>be STEMfag
>have shit 9 to 5 job
>work to make Mr. Shekelstein richer
>only knowledgable in numbers
>make a bit more money from working much harder than liberal arts majors
>government takes your money because of tax brackets
>spend spare time trying to make up for inferiority on anonymous message boards
>be Liberal Arts graduate
>world is your oyster
>all-around knowledge
>don't have to work for Mr. Shekelstein
>have more free time to enjoy other pursuits in life
>get paid less but also work less
>life in general is better
It's no coincidence that the "muh STEM" meme gets rammed down everyone's throat yet barely anyone wants to pursue STEM related fields.
Why haven't STEMfags killed themselves yet?
>>69384080
This thread is b&, but I'll bite.
>add 5 years to both scenarios
>STEM person has climbed the career ladder and is making considerably more money
>Liberal Arts tard has had 3 jobs and some part time jobs at Starbucks, there as been no significant pay raise
>>69384288
You forgot about the part where the liberal arts major gets a job in teaching and is now in a union, where he can't be fired even if he's extremely incompetent/lazy.
Meanwhile, the STEMfag has been fired by Mr. Shekelstein and is now homeless while his wife is being banged by the liberal arts major during his vast amount of free time.
>>69384599
>men who study liberal arts
>anything over the rank of "beta"
lol
>>69384080
Let me check my school's employment statistics on the latest outgoing class.
>90% of business students are employed, 5% went on to further education, 3% did other shit, 2% seeking employment
And liberal arts class
>62% employed, 25% continuing education, 10% other (e.g. sitting at home not looking for work), 3% seeking employment
Even the Engineering school has worse statistics.
I do business with a STEM twist so I'll bite on OP's premise: STEM is hard in school and there is a serious effort to outsource the jobs to lower paid people like was done with many libarts degrees to illegals. Except with STEM, it's the abuse of a legal system (H1-B visa).
>>69384851
Keep telling yourself that, Mohammad.
We all know you went into STEM because you're bad at interacting with people.
>>69384599
Hahaha stem job for the government I'm in a union get a pension can't be fired and make more than liberal arts major
>>69385035
You forget that many Liberal Arts graduates to on to become lawyers or other high-paying occupations, hence the 25% continuing education.
While STEMfags work hard for 6 figures a year, the smart Liberal Arts graduate can earn upwards of a million via graduate school all while working half as hard.
>>69385041
I'm in finances and made lots of money with the stockmarket some years ago.
I'm pretty good at talking with people, and I don't remember (or haven't noticed) something as degenerate and jewish as "liberal arts" in Austrian universities.
>>69385557
>lawyers
>high paying
Are you meme'ing, right? Grad school is a bitch, law school as well.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/15/pf/jobs/lawyer-salaries/
Particularly in law there's a shitload of talent compared to few positions. Especially after everyone said
>shhhh, no tears, survive 2008 recession by getting a law degree
>>69385416
That may be true, but you actually need to work for your money. So sad that your autism prevented you from getting a Liberal Ats degree, your life could have been so much better.
STEM major? Wow, good for you, takes a lot of logic and skill.
Would be a real shame of Pajeet and his crew came in willing to work for less...
>>69385792
As usual, STEMfags are blissfully unaware of reality.
The number of people attending law school is shrinking. Now's a great time to go in.
>>69384080
>Why haven't STEMfags killed themselves yet?
i work from home and make $200k/year
>>69385663
Have fun getting replaced by 3rd world migrants or machines.
>>69385794
>$40k a year
>worth bragging about
Go ahead, find me a high paying LibArts jobs.
>>69386146
>>69385792
>>69385416
Don't worry guys OP is just a shill.
>>69386257
>sandniggers
>doing math
kek
>>69386146
My bullshit meter is off the charts.
It's so sad that you STEMfags need to compensate for your inferiority by lying online.
guys this b8 is fucking eastern European tier retarded
why the fuck are you guys biting???
>>69386302
Lawyers
Teachers
Psychiatrists
Researchers
Historians
Translators
Diplomats
Politicians
The list goes on and on. Oh, and they don't need to work a job that makes them want to kill themselves.
>>69386457
>STEMfags try to shut down threads that expose their retarded life choices
>>69386768
most of those aren't even libarts fields, and the ones that aren't are the only ones with actual job markets and good median salaries
do you even know what liberal arts is?
>>69387111
Those are all jobs I can get with a liberal arts degree, with the exception of lawyer which I would need to go to Law School for. Law Schools love accepting liberal arts majors because they know they can actually deal with human beings and not just numbers.
>>69384080
>>69384080
>studied history
>was the only one smart enough to not limit myself when job hunting
>went through a couple of years of shitty jobs until I got a decent £34k entry level job as a test analyst for a pension company in the city
>all my friends are poor
>one of them earns £14k getting beaten up by behaviourally challenged kids
>one of them only works once a week, on sundays, at a card shop
>one of them puts up fences for a pittance
>one of them is a failed author
>one of them teaches an after school film club
>one of them is unemployed, his fiance is with child, and she works at a care home for fuck all money, living off my charity
>they all blame their poor choice of degree
>mfw
>>69387735
You probably went to a shit liberal arts college that's not even ranked.
Of course they all failed.
>>69386768
>Diplomat
>Libarts degree
You just earned some retardation points.
