-right.
>>69422537
yeah but he also ENCOURAGED banning abortion.
a good portion of /pol/ tards are libertarian until personal freedoms get in the way of your Jesus. I'm aware that /pol/ isn't one person though... hopefully a majority of you are rational.
>>69411347
Also look up how Canadians and norgs are treated in their own countries.
>>69428106
I think what he meant was that if someone /pol/ likes says something dumb, they'll go ahead and let the cult of personality rationalize any dumbass shit they say.
The "can't refute" part refers to not being able to deny the existence of that person's dumb opinion/quote.
>>69427700
No, my argument is that promiscuity is harmful to our society, so to minimise it certain restrictions be in place so that should someone partake in it they are not absolved of the consequences of their unwise actions.
Can the client/perpetrator bail out with a reasonably heavy fine?
>>69407851
I hate the way that the little video summary was outlined. It basically laid out everything that involved women without giving the full story and it cut out his responses to them. Really deceptive and you can tell how people fall for the "Trump hates womym" meme.
Honestly though, Trump sounded like he doesn't give a shit about abortion beyond his personal belief that he wouldn't let anyone he knew do it. Wouldn't be surprised if he made abortion legal, but then simply showed his disdain for it, or maybe if he made abortion a choice for the states to decide.
I really couldn't give less of a shit about abortion though. It's the least of the world's problems. Outlaw abortion when the population looks like it's about to be in decline.
The conclusion I get from all this is a thing that we already know: media is retarded so liberals are. A sanction has two ways of acting: to punish the infractor of a law and to prevent others from doing it. The debate in here should be the legislation about abortion. Talking about if a criminal should punished is delusional.
To clarify things, I'll give an example. A woman that aborts after 8 months should be punished? Following the media narrative, no. Following the logic: the woman that makes a thing like that is inhuman and also a criminal, so she should be punished.
>>69428213
Being allowed to kill your kids is a necessary personal freedom?
>>69416158
>makes it less safe
This is great, all the degenerate whores and niggers will start dying trying to get abortions.
>>69428106
Yes. If we can't refute something, then it's true until otherwise disproven as new evidence comes to light.
>>69415977
Is clarifying a statement that was taken out of context considered damage control these days?
>>69428648
That's what I hate about the media these days. If you're an ignorantfag, the media just tells you enough to manipulate your thought. For that reason, I'll need to watch the entire rally.
BUT BASED OFF OF WHAT'S READ, it makes me think of women who go out for a mega chain joyride and get preggo and abort and preggo and abort, rinse and repeat. But yeah, most importantly: RALLY FIRST.
>>69407851
Doctors should.
>>69428694
necessary in what way? To live?
>>69428697
Abortion should be mandatory for degenerate whores and niggers.
>>69426951
you are one stupid motherfucker.
>>69428213
To kill somebody is not a personal freedom, that's the point of the prolife. But I guess you're too retarded to understand the other's point of view.
>>69412216
>>69412473
>>69414202
>>69415320
Stop seeking validation on the internet
>>69428697
Which means the children you're supposedly trying to save die too you retarded mouthbreather.
>>69429295
I'm not trying to save niggers or "white" trash babies that are probably half nigger or spic most of the time.
I thought we already punished them for illegal abortions. I'm actually upset that we don't punish them in some way. I like trump more and more every day.
I want Trump to win, but it really feels like the campaign is going down the drain. I feel really discouraged today. I keep expecting him to evolve into this better candidate, but he keeps doing and saying stupid and immature shit and unlike begore it's affecting the polls now. That retweet of Heidi, followed by that week of inactivity for people to dwell on it, followed by "he did it first" childish shit, followed by wanting to punish abortion seekers. If he loses WI it's going to a contested convention and I guarantee he won't get the nomination if it comes to that.
>>69409129
>muh fetus is a baby
America is doomed.
>>69428952
>>69428694
okay well since I'm still waiting on my answer, I'm gonna go ahead and say that many of our freedoms aren't "necessary". But that hinges on what you're definition of "necessary" is.
>>69429133
>Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation.
There is no consciousnesses in a fetus until the third trimester, which, for the most part, is already too late to have an abortion anyway.
We just watched the last chance of him being elected in the general go down the drain.
What a dumb shit thing to say. Time to 4 more years of Democrat
>>69429724
A fetus is a fetus, but it still is human life. When you abort you're killing a human. So fuck off, illiterate cunt.
"I love murdering"
- Democrats
>>69429803
And who fixed consciousness as the differential point? You mean it is morally correct to kill somebody while he's unconscious?
