Who's voting for Bernie here?
>>69294906
Who's voting for Trump here?
>>69294906
I'm voting for Bernie
>>69296811
Wanting to violently displace 11 million people and making Muslims from foreign countries wear ID badges is fucking racist and counterproductive. Fuck trump.
>>69294906
Birdie bro reporting
>>69297207
Nigger
>>69297207
Which race are Muslims?
I could never support a christ killer.
Drumpff's only plan is a stupid solution to a non-problem.
Hillary's a bitch and a neo-con and a neo-liberal. She has lots of stupid solution to real problems that she and the rest of the republicans started.
I'm voting for Bernie!
>>69297921
>no answer
STUMPED
>>69297207
Not
a
race
cück
>>69297207
You forgot to mention these 11 million people came here illegally L M A O
>>69297556
This is why we all hate you.
>>69297787
>>69297921
>>69298269
How much you fags make in a year, I'm not a cuck I'm just here to talk some fucking sense into your jive asses
haha i love bernie lol haha
>>69294906
is it safe to elect someone with Alzheimers?
>>69294906
>>69298547
We did it in 1980....
can't say it worked out okay....
>>69298437
Obviously more than you since you type like you're retarded and want free Bernie gifts.
>>69294906
I am. He's the only candidate who isn't bought or insane.
>>69298437
"not a cuck" The results are in.. The lie detector....... THAT WAS A LIE
>>69298547
Trump told the crowd that he would pay the legal fees. He actively encouraged violence. That's why Trump has to answer for violence at his rallies.
If a Bernie supporter does violence at a rally it has nothing to do with Bernie. It's all on that guy.
bernie memes are so try-hard
they try to give him a charismatic loveable "tough guy" personality he doesn't have.
So can we all agree that the difference between Clinton and Sanders shills is that Hill shills get paid for their time while Bernie racks up beta bux from "DO IT FOR FREE" tards?
>>69298814
>>69298978
>Lets meme when he tries to talk to us
Fine fuck you then, still doing well enough that a 2% tax to give healthcare for all wouldn't even mess with a hair on my balls.
Only millenials who wonder why mommy wont pay for college while I stay at home smoking weed all day will vote for him. Seriously they should raise the voting age. Even I admit I knew shit about politics at 18.
>>69299447
>>69299776
>18
back to /b/ pls
I actually want to keep my paycheck, so no i'm not
kill yourselves you stupid fucking communists
>>69298935
>He's the only candidate who isn't bought or insane.
>isn't insane
>is a communist
Venceremos, comrade.
>>69299972
>unions=mobs
First time I've seen THAT meme. Nice one hahaha, no not really and you're a shit head
>>69294906
OMG HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME YOU COMMIE KEK LMAO WE WUS KANGS JIDF PLS GO WHITE PRIDE WHY DO MY PARENTS HATE ME
>>69299776
>Seriously they should raise the voting age. Even I admit I knew shit about politics at 18.
They lowered it after Vietnam because of military entry age. Draftees could drink and fight, but they couldn't vote.
>>69299972
Could you even imagine an mob made up of teachers and people who work on jets?
It doesn't make any fucking sense lol
>>69299972
>communist
>unions are mobs
Jesus christ are we still in the cold war?
Shill harder faggot.
so far the argument against Bernie ITT has been:
"he sucks black cock and is a cuck lol xD" (not true)
"He's a communist!" (Not true)
Kek, trump supporters really are stupid
>>69297556
EPIC XD
>>69294906
>Australia
CHECK THE FLAGS YOU FUCKING FAGS
>>69300512
All he asked was who's voting for him, fucktard.
>>69299851
>when I WAS 18
Reading comprehension is not that difficult nigger
Berniefags failing to grasp that when the state provides your education you owe the state your labor.
Rot in hell you lazy socialists.
>>69299972
>>69299972
Non commies are insane
>>69299154
>cucksheds have internet now
bernie is clearly senile
>>69297207
There is no ID badge, no go back to where you came from
21 here never voted draft dodge 4 life
>>69297207
He never said make them wear id badges you fucking retard. He said if these fucking mudslimes are posting pro Isis shit on Twitter or other places that they should be placed onto a list.
>>69300273
Unionization is an important part of the labor market, yes. But if you think the major workers' unions in the US are anything more than engines of political power and wealth for their leadership, I've got some bad news for you.
>>69300398
"Democratic Socialist" and "communist" may have different specific meanings, but they both boil down to "hurr durr I don't know shit about economics, people who have more money than me suck!"
>>69294906
Go away reddit.
>>69300699
>THE GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT!
>Let's give it more money and trust it to distribute it fairly to all of us.
Socialists really are that stupid. Its baffling
>>69300273
>unions are mobs
>literal extortion rackets
>not mobs
>>69294906
You've gotta get a proxy if you're gonna troll this brazenly Australia.
>>69300869
>NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
>I KNOW, LET'S JUST GET RID OF TAXES INSTEAD OF DEMANDING REPRESENTATION!
>>69297207
(You)
>>69294906
Typical Australian shit-poster.
>>69294906
He'll never win the democrat nomination, you flag on a flag, you can't even vote.
>>69297207
Stop using a proxy, you fucking leaf
All illegals must be deported. And we already have the data on the mudslimes, it's called the census, though what Trump does is redundant.
>>69294906
>free college tuition
I already finished school and paid off my loans
>$15 minimum wage
I don't work a shitty minimum wage and raising it will decrease the value of the dollar
>universal healthcare
I have private insurance and don't have to wait 15 hours in an ER to see a doctor or make a doctor's appointment months in advance to get a check-up.
Fuck you, faggot. Bernie has nothing to offer me, or any other American who has made smart choices in his/her life and isn't a burden on society.
>>69300919
By your logic management would be an extortion racket aswell.
Me, me, I'm feeling the Bern.
