Is spanking children morally justifiable?
>>69382467
I moved to giving them little electric shocks instead. I already teached them to do tricsks and not sit on the couch,
>>69382467
Spanking a child is the easiest way to fight liberalism.
look at the fucking generation of retards growing up and you will know your answer
>>69382467
Yeah, why not? It teaches children that there are consequences for poor behaviour. Act like a little shit, you get spanked. Get spanked enough, you stop acting like a little shit. If a slap on the bum, that stops hurting like after 10 minutes, is enough to teach a lifetime of respect and self-control then go ahead
Fcuk, I'm not the first post anymore. Wanted to change my flag to Australian and say "you mean during sex?".
Can you delete your thread so we can try again OP?
>>69382467
The only ass that's getting spanked in my future house is that of my wife's, know what I'M sayng?
>>69382669
lol imagine how dumb you have to be to believe this
>>69382467
it works for some children in some situations
parent-child relationships are pretty complex
>>69382467
physical negative reinforcement is a requirement when raising a child and anyone who disagrees better have a PERFECT kid or they are raising an entitled little shit
>>69382467
Some kids just don't learn from words, some kids don't learn from physical punishment. It's all relative to the kids, the form of punishment that works is just what you gotta do to keep your kids from being complete fucktards.
In my experience it just makes kids authoritarian punks with parent issues or it crosses the line into traumatic abuse.
Maybe there's a role for it, not gonna tell other people what to do.
I would rather just show my kid by example how to act and talk to them with respect.
Humans is the only animal who attack their children.
>>69382779
Reported to Merkel
>>69382922
>this post
>by canada
i'm impressed
>>69382467
Trump didn't spank, and look at Eric and Ivanka.
Mr not an argument advocates not spanking and not screaming at them.
>>69382467
Most important thing by far in parenting is giving your kid boundaries. Kids seek boundaries. They love boundaries (aslong as you stay fair with them). Everything they do at certain young ages, they do it to actively seek out social boundaries.
Sometimes they'll accept a boundary when you tell them right away. Sometimes they won't. If a kid tries that, it's a good thing to spank because all the talking and pleading won't work with little kids. That's when you spank. It gives them a boundary they have to respect or get spanked.
I think hitting kids in the face or doing it with a belt or something is way too much though. Spanking is more than enough. I also don't believe in teachers resorting to spanking or other physical consequences. That's something the parent has to do. Kid is being a little shit? Call the parent. Kids will learn fast if a spanking is on the line.
My Dad beat my brother and I growing up. Not out of anger, but only when we fucked up/disappointed him. Now we both graduated from prestigious universities and are respectful contributing members of society. So yea, anecdotal example, but I believe that beating your kids once in a while prevents them from turning into shitheads.
Regardless of the morality of it, it's absolutely necessary.
Look at what happened in just one generation when people started going with "time out" instead of "closed fist slap", now we have a whole bunch of people taking a "time out" from marriage, education, and careers in favor for taking a "closed fist stranglehold" on government welfare.
>>69382984
You have never seen any animals ever
>>69382984
Mother dogs kick and bite annoying puppies, but it ends exactly when the misbehavior does.
Humans can hold grudges and hit kids out of anger and not misbehavior. Important difference.
>>69382984
humans aren't animals sven, i know you live in a cuckshed but there's a whole world out there
>>69382984
Not true.
>>69382467
Only if you put some effort into it. None of this light pat shit.
>>69383125
Ivanka said she was frequently spanked hard.
>>69382984
No we're not
>>69382467
If done correctly, it can teach them discipline. I don't see whats immoral about that.
>>69382752
Spanking never did shit to me. lol
My ass was made of rubber.
My dad got BTFO.
>>69383125
>>69383312
Almost as hard as my dick was imagining it.
>>69383252
Human beings are animals with a genetic mutation.
>>69382774
>change my flag to Australian
You mean Turkroach?
>>69382752
Never worked for me and my mom spanked the shit out of me.
I just love being a little shit.
>>69383400
so we're speshul after all?
>>69382984
Even if that was true, humans are also the only animals to build toilets to shit into.
Does that make it any worse or better inherently?
>>69382467
This image is quite hot.
Help.
>>69383475
If you're from Moravia, maybe.
>>69382958
Not everyone has nice kids. Some kids are just mean little shits and nothing you do other than spanking them works. My niece is good 80% of the time but sometimes no matter what we do she won't fucking learn until we actually spank her. It's always a last resort but it is a resort we need to use.
>>69383473
>>69383392
Didn't spank you enough then.
>>69383475
No. We have similar humble origins to all life on earth.
We are special in our applications of knowledge and brutality.
>>69382922
This. Parents spanked me (actually it wasn't a spanking, just a slap) when I did wrong, and most importantly - WHEN THEY KNEW I KNEW IT WAS WRONG.
It was always stupid shit like beating on my sisters or being dishonest as well - if I did that when I was an adult, I'd be considered a shitty human being. Spanking sorts out wilful bad behaviour.
>>69383595
there is no "moravia", m8. just czechia
I think it's fine to use, but it tends to be overused over very petty shit which typically leads to it being useless in the long run.
Then again, I was perfectly well-behaved as a child so I don't know if it's effective or not.
