Is /pol/ for or against self driving cars?
For
but I still will own a stick shift for racing
>>69239166
I would like to say for. But I know it will be like setting another telescreen in my life.
>>69239166
I think the positives (sleep during your commute, no/low insurance, no cops pulling you over) out way the negatives (glitch crash, haxors, job loss). We can't avoid the robot revolution much longer
>>69239166
I'm kinda for it now.
Last month I drove for 200km in the middle of the night while being sleepy as fuck and it was awful, never again.
Both, there are a lot of fools driving out there who shouldn't be, but I don't think they should replace manual cars completely.
>>69240127
Same but lucky me the road was mostly empty.
>>69239166
Pro. Though it would destroy millions of jobs, automation is unavoidable better sooner than later.
>>69239166
People will be able to liver in cheaper areas because they can commute longer to work(take a nap on the way to work).
Road trips will be awesome, you can pack and fuel up, start driving at night, go to sleep and only wake up when you need to refuel. Fuck flying, a ten-hour drive suddenly becomes doable instead of suffering.
Most importantly drivable cars will secure private transportation for the foreseeable future. There are some people that hope to push everyone towards public transportation.
>Letting the corporations/states control where you are going. I can assure you that all dissidents will die in mysterious "accidents" on the road. Enjoy your motorised jew.
>>69239166
>Guy from Lippe can't drive for shit
Who would've guessed? They're infamous for being the shittiest drivers in the area.
>>69239166
Anti. It promotes laziness and will increase drug use. They are also worth shit unless every single car on the road is self driving, as they only work when everyone is driving correctly. Anyone that drives knows that barely anyone follows the laws to the letter.
I'm for self driving cars. But only if manual driving is always an option.
>>69241576
>they only work when everybody is driving correctly
Wrong
>>69239166
German driving laws are strange. Blocking an intersection is legal (two cars), pulling into an intersection on the perpendicular, vacating a car in intersection, and it looks like there are traffic lights so maybe not a 4 way stop.
I get self driving cars are a popular idea to reduce accidents and such, but it wouldn't help congestion in many places. Not without decades of infrastructure reconstructions.I'm pro though just for the idea of an AI car with a Brooklyn accent.
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>>69239166
>/pol/
>Smart cars
>This is awesome I approve
>Smart Guns
>Someone's going to hack it/The government will control my device and get me killed fuck no
>a swarm of self-controlling, radar-fitted cameras
>>69241576
If everyone gets self driving cars everyone will drive correctly.
>>69242379
Wew lad
>>69242379
That's a stupid comparison
Self driving cars allow you to have your car drive itself
Electronically lockable guns only infringe upon the second amendment and make guns more prone to failure
for
traffic is one of the best examples of how shitty most people are. i wish we'd just built railroads instead of actual roads
They won't touch these until their automation systems are flawless.
If someone dies while being driven by one of these cars, the payout would be phenomenal.
Insurance companies won't want to insure the car companies, and the government won't want to foot the bill, either.
It will be a long time until we see these.
>>69239166
There is nothing bad about self-driving cars if its owner can be sued for damages and charged with manslaughter in case of the accident. But problem would be that self-driving cars would be killing people and no one to would be responsible.
>>69239282
>The I can shift better than a modern automatic transmission meme
>>69242006
They are complete shit and will never work.
The google car hit the bus recently, because there was a small bag on the road and it recognized it as an obstacle.
Also doesn't work in rain. Also doesn't work in the snow. Also works very poorly at night.
Self-driving cars will never be a thing.
>>69239166
for
Good for people with long drives to work; make better use of the time.
Those who are afraid to drive in bad weather would benefit.
People who have had their licence suspended from drunk driving.
It will catch on slowly, but eventually it will reduce driving fatalities.
When about half the cars are self driving the government will mandate all cars be self driving.
Once again the government will glom onto a change and take credit for the change.
No credit will be given to the engineers who designed and made them work.
The companies which developed the technology won't be thanked, they'll be accused of greed any time the cars wreck.
Bootlickers will praise the government for saving lives.
