http://www.climatecentral.org/news/antarctica-at-risk-of-runaway-melting-20189
So what do you think about this /pol/? I personally don't believe that much in climate change, but wouldn't it be better in general is we started to use more clean and renewable energy so that even if this were real, we'd at least not take the full damage and live in a cleaner environment? I'm mainly talking about Thorium and nuclear fusion reactors, but those are a long way off. I don't agree with completely shifting to clean energy either, since that would be a major socioeconomic burden on everyone.
What do you think we should do about this?
>>69397180
Why is this bad?
Its just made-up bullshit, all the scientists get their money from government grants, so they obviously are going to say shit like this so that they keep getting their money .
Government is at constant war with business, it wants to be the most powerful. How people are unable to see government using scientists and """ anthropogenic warming """" as anything but the control tactic it is is beyond me.
bump, i just want to hear more of your opinions on this
>research shows
>according to projections
>studies suggest
WHY CAN'T THEY JUST SAY "ANTARCTICA IS FUCKING MELTING GUISE HERE SOME ACTUAL LIVE FEED VIDEO OF BIG CHUNK OF ICE MOUNTAIN MELTING"
>this is where we finally make our /pol/ony
Truck yeah
Scientists aren't honest enough to admit that the earth is flat so why should I listen to their bullshit about global warming?
>>69397727
>Its just made-up bullshit, all the politicians get their money from oil industry lobbyists, so they obviously are going to say shit like this so that they keep getting their money .
>Business is at constant war with government, it wants to be the most powerful. How people are unable to see politicians using manufactured uncertainty and """ climate change skepticism """" as anything but the control tactic it is is beyond me.
>>69397180
Why would you presume that our energy usage affects the climate? You do know that the Earth is currently still in an Ice Age and normally the poles are not ice covered, right?
>>69397180
Sounds like bullshit
>>69397180
And in the 70s the scientists were warning about global cooling
And scientists changed from using the term global warming to climate change when there started to be a cooling down trend.
>>69398313
Except businesses give us everything we have, including the society in which we live and which the government lords over. Do you realize that the amount spent on climate-change denial advocacy is a drop in the bucket compared to the fact that the entire higher education system and government research system is geared toward promoting the anthropogenic myth? If anthropogenic believers get their way, we get a whole new regime of regulation. If that myth is dispelled, we get to continue living in the post-industrial revolution society we already live in, which already provides enough for us and the lives we're accustomed to.
>muh evil CO2~!!1!
Decades ago a group called the club of rome decided to control the world through a global threat, real or imagined
>>69397180
James Hansen predicted part of NYC would be under water by now.
None of the other warmist predictions have come true. Why should I believe this one?
>inb4 muh consensus!
>inb4 SCIENCE!
It's all political theater bullshit. Only a dramatic increase in solar output could melt Antarctica. An increase so large that we would have a lot more to worry about then "muh melting ice!"
a friendly reminder to everyone:
Antarctica has enough coal reserves to power the planet at projected energy needs for three centuries or more.
This doesn't take into consideration the natural resource reserves still locked under ice.
Antarctica is a basically unexplored continent that contains human artifacts that will completely revolutionize our understanding of ancient human history.
It is being covered up and information is tightly controlled, but basically the landmass is nearly untouched, a new world with all its mysteries and wonders yet to be uncovered.
The ice melting will make this land accessible, it will happen and you should be excited about it.
I want global warming to happen, can you imagine living in an icebox for 8 months out of the year?
Fuck you guys.
So much for the /pathoflight/ crowd, eh?
>>69397180
Since /pol/ told me climate change doesn't exist this must clearly be God's work.
ie: solid evidence God exists.
>>69398065
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU
>>69401293
What? You think all of the pollutants we're releasing into the atmosphere aren't doing anything? We've been doing this for 80 years now of non-stop emissions, it's got to be doing something and whatever it is can't be good. Also we've been able to observe that the Ozone layer has severely depleted and that the temperature are indeed trending upwards, whatever that scale might be or whether it is cyclical on a cosmic scale is irrelevant. We should be doing whatever possible to ensure our planet is healthy or we simply die with it.
