>>69289345
Weaponizedautism.jpg
So I learned I like watching my wife get fucked by two other men rather than just one black man today.
>>69289345
Economic Calculation Problem.
Reminder that lefty /pol/ threads are a right wing plot to distract left wing posters and prevent them from posting in other threads.
You're all falling for containment 101.
>>69289345
Serve the people
God bless diversity
>>69289643
Really only applies to central planning and markets per se can be utilized in socialist systems.
>>69289345
Bring on the revolution already communiggers. I dare you.
I double dog dare you.
Is there such a thing as right-wing anarchy?
I like Anarchy in the sense the Money becomes obsolete.
>>69289345
Oh Canada...
>>69289917
Looks like we got a tough guy here
*jumps behind you*
*unsheathes katana*
Not so quick are we
*cuts off head*
Nothing personal kid
Left wing politics should be suppressed and far-leftists should be exterminated.
>>69290282
Racial forms of anarchy I guess.
>>69289345
RED LEADER STANDING BY
>>69289345
I am on the far right, but I admit, Stalin is the best communist.
>>69291520
I'm more of a Pannekoek fan myself
>>69290282
Strasserism is the closest thing I can think of.
>>69291520
He put boot to ass on Russia's kikes, and possibly buried the axe in Trotsky's forehead himself. He's alright in my book.
>>69291785
>Strasserism
i like, i like.
Thanks
>>69289345
You people are enablers of white genocide. You are a disgrace and should be gassed.
>>69289345
Marxism is shit when it comes to ideas on what do to. It's literally cancer.
Only good socialism is nationalist socialism (no, not the Nazis).
>>69291380
Big Red standing by
>>69291520
communist that is closest to hitler
so i like him
>>69291963
No problem. Francis Parker Yockey and Oswald Spengler are good reads.
The Greatest Canadian for a reason.
>>69289821
No, socialism in any form cannot overcome ECP even a taxed free market still runs into the same issues. This on top of the presupposition of argumentation (aka everytime you post you BTFO yourself) and labour theory of value means socialism cannot even work in theory, and has thus (so far, inb4 "muh never been tried") failed in practise national socialism and communism imploding the fastest.
This is why /pol/ has moved on, old faggot. National Libertarianism is the white mans god now, pick up Hoppe.
Now fuck off Henry James Zhang.
>>69292067
A lot of it's ideas of on how to implement a revolution have been proven wrong by the past century. However, Marxist theory had been refined up to 1917, people like Rosa Luxembourg, Pannekoek held a more libertarian even anarchist type of ideas, but they lost, Lenin and Democratic Centralism won and they shaped the next 70 years.
>>69292705
What bothers me is ideas like ''people are more divided by class than nation'', which are totally bogus, concepts like ''dictatorship of the proletariat'', generally the whole class vs. class thinking.
Capitalism should be balanced to protect the society as whole, not destroyed outright and replaced by something that is objectively inferior.
>>69292584
>ECP
>cannot even work in theory
Please explain yourself based britbong.
>>69293370
This is why fascism is superior. It rejects class warfare, and promotes class collaboration. People vote based on occupation. Miners vote for miners, ect.
>>69292584
>libertarianism
>nationalism
What a joke, please go away.
>>69289345
Of course it's by a fucking Canadian.
Canada for Communism
>>69289345
My wife's son and I donated $ 500,- to Bernie's campaign. Match me!
>>69289345
>>69289345
Why did the left hinge its support on faggots and SJW's? The left might have some appeal if it was at least nationalistic.
>>69293918
I don't know much about Mosley's ideas to be honest, but fascism is too authoritarian for my taste, although I broadly agree with some of their ideas.
>>69293947
Read a book you fucking cretin.
Start with Hoppe. Shoo now subhuman.
>>69292584
ECP isn't an issue in societies where decision making is made on the local level upwards. Not to mention markets without interference have never existed anywhere ever except in some "libertarians" wet dream. Markets are also terribly inefficient when it comes to allocating resources.
>>69294760
R A R E
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>>69289345
>>69294941
O CANADA!
>>69295109
get out
>>69293532
Economic calculation problem. Socialist economics cant work, even the most minimal of states or economic systems WILL collapse because of the kack of pricing and missallocation of resources even if its minimal.