>>69242858
>the no fun allowed faggot that posts weak bait
>>69239166
>eu drivers
>>69239166
Did he died?
>>69242966
>Those who are afraid to drive in bad weather would benefit.
The self-driving cars don't work in a bad weather and never will.
I like driving.
>>69242988
Actually he's right, your 2016 6 speed auto transmission has surpassed manuals in every way. There is literally no benefit to owning a manual transmission in this day and age.
That being said I still have one because racecar
I think that self driving cars will deal a serious blow to the economy.
>inb4 some sperg freaks out about adapting to change, I'm merely just stating what I think.
Self-driving cars will obviously lead to fleets of self-driving trucks. That's about 3.5 million truckers that will lose their jobs, Possibly more since truckers are expected to grow 21%. Not only that, but what about all the diners and motels and entire communities that rely on the money that truckers will spend.
It is the future and all, but there are going to be a lot of unintended consequences.
>>69242875
"Never" I assume you mean in your life time.
I like the idea of self driving cars.
But is look forward to at first they are only on freeways, or perhaps only on freeways during high traffic.
After a While it would slowly transition to it being everywhere.
The thing is self driving cars makes EVERYTHING cheaper because the cost to trasport goods (truckers) would be cut down simply due to there being faster highways and less traffic.
I'm a programmer self-driving cars are nothing but a nightmare from the software viewpoint
You'd have to make it flawless and practically bugfree and fuckups would result in loss of human life.
First off you'd need some sort of a nationwide switch to self driving cars which is never going to happen for obvious reasons. These out there with all the assholes on the roads is a recipe for disaster.
Naw, its not happening any time soon.
/pol/ is generally silly with their wet dreams of automation
>>69243392
>Self-driving cars will obviously lead to fleets of self-driving trucks. That's about 3.5 million truckers that will lose their jobs, Possibly more since truckers are expected to grow 21%.
there was an interesting bit on NPR about this.
the bottom line is there is nothing you or anyone can do about it. self-driving trucks will be faster, safer, and cheaper. truckers will just have to go find new jobs.
>>69242811
They're already worlds better than humans are, and insurance companies already treat them as actual drivers.
>>69240127
200km
That's like 4 miles, pussy
>>69242379
false equivalence
try again flip
>>69241576
Cars in general promote laziness should be go back to walking instead? Should we not invest in anything convenient for fears it will make people lazier? Lazy people will find their own ways to be lazy regardless.
>>69242875
1 Million miles+ on the road causes a crash once and it will never work?
They have only been on the road 4 years it is extremely new technology of course there is going to be some issues.
>>69243028
There is literally nothing wrong with European drivers.
>>69243154
They will get them to work in bad weather.
As gps and road sensors are added they will probably be safer to ride in than driving yourself.
If they add thermal cameras there will be fewer pedestrian and deer accidents.
>>69239282
>for
no you won't you will not be permitted to drive at all once machines are allowed to drive
>>69243719
Fuck off, count.
You can't bullshit people that actually read about things.
We're not fucking reddit or your Facebook faggot friends.
>>69243331
no shit leaf
For, bud. No doubt about it.
>>69243762
How is it false?
>Both tools
>Both tools that can kill you if they fail
>Smart technology increases points of failure
>Smart technology makes mechanical device vulnerable to cyber attack/exploits
>>69243500
I'm thinking a self-driving truck can do well on a freeway, but I can imagine it would be a nightmare from the software viewpoint when you start getting into city streets.
This is also for >>69243657
First, it takes a while to actually slow down a fully loaded truck. A self-driving truck would need to be constantly scanning ahead and watching future traffic lights, the amount of cars at a traffic light, take into account the speed limit and how much to apply the brakes the safely accelerate without impeding traffic. Say for example that two blocks away a light just turned yellow and there's five cars putting on their brake lights to stop for the impending red light change. A truck is going to have to take into account road conditions, distance to the eventual redlight, how many cars are stopped at the redlight, how much weight is in the truck, airbrake pressure all while avoiding potholes and taking into account bridge heights and other traffic hazards. Plus, when the truck itself gets to it's destination, how does it expect to put itself into the dock?