>>69383689
>similar humble origins
yes i know everything is made out of atoms
but at least you agree with me
>>69382984
define 'attack'
we slap kids to let them know being a little asshole isn't okay
birds chuck their young off of cliffs in order to teach them that not knowing how to fly isn't okay
You have to beat them according to their actions.
>>69383730
no, Czechia is where only the real Czechs come and it's much more economically developed and more progressive than your racist Moravian shithaus
>>69383606
Yeah this. My mom tells me that I was really nice growing up and never really did anything to get spanked, except for a few cases where I fucked up.
Then I look at my cousins kids. My cousin is strictly against spanking and her kids actually fucking dance on her nose. They're like 5 and they make fun of her, they wreck shit up infront of her on purpose because they know she'll just go "I can't even.." and go smoke a cig.
The kind of human beings being raised there I am genuinely afraid for in the future. That's how sociopaths are made.
>>69383486
Not all humans have managed to do that even
>>69382467
Yes, children and wives should be spanked in the same way. When they misbehave they need a good swatting.
>>69383845
Goddamn leaf making me laugh in public!
>>69383473
>mom
That's the problem right there. If your dad had pulled his belt off and tanned your ass with it you wouldn't be such a shit head
Punishment is stupid in general and especially in relationships. If u feel your child should be hit u have already failed as a parent
"Spanking" it's a strong term, OP, and you shouldn't do that.
But every children should take a beat, it's not a wrong form of teaching.
>>69382467
dont be shit at parenting. spanked children grow into useless cunt
>>69382467
No, according to research.
>>69382467
Yes. I backslapped my 17 year old sister because she was a flaming leftist (colored hair and punk music, the whole spiel) and supported Merkels immigration policy.
She recently started working, and ever since she got her first paycheck and has seen her money getting taken away, she changed her tune quickly. I'd like to believe I helped. Sometimes a good conservative hands-on education can stop degeneracy.
>>69383839
Maybe we agree. I'm not sure.
It's a sticky subject.
Man has no moral superiority over other life.
Actually in many ways we are more frail and degenerate.
We learned how to manipulate the world on a very direct, intentional level and now all kinds of crazy cuckoo stuff has emerged.
>>69383701
This.
I think my leftist phase might have cone largely from my insane mother making a consistently bad example of Authority. I did not think it was possible for authority to be legitimate until I was in my mid-twenties.
>>69384387
>Man has no moral superiority over other life.
i'd like to know more about your morals
>>69384355
Maybe you should learn to speak actual German instead of beating your sister.
>machwa weg schwesta wähl doch net dat falsche partei bix nood
>>69382669
Blacks are spanked more often than any other racial group.
I think if a child does something incredibly malicious and dangerous then a measured response is justified.
Most parents aren't capable of responding proportionately. Some people spoil their children, others are brutal toward them and scar them.
Other than an extreme fuck up I think nonviolent discipline and trust are stronger methods.
>>69382467
In instances in which it is an emergency to prevent a child harming another person, yes. Otherwise, no.
>>69382650
>>69382669
>>69382752
>>69382915
>>69382958
>>69382984
>>69383205
>>69383365
>>69383392
>>69383701
Not an arguement.
If kids don't learn to negociate at home, they won't learn at school.
You garbage people who want to beat up others who are a third of your size should receive a far worse treatment than those rioters chimping out at shoe stores.
There are scientifically proven terrible consequences to beating children.
>>69382467
whose morals?
Only if she doesn't swallow
>>69383125
>not screaming
Well, that's fucking obvious. Screaming at your kids signals to them that you're hurting them because YOU are angry, not because what they did is wrong.
Spanking should not be the end of the encounter. The child needs to understand why they were punished for the punishment to be effective. Otherwise, all they know is that you hurt them for some reason.
>>69384712
Depends on the kid. My parents taught me right from wrong and I listened and never got into trouble.
If your kids an abnoxious monster and its the only way go ahead, but I think you can teach your kid without having to do it.
Some of you sicken me.
Spanking a kid is not correct? Really?
A hit with the open hand or with a belt is much better than dealing with a spoiled asshole in the future, those cant even be considered as attacks.
My dad beated the shit outta me, fists and kicks, those were attacks but I've come to the realization I deserved it
I stole a new Max Steel from a cousin once when my dad saw it in my room he punched me in the face and made me return it to my cousin personally.
Thats parenting for you fuckers, your weakness can only raise future SJWs.
>>69384759
The way I see it, spanking is up to the parents. If a kid is acting like a little shit and disrespectful, I'll spank him yea. What most parents fail to do is explain WHY they were spanked. If you do your explanation will sit in the kids head and hopefully he'll understand why it happened and avoid it in the future. If a kid however knocks over your glass or leaves a light on and you go ham on his as, he'll learn to fear you and not trust you. The main goal in my mind is reiterating the fact they did something wrong.
Beating a kid for no reason or stupid reasons is like beating a dog, eventually it'll bite back, or you'll fuck with his head enough for him to go shoot up his school. It's a reinforcement measure, not the first decision of punishment. Hell when I was a kid I'd want to get my ass whooped rather than them take my GameBoy haha
>>69382984
Nigga, you dumb.
>>69384593
>Actual German
>Coming from a medikit
>dat, Ruhrpot dialect
>net, Swabian dialect
Mate, are you legit retarded?
>>69384505
Well I'll tell you what I believe about men. They are only fired up by cruelty and degradation.