Rome lasted 1000 years but in the end BTFO itself with its sole expenditure of the military and could barely field armies as large or as well equipped as fereal snownigger dindu refugees fleeing the Canadian hordes of Attila.
>>69294941
>boo hoo people who own houses but can't find a buyer yet don't let homeless people live in them and turn them into squat houses where they can piss on the floor and shoot up
>>69289345
Take The Green Pill
https://www.wattpad.com/story/46656865-a-new-bizarre-world
>>69289345
All your countries have been economic failures
those who succeed were because of a few population, Your PM is selling gold like a madman leaf , enjoy your time because soon you will be sucking Hung lo asian dick to pay for your house that doesnt even have a second floor
>>69295283
Repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true.
>>69294841
>c-cretin
>subhuman!
>f-fuck off
Wow hot arguments buddy.
Read who? Hoppe? Guy whose idol is autistic Jew Rothbard?
Libertarians and ancaps are the most laughable idiots I ever saw in my life. It's literally Autism: The Political Ideology.
Moreover, there's literally 0 chance your ideas will ever come to life. Why even bother?
Do you understand? Most of people aren't autistic like you, most of people are social beings.
>>69295478
You aren't true
>>69295478
This is funny coming from a socialist.
>>69289506
Both black? Or no?
>>69289643
Markets are inefficient. People have needs that go unfilled all throughout the world. Anything else?
>>69289345
was marx just a self-hating white boi or was he actually mentally sane? will marxism improve the quality of life?
>inb4 read the manifesto
tl;dr
>>69295478
better keep making communist governments then, I'm sure you'll get it right this time and stick it to those evil economists
>>69294941
Yes it is still an issue on any level local or otherwise involving coersion because by definition it provides something nobody is actually prepared to fucking purchase you dumbfuck.
Markets (uncoersed free exchange) by definition cannot missalocate anything.
It's not my problem if you spend all your money on hotpockets and hentai rather than health insurance and a deposit for property.
I also must stress by posting you are continuing to BTFO with violation of presupposition of argumentation.
>>69294559
This tbqh, the far left fucked it's self pretty good by letting the SJW identity politics fags into their movement, for example the anarchist want no borders and what not but so do the capitalist they're against like gorge soros, they're mainly useful idiots
>>69295478
Not an argument. Inb4 magical thinking or threat of violence. Never fucking change socialists.
>>69295806
You are absolutely correct. Markets ARE inefficient and peoples' needs DO go unfilled throughout the entire world.
All you have to do now is refute the ECP and show how the abolition of property, markets, and money (socialism) will do it better.
Try actually reading the material before you spout of some irrelevant shit.
We've been waiting... for decades.
>>69295607
No. All non libertarian philosophy BTFO itself by merely proposing them.
All you'll have to come back with is a comination of:
>muh violence
>muh magical thinking
>muh.price you pay
>muh social contract
>>69289345
does Carl the Cuck post ITT
>>69294941
>Markets are also terribly inefficient when it comes to allocating resources.
>American food markets
>no one starved during both a depression and the worst agricultural/environmental disaster in modern history
>Soviet central planning starves to death over 12 million people while controlling one of the most fertile bread baskets in the entire world
>>69291785
Strasserism isn't Anarchy, it's just Anti-Capitalist Fascism.
>>69296392
I know you think you're smart because you read a few books and you're above us primitive cattle, but understand that you're literally wasting your time, just like I'm wasting my time discussing with you for that matter.
Unlike some other ideologies, you're neither interesting or a threat, because your idiotic ideas will never come to life, and you people have no means to force them on others. It's literally a waste of time.
>>69294760
Fascism is only temporary, hence why it's authoritarian Once traditional social values have been effectively enforced and adapted within a society, Freedom will return.
>>69295478
Leftist have refused to answer this argument for 70 some years anon.
Before this argument they would actually have legitimate discourse between critics and they utterly stopped once presented with this argument in favor of dogmatic indoctrination and subversion tactics which shows they can't address this argument which BTW has been vindicated with actual history.
https://mises.org/library/end-socialism-and-calculation-debate-revisited
>>69296860
Yep, great example of why centralized economy is a failure.
But that doesn't invalidate mixed socialism (well ignoring the hot autistic ideas of this Brit here).
Some things work better in free market, some don't.
>>69289345
Hello my fellow top left master race friend! Finally someone who understands how society works! So what are you exactly? I'm a statist :).
