Who was a better leader
Pinochet or Castro?
>>69366825
clearly Pinochet
Are you a retard? Of course Pinochet was.
Dont compare GOD HIMSELF with that CUBAN Gypsie. Pinochet made Chile great again,and was a true patriot,while Castro took a wealthy island and transformed into a SHITHOLE.Thank you based PINOCHET for killing that pig Allende
The one that didn't wreck their economy and make their country a failed state.
That's like asking if I'd prefer banging my shin on a coffee table or getting my leg stuck in a wood chipper.
>>69367500
So Castro was the better one?
>>69367564
>Sweden
>>69367319
muh "he fixed the economy". kek
>>69367636
>implying Sweden is socialist
also really logical to compare Hong Kong, a city in a country that only has one city, with Havana, a city in a country with alot of cities.
Pinochet took a shit hole and made it the Jewel of South America.
Castro's government is still around so I'll go with him.
>>69366825
Pinochet of course.
>>69366825
>>69367073
>>69367500
>le ebin helicopter ride meme
XDDD
>>69368214
Chile is a democracy today
Cuba isn't
>>69368058
You've got it wrong. He took a jewel and sold it off to the lowest bidder.
>>69368299
Butthurt commie detected
>>69367319
Cuba was a shithole for 99.9% of people living there before Castro took over. It's by no means perfect, but it's better than other countries like nearby Haiti and such bastions against communism.
>>69368303
Elections does not equal democracy you simple cuck.
But that would be too hard for you to understand.
>>69367564
People cross shark-infested waters on home made rafts to leave Cuba. I don't recall too many Chileans being motivated to do the same.
But hey, free healthcare!
>>69368417
Ebin false accusation. I'm not even a communist.
>>69368455
>Cuba was a shithole for 99.9% of people living there before Castro took over.
prove it
>>69366825
castro basically stood 50miles off the coast of the USA and told Reagon to suck his dick. the mans balls are dragging in the sand.
>>69368506
so you managed to miss all the Chileans that fled from Pinochet and his gang of bandits? gg, maybe you would need free glasses.
>>69368322
>Poverty rate before 50%
>Poverty rate after Pinochet 13%
Where the fuck was the jewel hue? Is their beauty in people dying in poverty? Where is the beauty in a mother whoring herself out to feed her children hmm. Where you live in a capitalist country yet have the nerve to hate all its given you.
>>69368673
>given
Let's just ignore all the proofs and instead take some statistics out of context and twist them to fit our agenda!
>>69368764
Those statistics are pretty straight foward
>>69368764
>proofs
Okay Cuba is a shithole where everyone lives in poverty except government officials.
>>69368506
Chile is too far away from the U.S. for that. However, the millions fleeing Haiti, Guatemala, El Salvador, and other former strongholds against leftism far outnumber the hundreds of thousands that have fled Cuba.
I know that people like you love to spam that image, but most non-tinfoil sources point to Cuban healthcare as being nowhere near that level in most cases. Also, a reverse image search points to several propaganda sites as the probable origins of the image.
>>69367073
this
>>69366825
Why the helicopter?
>>69368621
He didn't. Pinochet did. Faggot commies bailed and ran to capitalist cities to shit on Pinochet and "his gang of bandits"
Fucking retards.
Castro
Pinochet was CIA zionist puppet that sold all our resources and industries to foreign enterprises
>>69367744
He saved Chile from dailure and degeneracy. Look at Venezuela. Thanks to this LEGEND,Chile is prosperous. Thanks based Pinochet for understanding that you need lefties blood to save your country.
>>69368976
>hundreds of thousands that have fled Cuba.
2 million Cubans and Cuban Americans in the U.S and they make up the third largest group of Hispanics behind Mexicans and Puerto Ricans in the U.S. Don't try to downplay the shit Castro did to his own country.
>>69369086
Fuckin move to Cuba and enjoy it there then you faggot.
>>69368455
>Comparing Cuba that had GDP per capita higher than most European countries with a nigger shothole like Haiti.