From what I heard self driving trucks will still have a trucker in the cab with the truck that will take over when the truck is off the freeway. It'll probably pay a lot less.
>>69239166
Only if they are pre programmed to run down illegal immigrants.
>>69242811
>and the government won't want to foot the bill, either.
Government can make laws that self-driving cars din do nuffing wrong. If you are killed by one its is you problem. Oh yeah this is possible.
>>69243819
haahhh smart roads is a fucking pipe dream
they can;t even manage to keep them paved here in murica the roads are 3rd work status here
they do not even have money to fill potholes or fix current crumbling infrastructure
you almost need to have a an SUV where i live to not get 4 flats a year
Fine if other people use them, so long as they are held liable when their self driving car goes terminatormode.
Against it for myself: I like driving. It would be like relying on a computer to watch porn for me.
>>69241206
This.
The outcome of your journey could be in the hands of someone that you are not aware of, that disliked your non-PC comment on a social plebia platform. Those things will wield the power of you ending up in a tin can wrapped around a tree. When investigations are held, the case will be closed with the reason "mysterious" vehicular malfunction.
>>69243855
http://fortune.com/2016/02/10/google-self-driving-cars-artificial-intelligence/ Here, do some reading, Abo-filth.
>>69244142
>A self-driving truck would need to be constantly scanning ahead and watching future traffic lights, the amount of cars at a traffic light, take into account the speed limit and how much to apply the brakes the safely accelerate without impeding traffic. Say for example that two blocks away a light just turned yellow and there's five cars putting on their brake lights to stop for the impending red light change. A truck is going to have to take into account road conditions, distance to the eventual redlight, how many cars are stopped at the redlight, how much weight is in the truck, airbrake pressure all while avoiding potholes and taking into account bridge heights and other traffic hazards. Plus, when the truck itself gets to it's destination, how does it expect to put itself into the dock?
Do you not think a computer could would be considerably better at this than a human?
>>69244232
This. 90% of city road workers are lazy fuckers who break shit and screw up the roads on purpose for job security..
>>69239733
Assuming there's a robot revolution, how will this affect the jews in power?
Also I've seen a self driving car here in San Francisco
>>69239166
For!
My country is crowded with roads. It's just like a circuit. By building self driving cars, there would be less roads needed (less traffic jams) and there would be less traffic signs needed (cars could communicate with each other). There would be more space left for nature and towns. Moreover I think that the average human is too stupid to drive. More self driving cars would mean less deads.
Thirdly I think we have to give more space to pedestrians and less to cars. Our Europeans are not built to be filled with cars and highways Aka Coolsingel, Blaak, Unter dem Linden, Champs d'Élysées) Sitting in a car is not an easy way to talk with people on the streets. We have to realize that our cities have been taken away from us since industrial times. This is a way to take them back and let them shine again. Our continent have been filled with ugly roads and their signs. However, I think we have to let Europe and especially the big cities more look like the times when the cities and nature were a pleasure to look at. Cities like Brussels and Madrid are making their cities more walkable fortunately. When the cars are banned from the center, everyone would be able to walk in the middle of the street again. Just like the old times. It would be easy to park a car, because it could drive to the garage himself. To be honest, what's better than carefree driving to Paris while it's still night?
logically i can think of no reason to oppose them except that it makes me feel like a cuck to be driven around by a robot
I am pro-AI in general since AI will end up being racist as fuck.
>>69239166
As long as a self thinking A.I controls it rather than a human.
>>69243770
>>69243399
>1 million miles
It drives at 30kmh, that's why it managed to avoid crashes, mostly because people would avoid the slow retarded I believe.
You don't know how that shit works.
I bought one of these new cars last year - surround view, night vision, motion detection, lane assist, adaptive cruise control, blind spot assist etc etc.
So here's how it works: during the rain the cameras and all the systems go crazy, because the car believes the reflection of light in the droplets are cars.
The front radar shuts down if it gets dirty or covered by snow.