>>69296282
>decades
Nearly 3/4ths of a century m8
>>69295814
Marxism and communism are completely different.
Also, yes, communism would improve quality of life tremendously. For starters, environmental problems would be taken care of far quicker than they are during the capitalist mode. Technological innovations would be adopted quicker. Science could advance unhindered by capital. Culture would blossom.
Sounds too good to be true, I know, but it's well within the realm of possibility. For one, decentralized planning means that it's far easier to tell what resources need to get where, and it's also easier to get them there.
Before you say we don't have enough resources: That's not true. Capitalism relies on creating artificial scarcity in order to keep prices high on plentiful goods. If we were running out of a certain resource, we'd know: Prices for it and goods manufactured from it would skyrocket. With that in mind, we know that we have enough resources.
What about shitty jobs? It's a situation that would resolve itself. Within communities, people should be caring for where they live, and job rotations are the most obvious and easiest ways to go about getting the jobs no one wants done. Early on, I'm certain that a lot of emphasis would be put on developing AI and robots to be able to do these jobs instead of people.
How do we get there? That's where the most questions come in, and for that I only have my view: The easiest way to do it would be to utilize a giant union, like the IWW, and go on a strike demanding collectivization of the workplace and overthrow of the government. With enough people, the legality of it can be ignored, seeing that they cannot imprison everyone. The other way is far less nice, but also far less likely: Violent overthrow of the government. I'd rather not detail that here, but it's not the best option.
What do we do after? Once again, there's a lot of debate between communists as to what the intermediate stage should look like.
>>69297317
>But that doesn't invalidate mixed socialism
Oh you mean something that we already have seen fail?
>inb4 yet another faggot that refuses to read the sourced government data which shows every single claim as fact
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/21463-debunking-the-myth-of-socialist-success-in-scandinavia
>>69289345
A fucking leaf
>>69295941
In a moneyless socialist economy a self-regulating system of stock control would allow us to allocate production goods on the basis of their relative scarcity using calculation in kind.
Go suck Mises's cock you libertarian faggot. At least their has been at one time an attempt at implementing communist and anarchist societies, your libertarian fantasy has never existed anywhere nor would the rich allow it to exist, even in Adam Smith's time the wealthy would collectivize to manipulate markets.
>>69297223
>Fascism is only temporary
So is dictatorship of the proletariat. But yeah...
>>69297407
Bezmenov was a propaganda tool. Don't believe that bullshit.
I'm no lover of Soviet system, on the contrary I really dislike it, but that guy was just telling a cool story, probably instructed by CIA.
>>69296282
There hasn't been any great text solidly debunking the ECP but I doubt it will be necessary. Socialists will eventually grow out of this absurd Alec Nove market socialism phase within a few decades once some self-confidence is regained. And why bother anyway? It's never been a real problem. Anyone who has read so much as a sentence about the 20th century socialist economies can tell you they didn't constitute truly centrally-planned economies, but their markets were so restricted that they should've collapsed within a decade of real socialism was truly 'impossible.' He had a point though. Without modern super-computers (which the USSR refused to adopt) any planned economy would have had to overproduce a smaller amount of goods to avoid the problems of the imbalances of supply and demand that occurred in the USSR. Were these imbalances as lethal as Mises claimed though? Hardly. The Soviet Union actually experienced very high growth rates up until the last fifteen years of it's life.
>>69297674
>allocate production goods on the basis of their relative scarcity using calculation in kind.
Funny how this failed with every attempt at it in the identical manner Mises predicted
>>69297786
>Bezmenov was a propaganda tool. Don't believe that bullshit
We quote literally have had the documents showing this program for nearly 2 decades fagmo
http://www.nationalobserver.net/1999_autumn_campbell.htm
>>69297786
>So is dictatorship of the proletariat. But yeah...
Give that term a quick google so you won't embarrass yourself again in the future. With enough effort you might become the first anti-communist to actually understand Marx.
Sorry guys, I settled on brony porn today and missed out on my wife's fuck session with Trayshon Lejackson. That stand up example of a man had to go through so much oppression and discrimination selling blow on the streets and i couldn't even be in the room to pay tribute to him.
Please forgive me! :^(
>>69289345
Daily reminder that Marxism is a failed ideology and will never amount to anything, ever, in any format. We smashed your teeth out, humiliated you on the global stage, and now your entire ideology has been relegated to rhetoric for schoolchildren before they know what actual work feels like.