No wonder that you lefties are the laughing stock of the world. You are border line retarded
>>69369310
It's a shame what happened to Cuba
>>69369086
>implying Pinochet and his capitalist legacy wasn't a net positive
Even Canada doesn't lease out land or sell materials to foreign countries.
I just went to Chile this last Christmas. And I went to Cuba 3 years ago.
Without a doubt, the situation is much better in Chile. Cuba should have been much better off than Chile due to proximity with USA.
But Castro fucked his people just like Allende. You must be one of those liberal arts cucks demanding free education while voting for that cunt bachelet.
You need a helicopter ride.
>>69369434
It is. Diaspora fag here. If you ask my family this question they will probably beat you. No kidding.
>>69369454
-doesn't
(Because we do)
>>69369527
t.Whitest person in spain
>>69369198
That was no my point sack of shit.
Cuba is not a perfect utopia, but at least they keep their honor fighting USA intervention on their territory.
But I guess if your a submissive boot-licker of the rich class you may love Pinochet.
>>69368976
How many guats or Haitians or Dominicans fled to Cuba which is right there?
Pinochet,Franco and Yew proved that socialism is retarded and that capitalism is the superior system. Thank you based leaders for leading the charge against lefties scum
>>69369527
I'm a diasporafag too but I just asked the question to see the debate
>>69369613
>they keep their honor fighting USA intervention on their territory
So much honor in enslaving your own people
>>69367073
Fuck that's gold m8.
>>69369593
Dont doubt it. Not a single drop of Moor or native blood.
I seriously don't get why does /pol/ has such a hard on for this uneducated thug.
He was basically a kike/CIA puppet who sucked the dick of every Chicago school jew he could find. He basically gave the country away for peanuts to foreigners interests for short term profit.
Yes he stopped DA EVIL COMMUNISTS >:( but if you really look at it he only killed a handfull of lefties, while torturing a bunch of innocent people and shitting up the political spectrum for generations to come.
May I add he didnt care about his military buddies once it was clear that the justice system wouldn't go after him for human rights violations. His political legacy is in shambles, no street names or public monuments for him, and supporting him in public equals political suicide.
>>69369758
>enslaved
Wut
>>69369672
I hope that things get better. I want to see my grandfathers grave
>>69369878
hehehe
>>69369613
Except Pinochet helped the middle class faggot. The most important class. Look at your country now, helping poor people giving them "bonos" that they don't use to improve their status, they waste it in stupid shit like TVs. Bachelet and later Lagos will end up fucking the country.
It's Ok to give money to the poor so they can improve, but when they use it in other shit and luxury stuff and then ask for more it is depressing.
>>69369884
The kikery was way stronger under Frei and Lagos senpai.
>>69370156
Tbh what commie country can you accuse of giving poor people luxuries they don't need
Pinochet
>>69366825
Pinochet
He may have been a brutal dictator, but what he did was peanuts in the grand scheme of other commie dictators.
And Chile is now the third best economy in the americas and the best country in south america while cuba is still a poverty shithole
>>69368621
We got shitloads of shit-tier Chilean commies. Rossana Dimarca and other communist spawn moved here because of that cuck Olof Palme.
>>69368866
Bullshit, I just searched that graph. Nothing that extraordinary.
>Pinochet: from 50% to 13% poverty rates.
>Castro:took forth wealthiest place in America and turn it into a shithole.
This comparison couldnt be more retarded
>>69367073
did they shoot the men before throwing them off the helicopters?
>>69371728
Chile is basically as wealthy as Portugal right now. Pinochet made that happen.
>>69368531
Sure your not
>>69369878
If your ancestors came from anywhere other than Castille you are not a white spaniard.
The ONLY. ONLY kingdom of spain to fully resist the shitskin invasion
>>69372242
My family is from Cantabria faggot. Never conquered.
Ask yourself: what would the jews answer?
The answer is Castro. Too many people (americans) are too obsessed with opposing the reds and regressive flag-patriotism to realize that economic policy is irrelevant. Castro fought for national sovereignty and Pinochet served a globalist agenda, therefore from a nationalist viewpoint Castro was the good guy of the two.
>>69372432
Castro was a jew himself. He was angry for power.