Diplomacy is its own field of study and some faggy hipster wouldn't be accepted for it. Diplomats are paid government officials.
Also:
Lawyers, historians, translators (study of languages), and psychiatrists are all very different very own fields of study.
My mother is a certified translator and she got that by studying languages in university. Libarts certainly won't get you government certification for translating documents.
>cucking yourself by going to work
I won't have to work a day in my life thanks to my parents wealth.
PS: wagecucks, watch the clock. You almost have to go to sleep because you'll have to get up early tomorrow for work
>tfw liberal arts
>tfw planning on going full neet
I almost killed myself when I graduated magna cum laude with 2 B.S. (electrical and computer eng.) and 2 minors (computer science and math) and 6 pending job offers
because of this exact realization
at one of my internships, my team went to lunch once a month. The 40+ year old men had this EXACT conversation twice, one month apart
>so I think I'm going to shingle my house this summer
>oh yeah I shingled my house last summer after that hail storm
>oh did you get those cedar shingles?
>no no way I can't afford those
>yeah they're nice though they're supposed to last 50 years
>silence for the rest of lunch
These men are truly dead. They walk the same path on the floor to their cubicle every morning, set down their coffee mugs in the same place, hang up their coat, sigh deeply, and sit down at their computer.
They care about nothing in life. They've spent the entirety of their prime wracking their brain at a desk for 8-10 hours a day writing code and designing circuits. They can't even get excited about their kids playing baseball. This was true for EVERY engineer I met save 4 at THREE INTERNSHIPS (each for a different company)
>go upstairs to HR and IT
>people laughing, joking, walking around, talking
>IT guys playing ping pong and watching movies
>IT guys combined their cubicles into a supercube, have 4 TVs, a table for board games, mini fridges, kegerator, flying quadcopters around, go for group bike rides
>HR women are rarely at their desk except for the first hour of the day and first hour after lunch
>women mostly just socialize all day and still get their work done
Having a STEM career is shit. Your life is shit and you come to hate yourself very quickly.
Make your own company or give up STEM.
>daily reminder that a bartender working WEEKENDS ONLY makes 1/2 the salary of an engineer
>>69388332
>talking about the IT guys having ping pong, watching movies, 4TVs, kegerator, etc.
You do realize what the T in STEM stands for, right?
>>69388493
IT is clearly not STEM within the context of this conversation
>>69388112
>iktf
I plan to live with parents and when they die, invest the inheritance to live from capital returns. If it fails and I lose all, then its sudoku.
Although its not just degrees fold, Im generally incompetent and have problem working with people (got very nice part time job related to my field, but hated it, slacked and in end got fired).
>>69388493
STEMfags look down on IT as "lesser" so don't give me that bullshit.
>>69386768
>Researchers
What researcher? This is as retarded as saying "professional expert".
>Lawyers
Lord no. If watching Suits and Better Call Saul taught me anything, it's that you need to be a Harvard graduent or you will be stuck defending gang members.
>Psychiatrists
Scam artists
>Teachers
Teacher for what? For any respectable field, you need a degree in that too (math, english, foreign language). Arts and music teachers are not real human beings and are to be shot on sight.
>Historians
I'm a fucking historian, whithout spending a single day in university for it.
>Translators
>Diplomats
Nigger, I...
>Politicians
This is what liberal art students actually believe. Get a worthless degree, become senator! Oh what, you have to be VOTED in by actual people? Well hot damn, looks like you got schlonged again.
>it's an "OP makes retarded posts while posting smug pictures" thread
>STEM
>somehow got offer before graduation for 95k with renegotiation period at 6 months for ~5-15% pay raise
>no fucking clue what to do with all this money
The only downside is signing a two year contract for a stable 110k two year position as a 22 year old bachelor. Honestly I may not and travel a bit instead with the cash I have lying around.
You have to do what you really want to do. Liberals are often more shit, because it is easier to phony it in and liberal schools are filled with people with no genuine interest in it.
>>69385416
You're a fucking dumbass.
A STEM major for the government is crap pay.
High school drop-outs who become prison guards make $500k.
Physical labor is better than education in the government.
>>69388827
>autism: the post
Keep thinking that T.V. shows are real life, Mohammed.
No, you're not a historian just because you Google things and have watched a few documentaries.
>>69388968
tell me more about this 500k prison guard job.
>>69388332
IT is a STEM field you know.
Currently in a three year programmers thing at UNI called IP, for the 10 years it has been up only 4, yes 4 people, has finished the degree.
Why? Because they get hired after 2 years for almost the same amount of money as CS guys, and by the time the CS guys are done the IP guys are already team-leaders out-earning them.
>>69389071
>No, you're not a historian just because you Google things and have watched a few documentaries.
Neither are the ones with a """"degree"""". Prove me wrong.
>>69389092
And these are just basic correction's officers.
>>69389335
>prove me wrong
You get a diploma from a reputable university confirming that you have completed a history degree.
Boom.
>>69384080
>>69384599
>>69385041
>>69385557
>>69385794
>>69385966
>>69386257
>>69386431
>>69386768
>>69387094
>>69387306
>>69387938
>>69388821
>>69389071
When half the replies in your thread are your own, you know you failed
>believing your major makes any difference
>>69389439
How is this a thing and how have I never heard of it? Dear lord, why even get an education when being a prison guard pays so much?