Sordidness, debasement and corruption but fire in the blood of men.
Men do not show restraint when power and control on the line. We are essentially fearful of the unknown because we are shut away in our own minds, which seek to conquer the unknown.
In this, men show a darker character than the rest of nature. As brutal as the rest of the world can be, it shows measure and rhythm. Men have an endless appetite for evil.
Hence why we created ethics and morality, in order to suppress this sickness of the soul. But we always come up short in the end.
>>69384712
I hope the kid is good at negotiating, because when they're an adult and trying to negotiate their way out of a jail sentence it's going to be a lot tougher, and losing the negotiation is going to have much worse consequences.
>>69384923
>muh unprocessed child abuse
>punching children in the face is moral
>>69382467
sometimes whoop theres ass even if they're being good just to remind them your in charge
>>69384624
They don't have fathers anymore though. That ruins the system.
>>69385131
men or man? is this a gender thing?
>>69384624
>implying animals are capable of reason
>open hand spank hard enough to sting
>kneel down
>"why did I spank you?" "how would you feel if someone did that to you?" etc.
e z
>>69384198
>there should never be negative consequences to actions
The real world doesn't give a fuck about your hurt feelings and kids need to learn that.
>>69382467
No but it's hot and make my dick hard
>>69385314
yeah butt they dont fucking learn like other racial groups
I love at all these assholes saying it is justifiable to use force against a child trying to stab others. Of course that is the case.
But that is not what happens, is it? Kids get spanked, sometimes with tools, because they forgot to their retarded meal, they said something that the parents did not like for some reason or they simply wanted something that the parents did not want at that time.
But yes, this is /pol/. Only racial nonsense can be heard. So take this: blacks and hispanics hit their children a lot more and look how fucking well it has worked for them.
So, yeah. If you chimp out at kid that is a third of your size, you are far worse than any "nigger" of yours.
Go fuck all of you.
Just Google "spanking and iq" and actually get educated.
>>69384712
You can spank children without beating them. I guess maybe not in the favela
>>69385283
No just my opinion on human nature.
Men most often lead the way historically while women supplement. Women are harder to pin down, the have such an erratic character. Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde sort of thing.
>>69382467
>Dat pic
Pretty hot t.b.h f.a.m
>>69382984
You're wrong, there have instances of other primates harming kids. Some fish eat their young, so, a slap on the bum isn't the worst.
Anyone know where I can find videos of spanking children to better get an idea of the severity?
>>69382467
No but pranking them is. The little wanker I was always woke up really late and when I was told to wake up on time I told my mum to fuck off. So her and my father set the alarm for four hours early and placed it on the far side of the room. They put cottage cheese on the floor in a sheet pan and when I awoke to turn alarm off I stepped in it. They both jumped through my door screaming really loud and eventually began laughing at my panic induced repose.
Being psychologists they found that laughter from fear was the best method of discipline and I never swore at my parents again
>>69384712
I know how you feel about discipline, Stefan. That's why I said IF DONE CORRECTLY.
>>69385432
Is that what you call immorally justifiable?
>>69385548
Not an arguement.
Trading words of same meaning to defend aggressive mom and dad.
"You can have central planning of the economy with having socialism."
>>69382467
>Is spanking children morally justifiable?
fuck I need to sleep, I read
>Is spanish children morally acceptable
and since OP has a murican flag it didn't seem so weird...
>>69385726
>to better get an idea of the severity?
Uhhh huh sure m8
>>69385481
>black men who agree it's ok to spank children
>black men
>even knowing who their children are
...yeeeeaaaaahhh....about that cute little graph you got there....
>>69385055
Hope you realize most Swiss German dialects are closer to actual German than modern High German.
I was making the point that only white trash would beat siblings at the age of 17.
>>69385344
>The real world
Yeah, but your arbitrary standards of what is worthy of punishment are not the real world. They're a system that only exist within your house and is useless outside of it.
All actions have consequences, regardless of whether you punish your child for the actions or not. You only have to make your child aware of them, and they will most likely not do it. Because children can think, they're not animals.
If your child doesn't study and skips classes, he will end up flipping burgers at mcdonalds. That's the real world consequence that exist. The punishment that comes from you is arbitrary and has no logical connection to the child's actions. Simply make the kid aware the logical chain of "Studying poorly -> flipping burgers".
>>69382467
Yes, talk to your child instead.
>>69385757
Yes we have to train the sluts at a young age
>>69384012
India BTFO
>>69384712
molyneux pls go
>>69385803
You made me kek, Toblerone
>>69385743
Please enlighten us about how you strike an innocent person correctly, South Africa.
Unless your child is holding a knife or planning to shoot you there is no other excuse. Too bad you are South Africa so that is just everyday life over there.
>>69382467
Is fucking children morally justifiable?
>>69386016
>implying Brazil is any better off
Yeah ooookay
>>69385769
Fantastic facebook statistics there lad. The sad thing is that you actually believe this unsourced shit and many other uneducated people like you do too.
>>69386032
Yes but not more than 4 times each day
>>69385481
It's some little slaps in the bum so they learn things have consequences, you entitled little shit.
It's not supposed to fucking maul the shit out of the kid, it's just enough to make the child understand something he did was wrong.
Some kids don't need it, sure, they understand just with little talk and toy/sweets ban punishment. It all depends on the little shit's upbringing.