>>69301191
>everyone who disagrees with me is Canadian
I'm sure our hardworking, robust, physically attractive friends to the North have better things to do than run a false-flag op.
Bernie and his supporters are a total joke.
On their cuck radio, they discuss how us bombing the fuck out of ISIS is "Christian terrorism" - and go on to justify Islamic terrorism.
>>69299972
Why the fuck are unions going sanders? They make a good buck and are not going to like paying more in taxes.
>>69299972
>Lehman brothers
>>69301889
Maybe because he represents the interests of middle class working people?
>>69301636
Management doesn't demand I pay them 10% of my paycheck or be refused employment.
Me
>>69302110
Um...
Wrong.
>>69301889
It's because they're not self-centered fucks like >>69301259 who think 'I got mine, fuck you'.
A lot of the ground-level backlash against unions is from jealous workers whose own attempts at pulling fair wages and benefits failed. Get those guys a good deal, and the people who already have a good deal are less threatened.
It doesn't even matter because the SuperDelegates will decide who'll win and it won't be Sanders
>>69301695
>invasive species responsible for destroying us bird populations and driving them out of their natural habitat
>a sign from our goddess progress for bernie!
its not the omen you think it is.
>>69302365
Must be some other reason that unions are overwhelmingly supporting him then!
Hint: Just because you pay taxes doesn't mean you must be against a slight tax raise that would benefit all of society.
Every one of you faggots will be sent to Trump Gulag, the classiest gulag there is. You'll still get fucked in the ass by niggers tho
>>69302527
I'm sure D-Bo doesn't want to pay extra taxes on his BK income just so Bernie can send Carl the cuck to college for free
>>69302527
>Just because you pay taxes doesn't mean you must be against a slight tax raise that would benefit all of society
>slight tax raise
>12% minimum decrease of take home pay for everyone due to economic effects
>pay exactly the same or more for lower quality of services you already get now
>benefit all of society
No.
>>69302110
>he represents the interests of middle class working people
The middle class wants a 49% tax?
>You all get free healthcare and free college!
>Golly gee, comrade Sanders, who's going to pay for all of that?
>You do, useful idiots!
>>69302527
>slight tax raise
>benefit all of society
>all
Are college kids still on spring break?
It's not like it'll matter. He's not going to win. He has 29 Super Delegates, while Clinton has 469.
I guess we're doomed either way, though.
>>69301695
>Pic
That's the gayest shit I've ever seen. No wonder you redditors are losing the meme race.
>I'm sure our hardworking, robust, physically attractive friends to the North have better things to do than run a false-flag op.
6/10 made me reply
>>69302920
>>12% minimum decrease of take home pay for everyone due to economic effects
>>pay exactly the same or more for lower quality of services you already get now
>>benefit all of society
Or, you know, paying thousands less on health insurance.
>>69294906
Already did vote for Bernie, and will vote for him again on 4/17 as a delegate at my district caucus.
>>69302506
>hurr durr invasive species
So's Americans.
>>69303145
>paying thousands less on health insurance
Actually, the vast majority of studies on it show Americans will pay the exact same on health insurance through taxes. Not only this, the health care plan will generate an additional 14 trillion dollars in debt, but keep shilling if you think it will help you.
>>69302933
>using false information
Go ahead, see how it would affect you or the middle class: http://www.bernietax.com/#0;0
Tell me why unions support him! Must be because they're all dirty commies!
>>69301025
We do have representation, and no one is saying no taxes should exist, you mouthbreathing retard.
>>69303296
Actually they don't. The US isn't the only country that exists. The US pays by far the highest for healthcare.
>>69302453
I'm self-centered because I don't want other people to be taxed more so the money can be given to me in the form of government programs?
Good one, comrade.
>>69303462
You just fucking said the government is corrupt. That's the fucking definition of no representation you giant fucking retard.
>>69303095
>losing the meme race
https://youtu.be/kpPdu_XfXJI
Bernie memes are 8 times stronger than trump.
>>69303256
>>69303372
>it totally works in magical Bernie Sanders land!
>meanwhile in reality
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan
>>69303493
We also have the highest quality healthcare. and the studies DO show the same paid through taxes. Considering the average middle class American will spend a total of $152,308.84 between age 21 (average age of career entrance) and 63 (average retirement age) and will spend a total of $184,523.77 in taxes (assuming taxes aren't raised further to pay for the 14 trillion dollar debt increase that comes from his healthcare plan alone) you will spend far more through Bernie for healthcare and ed than you would under Obamacare which raised healthcare costs by AT LEAT 300% for most people. Shill harder for your raw deal, faggot.
>BUT BUT MUH FREE
>>69303578
>I don't know what words mean, please spank me.
>I can't read ID's either because I'm from reddit.
Anon didn't say the government was corrupt. He was saying LIBERALS believe that the government is corrupt, yet want to give it more power. Pic related.
Corruption does not exclude representation. The President might be corrupt and sign a pardon for some awful human being because they funded their campaign. But that doesn't mean my congressman, senator, mayor, and governor don't represent me in government.
>Corruption
>dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.
>Representation
>the action of speaking or acting on behalf of someone or the state of being so represented.
>>69303993
>meanwhile in reality
Reality being the rest of the world? Good job ignoring that. Keep shilling for insurance companies and red baiting.
>>69304198
Everyone agrees the government is corrupt. That's the problem. The solution is to fucking fix that, not say "oh well of course they're corrupt there's nothing you can do about that". We have among the lowest fucking voter turnout in the world. Congress is not at all more willing to pass something that more people would want, that is the definition of no representation.
>>69304289
>rest of the world
Ask a South American how great their universal health care is.
Stop comparing literal oil nations with +95% white populations like Norway who don't have to put a penny into their defense because America protects them anyway.
>>69304289
>Reality being the rest of the world?