There has to be a catch.
I got an arts degree, thinking that I'd go to law school. Turns out that it's infested with liberals and you'd only get ahead by working hard.
But I can't work hard in a field where I hate the subject and the people around.
Currently working on my enginerring degree. Don't make the same mistake I did.
>>69389787
There is a catch.
You won't get the job if you're white or Asian.
Well-paying government jobs that are easy are only for blacks and Hispanics for diversity reasons.
>>69389585
Sadly, the STEMfags don't have too much free time as Mr. Shekelstein expects at least 14 hours of work a day.
>>69384599
I am in a engineering union. Liberal arts don't have more unions than us stem guys. Only a idiot takes a job without being unionized.
>>69388891
This. Only people who never had money care about making big bucks. One is more fulfilled with a social life, being independant from others, expanding yourself intellectually etc. Earning money is nice, but as soon as you can sustain yourself and the ones around you there is no point in wasting valuable time to earn more.
I'm rich as fuck but I'd rather be average than rich while working all day. Time > money
>>69389899
It's prison guards, the prison system is privatized. What's the actual catch?
>>69389899
Spend all day with dindus and worry about riots or shankings?
>get IT engineering degree
>can do software engineering
>can do system administration
>can rise to management
>transition to japanese translator and professional anime historian when it gets boring
>libarts majors are long dead from having killed themselves after getting kicked out of their mothers' basements
>>69388332
I know that feel bro
I did not go into STEM after I realized that everyone in my family who went into STEM is an unambitious, boring piece of shit who cares about nothing else but buying useless technological gadgets and consuming any form of media when they're not working.
Not earning a lot of money with art now, but holy fuck I just feel great, I work on my own interests, I don't just work so I can buy a bunch of useless shit that catches dust in my appartment.
Sure there are exceptions, but from my experience, STEMfags are soulless people who have no idea what they are supposed to do except for slaving away and buying shit.
>>69389819
You're a dumb shit if you think Engineering is easier than Law School.
>>69387938
I literally did.
Oh well. I'm a city working cunt now, no time for sympathy.
>>69389787
There is. They are all going to jail.
>>69390009
They're paid by the city.
A dindu friend of mine became a corrections officer recently.
Lots of whites I know didn't get in.
>>69388891
are you working in an expensive city? that would explain the high salary.
>>69388332
yeah it's frustrating. HR shouldn't even exist, they should be fired and their salaries should be given to the people who actually make money for the company
>>69389992
I live 10 minutes from the office and ensure that commute + work time is 8 hours (including my lunch break). So I have plenty of free time. I come home every day to play vidya.
Hell. I'm on /pol/ right now at work. I'm obviously not working very hard.
>>69389585
that leg raise is so cute I want to ass fuck her until she bleeds
>>69390046
>delusion: the post
Mad because Tommy now makes more than you with half the work thanks to his liberal arts degree?
>>69389562
And what do you do with that exactly? Go into arguments with anons on /pol/? Tell people shit they can look up on Wikipedia themselves, while not having to deal with a sweaty and hairy armchair general?
I like history as much as the next guy, but why waste getting a diploma for it? Your degree doesn't make your version of the french revolution anymore correct or incorrect than what Wikipedia or books says about it.
>>69390123
There are degrees of anything. Anyone with two braincells can get a law degree. As can anyone with two braincells get a en engineering degree.
The difference is what happens after. Lots of people with law degrees suck at law and as consequence work for less then what a server makes every day at a Restaurant.
Ditto for engineers.
We produce 300,000-400,000 new STEM jobs every year.
We produce 700,000 new STEM graduates every year.
Figure that one out mathfags.
>>69384080
>be Liberal Arts graduate
fail at life
>world is your oyster
I'm allergic to seafood
>all-around knowledge
about PC, SJW, feminist, white privilege, cultural marxist BS
no knowledge that has any worth or practical use
>don't have to work for Mr. Shekelstein
instead being indoctrinated by Mr. Shekelstein
>have more free time to enjoy other pursuits in life
jobless people tend to have much free time
>get paid less but also work less
I don't know how the shifts are at starbucks
>life in general is better
How?
>>69384599
>its a "lol my strawman bangs your strawmans wife" episode
>1st class physics degree holder from top university
>distinction MPhys
Currently finishing PHD desperately looking for work
Crawling in my skin
>>69384080
>be Liberal Arts graduate
Okay
>world is your oyster
And yet you're here shitposting on 4chan
>all-around knowledge
lmao
>don't have to work for Mr. Shekelstein
lmao
>have more free time to enjoy other pursuits in life
And yet you're here shitposting on 4chan
>get paid less but also work less
And no money to pay off debts
>life in general is better
Pretty damn subjective
How is Humam Resources? Well paying? Im deciding between that and Business information technology.
>>69384080
>>be Liberal Arts graduate
>>world is your oyster
>>all-around knowledge
>>don't have to work for Mr. Shekelstein
>>have more free time to enjoy other pursuits in life
>>get paid less but also work less
>>life in general is better
Unless you're working independently. Studios are crawling with leftist filth owned by the j00s. They effectively run your life.
>>69390302
>that leg raise is so cute
I certainly agree with y...