>>69397180
If global warming is real, I don't care. Canada will only benefit.
>>69401319
>The ice melting will make this land accessible, it will happen and you should be excited about it.
Sure, and how much land will become uninhabitable due to desertification or flooding.
>>69404445
I don't care. Canada will become a superpower.
>>69404597
Not when the USA steamrolls you for your habitable land.
>>69404959
>Implying that the USA won't have fallen apart by then...
>>69403846
I need more evidence than that.
Climate change is real.
The weather fucking changes
Humans do not have as much of an effect as these pseudo-scientists believe.
Besides, the warmer climate is resulting in better crop yields.
>>69405553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anfbjiShjP8
>>69406001
Climate != Weather
>Humans do not have as much of an effect as these pseudo-scientists believe.
Wow, so says the armchair scientist.
Soon the world will look like this:
- all land gone
- only Netherlands survives because muh dykes.
>>69397180
Climate Change is very real. The world needs to shift away from non-renewable energy anyway, might as well do it over time, it's a win win.
>What do you think we should do about this?
I'm going to let my daughter sleep with my wife's African American son. I believe a more diverse worth would be a lot 'cooler' in general. I think a 'cooling off' of racial tensions would be good for OUR environment.
>>69406518
it used to look like this
>>69406001
>warmer climate is resulting in better crop yields.
Is it?
I thought plants did best with lots of sun but cold temperatures?
>>69406518
I kek'd
>>69406243
How do I know this is real if eyes aren't real?
>>69397180
Nuclear reactors don't produce air pollution, the little nuggets can just be stored away. They can also be broken down to release energy in different types of reactors which aren't as common simply because there aren't many nuclear reactors
>>69401319
>>69399263
Because nothing could go wrong by letting businesses operate without regulation :^)
I'm sorry you're scientifically illiterate. Have you ever read a scientific paper? Do you know what a peer-review means? Are you implying that the majority of the scientific community from independent institutions throughout the world are secretly colluding to fabricate data? Do you know what a greenhouse gas is and how they affect climate?
>>69407004
Florida is THICK.
>>69406457
But climate does equal weather you dumb ape.
What do you think it means/
We better build more windmills and solar panels then!
Oh wait, that won't do anything. But some companies will make a lot of money!
>>69406001
>Besides, the warmer climate is resulting in better crop yields.
tell that to California.
>>69407832
Climate is weather over time you retard.
It doesn't work the opposite way, if it rains one day in the desert does that mean that the desert all of a sudden have a tropical climate?
Climate dictates weather, weather does not dictate climate. They are not equal.
Figures a mouth-breathing retard doesn't believe in climate change.
>>69397180
I smell kikery
>>69407832
Did you graduate high school? Srs question
>>69408196
>>69408425
>Climate is weather over time you retard.
So why are greenies circlejerking over how a warmer climate is going to fuck up the weather
No anons, you are the retards.
The only thing I worry about is some ancient bacteria getting unleashed.
>>69408196
Climate includes geological and cosmological events too which weather does not so you are by definition very wrong.
>>69408606
Any ancient bacteria will get ass-raped by modern antibiotics.
>>69399263
By the way, business doesn't give us what we have. Science des that bucko. Business merely finds a way to profit from it. Were the scientific advancements that allowed you to shitpost on a cantonese knitting forum also based on liberal conspiracies?
>>69407832
>americuckold """"education""""
The Piri Reis map from 1513 shows the Antarctic coast with vegetation and no ice. Clearly, Antarctica is an ever changing continent.
>>69408657
>>69408504
>>69408196
>>69407832
Alright rates. Climate are the long term temperature and precipitation patterns of a given area. Weather describes the current atmospheric conditions of a given area at a particular moment in time.
Damn they should do a flyover of Antarctica to demonstrate
Oh wait they will NEVER do that
Ask me why
>>69407984
Wow, so I guess since we're all going to die we might as well do whatever we want. You're right though that the long term solution does not lie in windmills or solar panels, the real solution is Nuclear Fusion which might be off into the distant future. We need to buy time for this technology to come in.