>>69372568
Hungry for power kek
>>69372432
>economics is irrelevant
You fucking mongrel do you realize how stupid you sound? Also fun fact Cuba was basically a soviet satellite, so much for sovereignty.
>>69372637
Based kiwi.
>>69372038
I know it's much better now. But its nowhere near as close as the graph he posted. Unless I didn't check the Y axis
>>69367319
>wealthy island
>full of niggers
can't blame castro for everything.
>>69372432
> national sovereignty
"Pls daddy USSR gib more subsidies"
>>69372432
Castro was a soviet satellite. In what ways was Pinochet a "globalist"? Because he liberalized the economy?
>>69372816
It wasnt like that before. He kicked all the whites.
I don't know but Castro was the epitome of the alpha man. If he didn't side with the commies, /pol/ would be all over his dick. What he accomplished is truly incredible.
>>69368455
>Cuba was a shithole for 99.9% of people living there before Castro took over.
Cuba was the 3rd wealthiest country in the Americas after the USA and Canada...
>>69372978
>What he accomplished is truly incredible?
Turning Cuba into Africa?
>>69372978
>What he accomplished is truly incredible.
Yeah, turning a successful country into a total shithole despite receiving billions of dollars of soviet subsidies is truly a feat.
>>69372801
Just look at current poverty rates. The graph is accuarate. It talks about PIB per capita not equality though
>>69367636
Why does /pol/ continue to use facebook tier images to prove their points?
I'm sure any fucking country would look like that when they have the total lock down embargo that Cuba had to deal with.
>>69373035
That was in 1898. At that time Argentina had surprassed Cuba. But he still managed to destroy Cuba.
>>69366825
Castro. Wins.
Pinochet "The Cuck In White"
>>69373261
Hong kong had an embargo from China too. Why dont you inform yourself ?
>>69372978
Also for the record Cuba and Chile are merely 4 places away from each other on the HDI in terms of scoring their difference is 1/3 of the difference between Norway and the Netherlands.
>>69373271
Actually by the 1950s the Peronists had already destroyed Argentina's economy.
I wonder if in fact, in the 1950s, it was not Venezuela which was the richest latin american country.
Giddings? Castro was too merciful he should have executed all the criminals that went to Florida.
>>69372952
South American nations with US-aligned governments are globalist because being US-aligned means you are controlled by the jewish-capitalist global order which seeks to annihilate all national and regional cultures in service of capital.
The Soviet bloc post-Stalin didn't have such insidious goals but merely sought to engage in simple geopolitical power plays therefore from a nationalist point of view it didn't represent much of an evil to be opposed but instead was a positive force insofar as it opposed the western order.
>>69373478
The HDI is a measure invented by a communist poo2loo economist. It has limited value.
>>69368611
>if only because they sagged so low due to his decrepit age
He ran to the USSR like a bitch and had Russia protect him
>>69373070
>>69373093
It's less of a shithole than many US aligned South American countries and just as much of a shithole as Chile.
And really that's not the point I was making. I was talking about Castro as a military figure. You cannot deny that he was incredibly successful in that regard.
>>69373478
Because Cuba the rest of America is ficked by the war in drugs and most of the caribean are brown shitholes? On top of that the USSR financed Cuba for years,preventing it from total empobrishment
>>69373622
>Criminals
The only criminals are the Castros and their sympathizers
>>69373642
>South American nations with US-aligned governments are globalist because being US-aligned means you are controlled by the jewish-capitalist global order which seeks to annihilate all national and regional cultures in service of capital.
Oh yeah, it's a known fact that internationalist marxists like Castro were huge fans of preserving cultural differences!
I mean, just look at the very careful preservation of traditional chinese culture under Mao!
Top fucking kek, what the fuck are you smoking? "Workers of the world unite" ring a bell?
>>69373556
Nah. In the 60s Argentina was Italy tier. Venezuela was booming,but I dont think that they were that wealthy
>>69368303
And that shows that Pinochet was a worse authoritarian leader: He couldn't maintain control.
>>69373763
Thats not the joke my fat american friend.
>Cuba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eMLk1nQh5o
Based Pinochet was a visionarry, leftypol needs to leave
>>69373642
This.