I'm very glad that in the depths of hell, Marx has to endure knowing that he is being represented by losers like you.
>>69297086
>muh violence
>muh social contract
You're also not refuting the position, you may as well be saying "2+2 don't equal 4 because its never been tried!!" Or relegating most of modern physics to "never been seen!!" Get a fucking grip, make an argument and refute the numerous issues in socialism that have been unaddressed for literally decades or fuck off.
>inb4 more le edgytarian ebin memes
>>69298034
>first anti-communist to actually understand Marx.
Considering Sowell and Hayek were both massive Marxist at one point in their lives no he is off by just a little bit
>>69295799
2 white bulls > 1 black one
I consulted my wife on her preferences as well too. Making sure shes comfortable with how she gets railed while I watch is the most important thing.
>>69296282
With markets, it's far harder for the needs of others to be fulfilled as there's a capital barrier preventing resources from going to people. In the communist mode, the capital barrier does not exist. Therefore, through correspondence (because we know that people won't suddenly stop being able to communicate because of switching modes of production) human populations can on their own organize and get resources where they need to go.
This is gonna piss you off so I'm gonna say it: Read about Catalonia, and how industrial production increased after collectivization and massive reduction of the state. I'm not sure the nuances of it, but it seems like a good place to start researching bottom-up economic planning. We must also remember that people are capable of producing a whole lot of what they need on their own in small communities, and most goods that would require constant replenishment could feasibly be produced by communities on their own.
Also, if the economic calculation problem was truly a problem in your mind, you should advocate for modes of production prior to: People were always able to produce what they needed. People on starved when freak occurrences interrupted the production of goods.
>>69297786
That doesn't mean what he said wasn't true, in the sense of some kind of cold reading and vague prediction of the future.
The validity of his remarks about social justice have been borne by the last twenty years of the west. Social justice and multiculturalism are destructive.
>>69294350
An Cuckunist.
>>69296282
Ah right, and I forgot the previous poster's point that computational devices are an easy solution to the problem. Even rudimentary computers are capable of helping central planners plan effectively, but why even do central planning when you can not?
>>69297797
>but their markets were so restricted that they should've collapsed within a decade of real socialism was truly 'impossible
Their markets were sustained by massive black markets anon.
>>69297425
doesn't sound too bad, but I'm not sure that decentralized power is going to work well, won't there be a situation of total anarchy at some point in between? who's stopping the people who have more access to weapons from overthrowing all the rest and create dictatorships? think of what's happening in the middle-east for example, can we prevent that?
>>69295283
so you are saying capitalism results in the optimal allocation of resources?
what fucking joke
>>69295283
>Economic calculation problem
socialists BTFO
BETTER DEAD THAN RED
>>69297674
Money is a good to be in demand you dumbfuck: your system has failed already and is BTFO itself by the mere existence of people who have no interest in it. But I suppose you can coerse or kill them eh comrade?
Tell me more about servitude while you presppose self ownership (and likely private property as your cheetis digest in you) eh comrade?
>dad was in vietnam
>doesn't talk about it much
>one summer evening it begins raining hard as fuck, like 6 feet visibility
>he is fucking hammered
>sits on the deck with his 1911
>repeats "im still waiting charlie"
Thats when I went back to raiding UBRS.
>>69297797
And then it fucking imploded.
10,000s applicants for maccy d's
Wew lad.
>>69298034
I was referring to how Soviets imagined it.
>>69297554
>Kasparov
>literally a rat who ran away to America to beg his masters to make him a satrap of Russia
Okay buddy. But yeah, Kasparov is an example of why I'm anti-globalist and socialist.
American influence is cancer, American ''culture'' is cancer.
>>69298284
I'm refuting your idiotic idea that your ideology will ever come to life anywhere that isn't maybe Somalia. You're wasting your time.
But you're free to do whatever you want I guess, so keep indulging in fantasies of an edgy and autistic Jew.
>>69298028
>>69298339
His remarks are valid, but the idea KGB had some master-plan to destroy Western society which is still at work is obviously a fantasy.
If they were so competent USSR wouldn't fail as hard as it did.
Fuck, August Putsch had support of KGB and it failed miserably.