Where economies of scale are imploding left and right? Where the supposed Great Scandinavian System caused an economic crash so great that Scandi money is less than worthless? Where neutral third party economists say "this barely works for them, and by this math it won't work for us?" Good job ignoring all of that, you massive pinko faggot.
>>69304538
Yeah they're basically third world countries now right.
>>69304537
>JUST IGNORE THE COUNTRIES WHERE IT WORKS THEY'RE JUST WHITE MALES
>>69303564
No, you're self centered because 95% of your post consisted of "I" and "Me"
Back to FagRedit you pussy.
>>69294906
I SWARE ON ME MUM IS 4CHAN LIKE A VACATION HOME FOR LEDDITORS TO GET AWAY FROM THEIR RETARDED LIBERAL ANAL HUGBOX???
seriously fucking christ m8 get the fuck outta here
it's like fucking luberals from california, they make their bed, fully equipped with an anal-masturbation tools, and then they leave to fuck up someone else shit cuz it doesn't fit their narrative
keep your anal fetishes to yourself, you fucking faggot
Im voting for Bernie in the primary and Trump in the general for maximum meme potential
Nope
>>69304502
>Congress is not at all more willing to pass something that more people would want, that is the definition of no representation.
Why do liberals make up arbitrary definitions of commonly used words in their heads? That's not remotely true, stop framing the world in absolutes. It makes you look like a five year old. You don't care what people want, you care what your people want.
>The solution is to fucking fix that, not say "oh well of course they're corrupt there's nothing you can do about that"
No one said that either, you fucking moron. If you think the government is wholly corrupt, the solution is definitely not giving that corruption more power. How much mental gymnastics do you have to perform to believe that putting power in the hands of corrupt officials would help us?
>>69297556
Energy and effort wasted on a stupid dancing grandpa
>>69304846
>they're basically third world countries now right
>can't buy a car
>can barely buy a big mac
>importation of foreign goods is extremely difficult
Have you ever actually been to Scandinavia? I wouldn't call them third world, but they have a fuckload of problems that you don't.
>>69304959
>what does that quote have to do with the picture
Fuck the banks. Feel the Bern
>>69305099
>not reading based Bastiat
Anon, I'm afraid you must be physically removed.
>>69304846
>JUST IGNORE THE COUNTRIES WHERE IT WORKS
That's exactly what you're doing. You're ignoring everything about the country where it works, as if universal healthcare is this isolated system that can be implemented anywhere at anytime and will only have positive effects.
Again, look at Brazil's healthcare system. Why doesn't it work in Brazil, but works in Norway?
Why could Scandinavian countries afford healthcare, but not Bolivia?
Why does Japan have extremely low violent crime rates compared to Britain, despite practicing nearly identical weapon restriction laws?
Why could Gadaffi's Libya afford to provide newly wed couples a free apartment, but we can't make Social Security solvent?
The Bernies believe that the hard workers will continue to foot the bill, no matter how high taxes are raised. Raising taxes gives a lesser incentive to work harder to earn more.
The union concept is the same:
There is no reward for working harder. However there is a reward for not working as hard.
You Bernie cucks will never understand this.
>>69294906
I already did in my state's primary and I'll vote for him again if he somehow miraculously gets the nomination otherwise I'll probably stay home because Trump, Cruz, and Hillary are all equally terrible imo.
>>69305746
Just go and write in Bernie, niqqa.
>>69304979
>You don't care what people want, you care what your people want.
Not even fucking close.
http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf
See figure 1.
>No one said that either, you fucking moron.
That's what conservatism is, "less government". You think that it is inherently corrupt so you want to get rid of as much as possible. Do you really have to have me go through this? You couldn't get that on your own? You are framing "BIG GOVERNMENT" as not being able to POSSIBLY be representative of the people. The solution is to FIX the government, not just "give it less power". The only one framing the world in absolutes is you, with your absurd thinking that the government MUST be corrupt.
>>69305408
Something something le whites are perfect meme.
(Even though socialism is tearing those white countries apart now and has made them hate their own skin.)
>>69305057
Damn they must be miserable.
Oh wait.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/denmark-regains-title-of-happiest-country/
Holy shit I cannot wait until Bernie cucks are done with. Thank God Clinton is going to dominate him in upcoming states. At this point I am actually rooting for Clinton to finally rid of this delusion.
>>69305408
It works here, just barely. It could be better but it's more because of poor management.
>>69306097
>tfw socialism only worked when tightly controlled by the house Hohenzollern
>>69306140
>happy = good
Modern hunter-gatherers are happy too despite living extremely shitty lives. Former soviet citizens opine for a return to communism, despite not having enough food to feed their fucking people. Happiness =! objectively good
t. Immanuel Kant
>>69298437
>How much you fags make in a year
>I'm not a cuck
>jive asses
>sense
>>69305384
>question still unanswered
>>69306140
>you can measure happiness
>acting like this is a respectable study
yup, i'm feelin the bern
>>69306271
This post is fucking hilarious. Keep moving the goalposts.
>>69306140
Man, Qatar is 36 and Spain is 37! Wow, what a respectable study, I'm totally gonna vacation over in Qatar this summer!
>>69306472
I didn't move the goalposts, you've been consistently doing that though.
>>69306584
Right, the one claiming that happiness isn't good isn't the one moving the goalposts.
>all these Marxist kike dick suckers ITT
Democratic socialism is shit
Islam is shit
Illegal immigration is shit
Fuck you. MAGA
Voting for Trump, even convinced my family and liberal relatives to jump on the Trump bandwagon.
>>69306818
I claimed that happiness isn't objectively good. It isn't. That isn't moving the goal posts. What is moving the goalposts is using an arbitrary metric to prove your system as the best despite being continually shut down by cited economists and facts surrounding your system.
>>69305905
>rich people have a greater influence on the democratic system
Holy fuck, could have just asked Socrates a couple fucking centuries ago if you wanted an answer. Again, you don't CARE what they want. You think they want the same that you do, but when they disagree we get antifa breaking into homes and threatening lives.