Chomsky's thesis about US Marines guaranteeing the price of bananas doesn't make any sense -- who cares about bananas, especially during a Depression -- until you learn the names of the banana plantation owners.
During the Chavez era there was a "man on the street" interview of Chavez critics: wealthy Jews at an upmarket grocery. South American Corruption is Jews.
>>69373642
>this is what politically illiteral stormfags actually believe
>>69373686
>It's less of a shithole than many US aligned South American countries and just as much of a shithole as Chile.
It's so far worse than Chile. It's like saying that North Korea is just as good as South Korea.
>And really that's not the point I was making. I was talking about Castro as a military figure. You cannot deny that he was incredibly successful in that regard.
No he wasn't, the Batista regime was crumbling, the bay of pigs a half assed attempt. Whenever he left his shitty island he got shrekt.
>>69373863
Pinochet willingly left power you dumb fucking nigger. He ACTUALLY listened to the people.
>>69373863
He saved his country and did his duty. He wasnt a powerhungry moron like " the jew" Castro
>>69373686
Meh. Most of the Cuban public supported him because they all hated Batista, even the wealthy ones. Of course, he only got their support by promising to restore democracy. Once he gained power he made himself dictator for life. The guy is a total faggot.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/comandante-pre-castro-cuba/
"Even Castro -- a dynamic national figure following his failed Moncada assault of 1953 -- spoke in those terms. "Not Communism or Marxism is our idea. Our political philosophy is representative democracy and social justice in a well-planned economy." Many wealthy Cubans welcomed Castro's rebel triumph in January 1959. "My parents, my grandparents and my uncles went out and paid their back taxes," recalls Professor Marifeli Pérez Stable, 'because finally, there was going to be an honest government in Cuba.'"
>>69373622
It so easy to shitpost. I guess that if Finland lost the winter war,and Stalin webt full berserker on Finns,Finnish genocide would be justified
>>69373808
It doesn't matter what the theory was or even what people thought they were supporting but what the actual effects were.
The USSR retained their original marxist doctrine theoretically but after a while it really became just symbols. Stalin transformed the country into practically a Russian nationalist state.
Similarily, Castro was at heart a fierce Cuban patriot. He adopted marxism-leninism and purported to believe in it's tenets but really it was just a means to advance to cause of sovereignety and oppose the US in a Cold war world.
>>69374391
>Cuban patriot.
>Willingly destroys his country and stablished a banana republic in a prosperous island.
>>69369664
>Pinochet,Franco and Yew proved that socialism is retarded and that capitalism is the superior system. Thank you based leaders for leading the charge against lefties scum
Lee Kwan Yew may have proved that capitalism is superior, but he also proved that laissez-faire is for retards. What is sovereign wealth fund?
>>69374391
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization
>Finlandization (Finnish: suomettuminen; Swedish: finlandisering; German: Finnlandisierung) is the process by which one powerful country strongly influences the policies of a smaller neighboring country, while allowing it to keep its independence and its own political system. The term literally means "to become like Finland" referring to the influence of the Soviet Union on Finland's policies during the Cold War (And the influence of the United States on Mexico's policies as counterpart).
>The term is generally considered pejorative, originating in West German political debate of the late 1960s and 1970s. As the term was used in Germany and other NATO countries, it referred to the decision of a country not to challenge a more powerful neighbour in foreign politics, while maintaining national sovereignty. It is commonly used in reference to Finland's policies in relation to the Soviet Union during the Cold War, but it can refer more generally to similar international relations, such as Denmark's attitude toward Germany between 1871 and 1940, or the policies of the Swiss government towards the German Nazi regime immediately before World War II.
literally state sponsored self cucking
Finland fagged out
>>69374032
>No he wasn't, the Batista regime was crumbling, the bay of pigs a half assed attempt. Whenever he left his shitty island he got shrekt.
Oh fuck off already. He organized a militia without any help from any of the major powers, invaded a US sponsored warlord's territory, fought him, won, and kept the US at bay for more than half a century all while living a mere few miles of the coast of Florida.
Trying to be objective with you people is a waste of time. All you are interested in is circlejerking.