You have a childish idea that commies were some evil masterminds. IRL many of them were simply bureaucrats who rose to power or deluded old fucks who couldn't accept that great revolution of their God Lenin failed.
>>69298333
>Read about Catalonia
>even the shining star of socialism still had strong arm.militias going around forcing people against their will to collectivize or starve no different than Lenin.
Also local production is of course going to go up if you stop importing shit anon that isn't some big revelation to anything.
It also failed in 3 years and the central committees of it had massive controls over the people under their power.
>>69298732
I'm curious as to why you think there'd be a state of pure anarchy between modes?
>who's stopping the people who have more access to weapons from overthrowing all the rest and create dictatorships?
It depends on what stage of development we'd be in, and what kind of transition government we put into place. A direct democracy, industrial democracy, or a union based democratic system would allow people to keep tabs on one-another. Community policing as well as other communities policing each other would help ensure nothing gets out of hand. However, the main problem with this line of thinking is that you're assuming that people will behave the same in a different mode of production, which Marx argued wasn't true. What would there be to gain from creating a dictatorship? Wealth is meaningless. There'd be no money. No reason to take more resources than you need when you have everything freely available to you.
But assuming that this question you bring up is condemning, as I said before, not all brands of socialist governments are decentralized, and if there was the threat of people creating dictatorships obviously a state being created would be possible. So long as it's not a "Representative" democracy and relies on direct voting of some sort or relies on co-operation between large economic blocs.
>>69298777
Yes. By definition uncoersed exchange cannot be anything other than optimal at any given time. And the opposite by definition is missallocation as its not actually in fucking demand or you wouldn't have to threaten people with violence and buggery to get them to 'purchase' it you autistic neckbeard.
Its not my problem if blow your money on pop tarts and weed rather than healthcare or property.
Who the fuck are you to say what is "optimal" you fucking degenerate?
>>69299793
Why did states and regulations appear?
>>69299325
>Okay buddy. But yeah, Kasparov is an example of why I'm anti-globalist and socialist.
>American influence is cancer, American ''culture'' is cancer.
>if I shit fling insults it'll invalidate his point.
No
Also good work utterly ignoring the source provide faggoy.
>His remarks are valid, but the idea KGB had some master-plan to destroy Western society which is still at work is obviously a fantasy.
See comment above
We have extensive documentation that was since declassified from the Kremlin that 100% confirms the stuff that Yuri exposed.
It isn't some fantasy it is documented history
>If they were so competent USSR wouldn't fail as hard as it did.
It is significantly easier to destroy than to create anon.
>>69298901
No interest in it. Explains why they keep popping up all around the world (i can give you examples if you want), and yet no one has ever implemented your Cato institute/Mises/Rothbard fantasies, it really has no interest amongst the rich or the poor.
>>69299325
>His remarks are valid, but the idea KGB had some master-plan to destroy Western society which is still at work is obviously a fantasy.
No. I don't believe there's some secret cabal of steeple-fingered soviets *still* huddled in a room with cigars, but I do believe the impact of social justice movement on society has longevity.
>>69300114
What the KGB did during the cold war is fully self sustaining and hasn't required input for decades.
>>69299660
>even the shining star of socialism still had strong arm.militias going around forcing people against their will to collectivize or starve no different than Lenin.
When it comes to changes in mode of production, I don't hear you complaining about how Revolutionary France forcefully abolished serfdom, effectively taking away people's property. It ultimately created a better tomorrow. Violent revolution isn't pretty, invariably.
>Also local production is of course going to go up if you stop importing shit anon that isn't some big revelation to anything.
But It's important is it not?
>It also failed in 3 years and the central committees of it had massive controls over the people under their power.
You're absolutely right, but it's far closer to what a good socialist transition economy should look like than we've ever seen on the planet. And it worked well.
But let's analyze the failing part, because I absolutely think that it's more nuanced than that. The FAI was constantly under the threat of stalinist elements of the CNT, who made up the majority of the left faction of the country. That, and (comparatively) tiny catalonia was also fighting against Fascist/Nationalist Spain. To put the icing on the cake, they received no help from anyone. Yet somehow, they managed to live for 3 years. It's a miracle they survived even one. A bigger revolution would be far more successful, the bigger the revolution, the harder it is for capitalists to destroy it.
>>69289506
Hey [/pol/ equivalent of a rabbi], what'cha doing?
>>69299912
Existential threat, violence, survival, people are more than prepared to submit to survive.