>>69408504
Because the climate is weather over time, are you dense? If it starts raining less in one region then the climate has changed. The climate changes as a response to factors such as how hot it is, the climate dictates the weather.
>>69408657
What? If a meteor hits the fucking planet it will drastically alter our climate and then by extension our weather.
>>69408504
>le velocity is distance over time you retard
>what do you mean a larger velocity is going to change our distance are you a fucking retard stop circlejerking
>>69409064
Forgot to post pic
>>69409069
Retards* fucking auto correct
Top fucking kek. Antarctica is no where close to melting. I mean how is Antarctica melting when the much warmer area surrounding the Antarctic has had growing sea ice for years?
I fully support renewable energy but at the current rate renewable energy like solar power has no chance of fulfilling our energy needs.
Hell that huge solar energy plant in California (or Arizona) can't remember which state just asked for a big bailout because they couldn't meet the energy needs they promised
Can't say I'm not surprised. The icecaps will melt, it is no longer a matter of if and more of a matter of when... Our oceans make it harder to heat the global temperature, but once you pass a certain limit, it becomes harder to return to 'normal'. Ironic when America doesn't give a shit and we will be fine with our resources and armies. China and India will collapse when their cities are underwater and they have no water and food.
Hopefully we can fix everything before we reach the runaway greenhouse effect.
>>69408714
Not when it could potentially be something we've never been exposed to or have no resistance against. Why do you think we still scrub everything we get back from space?
>>69409081
They do scientific flights over Antarctica often for data collection and mapping.
>>69409142
There's just something about old maps that is amazing.
>>69409397
Cool let me see one
Please post a vid
>>69409397
What are you TALKING about? Scientists are an illuminati conspiracy to allow the Jews to take over the world. I can't believe you fell for the hoax
>>69409142
The people who made that map had never actually been there though.
>>69409353
>Not when it could potentially be something we've never been exposed to or have no resistance against.
That's not how antibiotics work.
>>69408504
Jesus Christ man kill yourself.
If the planet heats up to a high enough average temperature over time (aka climate), the polar ice caps can melt resulting in a rise in sea levels. It's not that hard to conceive that ice melts at a high enough temperature. If the sea levels rise, certain cities can be swamped. Current estimates have the sea levels rising 2 meters by 2100 which is, apparently, enough to swamp some eastern cities. If the sea levels rise high enough it would be a huge emergency.
>B-But muh war against business
This is the dumbest argument. Explain to me, without memes or logical fallacies, why the government would benefit from oil companies going under.
>>69397180
the best part about science is even if you dont believe in it, it is true
check the data involving acidification of the ocean and ocean specific heat
but it wont matter you have to be somewhat educated to understand the material anyways
keep on trucking pleb
>>69403846
Antarctic==/Arctic
The arctic has been in the warm phase of the AMO for a long time. It should be expected that the ice extent decreased
>>69410094
It matches the coast of the continent that's currently under a giant iceshelf as confirmed by satellite imaging. This map shows them sailing through the coast with diverse wildlife on Antarctica. No ice.
This shouldn't be a major surprise, though. The Earth literally changes so fast.
>>69410016
http://youtu.be/anfbjiShjP8
There you go mouthbreather
>>69397180
Good. Let it melt and flood coasts everywhere in the world and reduce world population.
>>69397180
Anxious to see what's beneath the ice of Antartica to be quite honest with you family.
>>69397180
Lies.
The ice packs on Antarctica and Greenland are growing.
>>69410488
>It matches the coast of the continent that's currently under a giant iceshelf
Not really.
It's not even in the correct location.
>>69398425
Why would you presume that our energy usage doesn't affect the climate? You know that it's been shown that gases such as carbon dioxide and methane - which are put off by our energy usage - increase the amount of solar energy - heat - that gets trapped in the atmosphere rather than escaping back into space, right?
>>69406518
>- only Netherlands survives because muh dykes.
what about New York and LA?
>>69410848
Sea ice is thin and seasonal, it's not the same as the land ice that's hundreds of meters thick and takes hundreds or thousands of years to form.