>>69428565
You have not proven that promiscuity is "harmful to society" by any actionable metric.
>>69429384
THEN KEEP FUCKING ABORTIONS
>>69430026
I think the idea is behind abortions "just because" versus abortions because of rape or something.
>>69407851
Ethically, he's right.
But Abortion is a necessity if we want limit the birth rates of groups that have a tendency to flood the streets with crime and welfare recipients.
>>69407851
Anyone who saw that interview could obviously see that the reporter was a blatant merchant.
>>69407851
You are killing something for no valid reason. You should go to jail. If you kill an animal that happens. Let alone a human being.
>>69407851
Asking a hypothetical question and get a hypothetical answer means that he wants to implement his hypothetical answer.
>>69409437
Abortion IS murder you tard.
>>69430091
>hurr abortion is only right when it's a nigger
either you're pro-life for everyone, or you're pro-choice. pick one
>>69429995
Surely you must recognize the difference between a sleeping consciousness and a fetus that doesnt have even the structure to give rise to the consciousness?
A more accurate comparison would be with the fetus and a brain dead person in a vegetative state.
>>69429995
no but it would be morally correct to pull the plug on someone who's braindead since you're not fucking alive when theres no brain activity
>>69429996
Oh have I not?
Promiscuity is correlated with increased divorce rates and I gave you a mechanism by which it does this, divorce leads to broken families, broken families leads to broken children which leads to those children becoming criminals and if you can't how crime might be bad for society you are a lost cause...
>>69430077
Why?
PREDICTION: this is the first gaffe that'll really stick, since Trump is playing to the general election audience now.
Self-stumped.
>>69407851
I think this just proved once and for all he's just in this to sabotage the GOP and confirm a Hilary presidency. You literally cannot defend what he said.
Now say it with me: President Hillary Clinton, you good fucking goyim
>>69430298
>either you're pro-life for everyone, or you're pro-choice
says who?
fuck off nigger lover
>>69413362
Trump flips so much he might as well be a big old pancake.
Okay, I saw the video. I think he's playing the "Any Publicity is good publicity" card. We won't know until we hear more from him. I got a feeling he's going to use this act to wafflestomp his competition.
>>69430430
Yes you can. Anyone with a functional brain can.
But commies andn liberals lack such a thing.
>>69421702
Its alive, and human, thats an objective fact
The question is really are we okay with killing it, and that answer is yes. Women think emotionally so if they dont have an emotional attachment to thier unborn child then its easy.
Of course, a women who wants to give birth and has a miscarriage - thats the end of the world
>>69430298
Tell that to Israel.
I wish Trump was pro-choice.
People should be able to make family planning decisions and make the mature choice that they are not qualified to be parents at a given point in time. We are rational creatures and if people realize they cannot give a child a life with 1) both parents 2) food and shelter 3) a good education they can choose to wait until they can. We can also personally practice eugenics! Holy fucking shit you dumbasses! You all want to talk about your third reich fetish, well, soon people will know if the child they are carrying is inferior or worth having reducing the rate at which birth defects and genetic disorders may be expressed.
Abortions must be legal if people want to be able to not have a downy/severe autist/crippled etc. person and put the burden of care on others. If you have a child with a severe disorder what do you do when he is bigger than you and you're still caring for him like a toddler? What happens when he or she is 30 and you are 60 and can no longer care for your child? Other people have to take over.
We cannot euthanize undesirable people. It can't be done people will not stand for it. Abortion is the only option and it must be preserved.
>>69407851
Yes, they should get punished because it's illegal, retards.
>>69430342
> I gave you a mechanism by which it does this
No. You linked a wikipedia page and gave your own untested opinion about how promiscuity affects pair bonding.
> divorce leads to broken families, broken families leads to broken children which leads to those children becoming criminals and if you can't how crime might be bad for society you are a lost cause...
So you think that if you ban abortion, people will suddenly start having less sex, will start making great decisions in dating as a whole, marry better people as a result of not dating (see: fucking) more people.
You are basing everything off of the outdated and unsupported assumption that promiscuity damages the individual by default.
>>69430611
Abortion for medical reasons like birth defects was a thing in fucking Nazi Germany and USSR. Nobody really is stupid enough to deny that.
But when you fuck with some and don't take precautions you should deal with the consequences and not do something moraly abhorrent.
>>69409931
Horseshit.
Anybody old enough to even know what condoms are can walk down to a gas station or corner store and buy a box
>>69430311
I know it's different, but we could apply the same logic to the fetus: if you wait, it will have consciousness. Because it has not the structure, but is as sure that he's going to have it as it is that the unconscious man will recover it.