>>69385864
IS NICE
Spanking encourages aggressive behaviours in many children when they grow older.
>>69382467
Despite what the parenting experts at /pol/ have you believe, a little spank hasn't hurt anybody so far. Just don't beat your kids like an alcoholic Irishman would his wife and they'll be fine.
>>69385726
ask your dad
>>69386016
>strike an innocent person correctly, South Africa
That's easy. Just strike through the bathroom door
>>69386243
That would probably help the Sweden situation now. A generation of cá Žucks.
>>69386298
Wanna trade coffee for diamonds?
>>69382467
To answer OP, no.
Beating any innocent person is not morally justifiable.
Kids are moral agents just like you and have the potential to moderate their actions.
>>69386174
Why not maul the shit out of the kid? If they learn things have consequences by hitting them, just hit them everytime they do something wrong.
Look at how well it has worked out for fucking 80% of all kids in this country, you chimp.
Go back to the forest. You won't be missed.
No it never is.
Sorry to sound like an SJW but it's true.
>>69382467
Sorta'. Young children, because of their age, can't necessarily preceve the inherent danger in there wrongdoing and don't grasp reason or the language skills enough to understand that some things can be harmful to them. I don'the believe that it should be ritualistic, however. "Get daddy's belt" is something I should only say to my wife when she's been a bad, bad girl.
I never understood spanking. I always got slaps to the face
>>69386347
GOTEM
>>69386492
Yes, we need to beat up kids so they don't get in problem with other kids and end up getting beaten up.
If you want your child be low IQ degenerate, alcoholic, drug addict, pedophile - spank your child. Raise your child like niggers and you will get wasted human material.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONNRfflggBg
What could a 4 year old do that makes it OK to hit them??
What the fuck
Belting or repeated spankings are only for sadists, one firm slap to their face is usually enough.
>>69386487
A fucking leaf
>>69385248
So abuse them? Can you articulate a proper sentence or are you going to continue to speak like a chimp?
>>69386153
UNSOURCED DATA
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm
http://www.childtrends.org/?indicators=attitudes-toward-spanking
Can't wait for your country to go into the trash bin just like everywhere else. Pray for other shit people to do not be like you.
>>69386659
Not giving head properly or spit and don't swallow.
I hate when this happens
definitely. It teaches kids that there are consequences for crossing the line. it may not make your kid behave, but at least it will understand that it cant get away with everything without taking shit.
spanking doesnt even hurt anyway. of course beating and injuring your kid is a grave mistake and a crime
>>69382984
>that flag
Not even surprised
Lions literally KILL their children to put their mothers back into heat.
As a school teacher I'll be the first to tell you HIT YOUR GOD DAMN KIDS.
Its one thing to hear your kid out, its another to give them a compromise, thats rewarding a child for bad behavior. If you compromise you teach a child that bad behavior leads to reward, this is child psychology 101, even fucking Supernanny covered this.
>>69386483
>Why not maul the shit out of the kid? If they learn things have consequences by hitting them, just hit them everytime they do something wrong.
Because you should still try to be reasonable by talking and explaining to the kid. The spanking is the last resort to something really bad.
>Look at how well it has worked out for fucking 80% of all kids in this country, you chimp.
Yeah, those are entitled little shits who don't understand consequences, they lacked a havaiana's slap or two on the right time.
>Go back to the forest. You won't be missed.
Aren't you cute.
Spanking is pretty fucking weird. It's just creepy and kind of sexual.
My dad would just smack me upside the head. Not hard enough to really hurt but hard enough to surprise you a bit.
I don't really give a shit how other people deal with their children though because I'm not a fucking cuck who gives a shit about other mens daughters or sons.
>>69386659
Nothing.
These assholes are protecting mom and dad and holding blacks and muslims under different standards from their parents.
>BLACK GIRL CHIMPING OUT AT WHITE WOMAN. KILL THEM ALL. RACE WAR NOW.
>PARENT STRIKING A CHILD A THIRD OF THEIR SIZE IS OK, THOUGH. YOU FUCKING LIBERAL.
/pol/ is blue pill.
>>69385240
I stole, anyone who is capable of stealing then is capable enough of bearing the consequences. If you don't teach kids that every action has its results then you're a fail as a human, not only as parent.
Thats why you have all this overly-sensitive bullshit. Everyone gets offended by everything because weak parents that were push overs.
Grow a pair moron.
>>69382467
I wish I got hit when I was a kid.
I'm not doing bad for myself but I could do with the extra discipline and determination.
>>69382774
fifth post best post
>>69387227
>>69386752
Canadians bringing the truth
>>69387098
Hitting your wife is better than your child.
At least she chose to be there
>>69382467
Niggers spank their kids at higher rates than whites and Asians. QED.
>>69387177
Being firm isn't the same thing as hitting them. Your argument does not follow.
Research shows that corporal punishment is one of the least effective in terms of fixing behaviour and leads strongly to psychological problems down the road
A far more effective form of behaviour correction is taking away priveleges. This also more accurately reflects real life consequences they'll face as adults.
>>69387188
Spanking lowers the IQ of the children.
Low IQs mean more disposition to violence.
It is a recipe for disaster. Spanking never works. Just fucking look at your social circles. Oh, wait, this is /pol/. You don't have any social circles.