>>69411100
I don't think those extra traces of green house gasses amount to much.
The serious question is what does anyone serious tend to do about it? Even in the most liberal of countries they haven't been able to convert to renewable. Obviously there must be something economically inefficient about renewable energy if it hasn't happened yet.
>>69411434
Remember Katrina?
America can't build dykes.
>>69397180
Anyone who actually believes in Man Made Global Climate Change is a mongoloid and should be gassed for the sake of our species.
>>69411518
>extra traces
>traces
Do you really have no idea just how much CO2 we've put into the air in the last 200 years?
>>69406457
>Typical retard noises.
Hey, dumb fuck, we only CARE about the fucking weather and NEWS FLASH, Earth has changed a BUNCH OF TIMES over the past few BILLION YEARS!
Kill yourself.
>>69411592
Good one m8
>>69397180
It's on the bottom of the world, who cares?
>>69411516
So if I say that land Ice(glaciers) in greenland are decreasing but say land ice in Antarctica is increasing would you disagree with me?
Since sea ice in the arctic is most certainly decreasing but sea ice in Antarctica is most certainly increasing
>>69411767
The retards are really out tonight
>>69411666
C02 is literally less than one tenth of 1% of the atmosphere. It is you who is retarded
>>69411518
Most countries don't care since politicians only care about the present. They won't be in office or they'll be dead when there are consequences.
Look at runaway greenhouse effect. It is what led to Venus transforming into a hot, humid, ocean less planet. Eventually there is a point where the process runs away and the oceans boil into the atmosphere.
>>69411853
1. Climate Changes. Nobody is arguing against that. Earth has not always been as it is now.
2. Man is not the cause or, did we time travel to make things warmer for the dinosaurs?
3. "Muh Socialism" (as proposed by the U.N. to fix the "Climate"), is the most retarded answer anyone can offer!
4. If this bullshit is REAL, why did Al Gore buy a fucking MANSION on the California COAST?!
>>69411853
Glaciers are decreasing on both poles. Sea ice is too dynamic from year to year to be a valid indicator of a long-term trend.
>>69397180
Sounds good. We need to get boots on the ground and we can turn it into the ultimate anti-liberal anti-cuck paradise.
Think of all the unexploited resources on this untouched continent.
>>69412563
Please let NYC and CA drown!
>>69412143
Human activity in the last 200 years has nearly doubled the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, to levels higher than they've been in hundreds of thousands of years. Just because CO2 makes up so little of the atmosphere by volume doesn't mean it has no effect. An effect that we've increased by a huge amount.
>>69410549
Do you know what a flyover is?
hint: this isn't one
>>69407537
Underrated post
>>69412689
Fuck off, Al Gore.
>>69412206
Venus atmosphere 96.5 CO2.
average temp at the surface 864
Mars atmosphere 95.97 CO2
average temp at the surface -67
top kek
>>69412869
>They do scientific flights over Antarctica often for data collection and mapping.
>Cool, show me one
I showed you one. Concede to your retardation. You're not alone.
>>69397727
In what country is government at war with business? Your fucking delusional. Business has already won over large sectors of government. They have one of our two major parties for example. It's even worse with your country, where corrupt politicians like Hillary shill for giving the government power to aid business.
Climate change is a serious problem. There research is there. All you need to do is find one of the tens of thousands of climate scientists (all paid off right?) and get them to sit down and explain this shit your stupid ass.
>>69398261
Look at this fucking post. As if my body can contain that much cancer. At least you guys aren't focused. Please remain impartial to this, the last thing we need is you faggots memeing climate change into obscurity while it continues to happen.
>>69397180
Good. Maybe it'll drown all those coast fags and japs.
>>69413110
>MUH religion is REAL!
No wonder the emus ass-raped you faggots.
>>69412924
Mars has virtually no atmosphere
Venus has an atmosphere so dense George Lucas tried to bottle it and sell it
>>69413097
>I'd like to see a flyover vid over Antactica
>>here's a vid that shows aircraft barely delving off the coast
Gee thanks, sport
>>69412924
I assume you're aware that Venus and Mars are different planets at different distances from the sun, of different sizes, and completely different atmospheres. So I'm not exactly sure what your point is.