The whole thing doesn't have a depth of vision, so it relies on the radar when estimating the speed and the radar only covers about 30 degrees at the front.
Naturally it doesn't have any understanding of materials or mass, so it mistakes a paper bag on the road for a obstacles and start braking.
The night vision doesn't see bumps and holes in the road, unless they have sharp edges. It's generally very bad with round shapes.
And that's the cutting edge of today's car industry. So unless you're ready to have a car with 20 cameras and 8 radars (all self-cleaning), infrared scanners etc, which will keep breaking and you will keep paying to get them fixed it will never work.
>>69239166
I dont want the police to decided to pull my car over or want the corporations to disable my brakes because I said bad things about them over the internet
>>69244379
Of course a computer can calculate things much better than a human, but how is a computer going to see what a traffic light is two blocks away. I'm more worried about its sensory input, not it's ability to make decisions on the data.
So no, a human driver would be much better than a computer trucker in city conditions.
>>69244232
>the roads are 3rd work status here
You have no idea what you are talking about.
The roads and transportation systems all over the USA are fantastic compared to actual third world countries.
Could they be better, all things considered? Yes. Are they as bad as you are suggesting? No.
>>69244780
RARE
>>69239166
>self driving cars
Just get a stick shift and learn a thing or two about vehicles you lazy americlaps.
>>69240127
last month I had worked an entire shift and just before I was about to leave I got a call from a hospital 300 miles away. They had a machine broken down and needed a spare part that only I had on the entire East coast. So I ended up driving to a medium sized hick city in Central Virginia in the middle of the night. That really sucked ass but i got paid $500 to do it.
>>69242166
It is not "legal", it is just more efficient to use the space, you are suppossed to clear the intersection as soon as possible, blocking it is what you do if you are retarded. Vacating a car on an intersection is anything but legal.
The guy who got rammed is just fucking stupid and should not have driven on the intersection in the first place, here you are expected to actually look ahead and not drop your foot on the gas when you see green.
>>69244547
>tfw the AI becomes so racist at some point that it's gonna shoa all
humongs and it's creators
>muh 7.4 billion
>>69244232
>a fucking pipe dream
I'm sure your parents said they same thing about you learning to drive.
If someone with an IQ of 65 can drive a car...it can be automated.
>>69244679
I don't know how the lights work in Murica but there could be a local database of timing so the computer would know what the traffic light is going to be without having to actually visually identify it.
i'll say it again
they have not even been able to implement AI for trains , and they run on a fucking track and on a fucking schedule
it's never going to happen
can't even make a self driving train that runs on a track and on a schedule but hurr durr self driving cars are just around the corner
>>69239166
Google wants to remove the ability of the driver to take over.
Burn them all.
>>69244780
they are like tora fucking bora circa 2002
not even fit for humans to drive on let alone machines
>>69239166
Against. For: hover cars so we can start driving over oceans.
>>69240865
kek
wouldnt slower be better? Since the only way our economy can recover jobs these days is to grow them the slow way?
>>69245643
>Trusting the vehicular jew
Political enemy? whoops! car malfunctioned :^)
>>69245523
Self driving trains exist, they would be more prevalent if it wasn't for muh jobs
>>69245935
yes they don not exist is the US
so probably the biggest obstacle for self driving cars will be political ,just like it is for trains
I don't see the problem if you drive an automatic, since the car is basically doing the driving for you already.
>>69245872
This is what I mean.
I would love self driving but only if I know I can absolutely manually override. I would love to lets say read on the way to work.
However it seems like all these new products are doing the full retard the removing the manual methods. Like the thermostats that got a shitty update and just cut off the heat for a bunch of Canadians on a winter weekend. Or cars getting hacked and the driver can brake because jeep removed the old reliable vacuum pressure break shit that guaranteed the driver have a couple good breaks in the past.
Also I hate that one day I will be expected to have a work meeting on my way to work one day.
>>69244322
just trust us you stupid goy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_urban_metro_subway_systems
no driver or floppy drive
>>69243783
kek that's a breddy big fog bank
>>69239166
I'll always have mixed feelings. I like the idea of how much faster travel would be with full automation but I don't care for the Minority Report style tracking it would place on everyone.