I'm not trying to praise anyone or take sides. I have not beef in this, unlike you faggots who seem to have taken sides as if they were family or something.
Anyway, keep circlejerking. I'm done.
>>69366825
Pinochet, obviously.
>>69369884
This. Pinochet only looks good in comparison to other Latin American leaders. It's like being the smartest retard.
Fuck imagine if Singapore got that Jew Castro and Cuba got Lee. http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2015/04/10/a-tale-of-two-economies-singapore-and-cuba/#7f5aedc94a50
So fucking depressing
>>69374697
Well he's right through only idiots support complete laissez-faire I mean this jew proved minimal interference is best.
>>69374697
That is not socialism
>>69374786
see >>69374289
It wasn't that hard to do what he did when literally everyone in Cuba hated the existing government.
>>69374786
>fought him
Kek no he didn't. The regime had already collapsed you fucking idiot.
>and kept the US at bay for more than half a century all while living a mere few miles of the coast of Florida.
He didn't do shit, big brother USSR did the heavy lifting.
The reason why Castro wasn't crushed like the maggot he was is because Kennedy the cuck agreed to let him stay in exchange for the USSR withdrawing their missiles during the Cuban missile crisis.
The idea that Castro possesses an army capable of resisting the american military for "half a century" is hilarious.
>I'm done.
Yeah go suck a fat nigger dick you cocksucking commie
>>69374849
Pinochet cut poverty from 50% to 13%. I guess that he wasnt that big of a retard wasnt he?
This
It's funny Castro is mentioned, since he basically disapproved of Allende's tactics for being too democratic. I'm a huge Allende apologist in the sense that he was buttfucked by both sides as declaring his rule as socialist alienated the capitalist powers to the point of boycotting him (IMF), but also wanting to play by democratic rules made the explicit soviet dictators not go so crazy over the fact that him succeeding would make them look bad and their tyranny unnecessary. Whatever he did the term was gonna end badly in retrospect (a sad little underdog, much like Hitler).
White nationalists here are crazy if they think the zealousness they'd guard their sovereignty with isn't a right for us in our own territories as well. I generally agree with a lot of foreign intervention the US does in the middle east for example, but it's all a matter of specifics anyway to begin with, you people conveniently ignore facts like how the economic miracle depended on a number of iffy and fortuitous factors anyway, and the social spending was near null. I know handouts are hated around here and rightly so, but the fact not one single hospital was built under Pinochet's 17 year rule shows more than a simple aversion to playing charity with the state, not to mention all the swiss bank account bonus he gave himself.
>>69374962
>only idiots support complete laissez-faire
this is pol the place is crawling with libertarians.
>I mean this jew proved minimal interference is best.
Chink and gook countries of various stripes are proving that a certain kind of paternalistic interference is even better.
>>69366825
Castro.
>>69375519
What was Allende's inflation? Saying that the economic miracle happened because of luck is just retarded. Allende in 3 years destroyed the economy to a point that there was almost no coming back
>>69375723
Libertarians/=laissez-faire
Which Gook counties?
>>69375723
China is about to explode. The most stable economies there are Singapure,Hong kong and Taiwan. A small goverment with very few interventionism is the superior system as for right now.
>>69375519
Allende literally caused starvation and inflation rates that make Venezuela look like a deflatory country. The coup was needed to fix that crap,as a coup is needed in Venezuela
>>69375967
>China is about to explode
I thought it was about to implode? I can't keep the chink-hater story straight in my head. Meanwhile of the three others you've named only Hong Kong might qualify as a "small government with very few interventionism." Both Taiwan and Singapore exercise vigorous, albeit very different, industrial policies.
>>69375884
>Libertarians/=laissez-faire
I'm not sure I see the distinction you're trying to make.
>Which Gook counties?
South Korea (already industrialized, still growing vigorously) and Vietnam (rapidly industrializing). Compare them with countries guided by the Washington Consensus.
>>69376341
Not exactly. In Venezuela pepole still have faith in democracy. In in Chile pepole had lost faith in the sistem.
>>69376563
>I'm not sure I see the distinction you're trying to make.