>>69412689
yes and what has it done to the environment?
fucking nothing.
also:
volcanoes
sea vents
natural carbon release
>>69412143
>C02 is literally less than one tenth of 1% of the atmosphere.
Which is exactly why it's possible to double or triple it with human activity.
>>69412924
There's a different between the runaway greenhouse effect and the degassing effect. I won't go into the science for your sake but Venus has a denser atmosphere with a different combination of spectra compared to Mars. Mars was small and its gravity couldn't hold its atmosphere. There's also the distance of the Sun and the change in its temperature to take into consideration.
>>69413527
Literally read the comments champs. I quoted them for you. You wanted to see a video of a scientific flight over Antarctica. The reading comprehension level of this board is mind-blowing
>>69406001
White people are adapted to cold climates
>>69413685
>volcanoes
Always this argument.
Humans emit more than 100 times more than volcanoes do.
Volcanoes aren't burning oil pits.
>>69397180
ITS NOT FOSSIL FUELS
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT.
We are coming out of an ice age.
That's it.
The seas are, on average, high as fuck, compared to where they are now because the earths median temperature, dating back as far as scientists could drill in Antarctica, is way fucking hotter than it is now.
>CO2 is at an all time high!!!!
That's because vegetation has been suppressed since the start of this bitch-since before humans.
When the earth returns to its median temperature again, the coasts will flood, vegetation will flourish, humans will drop significantly in numbers and the earth will balance out again.
If you think that our little cars have any effect on the most complicated system known to man, you're fucking nuts, batshit insane.
Saying humans caused this equated with humans believing that they are the center of the universe.
WE ARENT SPECIAL.
We're just pawns in a game much, much larger than ourselves.
>>69413685
Good goy :^)
>>69413685
http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/
>That huge spike at 1950 is totally natural, guys!
>>69414164
>1950
yes because this is the exact moment fossil fuels were being used
not the 50 years before oh no
>>69413906
nice anecdotal
>>69414018
yes good goy
believe the environmental alarmists so you must be regulated accordingly
send us more shekels to fund our 'science' we'll settle it for you
>>69408025
>tell that to California.
California is drying up because they build giant cities in the desert while living off the foresight and infrastructure of the previous generation, who built massive dams and reservoirs. Not only has no new water infrastructure been built for decades, but the greens are actively working against it while at the same time forcing millions of gallons a day be poured into the ocean to save a fucking fish while the farmers die out.
California's problems are entirely predictable and man-made. Eventually the most productive farmland on earth will dry up, and someone politically connected will buy it up at a steal, and then petition to have the water resources restructured.
>>69410381
>implying humanity ever puts the stop light in the intersection before the kid gets hit
No one is gonna do shit until actual, awful things happen. Fuck off, hippie.
Geologist here.
Here we go again.
Climate change is real, man made, and dangerous.
Questions?
>>69412903
>My argument doesn't hold up. Resort to insults.
That's you, friend. Kill yourself.
>>69413858
So you don't know what a flyover vid is
No big deal anon, just chalk it up in your daily loss column if you still have room and move on to the next argument you will invariably lose
I was actually excited to see a flyover vid, thanks for nothing
>>69414578
What's it like to be a massive faggot?
>>69414449
>it's volcanoes
and you're argument is done
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/isotopes-how-do-scientists-know-that-humans-cause-.html
>>69414449
You're the best goy ITT
Keep believing the pundits on Fox News who are paid off by the oil industry, keep voting for the politicians who are in their pocket
>>69414578
What methods did you personally use to verify such claims? As a geologist
>>69397180
Is that out past NOAA?
>>69414699
You replied to this poster >>69409397 by asking for a video. I provided you with one that depicted a scientific flight over Antarctica. Don't try to rewrite history when the evidence is right there m8, it's pretty embarrassing and I'm embarrassed for you
>>69414578
>Geologist here.
Were you not paying attention in class or what? Do they "teach" you the new age religion of AGW in geology now? This propaganda is getting out of hand, we know they want a global hydrocarbon tax, why all the bullshit?