>>69239166
I very much doubt they are going to happen, we should get some impressive semi-automated stuff happening though.
>>69246417
so the only full automated grade 4 systems in the US are small scale toys that are either monorail or airport people movers
no real transportation system , not even metro
in EU it is just metro
all light rail small scale
there are still no heavy rail fully automated systems that can travel between cities,states and regions
>>69247079
>no real transportation system
Its all fake like the moon landings.
>>69247079
>no heavy rail fully automated systems
Hasn't been done yet, can't be done.
>These horseless carriages are never gonna work because they need roads.
>>69245523
This guy gets it, people do not grasp just how monstrously difficult a true self driving car would be to create. Trains and planes are both great examples of transport that has had practical, in-use automation for many years, but have completely failed to get full automation to really happen.
What's wrong with the future btw?
>>69239166
>BMW driver
>Driving like a massive prick
Well colour me surprised.
>>69247672
i didn't say that people movers are not the same as an amtrack
so yeah if it can not be done then with a train that runs on a track and on a schedule then how
is it going to ever be done with other vehicles on shitty roads and unpredictability
it has to me millions of magnitudes more difficult to make self driving cars
>BMW
You just know he was guilty of whatever they were arguing and deserved that.
>>69239166
>LIP
stands for Lippe, a county known for its bad drivers.
>Lieber Tripper als ein Lipper.
(I rather have gonorrhea than to be someone from Lippe)
is a saying here
For. The implications of surveillance are pretty scary, though.
>>69248910
>>69248729
>>69239166
Nope, modern software is still shitty bloated mess.
Memory leak in your car's OS means you're dead.
>>69243824
>what are track days
People are fucking retards on the road, I look forward to no more texting and driving, etc.
>>69249114
shit wrong pic
They'll never replace horses.
Its too complicated.
Simply can't be done.
>>69239166
Against.
>>69249191
I'm just gonna ride my bike in the city, taking the lane every time knowing that nobody will ram me from behind or try to pass me unsafely.
Also I'm gonna go sooooo sloooooooooow.
>>69239166
For.
But only if they drive at the speed limit and not 20 miles an hour under like they are currently doing. It means no more stupid old people with mile-long queues behind them. Everyone driving at the speed limit will makes journeys much faster and safer for everyone.
People are already worthless slugs behind the wheels and you'd want them be able to do nothing at all
With that kind of "innovation", you end up with pic related
I don't even like driving that much but I like to be in control of whatever the fuck I do
>>69239166
For. Idiots kill too many people with cars. Also if everyone had an automated car, the slinky effect will be diminished and speeds could be increased
>>69243331
>no benefits for having manual
In the meantime, literally no race/rally car uses automatic transmission.
>>69249310
And a horse is still better: MUCH less expensive, can be easily refueled, doesn't need 40000000000$ and a team of technicians to repair the time something breaks. and when worse come to worse it can feed your squad.
>>69239166
What happens when the AI on board the vehicle has to decide between your life or someone else? An AI good enough to drive your vehicle will have rules set in place regarding this.
Maybe an incident where your car loses control due to ice and there are 2 pedestrians on a side walk. You're heading towards them, but if your vehicle saves you, you'll kill them. If it saves them, it'll kill you by crashing into a car. What does it choose?
To all the statist cucks here advocating for automated cars.
If you give your cars away, you're going to have to hand in your guns too.
>>69249668
F1 cars are automatic.
>>69239282
Why is the GT-R no stick then. :^)
If stick is for racing, how come it's the norm everywhere in the world? Sticks outnumber automatics almost 20 to 1. Normie :)
>>69243783
>women drivers
>>69249947
They're semi-auto. No automatic gearbox will know the conditions ahead and whether it's better to shift or not.
>>69243331
What a fucking flying leaf faggot
>>69250076
>>69250076
>No automatic gearbox will know the conditions ahead and whether it's better to shift or not.
So far. Just wait a few more years. Machines are superior in every way imaginable.