Libertarians support policies which make the economy more competitive, like anti trust laws.
Laissez faire just means doing nothing.
Laissez faire and libertarianism are not at all the same thing. Did you get brainwashed by commies?
>>69376378
Expending=/=paternalism
As long as there are few regulations it is a small goverment with few interventionism. The % of the goverment in the GDP in Singapore is amongst the smallest in the developed countries
>>69371728
that's a pretty fucking dramatic rise, euro-hue.
>>69376864
So many time this. People are buying the comi propaganda that libertarians what to stop helping people make money or some stupid shit like that,
>>69369664
Cara al sol...
>>69376563
As far as I recall,most of south Korean's success comes from the high private investment in D & research
>>69377741
Jose Antonio was a socialist. It was catholics that were in charge of the economic miracle. 50s Falangist/protectionism,60s catholics and open markets
I remember hearing the amazing stories from my anthropology profs about how Milton Friedman flew over Chile in a jet bought for him by Ronald Reagan, parachuted into the capital, and raged hard throughout the city, indiscriminately snapping the necks of every Chilean woman and child to cross his path of mayhem. Friedman's evil rampage prevented the nascent communist grassroots movement, which was almost as popular with the Chilean people as it was with American humanities professors, from reaching fruition. This was a tragedy of epic proportions because the command and control economy was about to usher in a new golden age of economic and sociopolitical utopia. While Friedman was finishing ripping the beating hearts out of the chests of old women and eating them as he quoted passages from Free to Choose, the Chilean people learned to never question the capitalist overlords from Chicago. Legends of the shock doctrine, the massacre of the innocents at the hands of Friedman, spread throughout Latin America to American campuses. When news of the story broke among sociology and gender studies departments there was a collective wail of morning and gnashing of teeth. The critical literary theorists had been unrelenting in their support of the burgeoning Soviet Union at the turn of the century, and they saw what wonders it had worked firsthand for the people of Russia. They felt that they had failed their Chilean brothers. Friedman eventually returned to Chicago from Chile, to return to his Hyde Park throne which was a living chair made from the bodies of welfare recipients, whom were forced to bear their weight of the Libertarian death machine day and night lest their families face the libertarian wrath that had been unleashed in Chile. Now Friedman is lionized by a coalition of Neo nazis, Jewish industrialists, and the religious right, to continue to keep our poor brothers and sisters downtrodden and controlled. Friedman can never die. He is always watching.
And waiting.
What did Pinochete do Wrong?
He is a God from what I hear....
>>69378184
Nothing he was a yrue patriot. Inflation was at 600% and poverty at 51% and look at what he did. He was the chosen one to elevate Chile into Latam's podium of greatness.
>>69378602
He is in Heaven now.
I fucking Hate chilen people who dislike him
He fucking saved them
>>69366825
Castro was a Soviet puppet
Pinochet was a US puppet
Makes no fucking difference, puppets are degenerates and happy with being dominated so they should be shot in the head. Fuck /pol/ for worshiping them
>>69366825
Based Pinochet of course
>>69378835
Chile was starving to death. Cuba was a prosperous colony with corruption problems
There is the difference
>>69379063
This
>>69366825
Faggot.
>>69373721
well that's why cuba had famines during the 90's but they have recovered from the ussr downfall, and with the embargo what they're doing is not that bad, especially for a country that does not have half the ressources of chile
>>69378835
>doing something good for your people is automatically wrong if you aren't doing it 100% independently
>>69377403
the rise is after pinochet
>>69369884
>May I add he didnt care about his military buddies once it was clear that the justice system wouldn't go after him for human rights violations. His political legacy is in shambles, no street names or public monuments for him, and supporting him in public equals political suicide.
That's not surprising, education in Latin American countries is in the hands of communists so they spin the narrative in their favour. That's why people outside Chile have a clearer and more objective view on Pinochet, and admire him accordingly.
>>69380219
Their "recovery" was fueled by Venezuelan oil money, and now that Venezuela has also collapsed they hope to latch into the U.S. again.
Cuba has no means to exist autonomously.
>>69366825
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>>69369086
t. Izquierdo Rojas