>I want to ass fuck her until she bleeds
right ... I'm on 4chan
>>69388332
I'm the same guy who posted previously. At 22 I'm working now. The trick is to not work hard, it's to ensure that you seem as if you are working then produce on a schedule you set. Honestly only idiots and idealists push themselves into what you're talking about.
>>69390322
I used my history degree to get into Law School and I'm now making 350k a year while being on track to get partner.
>STEMfags
>>69390341
That means the number of STEM jobs will grow by 300,000 - 400,000
>>69389906
Here for (You)
>>69390341
A lot of people who graduate with STEM dont end up working in STEM.
People transition into management.
People change careers.
People retire.
>>69390505
>debts
You STEMfags clearly don't know what scholarships are.
>>69390341
This is why you shouldn't be average. A bottleneck only matters if you're incompetent and can't get the job you want. I'm in a glutted industry and I have a high paying job because it's easier being better than your peers.
>>69384080
>librul arts major
>be $80000 in debt
>work at starcucks
>>69390656
Sure you are
>>69390656
Well lawyer or paralegal is at least a real job (and the definition of working hard for Shekelberg, the same thing you hate oh so much). I wonder what idiotic school took you in for a fucking history degree though. Whats the connection?
>>69390542
Payed less than engineers. You need to decide if you want that extra money. Of course I think the HR folks have it pretty shit, having to deal with all the fuckers coming through the office.
Especially the college requirement team. I wouldn't go there if they have TWICE my salary.
>>69390919
I'm a lib major and I'm graduating with less than 20000 in debt
>>69384080
>be a self-taught programmer
>flexible hours
>work from home
>high demand means I'll never struggle for a job
>work 20 hours a week and still have a ton of disposable income
>government takes my money because of tax brackets
>spend spare time working on app for a startup of my own
>>69390873
Average debt among liberal arts majors is higher than STEM majors. This is a simple fact, look it up.
>>69391227
>self-taught
>work from home
>20 hours a week
>app
>startup of my own
Disgusting.
>>69391070
Law Schools overwhelmingly accept liberal arts graduates, even Ivy Leagues.
GW Law.
>>69390614
I mean he's not wrong
>>69391227
howd you find a remote job?
>getting ITNA and LA AA degrees in May
>looking at ~40K out of school
>spent half the money because CC
>easily earn 20-40K more in 5 years
>live in low cost of living area
>plenty of IT jobs and many more coming
Suck it 4 year faggots.
>>69390123
What he said.
>>69390337
I doubt I could hack it at law, although I'm sure I could make it through a good law school. But with engineering I have a knack with math, physics and building shit.
I just wish I had thought my degree over more and make sure it's a field you have a talent and enjoyment for. That's the advice I'd give to the 17-18 year olds reading.
>>69391323
Is enterpreneurship now considered disgusting?
>>69391526
Well I did double the schooling and got double your offer, seems about right.
I did liberal arts. Would not do it again. Hope son is a STEMlord.
>>69391084
Im not smart enough to do engineering at a normal college pace. Honestly i dont even know what BIT entails. I have to decide by next semester, kinda unfortunate
>be me
>get bachelors in physics
>commission as an officer in the air force
>be pilot
>good money
>everyone wants to fuck you
>killing shitskins
>great benefits
>feelsgoodman
>>69391621
Meh, I'll easily be looking at double that in a few years. I've only got one certification right now.
>>69391575
When the entrepreneur is a dumb clueless self-"taught" kid with over-inflated ego yes it is.
Most technology startups are like this. Especially mobile trash. I worked for such a start-up for 2 days before deciding they were too dumb to be worth it (on top of that they wanted me to work basically 4free)
Stemfag here. I show up to work whenever I feel like it. Sometimes 8. Sometimes 10 30
> tfw neither
>>69386302
Video game artist, easy six figures if you have experience
>>69391882
Well, someone has to harvest all that maple syrup
>>69391227
Looking to teach myself programming, can you recommend some online resources or books?
>>69392045
>if you have experience
You can say that about any industry
They dont have any jobs other than the 3 part time jobs they now work because of obamacare.
>>69384080
>be liberal art graduate
>work at starbucks or starve
>have worthless knowledge about my favorite hobby
ebin
>>69384080
>Graduate in French with Portuguese because it sounds like there'll be bitches
>Learn politics and history (including the Islamic Invasion of Iberia, which is fucking gold to use in arguments against lefties)
>Don't put effort in, go to less than half of the contact hours per week
>Fuck bitches
>Have part time job (make money)
>Graduate with a Desmond and get into Medical Sales (fuck yeah, more money)
>Fabricate half of my interactions
>On management scheme
I'll admit that STEM is the way I'd send my younger sisters, but a BA in bugger all did me just fine
These threads are ultimately just proof that there isn't enough decent paying work to go around, this will eventually result in the election of socialist parties to high office. People will vote for the politicians that promise to take care of their economic troubles.
>>69385557
>Lawyers
>Work less
Friends father is a top lawyer in Washington DC specializing in government contracts. Guy makes over a million a year, but is constantly working.
>>69392376
Nope. Maybe any free-market, non-government industry. But even then having experience doesn't automatically mean making six figures as regular employee.
>>69387735
As much as I hate London (which I assume is what you mean by The City), I'm interested in your path to test analyst - mind sharing? I'm looking to get out of sales and aiming for other jobs that will slowly allow me to climb ladders
(If it makes a difference knowing where I'm coming from, I'm this cunt >>69392667)
LOL...
