The trolley is about to run over 5 people, but you can pull the lever to kill one guy instead. Will you do it?
Clearly the lever should be pulled because more lives will be saved.
>But murder
Fuck you for not wanting to give up your humanity to save people
>Curve ball
That one guy has the cure for cancer
>>69303020
Multitrack drifting.
>>69303020
Simple
depends on who they are. is anyone my dad? is anyone that asshole who cut me off in traffic?
>not being powerful enough to stop a train with your bare hands
PFFT, weaklings
Pull the lever and untie the single guy. Save everyone.
Don't be retarded op the world isn't black and white
>>69303020
i wouldnt do anything because you'd get charged with murder if you did, but if i couldnt be charged I'd change it easily
what are the ethnicities of the people in question?
>>69303198
only answer
>>69303020
Kill the one guy then bio-fuse him into a trolley.
>>69303020
Obviously anybody in a common sense would kill 5 guys because other one has cure for cancer - something that takes away millions.
Government would do the same.
>>69303020
The only moral action is not doing anything at all.
>>69303020
Are any of them muslims? I choose the track that kills the muslims.
>>69303215
>>69303245
Its a morals question, specifically about murder vs. letting people die. You assume you can't just untie people and you dob't know who they are
I do nothing. I know nothing about these people or the measure of their lives. Let the trolley go where it may and help untie the guy who is stuck on the tracks.
>>69303020
>>69303446
then i do nothing. it's not my problem and i have no information to to judge them by. why should i give a shit?
360 walk away
>>69303472
its a morals question, nobody said you could untie them
>>69303020
Something that always bothered me about this situation.
The situation is not completely explained.
Are you a switch operator?
Is it your express responsibility to make this decision?
If not, then you can do nothing, let the 5 people die and be completely innocent.
The scenario always seems to imply that the responsibility for the decision is already on you. In reality, if you just stumbled upon the situation with no prior thought, you are not responsible for any outcome.
>>69303605
The only correct answer
>>69303020
>even putting your hand on the lever
>not standing and watching
fuck you AND your shitty "moral" dilemmas
>>69303020
if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice
>>69303020
i'd send it down b. then I only have to pay for one asshole to get foodstamps
>>69303741
>NEGATION IS OPPOSITE HUUURRRRRRRR
>>69303612
I was talking about after the event is over. Nothing happens in a vacuum. I'm assuming that once the mess is over I'll be able to help the guy who is left who is no doubt traumatized from having severed heads flying by him as he lays helplessly.
>>69303299
Sweden NO!
>>69303020
the guy on the top trolley has a different face from the rest of them, he knows he has to die
let him become a martyr for people tied to train tracks everywhere
also the person who tied the person is the murderer. I guess the person pulling the lever could have tied them up and flipped a coin to see who dies, but why would the person do that in such a public place where he inevitably is going to get caught
>>69303020
Why should I care about any of them?
>>69303020
A plane is about to crash with no survivors, but you can crash it and expect one of us in the wreckage brother. Will you do it?
Clearly the plane should be crashed because the fire has been started.
>But CIA
Fuck you for not wanting to shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane
>>69303741
What of you don't have enough time to decide?
>>69303232
>tfw starting strength so I actually am strong enough
>>69303020
Just suplex the train.
>>69303020
Nobody here cares about your sandnigger cuck religion tho
Pull the lever
![char_118841[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1hLQsSI.jpg "char_118841[1].jpg")
ZA WARUDO!!
>>69303741
Yup. Inaction still means guilt.
If I'm being held responsible for any of both outcomes I'd rather kill all them six.
>>69303020
what a pointless question, this scenario does not and will never exist. this is why analytic moral philosophy is utterly pointless
>>69303645
Detonate the bomb.
>>69303020
Depends on who's the one guy.
If it's Donald Trump, of course I'll save him, if it's Carl the Cuck, then I'll make sure he gets run down
>>69303020
Human lives are not important in a vacuum, one must look a personal responsibility and decisions. I would derail the train by switching the lever as the front of it passes but before the rear does.
I would then walk to the tied up people and give them a choice: I will either kill you all or let one of you go, if you can vote among yourselves who should live and come to a 5-0 consensus.
I will go to the one tied up man and offer him the choice of dying to save the 5 tied up opposite him, or letting him go but only if he agrees to kill all 5.
Then I would simply walk away, reneging on both promises and ignoring their decision or cries for help.