>reducing government power is the same as saying there's nothing you can do to fix corruption
It's like talking to a special ed student.
>You think that it is inherently corrupt so you want to get rid of as much as possible
You don't know me at all. I'm perfectly happy with strong, centralized governments. Hitler did wonders for Germany before the war.
>You are framing "BIG GOVERNMENT" as not being able to POSSIBLY be representative of the people
No, I'm framing BIG GOVERNMENT as BIG. If you think said government is CORRUPT, then giving the CORRUPT GOVERNMENT MORE POWER WOULD BE BAD.
BAD PEOPLE WITH MORE POWER = MORE BAD.
BAD + POWER = BADDER.
Have I sufficiently broken this down yet?
>The only one framing the world in absolutes is you, with your absurd thinking that the government MUST be corrupt.
I never said that, Jesus fucking christ.
>He was saying LIBERALS believe that the government is corrupt, yet want to give it more power
> If you think the government is wholly corrupt
>IF
>YOU
>THINK
>>69306097
Japan is white, and Britain isn't now?
VOTE BERNIE FOR 4 YEARS OF NOTHING
>>69298347
No most were born here illegally not really their fault.
>>69299447
Hell yeah
Bernie all the way
>>69307300
>he thinks anchor babies are part of the 11 million illegal immigrant figure
They're citizens. They aren't part of it. Do you dress yourself every day?
His will can not be denied.
hail the God Emperor
>>69306385
>>69307556
>They're citizens
They shouldn't be.
That needs to be fixed.
>>69307668
Agreed, doesn't change what I said.
>>69306991
>I claimed that happiness isn't objectively good.
What do you live for? What about Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness? How can you seriously be arguing that happiness is not objectively good? You really seem brainwashed.
>What is moving the goalposts is using an arbitrary metric to prove your system as the best despite being continually shut down by cited economists and facts surrounding your system.
You are getting more hilarious by the second. The US isn't the only country in the world, other countries have the systems that Bernie is proposing, and guess what: they work. It's not a Utopian ideal. You can't ignore them, and brush off them by saying "B-BUT HAPPINESS I-ISN'T OBJECTIVELY GOOD".
You talk about "being shut down by economists", what about these?
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/14/170-economists-bernie-sanders-plan-reform-wall-st-rein-greed.html
Or this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ElgeDUK7Pg
>>69297207
>remove large underclass of people who work for below minimum wage and displace low skill jobs from average americans
>counterproductive
Well bernouts don't understand simple economics anyway.
I'm voting for bernie
I know, right, the 1% should't control the country
>>69307837
Humor me with these "systems" that are working.
>>69307837
>How can you seriously be arguing that happiness is not objectively good?
A serial killer gains happiness from murder. A cannibal gains happiness from eating human meat. Is murder objectively good? What about eating human meant? I'd wager you said no. Happiness is not objectively good, you hedonist fuck.
>other countries have the systems that Bernie is proposing, and guess what: they work
Yeah, that whole not able to get a hamburger or a fucking car is working real well.
>You can't ignore them, and brush off them by saying "B-BUT HAPPINESS I-ISN'T OBJECTIVELY GOOD".
I didn't, I stated objective problems surrounding them and you responded with an arbitrary metric.
>You talk about "being shut down by economists", what about these?
>170 economists
We've already been through that list. If you check on it you'll find that the majority are not econ or finance majors, but social science majors. Meanwhile there are thousands against Bernie.
>or this
>world economy still in recession
>in other news, water is wet. Weather at 11.
>Not voting for the candidate who is 7 stories tall
>>69307837
>bernie-sanders-plan-reform-wall-st
Tell me something.
If what Sanders wants to accomplish via his Wall Street Tax is discouragement of high frequency trading, why is he allowing it to apply to day traders as well?
He certainly can't be arguing that those nickel and dimers have any effect on the financial system, can he?
>>69307837
>How can you seriously be arguing that happiness is not objectively good?
Have you ever done heroin? Makes you feel really happy. Shooting up heroin is not objectively good.
If an entire population is happy with a system that leads to an economic collapse that ruins billions of lives, that doesn't mean the system is good. A lot of people were happy with the financial market back in 06. Consumer confidence was at an all time high. The real estate industry was worshiped in earlier years for carrying the American economy on its back.
>>69306830
Someone please explain why a disproportional number of memes on /pol/ have an ifunny banner at the bottom.
>>69308385
The human centipede that is memes. We're at the front, places like ifunny at the back. Eventually our memes work our way down. Newfags end up having to get their memes from the bottom.
>>69308385
Reddit influx that originally finds our content on other sites.
>>69307072
>Again, you don't CARE what they want.
Again, I do, but Congress doesn't. You might want to read the study I linked.
>>reducing government power is the same as saying there's nothing you can do to fix corruption
It kind of is. It's not rocket science.
>If you think said government is CORRUPT, then giving the CORRUPT GOVERNMENT MORE POWER WOULD BE BAD.
I am saying fix the government by getting corporate interests out and making it represent the people. That's not "GIVING IT SO MUCH MORE POWER". You don't seem to grasp that I am not advocating for the government to control ever facet of people's lives, just that it should not only represent the elites and it should instead represent everyone. Do these graphs seriously not mean anything to you?
>>69299161
Bernie's memes are forced and unfunny. They think they can paste some "DUDE REPUBLICANS LMAO" text on a pic of him and that makes it dank.
Trump memes, even if you don't like the guy, you've gotta admit are organically developed and build off each other.
The quote applies to Mr. Sanders and his legion of Bernouts because they are advocating for increased taxation to fund their free shit train. Hence the bit about plunder being a way of life. The cheering crowd is meant the underscore the false send of moral superiority leftists achieve in supporting such policies.
