Pros and Cons of both.
>>69314120
Trump:
>Pro: will make America great again
>Con: can only run for two terms
Bernie:
>pro: dude free shit lmao
>con: have to pay for it
>>69314342
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>>69314120
>Pros(both): Butthurt establishment
>Cons (both): Wouldn't get shit done in office
TRUMP
Pros:
>Will revive a nationalist spirit in the US
>Will slow down immigration
>Better economic policies
>Repeal Obamacare + make health insurance more competitive therefore cheaper
>Not a shill
>Pro Israel
Cons:
>Pro-life
BERNIE:
Pros:
>Single Payer Healthcare
>Not a shill
Cons:
>Will popularize SJW/tumblr culture in America
>Free healthcare? Let's not stop there! Free EVERYTHING!!
>$15 min wage
>>69314342
first post best post
>>69314120
>literally Hitler
vs
>businessman who loves America
>sanders
cuck
>trump
alpha male
>>69315633
>BERNIE:
>Pros:
>>Single Payer Healthcare
>>69314342
What is the "great" time period of America? He never addresses what he means by making it great again.
>>69315925
Single Payer healthcare actually works
whodathunk
>>69314342
This.
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>>69316000
Waste of trips
Private healthcare is better
More firms = competition = driving down of prices, better plans, more options, government doesn't have to spend. It just has to be done within the right framework no crony shit like we have now.
Single payer is a disaster for large countries unless it's a supplement like medicare
>>69316000
But the doctors can't buy 6 Ferraris out of pocket with that system.
>>69315974
before slavery ended and women had the right to vote
>>69315633
>Bernie
>not a shill
he votes with the democrats 98% of the time.
>>69316449
At least he's consistent
Unlike the "former" Hillary Democrat
>>69316269
Problem is when the insurance a person doesn't cover a particular affliction a person or persons could not predict.
Hospitals artificially inflate prices so that insurance companies can haggle down.
Making insurance more competitive only covers one side of the pricing issue, but doesn't tackle the whole problem.
It's just simple fact that single-payer will always be cheaper for the majority over time when profits are eliminated.
>>69316449
He actually believes his shit with all his heart, so technically not a shill.
>>69314120
Trump
>Pro: Will hire competent people for cabinet
>Will renew national spirit
>Kill leftist movement ( hopefully but probably strengthen it )
>Fiscally conservative but not socially
>Get to watch liberals lose
>Con: Might not know what he's doing
>Won't apologize for dumb shit even when clearly in the wrong
>>69316000
>confiscating your paycheck to provide you, carlos, and shaniqua with substandard care
>works
Get a job, fag.
>>69316576
this
Insurane companies will always make profit no matter how much competition there is and this makes it more expensive for YOU. Free market doesnt work when theres a monopoly or a cartel.
>>69314120
birdboy vs God Emperor
>>69314120
Trump pros:
>going to bring jobs back
>we're going to make
>you wouldn't have
>that I can tell you
>you have to!
>it's going to be
Trump cons:
>we don't win anymore
>give me a break
>all over the place
>look at what's
>one of the worst
>tens of thousands of people
Bernie pros:
>a political revolution
>millions of people
>all over this country
>only major country on Earth
>I think we have got to
>what we need to do is
Bernie cons:
>to the top one percent
>Secretary Clinton is
>as I understand
>a tax on Wall Street speculation
>let me just say this
>here is the
>second of all
>millions of people
>>69315974
I'm guessing around WWII-era and the FDR presidency
>>69314120
Bernie said that whites can't be poor. Mark my words, this is just the start of the anti-white shit he'll roll out in his quest for power.
>>69315974
Around the time Jackson was president.
>>69317090
It's called taxes. That's what we have them for. At some point, our money is going to be "confiscated" as long as we live in a country with a government, especially to pay for things nearly EVERY citizen will have to pay for at some point in his or her life.
Single Payer system doesn't eliminate private hospitals from running independently, and doesn't muddy quality. So assuming you are in the very small minority that needs and can afford some extra special experimental operations, that is still available.
But for anyone else that needs proper healthcare coverage and pricing, there's Single Payer.
>>69314120
I'll vote for whoever puts Hilary in jail for treason.
>>69316269
you can't have it without the crony shit tho
>>69317446
>Trump cons:
No
>Get 'im out! / Get 'im outta here!
???!!
>>69314342
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>>69316000
Single Payer Healthcare is a monopoly on health insurance which, like any monopoly, inadvertently leads to higher prices and sub-standard insurance. Additionally, the state and health are facilities become inextricably linked which induces nepotism through counter-intuitive legislation and regulations.
TRUMP
Pros:
>Anti corporate trade deal
>Smarter immigration; full enforcement of immigration law and restrictions on HB1
>Competitive health care plans
>Less interventionist foreign policy, especially vs. rest of GOP
>Appears strong; American version of Putin without manlet status.