>>69304471
under-fucking-rated
>>69304891
>>69304513
>>69304176
Tfw not knowing how a morals problem works
Let me break it down for you. Would you kill the few to save the many?
>>69303020
Kill the five guys and the one guy you didn't kill will keep your secret.
>>69305346
what if it's zoe quinn and the five guys she fucked?
>>69303020
pull lever as train is half over the split in the tracks, the front half of the train will go left and the back end will go straight, thus halting the train.
no one dies
>>69305310
Depends what the cause is.
>>69305417
that will only achieve MULTI-TRACK DRIFTING
which is laudable in it's own right
>>69303020
at least, make it /pol/ related
well /pol/?
>>69304772
That sounds too much like Nuremberg kangaroo court talk. No thanx.
>>69305521
nahh, the tracks are not parallel enough.
tram or train axels dont turn that much. the train would halt.
>>69303198
underbamped
>>69303020
This is a time question. It depends. If the one person is someone I knew and personally cared about then yeah. I would kill those other 5 people. But if they're all random people then of course I would let the 1 guy die.
and all these edgy/funni faggots saying both or being smartasses "WHy NoT UnTI them???!" stfu please
>>69304772
Guys that makes Brazil a giant prison full of lazy fucks, then.
>>69303020
This situation is fucking pathetic as a moral dilemma, if you decide to not pull the lever even though you can, you're effectively killing five people. No matter what you do, blood is on your hands, you hold some level of responsibility.
>>69303103
Kill the five, obviously. The cure for cancer will ultimately save more lives.
>>69305628
>this is a time question
fuck me. I meant to say lame question
>>69305463
holy fucking shit I give up
>>69303020
Third option, derail before the switch and kill em all.
Would i have enough time to rape them or would the train hit them?
>>69305524
MULTI
>>69305381
Do the same thing, then you get to kill her yourself and the dying cucks in their gargling last breaths can watch .
>>69305310
Nah, letting die is much less of a crime than killing in my book.
>>69303717
Is george lopez a new meme?
>>69305867
>>69303020
Depends on the kind of people who are tied up. If the 4 people below are degenerates (criminals, feminists, commies, Jihadists, etc.) and the 1 is not, then the 4 people will die.
Save the one who deserves to live, then let die who deserves to die.
It was a very easy choice.
If they're all degenerates, see
>>69303198
>>69305524
I think the Hebrew would be a safer option so save.
this was done by /his/ like yesterday, this thread isn't even original
>>69303020
>>69303741
I WILL CHOOSE A PATH THATS CLEAR,
I WILL CHOOSE FREE WILL!
>>69303741
I'm the only one of you fuckers to get this aren't I?
>>69306143
There's still a greater loss of life. You can either commit yourself to consistency and do nothing, commit yourself to consistency and kill the one and then dedicate your life to saving as many people as possible, or you can be a hypocrite and kill the one.
>>69305524
Go for the top. Slimes are easy to "erase". The other isn't. If you're presented with the opportunity, you take it.
>>69306143
there's a logical fallacy there. Doing the bare minimum to intervene is not the same as spending your entire life crusading for saving other people's lives.
If everyone did the bare minimum nobody would die because of inaction. If everybody did nothing, we would all be like Brazil.
I'd just turn 360 degrees and walk away
>>69303020
Are they all white?
>>69303020
pulling would be immoral its not your call
from a merely moral standpoint, with no other options, you pull the lever.
But you have all the other shit. guilt you have to live with, keeps most people from doing nothing. If they do nothing then they didn't kill anyone, right?
>>69303020
If you don't leave it alone, you won't get to see it do a couple of sweet flips.
>>69305755
True, but if you cured cancer, then population would grow even faster.
>>69306062
aussie bringin the bantz. thats the only correct answer.
>>69305310
Everyone is not created equal. killing 1000 enemy civilians to save 1 White Soldier is Worth it, since they are our people.
>>69303118
>>69303198
>>69304772
What makes you think I feel guilty?
>>69306436
>There's still a greater loss of life.
How would you determine that those five lives are worth more than the one individual? The one could be a Ph.D in something that would benefit humanity whilst the five could be child molesters, etc.
>>69306475
Does spreading hashtags and buying merchandise constitute as a bare minimum like with Kony 2012, Paris, Brussels, etc? I think some lives are worth more than others as nobody is truly born equal. (Unless they are twins, triplets, etc.) The death of the one individual would be a tragedy for one single family and they would have to bare that for the rest of their lives, but if the group died, there would already be a support network available between their families.