The quote is from a book called The Law and you can read it here.
https://mises.org/library/law
>>69294906
>When your girl's Republican pops asks you what your career plan is.
>>69308573
That's because God is on our side, friends. We are the warriors of light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPUvkfZiN9k
>>69308570
Just FYI, Trump is against lobbyists, the Citizen United ruling, etc without the retarded economic baggage.
I'm voting for Sanders....to be the next person to drop out
>>69294906
I'm going to write in Jeb Bush just to piss off all the shills.
>>69308187
>A serial killer gains happiness from murder. A cannibal gains happiness from eating human meat. Is murder objectively good? What about eating human meant?
If the entire species agrees on it, then yes. But humans don't, so using such a stupid fucking analogy is beyond useless and shows how fucking clueless you are.
>Yeah, that whole not able to get a hamburger or a fucking car is working real well.
Obviously it does because they're the happiest country on Earth. "BUT YOU'RE NOT REALLY HAPPY YOU'RE MISERABLE YOUR COUNTRY IS NOT LIKE THE GREAT AMERICA WHERE YOU CAN BUY MCDONALD'S!!! YOUR HAPPINESS IS JUST FAKE"
And watch the entire video, not just read the title. Respected economist says that Bernie would be the best for the economy.
>>69308471
>>69308515
Thanks lads
>>69300855
not a berniefag, but unions can be important for obtaining certain job benefits and wage rates. though nowadays its a longshot considering how weak most of them are
>>69309119
>failing to understand what objective means this hard
>calling anyone else clueless
We're done here. You're a fucking moron and are objectively ignorant. See what I did there? I gave you contextual clues to figure out the difference between objective and arbitrary. Let's see if you figure it out now.
>>69308373
>If an entire population is happy with a system that leads to an economic collapse that ruins billions of lives, that doesn't mean the system is good.
Good thing Scandinavia doesn't do that then!
>>69308570
>You might want to read the study I linked.
It says exactly what I did. Powerful people have a larger influence on politics in America than normal people. No shit.
>An action, removing a government's ability to use its power and resources for illegitimate personal gain is the same as saying there's nothing you can do to fix corruption.
Please, consider suicide.
>I am saying fix the government by getting corporate interests out and making it represent the people
Why are you pretending as if this is the only political view you hold? We both agree on this. So does Trump. His founding platform was running without being influenced by lobbyist money. But this isn't the only thing I believe in, faggot. Believing that money influences politics =/= THE WHOLE GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT TO ITS CORE AND SERVES THE ILLUMINUTTY. QUICK GIVE THEM MORE CONTROL!
Are you in favor of gun control? More regulation? That is giving the government more control over citizens and opportunity for corruption.
>Do these graphs seriously not mean anything to you?
Again, I promise that blowing your brains out is not as painful as it looks. I've already addressed your study twice now. I can't believe they didn't include a list of the questions they asked the "average citizen," though. Unless I missed it in the later pages.
>>69306338
The first part of the quote is referring to socialism as a system of legal plunder through means of taxation. The second part refers to the false sense of moral superiority socialists feel and the popularity of demagogues who come around offering to forcibly redistribute wealth.
It applies to Bernie Sanders because he is an avowed socialist and he is advocating higher taxes to fund his free shit train and free shit appeals to stupid and desperate people.
>Taxation is theft
>>69309119
>Bernie would be the best for the economy.
Top lel. Bern would destroy our economy and his proposals are all projected to do very bad things.
>As a result, the plan would reduce the size of gross domestic product (GDP) by 9.5 percent over the long term. This decrease in GDP would translate into an 18.6 percent smaller capital stock and 6.0 million fewer full-time equivalent jobs.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan
>>69308880
Except for the fact that before running for president, he contributed to nearly every political figure under the Sun. But oh, he says he's against it now, so he's obviously going to do something about it now.
May I ask why the fuck you trust him at all when he was contributing to it beforehand?
>>69309328
By your logic, nothing is objective. You are just arguing semantics while ignoring a metric that shows that people are in fact happy with the systems in place in Scandinavia.
>>69309719
I lied. You're not ignorant. You're objectively stupid.
>>69309573
>he contributed to nearly every political figure under the Sun
Wonderful exaggeration. Trump contributed to some campaigns over the years which is normal for any rich person. He never was anywhere close to Soros or something and spent billions of dollars on people.
>>69309719
Take a course in logic.
>>69294906
JEEZ
OH MAN I MEAN
WOW GOOD GOLLY JEEPERS
I'M VOTING FOR KASICH
>>69309719
>You are just arguing semantics
Well, at least he can answer a question when it's put to him.
If you couldn't answer mine, the least you could've done was say so.
>>69309473
>>An action, removing a government's ability to use its power and resources for illegitimate personal gain is the same as saying there's nothing you can do to fix corruption.
Except you are not at all doing that. Instead you are advocating for less government. That's not the same thing.
>We both agree on this. So does Trump.
I guess that's why he contributed to it before he actually started running for president. Oh fucking wait, you are insanely fucking gullible and naive. What makes you think he's against it when he fucking WAS the special interests for so long?
>>69294906
He didn't go far enough with the free shit. Tell me he will give me a free house and a free car in San Francisco and maybe I will vote for him.
>>69309346
>Happiness is always objectively good!
>No, it's not. Here are some examples as to how you can be happy but destroying yourself.
>WELL THE EXAMPLES YOU PROVIDED ARE NOT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON IN THESE THREE SPECIFIC COUNTRIES :^)
>>69309567
>Top lel. Bern would destroy our economy and his proposals are all projected to do very bad things.
You really have absolutely no clue about anything. Keep believing in trickle down economics.
>>As a result, the plan would reduce the size of gross domestic product (GDP) by 9.5 percent over the long term.
The biggest increase in GDP was from the 40's to the 80's, before Reagan. Bernie is a new dealer. Not hard to grasp how his proposals would do wonders for the economy.