Yeah... Sure. Beat them with a belt. It erases the mistake and the belt won't tear apart like a Havaiana after you paint them red with your fist.
You are just the eternal brazillion and part of the problem.
>>69382467
mmmm loli needs spanking.
>>69384624
The word you are looking for is "beat".
>>69387375
>At least she chose to be there
Cringy as fuck. Were you one of those teenagers that stood in their doorway after getting disciplined and yelled "IT'S NOT LIKE I EVEN ASKED TO BE A PART OF THIS FAMILY!" and then you slam the door and cry obnoxious loud? Cringy.
>>69382467
NOTHIN' WRONG WITH THAT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx7s_N79nco
>>69387509
>Spanking lowers the IQ of the children.
>Yeah... Sure. Beat them with a belt. It erases the mistake and the belt won't tear apart like a Havaiana after you paint them red with your fist.
You are fucking delusional holy shit
>>69382984
Do you actually believe this...?
>scandinavian """"""""""education""""""""""
It can be.
However, if it becomes an habitual form of discipline in your household, you're failing as a parent.
>>69387299
If you started stealing your parents fucked up long before that. Dumbass parents like yours act shitty and suck at parenting and when their kids start "misbehaving" they hit them. Pure autistic rage.
If you can only teach your child proper behat using fists, you are an extremely shitty teacher.
I know you have a shitty life just based on what you've said so Ill refrain from insulting you
>>69382467
Yeah, to a degree. I don't like it when parents spank without making it clear WHY they're doing it. When I spanked my kids, they knew exactly what they were doing wrong, why I was doing it, and how to avoid it in the future.
Though with my daughter it was way more effective to literally put her on the couch and tell her she couldn't leave it for ten minutes. She used to lose it and break down after five minutes, EVERY TIME.
Still, it's up to the parents.
I don't ever think I could spank my kids, solely because I have a big fetish for it. It'd be far too weird.
As long as there's a concrete explanation and a justifiable reason that you can make your kid understand pre/post spanking, then I don't have any problem with other people doing it when it's necessary.
>>69387667
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm
>rejects data
>calls me delusional
Go ask dad to beat you up, Pedro.
Since you like it so much and even recommend to other people.
>>69387509
Nobody is talking about serious bodily hard you mongoloid
Were talking a few love taps on the arse
>>69382467
It's almost mandatory unless you want your son to grow up to be a mangina.
>Slapping a kids butt reduces their IQ!
Fun Fact: Hippity Hop Balls were originally called The Lobotomizer before the company hired their new advertisement specialist. Can you imagine how many kids turned into vegetables from their butts slapping on the hippity hop?
>>69387581
>assuming a shitload of things and making fun of the assumption
>thinking you made a valid response
>using the word cringe unironically
>>69387875
???
Like the ones Shaka gives your wife every night?
Or the ones which are an actual physical and meaningful punishment after kids do something that you consider inappropriate but can't really work the reason why.
>>69387841
The NSA is watching anon.
>>69388026
Trump wasn't spanked
I wish I was hit more as a child. Maybe I wouldn't have grown into the shitty adult I am.
>>69387869
I'm gonna ask your dad to beat you up, Reginaldson.
>>69387087
Yes, they were unsourced, now they're not. Are you retarded? Am I supposed to be a psychic and know where things are from before you source them?
As for the actual sources, the first study uses a sample size of around 2000 which is terribly low for child development studies as they're prone to other influences. It's also measured over a 2 week period. That's not really interesting.
The second one has more varied sources, but it runs a much broader demographic (it includes blacks and white trash, basically). Corporal punishment correlates with alcoholism and child abuse for obvious reasons, so the statistics are inherenly flawed. You can't say corporal punishment is bad because you look at numbers that include violent, drunk, child abusing brown people and rednecks that beat their kids for the hell of it or because they did something unchristian.
So basically statistics can show that corporal punishment is easily a form of abuse, but the logical error in thinking is that it doesn't have to be. Child abuse and alcoholic parents should be exempt from these studies as they significantly skew the numbers.
>Can't wait for your country to go into the trash bin
That's really rich coming from murder, rape and robbing central. I guess you must know what qualifies for a trash country.
>>69387483
it was effective for me.
>>69388047
>Not refuting any of it
Look, we both know what happened. And not to point fingers, but if your parents would have spanked you maybe you wouldn't be so passive aggressive with those meme arrows.
>>69388042
It is not the fucking slapping, you asshole.
It is corporal punishment.
It is the difference between hitting someone with your elbow in the bus and actually elbowing someone as a punishment. It is not even elbowing someone at a fight they agreed to get in.
You are just so desperate to defend mom and dad because they went on with their 3000 years old cave age tradition that never worked?
>>69388106
>but can't really work the reason why.
But I do though
>>69388352
>parents punish their kids with elbow strikes
What the fuck man. Spanking means a little clap on the bottom when they won't listen. Don't be dramatic faggot.
>>69388352
>intention has the capability of changing someones IQ
You really do believe that...don't you? That's some like Wiccan energy tier bullshit.
>Oh fuck, I just ran my kid over with the car... Oh but wait, it was an ACCIDENT, he's fine!
>>69388413
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>>69382467
Hard to say OP
When I was in school I knew plenty of little shitters, as I'm sure we all did. And although I rarely thought that if they had been spanked more as a child they might not be such a piece of shit, I did often think that if they'd been punched in the face more often they would have learned not to fuck with others.