So if the point that legitimates to murder him is that he has not, at this exact moment, consciousness, the comparison is right.
>>69430783
It worked for us during communism. Lack of abortion and hard to get divorce after children led to people being less retarded about sex. It was the only thing commies did not fuck up.
>>69430812
Clump of cells does not equal a person to me.
No problamo
>>69430611
>We cannot euthanize undesirable people.
Thats literally abortion you pleb.
>>69430315
You're alive as long as your system is able to mantain the homeostasis.
>>69430957
It doesn't have to be a person. If it's alive and a member of the animal group it still has some rights. Unless you are telling me it's legal or moraly right to kill a dog for no reason.
Moreover it will soon be a person. And moreover you can't kill someone who for whatever reason loses the faculties to be considered a person.
>>69430901
The unconsious man has a consciousness already and is undeniably a person. The fetus may yet be, but IS NOT YET.
>>69431119
take the cells out and see how long they last
Also wasn't the question about illegal abortions, like back alley abortions with hangers and shit?
>>69430914
>people not being able to cancel having kids or leave each other sure made people stay together because of their kids!
Haha oh wow. What a happy and well matched generation of parents that must have been
At the end, abortion is just another step in the forced path of grown adults becoming childs tutored by the almighty state.
The difference between a kid and a man is that you have to deal with the consequences of your actions.
>>69431262
It made people a lot more fucking careful about fucking.
Also I can say the same thing about modern whores who never ammount to anything in life besides a used pussy.
Of course. Abortion is a denial of individual rights, and therefore wrong.
>>69431153
> And moreover you can't kill someone who for whatever reason loses the faculties to be considered a person.
>If it's alive and a member of the animal group it still has some rights.
According to...? Humans can decide if there should be more humans. We can always make more. Canceling one at the very start is no loss.
Euthanasia of the brain dead is very much a thing
>>69431477
Just because you think it's a right, doesn't mean it is.
>>69431437
>Also I can say the same thing about modern whores who never ammount to anything in life besides a used pussy.
Wow dude way to wear your insecurities on your sleeve.
How are we going to build enough prisons to house all the Black, Latino, & Poor White Women?
>>69431552
Acording to your own nation and most civilized nations.
Also you can't euthanise someone who temporarily has lost his faculties.
Also another point. It's illegal and you can go to jail for damaging Bald Eagle eggs. A dumb bird has more rights defending it than a human.
>>69430783
>No. You linked a wikipedia page and gave your own untested opinion about how promiscuity affects pair bonding.
Then I guess a study should be performed. The central point though is that it DOES correlate with divorce. Correlation /= causation, rejected out of hand doesn't cut it here because I'm not comparing Somalian piracy to tectonic plate movement, it's sex and marriage - two intrinsically linked concepts.
>So you think that if you ban abortion, people will suddenly start having less sex, will start making great decisions in dating as a whole, marry better people as a result of not dating (see: fucking) more people.
Yes, as Romania pointed out if there are real personal consequences for an action, people will be less willing to participate in it without proper consideration. This is also demonstrated by the fact that the sexual revolution was carried off of the back of abortion and the pill.
>You are basing everything off of the outdated and unsupported assumption that promiscuity damages the individual by default.
It is not unsupported, and the current year has no bearing on the truth.
>>69431631
Says the guy scared of being "tied down by kids".
Projecting much?
>so close to securing the nomination
>goes and shoots himself in the foot like this
>>69431843
>temporarily
NOOOO SHIIIIIT
>A dumb bird has more rights defending it than a human.
Humans are not numerically endangered
>>69429995
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia
As for it being moral, I consider it to be a situational thing. It's moral if there has been some kind of prior consent. My father, for example, told me if anything were to happen to him, I should advocate for pulling the plug. Someone with the hope of surviving, though, should of course get to live out the rest of their days in whatever state they're in.
A fetus, on the other hand, has never experienced consciousness. They hold absolutely no utilitarian weight. Would you rather have poor or young parents raise degenerate offspring? Or burden our foster care system with even more children? Of course birth control and condoms should be the first line of defense when it comes to unwarranted childbirth, but as >>69417148 pointed out, some laws can affect abortion AND access to contraception.
There are also quite a few studies, in multiple countries, that possess evidence of abortion lowering crime rates. I've seen arguments AGAINST such studies, but I'm just saying both sides have cherry-picked evidence to back them up.
>>69408485
Or rape by blacks?
>>69431230
Yes, he said if abortion is illegal and women get an abortion anyway then they should be punished.