I feel so sorry for you college fags.
I dropped-out of high school and found work at the department of sanitation right before the housing bubble burst and the economy went to shit.
I started at $55k and worked my way up to $150k.
I'm going to reach $220k soon.
Because garbagemen are considered "physically intensive" jobs, I can retired 20 years after I started, so I can retire when I'm 37.5 years old and collect 90% pension on the average of my last 3 annual salaries.
I'm going to put in tons of overtime to collect $500k/year for the last 3 years and then retire so I can collect $450k/year every year for the rest of my life.
I have a comfy $60k/year office job from a family friend waiting for me after I retire.
>>69392787
Very high pay wouldn't even be needed if housing wasn't so freaking expensive. I'd vote for a guy that takes care of that. It's been done elsewhere in the world.
>>69389981
Unions aren't very common here.
>>69392793
>Friends father is a top lawyer in Washington DC specializing in government contracts. Guy makes over a million a year, but is constantly working.
Work with/for lawyers, can confirm. They're constantly fucking working.
>>69393210
>16 year olds getting paid 55k to collect garbage
yeah i'm gonna have to call bullshit
>>69393210
And if I sound like a bitter fag, it's because I am.
I fucking hate you college motherfuckers. You made fun of me for being a garbage man, and now I'm making far more money than you ever will while you have a crappy $30k/year job with bad benefits, no pension and no upward potential. Don't forget the $80k+ in debt.
Fucking faggots. I also fucked your wives while doing my daily runs.
>>69384080
>"have shit 9 to 5 job"
at least he has a job.
>>69393490
17.5 years old, actually.
I studied literature. It was fun apart from the onslaught of feminist post modernist crap. My teachers didn't mind you rebutting those arguments in your essays, which I did often. I also wrote my dissertation on conspiracy theories and won an award for it, so they obviously didn't mind a bit of red pulled writing.
I also had lots of opportunities at the end of it and now work in consultancy travelling around the country.
So I got a good well rounded understanding of my peoples history and culture through their writing, and now make a bunch of money after. Stem ain't everything brothers.
>>69393210
This aspect of the US has always fascinated me. I have friends and family in the states doing similar. Is this really a viable option? Fuck me, I wish I'd married that CT bitch now just so I could get a green card and a govt job
>>69393634
seriously, how in the fuck do they just decide to quadruple your salary? I mean it's not like you started collecting faster
>>69393590
Shut the fuck up and go collect more trash, worthless peasant.
>>69393210
here's your (you). /pol/ is gullible and will eat this up
>>69393210
Yeah pussy but you don't get to smoke weed
>>69393780
Unions.
>>69393050
>free-market, non-government industry
So.... most jobs?
>Friend is a comp sci major a few years out of Uni
>25 years old
>Works in Silicon valley
>150k Salary
>Works from 10am to 3-4pm most days
Tell me why STEM is bad again, oh wait. You can't.
>>69393590
>he's going to be a 40 year old garbageman
>>69393896
>getting paid $450K/yr to do nothing the rest of your life
>18 million dollars after 40 years
jesus tapdancing christ that fucking obscene
>>69393698
This was my experience as a liberal arts major as well. Possibly the real shit-tier schools push feminist etc. crap as literal dogma, but any good institution encourages you to question everything.
>>69388968
80k a year never have to do ot unlike a brogrammer who is expected to live in his cubicle, just think when I'm 65 I'll have a pension my 401k from previous jobs SS oh and about 2.5 million inherited I own a house and my total mortgage is less than half a paycheck eat dick. Oh and I spend half my day browsing /pol
>>69394332
Government pensions have COLA.
There's a 5-7% increase per year.
I didn't go to college, so I don't know a simple way of calculating it, but I bet my loser accountant and financial planner makign a lousy $50k/year can do it for me.
>>69393721
It's all supply and demand. I recently read an article talking about how the market is completely swamped with college graduates and there's a big void for dirty work.
As a result, educated people are getting trash salaries (if they have one at all), while plumbers are making $100,000+
>>69393590
Yeah garbage men get to fuck pretty much any woman they see while on their routes. Its a common fact. Smelling like absolute rotten death mixed with indian curry shit get em WET.
Thread posted by a neet liberal arts student.
This is just the wagecuck threads reskinned for /pol/. Are you the same guy or just unoriginal?
>>69389981
>Norway
America is a graveyard of labor unions. The only effective ones that have survived are mainly public sector (especially teachers and gov workers).
>>69394726
There are only 20 people on /pol/. We've all made these threads before
>>69393182
To be honest mate I interviewed for a graduate position at my current company. Competition was fierce, and most others there had better degrees than me (both in terms of relevancy and in terms of grades), but I had confidence, sociability, and most importantly of all, prior work experience.
I was lucky to have worked at Tesco Head Office for a year and a half. During this time, I learned how to deliver merchandising plans to a tight schedule, and got into ad-hoc reporting and basic data analysis.
I also used my History degree as much as I could during the interview. I emphasised that my degree involved breaking down complex sources into easier to understand information.
It doesn't have to be like that though. My friend recently got a job with us, and he did creative writing. His only prior job experience was some on and off work he did for his dad's accountancy company, and a couple of accountancy qualifications.