I think "zero-tolerance" policies for violence in schools and laws do a lot worse in damaging social dynamics in early youth than lenient parental discipline. After all, the boundaries spanking are suppose to set in place are suppose to reflect the boundaries of a functioning society, and punishing a society for enforcing those boundaries means a society without boundaries.
As for myself, I strongly resent my mother for ever having spanked me as a child, and it is something she will never be forgiven for. The very idea of such a pathetic whore physically harming someone so much more intelligent and rational than herself, that's something she will have to answer to one day.
So lesson learned that if you're born with an abnormal child, and you bite them in the ass, they might do the same later on in life. Actions have consequences, but so do consequences of actions~
/issues
>>69388352
>elbowing someone as a punishment
What the actual fuck? Now I understand why you are against spanking, you were used as a punching bag by your abusive stepfather. It's ok anon, everything is gonna be fine. Spanking isn't about that.
>>69388352
>elbowing someone
>140 lbs mace
>>69388443
nonwhites brazilians(specially black women they are the worst) love to cry on the internet its a cultural thing. they whine about certain topics like beating children, the minor age to go to jail(they want it to stay 18), racism, gay children ,etc, i just ignore them.
>>69384923
Haha, so pathetic. Gets fucked up by his shitty dad, grows up to be a pathetic loser who posts his shitty story on /pol, and actually defends the abuse he endured.
Jesus this place is pathetic.
Why do you ask each other anything? You're all fucking ignorant morons who don't even have college degrees. There are people who devote their entire lives to understanding child development and parenting, but instead of reading their reseaech, you ask other morons who were abused by their paretns if it's ok.
God you people are unimaginably a pathetic and sorry excuse for a human being. You think your whiteness makes you good, but you all suffer terribly from the Duning-Kruger effect.
PS I'm white, but actually educated and not a moron.
>>69383606
Maybe she likes being spanked anon
>>69388352
> elbowing someone as a punishment.
I see now the root of your problem with spanking.
You were beat within an inch of death by your angry drug dealing father days before he got killed by an off-duty police officer as he was trying to rob the innocent man he just shot for change.
It must've traumatized you
>>69387299
just teaches you to hide your shit better. better to see the other kid get beaten up for 'losing' his shit. thats true consequences
>>69388933
> I'm white, but
There's no "but" here, shitlord. You're a fucking white male. Why do you think your opinion matters?
>>69389062
kek
>>69388933
Sheesh, such mean and hateful things you've said. Do you kiss your fathers closed fist at 15mph with that mouth?
>>69388933
>>69389062
yea get your facts straight white cis shitlord. check you're privilege
If spanking works that must be why niggers are better behaved than white people. Oh wait...
>>69389244
>spanking alone is the sole reason why black people are shit
Anon please.
>>69388443
>>69388580
>>69388691
>>69388863
>>69388963
Doesn't understand the metaphore.
Confirmed below 110 IQ.
I used elbow because you are not spanking anyone accidentaly in a bus.
I was explained the difference in an action of moral agency and other that is accidental.
Was I supposed to do not use "elbow" and actually type "spanking someone in the ass in the bus" as an accident?
I knew you were europeans, but this is too much to me.
>>69388352
I know that in your shithole spanking is done with a nailed bat, but we're actually talking about slaps done with the palm of your hand.
You can now go rob a tourist so you can buy yourself a 500ml of fresh water. Dismissed.
>>69389364
Just compare blacks who have been spanked to blacks who haven't.
You guys are just ignorant fucks defending mom and dad instead of looking at the data.
Never breed.
The world doesn't need your white trash kids.
>>69389377
>metaphore
>you guys are dumb
....if trolling then 10/10
If not then....hmm...
>>69389364
He's right in the sense that poor black parents are quick to reach for the belt.
In fact, poor people are usually most prone to hit their children. Children from poor families are usually trapped by poverty.
Makes you think.
>>69389377
You are quite the retard, nothing but that.
>>69389377
mimimi look at my ''arguments'' muh feelings
>>69389364
certainly doesn't seem to help. "when i a chile mah momma give me whuppins" say the subhuman.
>>69389377
>I used elbow because you are not spanking anyone accidentaly in a bus.
Could this be an indicator that the analogy doesn't work?
Nah, it's the other people who are stupid. 110 IQ as confirmed by my therapist/drugdealer/favela architect
>>69388580
>your friend drops a heavy chair on your balls accidentally
vs.
>your friend walks up to you, drops a heavy chair on your balls, and says that he fucking hates you but then acts like nothing happened
Which is worse?
>>69388337
>refuting a made up story
Nice try mate
It is for the morale of my penis
is there a youtube channel of mothers spanking their daughters?
it's important to know how to spank safely
>>69388933
Why don't you leave then you pathetic faggot? You literally picked a third-world nigger as an example of the entirety of /pol/, ignoring all of the well formulated arguments for and against corporeal punishment in the rest of the thread.
Not only is that, but you're the type of scum who believes that the more school someone has endured equates to a better argument. You live in a world of self-affirmation and ignorance believing that, just because you managed to shell out 50,000 dollars for a useless degree in liberal arts, it inherently makes you a better person than someone who didn't.