>>69298978
Kill yourself you pathetic pos
>>69299972
>Representing Trump
FTFY
>>69309791
He still did it, despite supposedly being "against it"? He even bragged about it at the first debate. Again, why do you trust him to fix it? If he ever did it at all, he obviously didn't think it was a problem. And no, "BUT EVERYONE ELSE DID IT" is not an answer.
>>69310282
>projection that explicitly states negative effects of Bernie's plan
>deflect to irrelevant shit
>pretend his proposals are wonderful
You don't know anything about economics. It's the same with all you bernouts. He proposes massive tax increases on literally everyone. You cannot just suck money out of the economy like that; it's absurd.
Eat shit sandersfag. Bunch of braindead zombies wanting handouts, fuck you.
>>69309783
Objective and arbitrary aren't even opposites. Holy fuck you are a retard.
>>69294906
People have always told me I can't do what I want. That i need to be more inclusive more tolerant, especially as a gay guy. Well fuck them, I'm voting Trump. The same people who preach inclusiveness and tolerance and vote Bernie would gladly turn their back on you if you do anything they don't like. Trump will have me as I am not with a ton of preconceived notions of who I need to pander to.
>>69294906
topkek
>>69296811
gender fluid intellectual here reporting in #onlytrump #presidenttrump
>>69302527
Thanks for paying for my women's studies degree, you fucking tool
>>69310431
There is nothing wrong with contributing to campaigns you support. Just because he's rich does not mean it is evil to donate to candidates.
>>69310483
>history
>irrelevant shit
Holy fucking shit, you can't be this fucking dense. Just ignore history and keep believing in trickle down economics.
>>69302933
The Vox calculator was already debunked
for retarded reasons unknown, it adds the payroll tax proposed when its a tax paid by the employer, assuming that businesses will magically cut peoples contracted wages to force the employee to pay for the tax.
if your an average asshole making less than $100,000 your actual tax rate will barely budge, and in return you'll get fucking healthcare without deductibles.
>>69310660
Stop pretending you know anything about history.
>trickle down economics
Nice meme by the way. I've never said anything about supply side.
>>69302365
This is fake lmao
>>69310736
>employers pay for payroll taxes and won't pass the cost to employees
>liberals really believe this
WEW
>>69310660
>Just ignore history
See: Argentina, Chile, Brazil, Spain, Greece, and many other nations plunged into an economic crisis by ridiculous socialist policies.
>keep believing in trickle down economics
You don't even know what that means. You saw Jon Stewart mention it once and think you understand what the term refers to.
>>69310635
There are campaign limits for a fucking reason. How fucking stupid do you have to be to not see how someone with more money would have more power over political entities. You are seriously fucking dense. Why do lobbyists exist? Just to "support" the candidates they "like"? Or for influence in policies? Use your brain. He directly contributed for favors. He even fucking admits it, with Clinton and her wedding.
>>69308570
>I am saying fix the government by getting corporate interests out and making it represent the people. That's not "GIVING IT SO MUCH MORE POWER". You don't seem to grasp that I am not advocating for the government to control ever facet of people's lives, just that it should not only represent the elites and it should instead represent everyone.
By your own logic, it would be impossible for anyone other than a coporate stooge to get elected regardless of how hard you shill the 'fixer' canidate. You claim govt is so broken it doesn't represent at all, but you think that you can someone vote to change that? Again, by your logic, it would take an armed revolution to change anything.
>>69311088
I'll be rolin
>>69310742
Fucking hilarious. "Pretending". How about you look up when the economy was so prosperous and see that it was from what FDR did. What we have right now is supply side economics. You don't have to fucking mention it. You think that it is working, when it clearly isn't, and history has also obviously shown that.
>>69311040
So what? That doesn't make him evil. He donated to candidates for business purposes (mostly to get some tax breaks on his new york projects and the like). Big deal. He wasn't a lobbyist or anything like that. Everything Trump did would still happen even if Bernie got all of his reforms through, Citizen United rejected, etc.
>>69310736
>assuming that businesses will magically cut peoples contracted wages to force the employee to pay for the tax
For what it's worth, the Congressional Budget Office last year said the tax would bring in less revenue — $80 billion instead of $137 billion over the decade — because of lower health spending and changes in the employer-sponsored insurance market. So it indicates some employers will pay the tax and pass the cost onto workers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/20/how-businesses-are-planning-for-obamacares-cadillac-tax/
Most economists now agree that the burden of the corporate income tax falls on labor to some extent, but there is disagreement over the degree. This is important because the political prospects for cutting the statutory corporate tax rate, a goal shared by all tax reformers, may depend on the extent to which it can be shown that workers will benefit.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/who-pays-the-corporate-income-tax/
I fucking hate you retards.
>>69311088
Tear jerkers!!!
>>69300699
Asinine.
You could already say this about k-12. If anything it's student loans, from overpriced education, that locks graduates into lifelong debt and neo-slavery.
>>69311274
In the 40s we had a wartime economy you dimwit. In the 50s, we were literally the only advanced nation that wasn't rebuilding so we made and produced everything. Go read some fucking history.
>What we have right now is supply side economics
No.
I am.
>>69310892
not after you have the job
do imagine a world where everyone is called in for a company wide meeting and the CEO announces "Whelp, the Bernie payroll tax just got enacted, so everyone here is immediately getting a 6% slash to your salaries. Contracts be damned". You clearly don't understand how businesses function
More likely large companies would make layoffs, resulting in a short term spike in unemployment. They also list entry level positions with lower wages, but they can only lower them so far without losing their ability to be competitive.
If you think that any major business is going to suddenly drop their initial offers by that much and risk losing talent/workforce to businesses that actually account for shifts in operating costs, then you should probably just stick to shitposting on a Maldovan smelting board
>>69310899
You don't know the difference between social democracies and socialism.You are a fucking ignorant retard.