It honestly sounds like you have the experience necessary to be considered for a similar role. Check out the requirements for some of the graduate positions, and don't be scared to go for them even if you're not fresh (I had been out of university for 3 years, and the most recent guy we hired has been out for closer to 7).
Being a test analyst is a great "middle ground" of IT; it doesn't necessarily require any technical knowledge (such as coding, etc.), but exposes you to certain processes. For example, I know a lot more about finance and pensions now, simply because I must understand my company's processes very well in order to test shit correctly.
There's decent progression paths and specialisations, and if you eventually start working for a contracting firm, you're laughing. You put yourself down as self employed while getting paid obscene amounts, travelling all over the place and expensing fucking everything.
>>69394551
This is incorrect.
Each open garbage man position in NYC gets over 500,000 applicants now.
The government and union makes sure our salaries don't follow the free market.
We should make making closer to $30-50k/year with no pension and only health insurance benefits, but we're making $200k+/year with overtime pushing it closer to $400-500k/year and great benefits with 90% pension plans with early retirement incentives.
>>69394645
Women would rather fuck a smelly piece of shit with 6 packs than a non-smelly fat piece of shit.
>>69395188
>article I read was bullshitting me
Thanks CNN
>>69384851
>be a lawyer
>become a partner
Just chill and do a case every 3 months
>>69391095
I'm a stem major graduate with 0 in debt
>>69395152
Thanks for the info.
Bigging up my degree and not being socially retarded was essentially how I fell into this role. Sadly, a lot of promises were made regarding secondments and opportunities that just don't seem like they'll play off at the moment, hence looking for a move(the UK pharma industry is a shit show right now desu). I'll probably go and have a look around the new grad programmes and see what's going. Cheers.
>>69384288
>Everyone who doesn't go with a STEM major works at starbucks
So there is nobody working in any fields besides minimum wage work and STEM work?
What's it like to be this retarded?
>underwater basket weaving and Tunisian sheet metal origami is more important and useful than STEM
lol okay
>>69393698
>>69394358
Pretty much this. Anyone who says otherwise simply has no idea. Whatever you say in your papers, as long as you can back it up with real research, it's fine.
No, it's more like
>Be STEM graduate
>Work good 9 to 5 job
>Get paid very well
>Paid off student loans
>Working to get Mr. Shekelstein richer is lame but at least I'm getting pretty rich too
>Knowledgeable in my field, only thing that really matters
>Spend spare time doing whatever I feel like it, usually anonymous message boards.
>Be Liberal Arts faggot
>Feminist dance therapy is my major but I also waste daddy's and tax payer money on silly things like art, anthropology and learning Excel
>Finally graduated
>Couldn't get a loan to start a feminist dance therapy business and my apartment is too small to hold classes
>Work at McDonalds
>Protest for higher minimum wage because this isn't fair! Wah!
>>69396153
yep the only liberal arts major is "feminist dance therapy"
kill yourself, faggot.
>>69384851
STEM is literally one of the biggest concentrations of beta men in the world
>>69393210
>Because garbagemen are considered "physically intensive" jobs, I can retired 20 years after I started, so I can retire when I'm 37.5 years old and collect 90% pension on the average of my last 3 annual salaries.
wtf
>not studying pure math
>>69393210
>He's a trash man
Your mother must be so proud.
No amount of money is worth my dignity and happiness. Enjoy your (literal) trash job, HAHAHA
I am about to op, not even lying. My last job was so bad working with a Jew, I just walked out. Fuck that shit, and fuck the director of hr and the CEO for that matter.They caused most of it! Bastered made me shake his hand when I agreed to explain why I left. So sick of this economy and these people, I am so ready to snap and a liberals dick in half. If Trump doesn't get elected and the my life doesnt improve I and shooting up the US mint. Fuck those guys.
>2016
>not just setting up a patreon account to make furry art and become rich overnight
>>69387735
hey, i want to study history
i know it's not the same as in norway, but would you recommend it?
>>69393590
>>69393210
how far up your ass did you have to reach to pull this one out
I'm graduating this semester and have a 160k job lined up at a big tech company. I will be able to retire after 8 years of actual work. Enjoy being a wagecuck until your 60s fags.
>>69384080
Replace "work less and paid less" with "don't work at all and don't get paid at all" and your post is gold.
>>69393210
Fuck off. You are not making half a million picking up fucking rubbish.
Sucks for you. I get more joy out of doing math than anything else in life. I get paid to be a superautist for the rest of my life weeeeeeeeeee
>>69393210
Fuck you, you are trash and nothing will EVER wash that smell out!
I got a BA in Economics, just got a pretty good first job with a health insurance company with a good starting salary. I know a lot of ECEs will start with around 70k, but I'm fine with what I have. Applying for a masters program at the moment.
>>69391524
Control
>>69389439
Those guys must be the Big Cheese at the prison then to make that. If you really want to see what you'd make as a correctional officer, move that decimal the left one spot.
As much as /pol/ likes to meme about STEM, STEM is all calculations and shit and that can be done by computers. STEM majors are increasingly becoming obsolete. On the other hand, you can't exactly automate the jobs of a sociologist, rights activist, or artist. The incredible irony here is the STEM autists would be the ones without a job. For example, one of the single most useful fields of study today is women's studies. Women’s Studies graduates have many career path opportunities to choose from. The following list is only a sample of possible career opportunities.