You should seriously consider destroying your pathetic, maggot-filled brain with a bullet after leaving this place. You don't belong here, no, wait, you don't deserve to be here.
>>69389682
So at which part does the injury to the testicles cause the IQ get lowered?
>>69389682
the accident is worse because you can't get reparations out of it.
I'm empathetic when it comes to accidents but dropping a heavy chair on my balls is far beyond what I'm willing to take
>>69384624
slapping your kid once on the forearm of the arse is different to beating the ever living shit out of our son/daughter.
>>69382467
Should be ok, when trying to instill a valuable life lesson that the child just isn't getting. But hitting your kid out of anger, nah senpai.
>>69382467
Post more spanking images.
>>69389807
The point at which point the most trusted and loved figure in your life intentionally inflicts pain on you at the most psychologically fragile and formative time in your life?
>>69389938
or the arse*
>>69382467
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igW5ELCiUQ
LEL YOU WANT AN ASS WHOOPIN OR YOU WANT THIS XBOX???
>>69382467
Corporeal punishment is for lower class dregs and niggers, a suitable parent should be able to discipline their children in a more intelligent manner such as a time-out or a stern talking-to.
You don't want to act like a nigger, do you /pol/?
>>69390090
arse is such a ugly word.
>>69390044
And that affects a persons IQ?
Like...I'm not well versed in wicca but I think what you're trying to tell me is .... The "energy" used in the "intention" must like...go into the fourth dimension and then it like....goes into the kids brain (even though the injury was...on their testicles?...) and...makes them more dumb?
I really got to listen to more David Ickee, this stuff is just too hard to understand.
>>69382467
Show me a child who's never been spanked, and I'll show you a child of neglect.
>>69390044
just made me think how utterly fragile i used to be. i was spanked but whatever, parents gave me books
>>69390220
I agree, but ass is very american and while I love America, I am English and I will speak English.
We can change the personality of children for the better by spanking them!
>Actually, studies show that it impacts them for the worse
Spanking can't change childrens' personalities. What are you, stupid?
I used to believe that spanking held no place in a healthy parent-child relationship. That all changed when I had my first girlfriend.
She was never spanked as a child and encouraged to "give her case" in front of her family at any time, if the parents were in the wrong they would apologize and she would get no punishment.
Instead of instilling a sense of reason into her it instead made her an expert lier who convices herself that she is NEVER EVER in the wrong on anything.
Kids need to learn that life isn't fair, because it really isn't.
>>69390104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihHrLOrRXj0
>>69389481
>Just compare blacks who have been spanked to blacks who haven't.
And how would I do that?
>You guys are just ignorant fucks defending mom and dad instead of looking at the data.
What data, dude? How can you even quantify this bullshit scientifically? People lie constantly about their past, findings (especially in social sciences) are falsified to suit the agenda of their financiers, hell social sciences are known for drawing faulty conclusions and doing little actual peer review.
Just think for a second, just use your brain. What would be traumatizing for a child when it gets slapped on the bottom because it just wouldn't listen? Parents have the duty to protect their children from harm. Sometimes when I was really careless, my parents would spank me because I just wouldn't listen to them. In retrospect it was for my own good, because the things I've done were really dangerous indeed.
The bad apples beating their kids severely are a problem, no argument. But parents usually love their children. What European mothers see as a "spank" is probably very different to what some nigger ape thinks of it. For niggers, they'll justify anything just to never take responsibility for their actions. Don't even compare European parenting with some Brazilian favela nigger who beats his kids because he's tired of them and lost all his money at some gambling house.
>>69386016
What about yelling at your eardrums? Destroying your property by breaking everything, kicking the door and shit? What about spitting on you and calling you names?
Is that being innocent?
>but they stop if you just tell them to
No, kids don't simply work this way.
Beasts and animals are trained through pain and a reward.
Teaching your children that you can enforce your will through violence is degeneracy.
Teaching your children that you can have everything without efforts is also degeneracy.
Either you learn how to educate your children through words and parenting, or you just don't have children, for your little bastards will be nothing more but even more idiots inside the society.
>>69382984
AAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAHAAAAA
Fukin' Swecucks mang.
Wew, nice bait :^)
>>69390284
And spanking affects a persons degeneracy?
Like...I'm not well versed in wicca but I think what you're trying to tell me is .... The "energy" used in the "intention" must like...go into the fourth dimension and then it like....goes into the kids brain (even though the injury was...on their ass?...) and...makes them more well behaved?
I really got to listen to more David Ickee, this stuff is just too hard to understand.
>>69388042
They actually used to call these the Discipliner, because they made kids so well behaved.
>>69390450
my gf was never spanked as a child and now she responds poorly to me spanking her, she tries bless her, but she cannot truly be comfortable being told anything physically.
>>69390173
You'd rather your child grow up to be a liberal faggot?
>>69390044
How else do you stop a child from misbehaving if verbal action is already out the window because the kid pushing boundaries and wants to see what happens if it ignores your warning?
>>69390470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G66sdyWmzkM
>>69390470
saw this today in jewbook
/resistenciap24hfoz/videos/981193065304448/
>>69382922
>physical negative reinforcement
Spanking isn't a reinforcer, you fuck. It's positive punishment. Geez where were you in your state-mandated humanities class? This is psych101 stuff
>>69389556
>>69389610
>>69389675
Done with this. Life's too short for retards.