>>69431419
>The difference between a kid and a man is that you have to deal with the consequences of your actions.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-baby-subway-restaurant-20160215-story.html
>West Covina police on Monday arrested a woman accused of giving birth in a Subway restaurant bathroom and leaving the newborn in a toilet, authorities said.
You cannot force some people to give a hoot.
>>69431160
Well, we can use the "may be" for the man regaining consciousness too. He is a person as a consequence of he being a person before he lost consciousness, but while he hasn't it, he's not a person.
Can you assure that he will regain it? No, but it would be the natural process. Can you assure that the fetus will have it? No, but it would be the natural process.
>>69432030
>A fetus,
experiences pain during an abortion, true?
>>69431941
So you agree with me since a fetus won't stay a fetus for long?
Multiple nations where abortion is legal have to deal with severe population decay. With them being way below replacement rate.
>>69431883
>rejected out of hand doesn't cut it here because I'm not comparing Somalian piracy to tectonic plate movement, it's sex and marriage - two intrinsically linked concepts.
I'm not dismissing it out of hand. I'm saying it is still unsupported. There are a huge ammount of factors that effect ones descision for divorce. Again, you do not have a study that shows correlation.
>>69432175
>he being a person before he lost consciousness, but while he hasn't it, he's not a person.
This does not follow at all. "being unconscious" does not equate to "not having a consciousness"
>>69432172
I think the sociologic approach is the only valid point to defend abortion as a temporary solution. But the fetus not being a person argument is just a meme.
Sure there are grown adults not willing to assume consequences, but you can't make rules based on exceptions.
>>69432190
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/health/utah-abortion-law-fetal-pain/index.html
>(CNN)Utah will now require doctors to provide anesthesia to women having abortions at 20 weeks of pregnancy or later.
The law, which experts say is the first of its kind in the nation, is based on the scientifically disputed notion that a fetus can feel pain during the procedure.
>The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, which represents 58,000 ob-gyns and partners in women's health, said medical best practices should be free of politics.
>The group cited a rigorous 2005 scientific review published in the Journal of the American Medical Association that said fetal perception of pain is unlikely before the third trimester and no studies since 2005 demonstrate fetal recognition of pain.
Literally 1 day ago.
>>69432190
only in the third fucking trimester, when it's too late (in most cases) to get an abortion anyway.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/does-a-fetus-feel-pain-at-20-weeks/
>>69432448
>temporary solution
what is the long term solution?
>>69432414
Promiscuity erodes the family unit.
People want to have sex with whoever they want, however long they want, so instead of focusing on building a family and getting married with a significant other, they wait until they're in their 40s, they never want to have children or stable relationships because they want to keep sleeping around forever. So they don't get children at the optimal age to have a healthy child, and when they go get children it often leads to broken families, divorces, unhappiness, single parenthood, etc.
Banning any sort of abortion isn't the solution to that though.
By the way, Trump already retracted that statement, so it can't be used against him effectively. And all he said is that if you do unlawful, illegal things, you should be punished by the law. It's not the outrageous statement people want it to be.
>>69432498
>>69432464
ok thanks, was just curious where the pro abortion camp stands on that concept
>>69432592
For more recent stats.
>>69432414
It's not equal, but the results are the same - unconsciousness - the argument given to legitimate abortion. Also, you talk as if consciousness was 1 and uncosciousness was a 0. It's more complex than that.
And you can't deny that we can compare a unfunctional consciousness with a consciousness being constructed.
>>69432448
Society taking care of unwanted borns.
>>69409129
Can you walk me through a day in the life of a retard such as yourself?
>>69432464
>20 weeks
Perfectly reasonable. You have 20 fucking weeks to make your mind up you idiot bitch.
>>69432448
How should public policy work to reduce the demand for abortions?
Off the top of my head:
>Mandated early sex-ed and dissemination of no-cost female/male contraception
>More funding and subsidies for adoption
>More direct child-care help (via nutrition, daycare, Pre-K, etc.)
>Nationalized Orphanage?
>>69432779
That would mean that society as a whole doesn't want the child. When in reality a whore doesn't want the child.
Even if he was taken by the government and never adopted he can still help society.
>>69432030
As I've said, I'm ok with approaching it as a sociologic problem, even though I don't think abortion is a right thing to do.
I agree that a miserable life could be worse than a abortion, too.
>>69425166
If you had sex and got pregnant then you obviously made that choice along time ago when you decided not to use a condom/pill.
>gets raped
>try's to get an abortion to avoid having Tyreese's baby
>gets thrown in jail
Only in America
>>69433001
But we don't know if it will be miserable. Life is way to long and full of random things to predict such a thing.