>Child Life Specialist
>Community Worker
>Border Service Agent
>Community Health Promoter
>Religious Worker
>Social Worker
>Human Resources Diversity Specialist
>Support Worker
>Volunteer Coordinator
>Family Support Worker
>Settlement & Youth Worker
>Corporate Communications Coordinator
>Community Service Agency Director
>Executive Director of a Non-Profit Organization
>Child and Youth Worker
>Market Researcher
>Event Planner
>Librarian
>Advertising Account Executive
>Professor
>Researcher
>School Counsellor
>Special Education Teacher
>Clergy
>Journalist
>Editor
>Lawyer
>Archivist
>Union Organizer
>Project Manager
>Lobbyist
>Policy Analyst
>Foreign Service Officer
>Public Relations Specialist
>Legislative Aide
>Educational Administrator
>Elementary School Teacher
>ESL Teacher
>High School Teacher
>>69401389
Who employs women and gender studies graduates?
>Government and Community Organizations
>Universities and Colleges
>Non-profit agencies
>Religious Organizations
>Mental Health Facilities
>Community Centres
>Behavioral Health Clinics
>Residential Care Facilities
>Corporate Human Resources Offices
Skills developed by women & gender studies majors:
Communication skills:
>Ability to formulate and defend positions
>Ability to write detailed research papers and summarize concepts and ideas
>Use vocabulary to suit a wide variety of audiences
>Read and understand both primary and secondary sources
>Explain concepts and strategies well enough in research papers to influence and persuade the reader
Research skills:
>Evaluate ideas and research
>Gather information and data
>Literature reviews using libraries and internet
>Interpret research and data
Critical thinking/problem solving:
>Critical thinking skills
>Ability to analyze and synthesize
>Ability to recognize assumptions and make inferences
>Ability to create research designs
Interpersonal skills:
>Tolerance of different people and their views
>Ability to understand difference and discover the intersections between racism, homophobia, sexism, classicism, and other forms of oppression
>Knowledge about power relationships and injustice
>Ability to accept intellectual and personal challenges, take a stand and support it with evidence
>Ability to assess needs
Writing/editing skills:
>Reading and thinking critically; using unfamiliar materials and generating new ideas
>Reading and analyzing a text
>Perform a close reading of the text and provide an analysis of the passage
>Able to argue or defend a position
>Correct usage of grammar
>Able to write clearly
source: http://www.utm.utoronto.ca/careers/careers-by-major-women-gender-studies
>>69401389
>As much as /pol/ likes to meme about STEM, STEM is all calculations and shit and that can be done by computers.
You realize you don't just press a button and it designs the product, right? Someone has to USE the computer.
This is some weak bait.
>>69399648
I find starting 160k hard to believe. 110k is about the biggest starting salary readily available without having a serious connection.
>>69401727
Look up the compensation for any popular tech company. Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, etc. They all have above 150k total compensation per year.
>>69401843
Yeah, I know the compensation for Apple/Google/Twitter, they give 110k average compensation for fresh college graduates.
Hell, working at apple or google wouldn't be worth 150k. I can list a large number of the top tech companies as entirely not worth their compensation even if it is that high. Buddy of mine currently works at apple, during crunch time he is looking at 60-65 hour work weeks. They run burn out tactics on their employees and cut them loose when they see productivity drop.
It's a lion's den m8, not worth the effort. I'll stick to a cushy job at 100k and not literally lose years of my life.
>>69402092
Also you should look up the actual compensation. Facebook is on average 105k with a 25k signing bonus. Still, even with your signing bonus, puts you under the margin on your first year.
>>69394536
Jesus, if what you are saying is true then I am definitely jealous. Can you explain stuff like pension and unions and how they help your salary increase
>>69384080
Be STEM.
Love what I do.
6 figures without trying.
Cry more liberal arts fag.
>>69402092
If they are working 60 hours a weak they are a beta faggot who is too much of a faggot to stand up for themselves. No one I know works more than 45, most work 35.
You mentioned Apple. Here is the standard compensation for new grads last summer.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-compensation-package-for-a-new-grad-software-engineer-starting-at-Apple-in-2015
Quora is down right now but when it comes back up you'll see that the compensation is easily over 150k.
Couldn't find a job with my IT degree after college so I joined the airforce.
>>69401389
Underrated post
Enjoy unemployment, STEMfags.
>be STEMFAG
>get a job at a software development company making 61k + bennies starting
>work with other young people with no strict time in time out just get your work done attitude
>work in casual clothes, jeans tshirt every day
>get half day on fridays to develop ourselves on smaller projects that are more about employee enrichment
>one of our friday developments end up being a paid app we put up on google android store
>it ends up being a huge success for our company, the people working on it including me get to manage our little hobby app that we all enjoy working on
>it grosses over $250k for the company, we get 25K$ each profit sharing on the app ( 4 of us developed it ) + 10K bonus during Christmas
>I got 5k$ profit sharing for it last year, app is still growing, looks great on my portfolio, secured my position at my company
I have worked at this company for three years this august and I gotta say, the STEM thing worked out for me. I am currently making 79k and I hope to make more with profit sharing and Christmas bonus this year.