I'm glad you'll never breed.
Lower IQ and Violence:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Zach_Walsh/publication/8117226_Psychopathy_IQ_and_Violence_in_European_American_and_African_American_County_Jail_Inmates/links/0deec51cb7f6592810000000.pdf
Beating having a nasty effect on low IQs:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Zach_Walsh/publication/8117226_Psychopathy_IQ_and_Violence_in_European_American_and_African_American_County_Jail_Inmates/links/0deec51cb7f6592810000000.pdf
http://www.cmaj.ca/content/early/2012/02/06/cmaj.101314.citation
http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Debunking-corporal-punishment-myth-1-Spanking-children-for-discipline-does-no-harm-20131119 (Not primary data but a fine comment)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_correlations_of_criminal_behaviour (Not primary data)
http://www.unh.edu/news/cj_nr/2009/sept/lw25straus.cfm (Murray Strauss's recent work)
You can't put two kids in a lab, beat one and spare the other. Wait for them to grow up and see how they will fare in pattern recognition.
What you can do is to look at ethnical groups and compare the kids inside them which are beaten and not beaten. It is not a perfect control to establish causation and intelligent people don't actually need to chimp out at their children, but at least shows a correlation.
>>69382467
Yes. For some kids that's all they'll respond to. But it's also a crutch for lazy parenting.
>>69387812
Nah I actually love my dad he was right everytime, he never hitted me for any other reason than correct my behavior, no mental problems, no childhood scarring.
So how do you explain that then?
Do you have any serious proof (not those with "hitting children is bad mmkay") that shows that correct your children physically leads to mental issues?
I bet you will be one of those parents whose kid is being a little shit in a restaurant or wherever, and you only form of correction is telling him in low voice "pls timmy not here"
>>69390576
>And spanking affects a persons degeneracy?
So your new argument is that what I am saying is contradicting what someone else said?
If you're right that spanking lowers IQ, your parents must have beat your ass constantly. Try to stay on topic, Leaf.
>>69382984
This was a really great example of effective /pol/ bait
daily reminder that spanking != beating
used effectively and sparingly, spanking is a powerful tool to rear your child
>>69390859
>Psychpathy IQ and Violence in European American and African American County Jail Inmates
kek
You're proving that niggers are violent, not that violence makes stupid. I'm amazed by how clueless you can be.
Oh well, you're leaving anyways. Have a nice day, try not to get shot for your phone.
>>69390859
(you)
>>69390897
What is your point then? If you think spanking doesn't work, then why are you fighting me? If you support spanking, why do you claim that that is not your words? If you are neutral on the subject, why fight for it?
Try to think.
>>69382779
>German humour
Nazism was an excuse to kill you all
>>69390766
Children are very easy to manipulate. If you can't stop one from doing something stupid without hitting it, you suck at parenting.
>>69390766
Depends on the context. Say they are acting up in a restaurant, next time they want to go say no, and explain why. Can also lose a privilige.
Next time if behavior is good, give them back privlige, if it continues get them reward. That works if it's done consistently.
>>69391212
>If you don't agree with me, then clearly you're in direct opposition of whatever I say you are!
I'm still waiting for you to explain how a spank on the bum somehow damages the brain and reduces IQ points. Take your time, leaf.
>>69390774
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQwTJMOqYaE
>>69391094
>You're proving that niggers are violent, not that violence makes stupid.
You're advocating using niggers as a role model for effective parenting.
>>69390700
My Father disciplined me by sitting me down, explaining to me why what I had done was wrong, and then taking away a privilege like gaming or playing with friends. This gave me a good understanding of morality and the reasons for doing good things.
Spanking your children does nothing for their mind, it's simply negative reinforcement. The child does not understanding why he was wrong but just knows that it will bring them pain if done again. It's simply an effortless way to discipline a child and I'd wager it leads to a grey morality where the belief that getting away with the crime is more important than not committing it, which is why niggers love it so much.
I'm not a liberal, I'm a staunch conservative in most matters.
>>69391094
he don't understand on his multicultural head that different races exist
>>69391094
...Low IQ whites also get in prison.
Blacks are not in prison because they are black, they are in prison because crime is for low IQ and lower IQs are a problem among them.
Whites are also in prison. But only the ones with lower IQs.
In-detail explanation:
http://law.jrank.org/pages/1365/Intelligence-Crime-Explaining-IQ-crime-correlation.html
>>69383701
>beating on my sisters or being dishonest as well
Yep acting like a little shit to my mom
She "hit" me, It never hurt she never really laid a hand on me but the fear of her sure did wonders
10/10 good parenting
Thank you mom.
>>69382467
Makes them dumber said a study.
>>69391384
Do some research.
Also, even if we didn't know HOW something did something, we can still know it does it.>>69391396
>>69390766
So your proposal is to intentionally harm your child, even if it doesn't work? Just lash out in frustration?
>>69391259
This too. If you're at the point where you've taken away all of their privileges and they're still not responding, you haven't raised them correctly.
>>69391384
1) I don't understand why you want me to prove it to you if it's truly not your idea that it works as a form of punishment.
2) Physically harming someone in their formative years has psychological implications. IQ is partly environmental.
>>69382467
>only fag parents desire touching their childs butts like this
>>69391396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htO1zpA903s
>>69391467
KEK
>>69382467
millennials are a product of not spanking.