>>69248582
You would no longer have true choice, everything would be logged somewhere, and the computer controlling the vehicle may even have it's own bias's put in place by the companies that control them.
>oh whats that, you want to get to the Polling Center?
>looks through records to find political alignment
>if republican it doesn't take you away from the polling place
EPIC
>>69250076
Yes, it does require that you shift gears with your finger, but the actual mechanism is highly similar to automatic gearboxes. Similar to higher end cars with automatic gearboxes where you can shift gears with your fingers.
>>69249908
Not statist
Not afraid of the future
Looking forward to more ways to defend myself
>>69239166
wow.......i have no fucking words.
![Nebelschlussleuchte[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/snUtTJY.jpg "Nebelschlussleuchte[1].jpg")
>>69243783
wait, for situations like this cars have to have a rear fog-lamps.
No one uses it there
>>69250410
>hacked a drone
>hacked
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>69240865
>Argentine economics
No wonder your country is so shit
>>69250499
What's wrong autist, this still falls within the definition of hacking.
>>69242875
Toplel, how many people said stuff like these for other things
Selfdriving cars will be a thing in the next 10-15 years, mark my words
>>69239166
I'm all for it. Not getting a car at all until I can get one.
>>69250296
But it's up to driver to decide whether to shift up or down, which is the most important thing considering gearbox design.
>>69250254
>few years
Doubt it, the thing is much more complex than you probably think.
>>69248582
>Dann van den Bos, as you agreed to in your leasing contract for your car, your car will now drive you to a shop of our partners where you are able to buy female sanitary products with a 5% discount before your car drives to your destination
>>69248729
BMW drivers should be burned for spending so much money on a shitty car and being massive pricks.
My biggest fear is that the technology will be ready sooner than we think but it would be used similar to Windows 10, it would be full of hidden costs and stuff that you couldn't control
>didn't pay the bill, car can't start
>drive me here car; car: i know of a better place, wanna go to [advertisement]
>i wanna go to X city, can't because something against government is happening there
etc
>>69251283
valid concerns
Wouldn't be surprised to see an automated car tax when cities aren't getting as much revenue from moving violations.
Also....what excuse does a cop have to pull over an automated car?
Hopefully there wont be a self driving truck, then I'd be out of a job.
>>69239166
For.
Humans drive like the insane hairless apes that they are...and that's when they aren't drunk.
>>69239166
Self driving cars are already safer than human drivers. If all cars on the road a self driving and communicate with each other, the efficiency of traffic is wonderful.
I will only be for self-driving cars when Google and Apple and Richard Branson put their cars into a demolition derby. Against human opponents.
Should the self-driving cars get through the whole fiasco without being impacted or crashing, then I will have a modicum of faith in them.
>>69243770
Except this will literally promote being ignorant of your surroundings in situations that should demand your complete attention. It will be like cell phones in cars x 10.
And it will increase drug use in that now people have no excuse to not drink. I don't think its a good idea to have drunk people in cars that can be switched over to manual control if needed.
>>69251835
They are currently road testing self driving trucks.
Wouldn't be surprised to see trucking companies be the early adopters of the technology.
>>69239166
of fucking course
a. drive anywhere i dont know, without worrying to crash
b. fuck taxis, truck drivers, bus drivers. really, fuck them
c. saves time
>>69252373
ffs
>>69239166
For. But i agree with the current safety philosophy of mandatory driver hands on wheel at all times just in case. I am sick of dealing with stupid people on the roads. If automation can fix that problem, and think that it should if designed right, please continue development.
>>69252246
If self driving tech works you wouldn't need to take over control
Of course, there's gonna be a (long) transitional period where this might be a potential danger. But i don't think people will drink more because of self driving car, at least not in large percentage
>>69252443
>b. fuck taxis
One less reason for immigrants to leave home.