>>69413540
my point is C02 concentration doesn't control the temperature of your planet
>>69414894
>90% of the global scientific community
>>69414751
hey remember the ice age that 'scientists' said would happen in the 1970s
the science is settled
>>69414894
>man we sure have limited funds
>i bet if we scare people into believing some climate scare we could get more funding
>>69415092
Context is important
Read the entire thread next time before thinking you could possibly be useful
>>69415274
Specificity is more important. You didn't do very well in English class did you? Or any critical thinking class for that matter.
>>69414751
>how do scientists know
1st: they don't all agree.
Specifically, the ones who's paycheck relies on it, believe it 100%, the ones who make a living otherwise, do not believe it.
It's a true lie for money. They can't receive gov grants without finding "evidence" that supports the claim.
Money talks, and senpai, it talks loudly.
>>69414449
>anecdotal
Do you even know what that word means?
>>69397308
Because rich liberals own a lot of ocean front property. You would think if they were so sure of the rising water doomsday scenario, they would buy property inland, but they don't. Investments reveal the truth.
>>69415174
>man we sure have limited funds
>i bet if we scare people into believing some climate scare we could get more funding
Of course, screw those scientists, clearly the ones being paid big sums of cash by oil companies are the honest ones. After all, even if the 90% of scientists were right and we screw up this planet we can just move to Mercury or something.
I'm kinda curios. do nigs actually think Antarctica will melt?
I can assure you with damn near 100% certainty that we will be just fine.
The sea has been rising or like ten thousand years. are nigs on the coast honestly surprised by this?
>>69397180
Put some ice on it. It'll be fine.
>>69415391
A flyover vid is as specific as it gets
Do you know what a flyover state/country is?
Fuck it
>>69414943
Personally? I've worked in research before (right now we're working on centimeter DEMs of fault displacement) so I know how the scientific community works better than pretty much anybody here.
Personally? I read scientific journals among other things.
Personally? In college I took physics, astronomy, advanced meteorology, oceanography historical geology, petrology, and stratigraphy which put together pieces of the puzzle and leave only one conclusion.
This is the energy balance equation. It's basic physics. So basic you have to throw out Einstein's theory of relativity to deny it. It basically proves greenhouse effect and has been well known science for decades.
http://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ees/climate/lectures/radiation/
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2002Q4/211/notes_greenhouse.html
http://www.geo.utexas.edu/courses/387h/Lectures/chap2.pdf
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~eps5/lectures_2010_F/lectures_3-4_radiation_2010_F_update.pdf
http://www.uvm.edu/~bbeckage/Teaching/HCOL_185_2014/Lectures/hcol_lecture.energybalance.ppt.pdf
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/environ/envphys/pdf/vadose_pdf/Lecture14_15_Spring2004.pdf
http://www.public.asu.edu/~hhuang38/mae578_lecture_03.pdf
Your arguments amount to deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp
This needs melting, anything we can do to help? It's been growing, ice age inbound. Again. Ice ages are becoming more frequent. They are dangerous!
Yes, we can have cleaner fossil fuel but a global tax will fix nothing except line the pockets of the new age climate priests and corrupt globalist politicians.
>>69415115
>C02 concentration doesn't control the temperature of your planet
Not concentration, no.
But total amount of CO2 does.
Mars has a very thin atmosphere - its 96% would only equate to about 0.6% in the Earths atmosphere.
>>69414894
If you think oil company lobbying budgets can ever compare to government funding, you are insane. The latter literally prints the money.
>>69416274
>the government prints the money
>what is the Federal Reserve?
I hope it melts a little desu. Then maybe it might be slightly habitable. Antarctic colonization when?
North pole too.
No, i don't think we need to save the polar bears and penguins.
Both these animals can swim, and can just keep moving inland towards solid ice or landmass. They aren't in danger of dying out, despite what they want you to believe.
But even if they were in danger of dying, polar bears deserve every bit of it because they are remorsless killing machines.