>>69432592
>>69432691
These are good points,
the consequences of unrestrained procreation has lead to diminished social values
>>69432976
>tfw even my local news station is running this story as a headline
>>69409437
Seriously. The last thing we need is a bunch more fucked up poverty kids.
>>69432779 was for >>69432571
>>69432841
I specially like the second, I think the third is right if the problem is not being able to take care of the children, and the third if it can work for the children. To be alive with a not so good childhood is better than nothing.
About the first, I don't it's right to completely unattach sex from procreation. But as a practical solution, it could work too.
>>69432939
Yes, but if his mother doesn't want him, she could make his life miserable. So we let the whore without the children, and the children can have a normal life.
>>69433419
> Funding stuff
That is not what taxes should be used for.
If you want charity then fine but don't give the government more money and duties. They will just fug it up.
>>69433086
Well, if your fathers don't want you, is going to be hard most of the times. It's true too that the acceptance of abortion makes parents that would raise their children right even if they didn't want them at the moment tend to kill the fetus.
So yes, in this case, life wouldn't be miserable, it's just the parents being lazy.
>>69433062
Why do I think that's how his presidency will go?
he is talking about ILLEGAL Abortions
IE; Backyard Abortions
That are unsafe
IE, Sticking a coat hanger up your cunt, to kill baby.
The reason he is bringing this up, is to get votes from anti-abortionists then just turn around & say that he was only talking about the illegal ones.
IE, sticking a coat-hanger up your cunt
>>69433615
I agree. Exemptions and making it faster would be better solutions.
>>69433664
> Fatyers
Unlike the degenerate west we don't allow fags to marry or adopt.
BTW, for all these "TrueConservatives™" who say that Trump supports "New York Values" about Abortion, he is the ONLY candidate I can ever think of who supported a litmus test for a supreme court appointee based on abortion.
THAT is real pro-life. Not all this stupid pontificating about the sanctity of life like Reagan/Bush/Cruz when you won't appoint a justice who says he/she will vote to overturn roe v wade. NONE of these "muh values, muh sanctity of life" republicans have EVER said they'd have a litmus test
>>69433904
kek yes, it's just that in spanish -I'm a spaniard- fathers and parents is the same - "padres".
>>69433836
I don't think the problem lies in funding per say. But the society and it's taboos going to shit. Because if there was more stigma and social pressure people would be less stupid about it.
Anyhow it looks like pro abortion commies have been BTFO and retreated to pleb.bit.
>>69434045
Planet parenthood is bullshit, yes. Procreation is a biological process, it comes when it comes, it's your responsability to assume it. People tend to forget we are animals. So yes, I agree, making it a normal thing is not right.
It's hypocrite when liberals talk about minimizing suffering on animals while they have no problems with killing humans.
>>69434772
planned*
>>69432839
I agree that it's plenty of time. But pro-lifers can't try to say "they can feel pain" to ban abortion outright, ya feel me? It's still somewhat important to know that the 20-week pain threshold is under dispute--the reason being that we can't make laws that are based on lies. It's a matter of principal.
24 weeks seems to have more evidence to back it up.
>>69433001
okay, that's cool. I just want to re-emphasize my point about fetuses having never experiencing consciousness though, since you were debating it with others. Taking the life away from someone who's unconscious is not the equivalent of simply keeping consciousness from coming into being. The fetus had no desire to live, ever.
also, >>69431186 kinda rekt you a lil bit. It took me a while to realize he meant battery cells and not biological cells though.
>>69432592
I appreciate you for saying banning abortion isn't the solution! But Trump did say "you have to ban it". I like Trump, but that was ridiculous. The fact that he retracted the statement so quickly, though, makes me wonder if he just said it to pander toward the far-right.
I think he also only retracted the statement about punishing women, right? I don't think he retracted the statement about banning abortion.
>>69435085
kek, i meant to say "principle" of course.
also, please let me know if the "you have to ban it" quote is taken out of context.
>>69435085
>But Trump did say "you have to ban it".
"Banning abortion" works on a spectrum. Of course even a lot of liberals will agree to ban third-trimester abortions for example.
>makes me wonder if he just said it to pander toward the far-right.
>I don't think he retracted the statement about banning abortion.
Once we reach the general, it will be be Hillary vs Trump. Hillary will definitely be the pro-abortion candidate, and Trump will have to be the moderate anti-abortion candidate to get the large amount of votes from evangelicals, conservatives, etc.
>>69411222
Your trips are a poofter