>>69242858
>I am a retarded american and cannot shift proactively instead of reactively like any automatic transmission can only possibly ever do
>>69252443
>drive anywhere
kek
>please choose from the approved Google destinations
>you have chosen a destination that isn't your workplace or one of the 5 destinations you entered at licensing
>please visit your local Google traffic shop to buy additional destinations
>>69239166
Post the webms of gifs of them driving you into oncoming traffic for no reason. The news articles of them causing traffic chaos and smashing into buses at 5 mph. They're mini retarded potatoes that can drive you off the road if you aren't liked. How are they going to know when to brake for so many varied objects that can come on the roads? The contexts? They won't. Nobody asked for this. Driving is fun
>>69246438
Nothing compared to the fog we get every day in northern Italy.
It's literally a meme
>sun in the south and the isles, moderate rains in central italy, and fog in Val Padana
every single time
>>69252882
yeah...but parents with teenagers might like a feature that limits where the car can go
>>69252882
nope, thats the icar
google is more like, sign to google plus to use car
>>69250289
Luckily in Oregon we've advanced beyond polling centers. Used mail-in ballots for 20+ years.
It's 2016!
>>69243500
This.
The security would also need to be one of a kind. You can already hack into most modern cars, and a self driving one would just be a bigger disaster imo.
>>69253161
So they can raise the perfect adult child that doesn't know what the words "personal responsibility" mean?
![41X8elBLRiL._SY300_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nAGwwV5.jpg "41X8elBLRiL._SY300_[1].jpg")
>>69250444
People just drives, they donät understand their cars.
For those who can't put on the rear fog lights: turn clockwise two clicks and pull the handle
>>69253300
This raises another concern for car manufacturers. They purposely build their security for cars like shit so they profit when people get cars stolen from. People mostly choose the same car to buy from the same manufacturer.
>>69240127
Last Friday I had to go pick up my car and give back my dad his
>woke up at 7:00 AM
>had to a job interview at 8
>got to work at 9
>left at 19:30
>hopped in my car and drove 750km
>got to my destination at 3:30AM
>went to the pub with my dad and had a couple beers
>drove to his place and went to sleep at 5 AM
It's like you're a pussy or something.
>>69239166
>driving alone
>nigger mammy with 6 screaming pickaninnies runs out into the road
>mfw car decides that 7 nig lives are worth more than mine and drives me into a wall or a tree
>>69250499
Not building a drone to hack the "hacked" drone and shoot the owner
https://github.com/samyk/skyjack
>>69243783
wtf???
>>69253787
>mfw because of this they program cars not to go any faster than what the brakes can react in <10m, forcing all cars to drive like snails
I don't see how self-driving cars could ever work.
What if there is trash in the road? A self-driving car won't know the difference between a stroller and an empty cardboard box. I imagine it won't be programmed to swerve around things in the road. It would probably stop and announce "Obstruction. Obstruction."
What about branches in the road? What about a busy parking lot with people walking around? Sometimes people stop and wave you on so that you're not waiting there all goddamn day.
Driving requires too much human intuition to ever be automatized.
>>69241206
Most of all, this.
I don't trust anything that doesn't have a direct mechanical connection to a control element inside the car.
Electric steering? Fuck that.
Fuck electronic accelerators, too.
Let's not even talk about electronic brakes and automatic transmissions.
>drive
>car starts speeding up on its own
>leave accelerator
>nothing happens
>press brake
>nothing happens
>pull handbrake
>nothing happens because that's electric too
>turn off ignition
>doesn't turn off
>can't just press the clutch because automagic
>car steers into a concrete block even though the steering wheel never moved
>Man killed in misterious accident, police are investigating the case. More at 19.
>>69254096
My best guess is that it's gonna be incremental transition, where self driving cars would first be used on major highways, then on less and less used roads. Some standardization would need to happen, where the same kind of road surface and colors would be used everywhere
>>69254344
This will start to happen when cars get adopted, first they have to make sure everyone starts believing it's safe
>>69254096
Could be argued the other way.
Humans tend to over react to obstructions on the road, that is why automated breaking systems are useful.
If the car spots the obstruction and doesn't over react and swerve way out of the way it would be safer.