>>69414449
You must have the world's best eyesight if you can clearly see intervals of 50 years on that 400,000 year plot.
>>69416380
Banks controlled by the government who create money on demand and give it to? You guessed it, the government. Inflation is taxation.
>>69416455
A warming of the Northern Hemisphere would only be positive for the largest two countries on the planet.
Canada and Russia have so much useless frozen land I am actually shocked they aren't all for a warmer world.
>>69415115
Your point is wrong. CO2 isn't somehow not going to affect the earth just because there's also a fuckton of Oxygen in it too.
>>69416856
I am. We'd rival Russia as the most powerful country if global warming happens as projected.
>>69416657
>give it to? You guessed it, the government.
Nope.
Fed lends it to normal banks at interest.
Those banks lens it out to individuals.
Individuals can lend it to the government.
SOMETIMES banks lend directly to the government, but this is highly controversial.
And the central bank (money creator) doesn't do this.
>>69416117
>>Your arguments amount to deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp
>>1 post by this ID
Fuck off.
>>What methods did you personally use to verify such claims? As a geologist
So...research, like pretty much everyone else with an opinion?
If global warming is real then why do I ekep seeing infographics on /pol/
>>69417126
>>>Your arguments amount to deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp
He's right though.
>>69416630
yes just like how 100 years of CO2 makes any difference in temperature like a true scientist
:^)
>>69417275
When that 100 years of CO2 amounts to more CO2 than the previous several millenia, yeah it makes a difference. Why is this a hard concept?
>>69417249
What arguments? I'm still learning both sides.
>>69416927
an increase of C02 concentration will increase the temperature of the planet. I don't think it will have anywhere near the affect that climate scientists think it will. call me a skeptic but I don't think current climate scientists have anywhere near the amount of knowledge about how the earths climate works to create a model predicting their models outcome
>>69417698
>What arguments?
That's what he means: you have no argument.
>>69403900
I vote we die with the planet. At least when us whites go the rest of the world is fucked
>>69416117
>worked in research before
>know more about scientific community than anyone here
Wew
I agree about the warming but what an amazingly cocky assertion
Literally no extensive background go get your PhD to begin as a fledgling in the real scientific community and realize how little you actually know
Reminder that if all the ice melted in Antarctica nothing of value would be lost
>>69397180
No we should use renewable enegies for the reason our money doesnr go to shitskisn this is the biggest argument for climate change
>>69414578
On 4chan I can pretend to be whatever I want too
>>69397727
This answer should end this thread. Spot on.
>>69397180
Also idk whx global wRmin is such a hard conecept for some conservatives
I mean i am conservative tiv too hut not ratrded likr you how can you be so rtarded?
>>69417126
>I do not understand how the sun can heat up the Earth
>I do not believe in the Inverse Square Law
>I can't do basic algebra
YOU
remember that huge solar plant that was burning birds alive with their mirrors?
not only does it get way less energy than predicted it also needs huge subsidies just to stay in the bird killing business.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/20/local/la-me-bigsolar-20120921
>>69418649
this.
>global warming is probably not even manmade
>it's going to occur very very slowly
>even if there is an out of control meltdown of the polar caps it will detroy all the liberal shitholes
>>69397727
So they are enginering the largest conspiracy the world ever saw, with hundred of thousands of participants, so that they can jeep receiving 40000 dollars a year?
Ok, truly the human mind is capable of the greatest amount of idiocy.
And not to mention that oil companies would pay millions to the scientists that could prove that climate change is not man made.
>>69419437
Your worldview is ridiculous if it can be summed up by that picture.
>>69419503
>even if there is an out of control meltdown of the polar caps it will detroy all the liberal shitholes
Are you not seeing this as a problem? They'll all move to where you live and turn THAT into the shithole.
>>69419857
i thought this was clear
human effect is real but its not the cause of the big changes, the big changes are cyclical and we cant do shit but digging a hole, which is literally what armies all along the world have been doing for the last 70 years and using UFO paranoia to cover the truth
>>69418649
I get it now. We need global warming.
It solves the black problem in the US.
>>69399263
>Except businesses give us everything we have
?????????