Im not sure what you think 'anarchy' from the position of now would look like but it would be largly the same as now except social contracts and the state would be actual contracts. Even voluntary submission to a warlord is fine; the most extreme of nationalism and self defense can function in libertarian philisophy.
What can't fuction is a self BTFO irrational magical thinking ideology that doesn't even work in theory like socialism.
>>69299959
It only talks of Soviet propaganda and other shit they did, not about some master plan to destroy Western society.
Destruction of Western society is a far more complex story than "KGB did it".
Capitalism, or better said neoliberalism and America is destroying Western society.
>>69290282
No, because anarchism is anarchism because there's no property. Unless you had a property free society dictated by christian mob rule or something. But then what's the point of anarchy?
>>69300022
Not an argument
>>69299730
>I'm curious as to why you think there'd be a state of pure anarchy between modes?
I meant once the government is overthrown and the system is abolished, since there's always people who crave to control others; that would be like the perfect moment for them to make their move, isn't it? there's no official police force nor military to stop them anymore, the former military forces themselves could be the instigators of the counter-revolution that would create the dictatorship, not even necessarily doing it for the money, there're many reasons why people would yearn for power over others, I think it's very likely to happen.
>>69290969
Suharto pls go
fucking cuck retards, marx told everyone communism was a CONSERVATIVE movement. He wanted more time to raise a family and to instill traditional values, and was upset to see the family as a merely economic relationship. Divorce has increased because capitalist jews have found out that they make more money if you have to buy two of everything, one at moms house one at dads. They want to bring shitskins to work because their labor force has dried up and decrease the salary of white ppl in europe and abroad. Capitalist jews want to monetize sex and your daughters, and turn your sons into faggots because they spend more money on clothes and makeup. religion is a trap because its a fucking opiate.
marx wanted a perfect society, and wrote extensively about how uncivilized and primitive shitskins were. Wake the fuck up, they poison you for profit... Advertising etc.. they want only to make money and fuck society.
>>69300707
>j-just don't call it a state
>lets go back to square one and recreate same shit that occured over thousands of years of social evolution
Ridiculous.
>>69294350
Fucking epic meme.
>>69299001
> It ain't me
>>69295308
Epic strawman
>>69300431
>When it comes to changes in mode of production, I don't hear you complaining about how Revolutionary France forcefully abolished serfdom, effectively taking away people's property. It ultimately created a better tomorrow. Violent revolution isn't pretty, invariably.
In Catalonia?
Not really at all as it very quickly collapsed and even being "anarchy" was still extremely totalitarian with noone being free to leave without permission from the committees.
>But It's important is it not?
Not really
Division of labor is a proven concept going back hundreds of years.
People who aren't very good at doing x but can do it instead of purchasing x from another group at a much lower price/labor cost whatever value you want to place on it makes them objectively poorer if they make it themselves. The scale of the division of labor (combined with the price system) is unbelievably massive and beyond the scope of human comprehension. Read I pencil to get some sense of scale.
>but it's far closer to what a good socialist transition economy should look like than we've ever seen on the planet. And it worked well.
Failing in three years and needing armed military goon squads violently enforcing an "anarchist" state of existence isn't working well anon
It truly is sad that even the shining example of socialism still required this throughout it's entire existence and is constantly swept under the rug because of this inconvenience.
>Yet somehow, they managed to live for 3 years. It's a miracle they survived even one
They didn't last a year once actual heavy military pressure was pushed on them.
>A bigger revolution would be far more successful, the bigger the revolution, the harder it is for capitalists to destroy it.
>other Commies and fascist destroy it
>it is capitalist fault
Yeah ur a cunt m8
>>69289345
How come Anarchy is considered on the left side of the spectrum when you have Anarchy-Capitalistic movement ?
>>69295874
>keep making
Unless anyone here is quite old, they haven't helped to form a communist/authoritarian socialist state.
>>69289345
What do the flag and flower mean?
>>69296118
What are Tito and the decent leaders doing there?
>>69300776
>Kremlin is litteraly paying for a massive propaganda campaign in the west just as Yuri described
>huuuuurrrr yuri is hack Soviets never tired to subvert the west.
The Soviets even had a dedicated term.for it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures
Socialism is utterly retarded for the common citizen. Communism makes no sense from the perspective of an average citizen.