The point of all of this is the following: I was a neet for years, like sit around doing nothing before I graduated and got this job, so I went from being a epic failure to being on track in a relatively short amount of time. If I can make it, we all are gonna make it.
>>69402783
>If they are working 60 hours a weak they are a beta faggot who is too much of a faggot to stand up for themselves. No one I know works more than 45, most work 35.
m8, I hope you like getting let go.
I'll be honest I don't believe you because literally everything I know about the industry says you're wrong. This is coming from someone in the industry working for a large tech company.
Also, more from quora that refutes your claims, as you mentioned facebook:
>https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-typical-Facebook-or-Google-offer-for-software-engineering-new-grads
Also, the link you posted refutes your own claim. Read it again.
>Seems like it's around £93k/$120 USD
>120k
Quite a bit short.
Dropbox looks nice though, but dropbox is one hell of a drug for company culture.
>>69402624
You STEMfags are so delusional.
>liking numbers
How old were you when you got classified with autism?
>>69403472
I read it again, that's their COMPANY average, not their starting. Kek, it's even lower, about the 110k figure I was expecting.
You literally linked something that supported me.
>>69403472
> Facebook: 100k base salary, 10% annual bonus, 240k stock, 50k signing bonus.
That is way more than 150k idiot.
>>69403586
240 stock only occurs over a 4 year period at the beginning of your employment. Average turn over at facebook is 2 years. Don't be fooled ya tard.
>>69403716
You get 60k a year. You don't have to stay the entire 4 years faggot.
>>69403797
Untrue, facebook cuts you off from stock bonus when they cut you loose.
>>69384080
>9 to 5
You understand that's only 8 hour workday, right?
If you're not working 12's, you have no reason to complain.
>>69393210
Do you live in upstate new york
>>69403925
They don't. It's the standard 25% a year with a 1 year cliff. Don't make up bullshit if you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>69384080
>>all-around knowledge
lol liberal arts majors don't know anything, only how to make things look pretty
Must suck to hate your job. I'm a stemfag and love my job. Work overtime all the time, sometimes for free. The pursuit of knowledge is amazing and being surrounded by scientists in their 70s who still grind 60 hour weeks is inspiring
I guess I'm supposed to hate my job cause of Jews?
>>69404870
>Work overtime all the time, sometimes for free
And then you're middle aged and if you have half a brain you finally realize you wasted most of your life giving the Jew free shekels and devaluing yourself, that your life is almost over and that you accomplished nothing worthwhile. But hey, keep pretending if that keeps you sane!
>>69404533
>lol liberal arts majors don't know anything
Really now.
Do you know how to stimulate economic development in developing countries? Explain the process of healing and nation building in post-conflict states. What role do interbational civilian police play in that process? Tell me what the world bank and IMF do.
>>69404130
Doubt it, you can see the salaries of all the employees of New York. See through ny. Highest paid person doesn't even make 700k/yr and that's like the Vice President of stony brook hospital. He's just talking bunch of shit. I know waste management people in NYC they get paid pretty well but it's like 55k/yr
>>69405046
>having dozens of high impact scientific papers
>worthless life
Pick one
>study fine art
>get scholarships, no student debt
>get hired by a professional theatre
>Go to work every day and paint set pieces, make props, build shit
>Smoke weed when I get home
>Fun job, love what I do, okay pay, boss is badass, tools and resources to make stuff, employer gives us a lot of freedom/isn't strict
>fuckyeah
>>69405238
Anything economics/development beyond babby-tier is an exercise in advanced applied calculus.
>>69406373
So you say, but you never answered the question.
>>69405437
55k for picking up trash doesn't seem too bad, especially if you don't consider overtime. While I don't believe that you can make 500k a year just off of picking up trash, I have heard some people earning around 6 figures with overtime.
>>69390656
>http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/15/pf/jobs/lawyer-salaries/
Highly suspicious. What law firm pays an ASSOCIATE 350k? Plaintiffs firm with major recent windfalls?
>>69408536
yeah anon is bullshitting.
>>69390656
Ehh, on a second thought, I guess it's possible--though extremely rare: 7th yr associate with ~90k bonuses.
http://www.vault.com/company-profiles/law/susman-godfrey-llp/company-overview.aspx
Though firms like this are the top of the top, which I doubt would be represented at a place like /pol/... ?
>>69393698
post dissertation
>>69384080
No idea why, but they should off themselves. Social Science graduate student (higher levels than you dunce caps could ever achieve, post-grad researcher) and I make more than you ever will. Not only that, I have jobs lined up out the door.
But have fun working on the projects I decide funding on and design.
KEKS.
>>69386310
B...but they invented algebra n sheeit :DD
>>69401420
The funny thing is that besides the interpersonal shit, any person from a science background will be taught that shit in their first year.
Except they'll also have valuable skills.
Oh wait
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>>69384080
I got a liberal arts degree, and after a few shit (but very easy) jobs, I now lecture all over the world, 16 hours a week, everything paid up in advance of wages (rent, utilities, etc), and more than ample wage to get by on.
>>69411125
unrelated: why do you guys call a Canadian a leaf? Is that supposed to be derogatory? It's kinda adorable.
>>69412046
RARE FLAG
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>>69388891
Living the dream mate.
I'm currently in my 3rd year of Mechatronics and next year my first semester is purely work experience. I really hope I can land a good job.
>>69412046
>>69412874
LIES