>>69311088
ice cream
>>69311043
>it would be impossible for anyone other than a coporate stooge to get elected regardless of how hard you shill the 'fixer' canidate. You claim govt is so broken it doesn't represent at all, but you think that you can someone vote to change that?
No, not impossible, just difficult. And change occurs from the bottom up. If people demand it, then it will happen. It does not have to be violent either. That's what the first amendment is for.
>>69311520
>implying the CEO would announce anything
Ridiculous. You get your paycheck and notice that more taxes are taken out of it. That's what would happen.
>More likely large companies would make layoffs, resulting in a short term spike in unemployment. They also list entry level positions with lower wages, but they can only lower them so far without losing their ability to be competitive.
And this is supposed to be good for the economy?
>>69311274
>FDR
It never ends.
Let's start with the New Deal. Its various alphabet-soup agencies—the WPA, AAA, NRA and even the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority)—failed to create sustainable jobs. In May 1939, U.S. unemployment still exceeded 20%. European countries, according to a League of Nations survey, averaged only about 12% in 1938. The New Deal, by forcing taxes up and discouraging entrepreneurs from investing, probably did more harm than good.
What about World War II? We need to understand that the near-full employment during the conflict was temporary. Ten million to 12 million soldiers overseas and another 10 million to 15 million people making tanks, bullets and war materiel do not a lasting recovery make. The country essentially traded temporary jobs for a skyrocketing national debt. Many of those jobs had little or no value after the war.
Read the rest of the article to see what the government did after that cripple faggot died to fix the economy. Slash taxes across the board sums it up nicely though.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304024604575173632046893848
>>69301191
were not all cucks, my fat friend
I thought he already lost?
>>69311276
>He donated to candidates for business purposes (mostly to get some tax breaks on his new york projects and the like).
It means he really doesn't give a fuck about the issue. And it means that you shouldn't fucking trust him for a second when he says he wants to get rid of it.
>>69297556
Holy shit are these the "dank memes" the Washington Post Jacks off to? Looks like tumblr shit from 2011
>>69311088
Fuck this thread. Sage and rolleee
>>69305583
>The wealthiest 1% are the hardest workers and providers for the country
Good one
>>69311534
Wait, you seriously think Argentina, Chile, Greece, and Spain weren't social democracies?
>>69311473
>>What we have right now is supply side economics
>No.
Uh, yeah we do. Or, since it's fictitious and doesn't actually fucking work, then I guess you could say we don't.
>>69311868
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? There's a difference between lobbying, superpacs, and contributing to political campaigns. Trump is against SuperPACs; he doesn't approve of the one that is operating for him right now (he forbid them from using his name). Trump did not put a shitload of lobbyists or anything like that either. He supported politicians that would benefit him like anyone else, and yes because he was rich, he had more a voice than the average person. Big deal.
>>69311088
>no choco-taco
IT'S SHIT.
>hurr durr it's so hard to get rid of 11 million people
Not really. First off, most of them are here for benefits and gibs. Cut that off and you've removed the reason that most of them are staying so they'll fuck off back to Mexico.
Also, fine employers for hiring illegals, mandate that all new employers have to verify the identity and legal status of all applicants, and for kicks offer bounties for apprehending illegals, or giving information that leads to the apprehension of illegals.
>>69294906
all berniefags must and will convert
>>69312062
>doesn't actually fucking work
C'mon, man.
It's not our fault you're unemployed.
>>69294906
he is the fucking worst.
>>69311754
>No, not impossible, just difficult
Your own logic says otherwise.
If the govt is owned by the elites, no matter how much they humor your first amendment right, they will never give into change. They will just keep jerking you off to keep you from an armed revolution.
>And change occurs from the bottom up.
Again, by your logic, the current situation we find ourselves in is a result of bottom up change.
>If people demand it, then it will happen.
I've been demanding a Ferrari for years. I still don't have one.
>It does not have to be violent either.
In fact it does, otherwise nothing happens. Look at the history of the country you live in. Did it come to a nation peacefully or was there a war that brought it about?
>>69312062
You do realize that we have an additional tax bracket under Obama that didn't exist under Bush right?
>>69304848
And? Get off your ass and make something of your life, the government isn't going to fix that for you, nor is it the role of the government to fix it for you.
>>69311988
>>69311534
I want an answer to this. Surely you're not so fucking ignorant of history that you think Spain, Greece, Argentina, and Brazil were socialist dictatorships or something.
>>69311781
>You get your paycheck and notice that more taxes are taken out of it
you don't get it, the payroll tax proposed by the Sanders campaign is a tax placed upon employers, not employees, it would never show up on your paycheck. Unless of course you're just so stupid that you would think its legal to literally transfer your taxes onto someone you are compensating.
>>69312541
>>69312541
SEE>>69311305
YOU FUCKING MORON.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT FUCKING HAPPENS.
For what it's worth, the Congressional Budget Office last year said the tax would bring in less revenue — $80 billion instead of $137 billion over the decade — because of lower health spending and changes in the employer-sponsored insurance market. So it indicates some employers will pay the tax and pass the cost onto workers.
Most economists now agree that the burden of the corporate income tax falls on labor to some extent, but there is disagreement over the degree.
>>69311815
The Wall Street Journal is completely unbiased and has no conflict of interest when discussing tax breaks for the economically elite.
>>69312675
http://money.usnews.com/money/business-economy/articles/2008/04/11/did-the-new-deal-work
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/business/23view.html
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409
wo UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.
In the three years following the implementation of Roosevelt's policies, wages in 11 key industries averaged 25 percent higher than they otherwise would have done, the economists calculate. But unemployment was also 25 percent higher than it should have been, given gains in productivity.
Meanwhile, prices across 19 industries averaged 23 percent above where they should have been, given the state of the economy. With goods and services that much harder for consumers to afford, demand stalled and the gross national product floundered at 27 percent below where it otherwise might have been.