>>69296493
>>69296629
Epic memes lol XDD
Seriously post an actual argument that's not a shitty MS paint strawman or dank meme.
>>69298613
>but why even do central planning when you can not?
Because you can combine high level, communal planning with free trade of personal artifices to get a system better than everything else. It would be stupid to not take advantage of this, especially with how wasteful capitalism is.
BETTER DEAD THAN RED!
>>69300707
>voluntary submission to a warlord
>>69301749
Can you at least read the shit you link?
No mention of master plan for societal collapse of West. I'm not denying Soviets employed propaganda and subversion, but not on the scale Bezmenov talks about.
Why do leftists hate Christianity?
Without belief in God, then where do we come from?
How do we treat each other?
All this war and discord between us humans.
Why?
My religion has been and is being persecuted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7vvPXz-Qes&index=12&list=RDrVLlBDgQsOo
There can be peace.
>>69301001
>that would be like the perfect moment for them to make their move, isn't it?
Yes, and that's historically been the biggest actual problem with socialist revolutions.
>>69289345
Do leftists hate racists? Because im kind of racist but dont want to be.
>>69301934
Funny how his predictions are being constantly vindicated in today's world.
One of the Democratic party Presidential candidates was at a time part of one of the organizations receiving Soviets subversion money ffs.
The idea thag this subversion didn't take hold is disproven by the world around you
>>69296860
The Dust Bowl was bad but nowhere near the worst agricultural/ecological disaster of the century. It pales in comparison to the many droughts in Russia, the Bengal Famine, the Cambodian famines, the East Timor famines, and other similar events.
The Soviet famine in 1932-33 killed a lot of people, but I've never heard of an estimate that high. There is debate on whether Stalin was actually reducing the potential losses in urban centers by redirecting food there. Still doesn't change that he was a tyrant.
>>69297232
>le librul dogma and subversion conspiracy
Ebin.
>>69299793
>Its not my problem if blow your money on pop tarts and weed rather than healthcare or property.
You see that's exactly the problem. It IS your problem in Capitalism. Don't spend my money on healthcare? That means YOU pay higher costs as I get a free ride on the Hippocratic oath. I'm too stupid to buy property? That means your property is worth less. And seriously, after that housing crash, you got to be pretty stupid to buy real estate as an individual investor.
A true free market, in the manner you describe, could only emerge in a society with socialist policies. You need food to eat, a place to sleep, and medicines to live. You can never have truly "uncoersed exchange" with respect to what one needs to survive
>Who the fuck are you to say what is "optimal" you fucking degenerate?
Not you, that's for sure
GET THE FUCK OUT COMMIE CUNT
What do you guys think about this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdHtfKZ9iy8&t=1m8s
Serious replies please.
>>69295607
1. Take your Rare Flag
2. Make a noose out of it
3. Shoot yourself in the face
Anyone who is not an Egoist or an Individualist is literally cucking themselves
>>69302730
>You can never have truly "uncoersed exchange" with respect to what one needs to survive
Under that logic life itself is coercion anon.
Also this idea that charities don't exist is asinine.
Fun fact
Right wing free market supporters donate roughly twice to charity what left-wing people do in every form from money to food to blood etc.
>>69302419
The point was that Soviet famines happened without an ecological disaster of any kind and while having one of if not the most fertile region in the world under its control.
It is easily the most damning example against centralized planning
>>69299660
Catalonia didn't fail because of its own intrinsic faults. Stalinist betrayal and repeated fascist invasions were largely what killed it. It is a wonder it lasted three years.
>>69303064
>Under that logic life itself is coercion anon.
Under capitalism, it is
>Also this idea that charities don't exist is asinine.
I did not intend to suggest anything like that
>Right wing free market supporters donate roughly twice to charity what left-wing people do in every form from money to food to blood etc.
Ya, and it sure accomplishes a lot. You know why they do it? Because they know just how hardcore they ripping people off and it makes them sleep better at night to donate to some bullshit tax deductible charity.
>>69301791
>he has a cuck ideology
lol'ing at your life m8
>>69303178
if they are the fault of central economic planning, why didn't they continue under central economic planning?
>>69294559
Same reason the right hinges on religion fundamentalists. More votes
>>69301831
smart, smart.
DEATH TO CHAIRMAN MAO. FUCK OFF COMMIE FAGGOTS