It's the other way around mate. WE give bussiness everuthing they have
If tomorrow bussiness all disapeared, we would still be here. If we disapeared, they would be gone the same second
>>muh evil CO2~!!1!
This is what happens when scientists explain concepts in pop science
>>69419437
>remember that huge solar plant that was burning birds alive with their mirrors?
No?
Fucking cool though.
Where can I find a video?
>>69405165
Implying what rises from the ashes won't be 100x more powerful and aggressive when the limbs are gone
>>69417023
So you are saying budget deficits are not paid for by the purchase of government bond debt by the Fed? You really think it is private citizens loaning their government money in this situation? Your mental gymnastics and money laundering mindset are delusional.
1. Government runs out of money, tells Treasury to make more.
2. Treasury creates bonds, which are nothing more than paper.
3. Fed buys treasury bonds on the "open market" with money that does not exist until this purchase happens.
4. Who gets the newly created money? Why, the people who created the bonds! Government.
Check.
>>69420083
My worldview is realistic. The world can't run on solar or wind power faggot. Not even close.
>>69420083
>keeping shitholes around is better than destroying them
>extra CO2 means the end of all life on the planet
>thousands and thousands of years of evolution and general climate shifts don't mean a thing, only the last 100 years matter
>fuck sun cycles, volcanoes, ozone, the need for energy, methane it's humans
>you can't do anything about it anyways and the alternatives are just as bad
I don't understand you people at all
>>69406796
stop with the cuck fetishs, it's disgusting
>>69407832
lololololol
>american education
>>69420572
>You really think it is private citizens loaning their government money in this situation?
Yep.
Why else would the US government have to pay higher interest rates when investors lose confidence?
>>69419037
Projecting this hard.
>>69420364
Ivanpah Solar plant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emBY6phmn9E
I'm certain there are better videos but this was my first answer
>>69420580
>The world can't run on solar or wind power faggot. Not even close.
What? Obviously. I meant your idea that somehow scientists are just lying for money.
>>69420584
>extra CO2 means the end of all life on the planet
I didn't make this claim, but you shouldn't count it out as absurd. Certainly there is a level of CO2 that would do that.
>thousands and thousands of years of evolution and general climate shifts don't mean a thing, only the last 100 years matter
We've done a lot in 100 years. Why would you deny this?
>fuck sun cycles, volcanoes, ozone, the need for energy, methane it's humans
>>69414164
>you can't do anything about it anyways and the alternatives are just as bad
There's plenty you could do, and nuclear is way better, go fuck yourself.
>>69420938
>no footage of birds on fire.
shame
>>69397180
Nuclear and renewable energy has to be the way of the future. Very low environmental impact and that means our environment is nicer to live in unless you think Chinese cities have a nice ambiance. It will only get worse in the future.
Climate change happens without humans but every scientific model shows that we are speeding it up. The only thing in question is how much we are speeding it up by.
I don't think most people realize how serious climate change is. The seas will literally become giant acidic cesspools filled with swathes of rotting dead fish. This happened before.
>>69412143
Ok, go inhale 0.005% of your body weight in ricin. I'm sure you'll be fine, it's literally less than 1% of your body.
>>69421349
I'm sure you can find some. If I remember correctly I'm pretty sure I saw footage of birds sparking up mid flight
>>69421505
>CO2 is the equivalent of ricin in anons mind
>>69421755
You claimed nothing that made up less than .1% of something could be harmful. He picked the most obvious counterargument. I would have used it before, but I knew you'd immediately go "CO2 isn't poison, you retard" and I'd have to give this explanation.
Wait, how much of Antarctica doesn't have land under it?
>>69422020
Most of it has land.
>>69421384
When this happened, 60% of all species dissapeared on earth, and the large animals almost completely.
All the deniers think that if this is real, that they will have bezhes closer to home and they won't be so cold in the winter
>>69421949
I never claimed that. comparing C02 in the atmosphere to ricin is laughable. Earth is not warm because of our C02 concentration. that's all I was saying.
We might be very slightly warmer because of a higher C02 concentration, but the difference is so small it's basically useless info