>>69312086
>and yes because he was rich, he had more a voice than the average person. Big deal.
That is a huge deal. This is supposed to be a democracy, where 1 person = 1 vote. Each person should have the same amount of influence. You are brushing that off as "not a big deal" is fucking absurd.
>>69299972
> Representing people
Donald Trump only represents himself.
>>69312156
Income inequality is at an all time high, rising every day, childhood poverty is outrageous, but sure, whatever you say, it does work.
>>69312860
>Each person should have the same amount of influence
That's not what a democracy is. 1 vote =/= 1 influence unit or whatever fucking lunacy you think the world works under.
Bill Clinton has far more influence on the political system than yours. So does an expert economist revered by academia. So does a fucking British faggot on HBO.
>>69312860
We all know that's not how it works in reality. The press, money, etc. all greatly influence politics. Sure there should be some limits on it (and there used to be). I can agree with that much, but criticizing Trump for his campaign contributions is silly.
>>69313028
>Income inequality is at an all time high
Really.
You actually believe these memes?
That's nothing more than political sloganeering at its best.
>>69313028
Are you going to answer >>69312290?
You do realize that the rich pay the majority of the taxes right? Instead of your supply side boogieman, why don't you explain how taxing everyone more (those are Bernie's proposals) would lead to a better economy even though projections say the exact opposite?
>>69297207
>>69312197
>Your own logic says otherwise.
Except it doesn't. The government isn't owned by the elites. They have much more influence. Big difference.
>the current situation we find ourselves in is a result of bottom up change.
Fucking what? Holy fuck you are stupid and incapable of comprehending anything. No, it's a result of a LACK of bottom up change. From voter disenfranchisement and low voter turnout.
>I've been demanding a Ferrari for years. I still don't have one.
Demanding who? You are really misinterpreting everything. You demanding a product is vastly different than millions of people demanding changes in a system.
>In fact it does, otherwise nothing happens.
Civil Rights non-violent protests.
>>69313418
>Fucking what? Holy fuck you are stupid and incapable of comprehending anything. No, it's a result of a LACK of bottom up change. From voter disenfranchisement and low voter turnout.
read what you wrote
>And change occurs from the bottom up.
You are implying that change can only occur from the bottom up, meaning that the current situation is a result in bottom up change, because you clearly stated that change occurs from the bottom up.
>You are really misinterpreting everything.
I could say the same for you, kiddo. It's like I'm talking to someone the intellectual capacity of a toddler
>Civil Rights non-violent protests.
me:
>They will keep jerking you off to keep you from armed revolution
>>69313363
Boogieman? Try harder. Look at the income inequality. Giving tax breaks to the top does not create jobs.The middle class creates jobs.
>why don't you explain how taxing everyone more
Because other countries, and our history have done it for you already? It's not just "increasing taxes", it's universal healthcare which would save the vast majority of Americans thousands. And giving the velocity of money back to the middle class, because, you know, they actually spend their money and put it back into the economy.
>>69313766
Where did I imply that change can ONLY occur from the bottom up? Are you daft? The elites changed it to benefit them because they had the power and influence to, because of a LACK of input via disenfranchisement from the majority.
>>69312661
I don't see how copying the same thing you posted before supports the notion that employers can literally pass the tax itself onto employees as a garnishment on your paycheck. That's not how that works.
This is done indirectly, by offering lower wages to new employees or hiring less people. I think you don't understand what the tax is, or how it works in comparison to an income tax.
>>69313137
You are confusing persuasion for what a single vote means.
>>69313235
Thinking is hard, that's why whatever Trump says is right and everyone else is wrong!
>>69313961
>Where did I imply that change can ONLY occur from the bottom up?
see:
>And change occurs from the bottom up
You are implying that change can only occur from the bottom up. I swear we've been through this. It sounds like you meant change occurs in both directions.
>The elites changed it to benefit them because they had the power and influence to
If that is true, then the best way to fix the current problem is to make a few billion dollars in real estate, run for president, don't take any contributions for your campaign, and when you get elected, you could make america great again. Where have I heard that before?
wouldnt cucks vote for hillary? honest question familia
>>69314341
>You are implying that change can only occur from the bottom up
Except I'm fucking not. Where do you see the word "only"? Change can occur from within, and from the bottom up. And obviously the change from within is not going to be sufficient, that's the entire fucking premise of the argument.
>If that is true, then the best way to fix the current problem is to make a few billion dollars in real estate, run for president, don't take any contributions for your campaign, and when you get elected, you could make america great again. Where have I heard that before?
You seem to fucking think the president is a dictator with unlimited power. Go fucking figure. The president isn't the only political entity, there's hundreds. Electing one isn't going to fix problems that those hundreds of political entities don't recognize as a problem. That's the fucking point of me saying that change should occur from the bottom up.
>>69314240
No, you are confusing influence with a single vote. Trump didn't get more votes than you because of his net worth. He used his influence to affect the political system. Anyone with sufficient influence can do this. This exists in any form of government. Name one where individuals can't influence politics outside of literally voting.
>>69314107
>If they don't pass the tax directly onto you, that doesn't mean you bear the burden lol
You are so fucking dense.
>by offering lower wages to new employees or hiring less people
No, they also cut benefits, reduce bonuses, and restrict potential raises too. Nice to see that you don't care about college students trying to enter the labor market though. Who cares if they get hit the hardest because of these taxes right?
>>69294906
Seems like the cucks and faggots arrived back to shitpost again.
>>69313961
"elites changed it to benefit them"
lol no the elites haven't changed shit, they've just given the poor more appeasements to keep them from tearing the walls down and hanging them in the streets.
The only difference now is that they're bartering with "education" and healthcare rather than things like food or the ability to hunt and forage or cultivate on their land.