>Media darling but also fights back
>Everyone gets a tax cut
> Social security retirement age will not be increased
>Not a shill
>Probably doesn't care about social issues such as abortion despite claiming he does; leans towards "negative liberty" ("New York values")
Cons:
>Protectionism means higher costs for goods
>Thin-skinned, gets mad over smallest of insults and wastes his time and energy on bloggers and Tweets
>Gun views may be more liberal than he is currently campaigning as
>Increases debt
>Full retard 4th amendment views; overly pro-cop, NSA, etc.
>Probably a conservative-leaning nationalist progressive ie: Teddy Roosevelt.
BERNIE:
Pros:
>Anti corporate trade deal
>Proworker immigration (no HB1)
>Competitive health care plans
>Less interventionist foreign policy especially vs. Hillary
>Less anti-gun especially vs. Hillary
>Respects 4th amendment rights to some degree
>Not a shill
Cons:
>Single payer healthcare
>Pro rapefugee
>Appears weak as fuck; can't stand up for himself and can't even call out Hillary by name in attacks against her
>Also Jewish; may be an issue with middle eastern diplomacy
>Cares too much about social issues; will incorporate "positive liberty" politics (SJW, PC, etc)
>Gun views, while better than Democrat consensus, are still not very pro 2nd amendment.
>EVERYONE gets a tax raise. EVERYONE.
>HEAVILY increases debt. Argues that tax hikes will offset without taking long term consequences of tax hikes into consideration.
>Just an economic illiterate in general.
> Victim blames in issues where conservative is victim (ie: BLM, anti-Trump protests, etc)
>Socialist ie: Eugene Debs; BUT overly pro-Israel socialists in Europe do not want to be associated with him.
Bernie
>pros: normies like him and he is acceptable to talk about in polite company
>cons: has no idea how economics works. will probably die of old age before his term ends.
Trump
>pros: God Emperor. Will bring Oreos back.
>cons: normies think he's hitler. will probably be shot before his term ends.
>>69317914
>like any monopoly, inadvertently leads to higher prices and sub-standard insurance.
It only does so when it comes to monopolies that work for profit.
So far we're seeing that every single country with Single Payer pays FAR less (not even close) than the US.
>Bernie
Pros: honesty, and good intentions
Cons: the law of unintended consequences exists
>Trump
Pros: brass balls
Cons: on pace for a brokered convention
>>69315974
Before PC culture and SJWs took over the political spotlight
>>69317860
isn't his real first name Rafael?
Will someone shop Bernies logo on this?
>>69318334
even the dog knows they fucked up
>>69318408
No.... The dog IS the dad
>>69317949
Wanted to clarify the last con with the Bern. He seems like a socialist ("muh democratic socialism" fags gtfo) but the fact that he's pro-Israel is why a lot of socialists, especially in Europe, don't like him having that label.
He's a socialist much like how Rand Paul is a libertarian in that he might not be "pure" but he incorporates enough of that sort of thinking in his politics to the point where it defines him well enough. You can argue about democratic socialism much like how Randlet argued "constitutional conservative" (which is now Lyin' Ted's label) or "libertarian-leaning conservative" but for example, if you believed libertarianism was bad, you would not have liked Rand.
Socialism is severely flawed and, yes, Bernie would bring those flaws in his Presidency and fuck up the economy. It's driving his rhetoric.
>>69314120
Realistically......
> Bernie
Pros:
Bernie is making Hillary work for what was decided for us from a backroom deal back in 2008.
Cons:
He has no idea what the economy is and probably thinks tax money comes from unicorn farts. Also he pussed out on Vermont's gun laws when called on it. Did the liberal line about hunting or some shit.
> Trump
Pros: He brought the blight of illegal immigration to the forefront when both parties and ALL of media are certain it is the greatest thing ever. His tax code sounds great, and he's spot on concerning Common Core and the 2nd Amendment. And he's straightedge before that was even a thing.
Cons:
He didn't always think like this. He's a bombastic baby boomer real estate developer from NY. And is VERY rough around the edges.
But I don't care that much because if he gets in with his "extreme views" on having borders & laws there is no fucking way in hell he could be ignored on it.
>>69318060
The health care can't even compare to the US, and the notion that profit is some waste or evil is complete ignorance to the economic laws. The use of profit in the health care sector is utilized to fund additional research in the health care industry which enhances the efficiency and innovation of future health care applications. The US provides a large chunk of medical innovation out of the whole world which Europe benefits from.
>>69317446
Probably one of the most unbiased shit posts ive seen from the leaf
>>69314120
Sanders: cuck
Trump: not a cuck
>>69318469
Jesus, how does someone get that fat?
Who the fuck even makes clothes that size?
>>69318334
>>69314342
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>>69318583
>Common Core
Good PRO, I missed that one.
>>69318801
No idea. Funnily enough, it's hard for me to find clothes thanks to /fit/. Regular shirts and stuff are made for fatties. Slim fit and my tailor are how I don't look like shit thanks to staying healthy and lifting.
>>69314120
Trump is a pro, Bernie is a con.
>>69316319
Oh no, highly skilled workers cant enjoy the work of the years of education and money they've put into.