>>69303020
Depends. Is the guy I save white? Are the other 5 white? I will choose whichever option maximizes dead non-whites.
t. /pol/
>>69303020
I legitimately don't understand why someone wouldn't pull the lever.
It's just basic mathematics, 5 lives > 1 life
>>69303020
depends on the people
I'd just switch the tracks while singing Eeny, meeny, miny, moe. That's the only right way to face this shit.
>>69305389
Lold
>>69303446
You come to a board full of sociopathic shitposters with no empathy and ask them a morality question?
I expect /pol/ would just knife everyone to death given a chance, regardless of any trains being involved at all.
>>69303645
This is fucking great. Saved.
>>69307980
That's why other variants are more interesting.
A brilliant transplant surgeon has five patients, each in need of a different organ, each of whom will die without that organ. Unfortunately, there are no organs available to perform any of these five transplant operations. A healthy young traveler, just passing through the city the doctor works in, comes in for a routine checkup. In the course of doing the checkup, the doctor discovers that his organs are compatible with all five of his dying patients. Suppose further that if the young man were to disappear, no one would suspect the doctor. Do you support the morality of the doctor to kill that tourist and provide his healthy organs to those five dying persons and save their lives?
>>69309327
What? no. How is it a moral question to ask "exchange one life for another". It's just murder.
As if the same doctor does heart transplants, kidney transplants and so on.
>>69303020
Kill the five with the trolley and stomp the one guy to death!
>>69308830
Haha probably willem
>>69309668
Logically, it's structured in the same way as the trolley problem. That's why some ppl disagree with >>69307980
>>69303020
I would let the five people die of course
at the end it's easier to strangle one person instead of five
>>69309897
Good god, someone actually atributed me a Dutch name, rather than a German or Swedish one. Thats rare. I didnt think anyone even knew our names.
>>69309997
for the good of the aryan race i push her over to untie the niggers
>>69306143
wanted to post this
>>69303020
The only moral option is to try to find a third option. Ignore the lever, stop the trolley, derail it, make it take a longer path to buy you more time, as long as you try, you've made the moral choice.
>>69303020
>>69310076
Exactly. Also the five people have a greater chance of derailing the train and killing the passengers.
>>69311376
FUCKING KEKKK!!!!
>>69303020
Unrealistic scenario.
>>69304891
this thread is now about how the eternal anglo has gone about ruining western philosophy by declaring his own tiny wet island's babblings to be "analytic"
>>69310954
What a fucking American hero.
>>69303020
Need more info
Who are the 5 and who is the 1
Need gender, race, age, apperance, behavoir, etc.
If the 5 people are screaming to let the 1 guy die then I would maybe let them die instead.
>>69303020
There is no justification for murder
/thread
>>69303512
underrated
>>69303020
>it's a trolley
>they're slow as shit
>make it go to the single guy
>have enough time to untie him
>???
>profit
This is the most retarded and preposterous question ever. Why the fuck are you randomly at a switch with 6 people tied to the railroad tracks and, somehow, you didn't notice or hear the people until the last possible second to react.
How the hell would you know what that lever is used for and which way to move it?
Why would a railroad leave a random fucking stupid lever for anyone to pull and send a train into oncoming train traffic.
This question is stupid, if somehow you were worse than hellen keller and found yourself in this situation, you should probably run out in front of the train yourself.
>>69303020
But, why?
>>69303668
>he needs to be promised a paycheck before he'll consider saving a life
If you see your fellow man in danger and you have the power to help, you have a responsibility to be a decent human being and help. If you don't give a shit about the people in question, then fair enough - but don't hide behind some bullshit about responsibility and pretend that you didn't have the power to begin with.
You'll never be Übermensch if you're not authentic and self-aware enough to understand this.
>>69306297
Rush.
>>69312095
>>69303020
Of course you pull the lever, the fuck?
>>69303020
>do nothing, watch from a distance to see what happens
>I don't want the media circus/criminal charges
>>69303020
Yeah I'd pull the lever. I agree with people saying inaction is not murder (at most manslaughter), but I can do math and know 1 is less than 5.
>>69303103
Then no I'm not pulling the lever. I have no friends or family with cancer by the way.
>>69311376
>getting run over by a train is the only way to break cuffs
shiggy diggy doo
>>69303020
Saving one person means being unable to save another.
Pull the lever.