>>69241206
>implting they can't do that already
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)
>>69254344
>electronic brakes
stop triggering me senpai
>>69239166
jew trickery
Do you know what self driving cars cannot do? Make real time decisions. Sure, they can react to things, but a self driving car will see a bunch of shit in the road at night and stop. An actual driver will notice the nigger standing on the shoulder watching them approach and say "Nah fuck that" and keep going.
Self driving cars will get you killed because they're basically just delivery devices as far as criminals are concerned.
>>69239166
Against. I would hate to be stuck in traffic behind some slow ass cars that brake for anything and everything.
>>69239166
I don't know.
The biggest part of safe driving is that you are expected to predict behavior of other drivers.
With humans you have an array of communicating methods, including waving hands to let them through, blinking with lights and, you know, turn signals and at the very last, horn. Is the car able to observe them and react accordingly to the context?
Because to make them equal as road users, you have to give and require the same from both groups.
>>69254096
Also, I thought of another thing. Sometimes the weather conditions make a person drive at a lower rate of speed than the speed limit.
I recall a couple months ago in my local city when the roads were all frozen over. Shit was slippery as fuck. I went about half the speed limit everywhere.
There is another instance where human intuition is required.
>>69254976
Didn't think of that before. Criminals will spend years perfecting what makes the car stop and then hijack the driver
>>69253787
Fuck man, that actually happened to me.
>driving in city
>limit is 50km/h, doing 80 as usual
>traffic light just ahead turns yellow
>this is one light that takes forever
>downshift and accelerate hard
>I'm less than 40m from the intersection at over 100 when a nigger gal jumps out running from behind a bus with her child, runs into the road without looking
>brake with the force of a thousand suns
>all 4 wheels lock up
>she hears the screech, gets scared and STOPS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING ROAD
>look at the incoming traffic, they're all speeding past the yellow light at a million miles an hour too
>see a gap that looks like it's just about big enough, maybe
>HARD TO PORT!
>leave brake
>car jerks left, I barely avoid the niggers but I'm now on a collision course with the guys coming the other way
>drop another two gears and give it everything it's got
>I make it through
>brake hard again before slamming into the people stopped in the intersecting road
>end up stopped in the middle of the intersection, sideways, and facing the wrong way into a one way street
My closest call to date.
I fucking hate niggers.
>>69255326
They just stop the car in front of you and carjack you while your retarded google cars sits there thinking it's stuck in traffic.
>>69242875
Well they aren't finished yet
Obviously if we used the tech as it is now it'd be utterly shit but that's what they're working to fix.
>>69244425
Yeah I see a tesla parked by hippy hill a few times before, but hadn't seen it drive at all.
I'm somewhat for it. Better for people who couldn't drive properly enough to save their lives. I don't want it as a requirement though in the future.
I've never had a ticket, fender bender, or even a dent from bumping into something.
>>69255560
>new update available: run over criminals, do you want to update [Y/N]
>>69239166
i wouldnt ride in one unless i was drunk. i just dont trust these robots yet.
>>69255589
Read
>>69244640
It's not possible, because a reliable system would be too complicated.
So it's either you go broke paying for repairs or you buy and extended warranty and the manufacturer goes bankrupt.
>>69239166
i would say only on certain cars, like trucks and moving many passengers, self driving cars for every one is like asking for a tragedy.
>>69239166
Against
i'm also against pedestrian safety. And bring back hydraulic power steering steering drive by wire because electric power steering and electric throttle is a pile of SHIT.
MUH CRUISE CONTROL
>>69254344
Based ferrari
>>69255735
Why are automated cars so racist?
>>69244640
kek'd at the indestructible paper bag
>>69256002
thats actually awesome.
>>69255514
>Italian drivers
you guys crack me up
>>69255514
>>limit is 50km/h, doing 80 as usual
and that's why italians should walk.
>>69244425
Don't you understand that self-driving cars are an anti-jew conspiracy?
The idea is to get rich kikes to use only self driving cars so they lose the use of their arms.
>>69256091
>>69256285
cars on brazil usually dont do this shit, we still use the leftovers fron detroid goldtimes.
>>69244780
RARE
>>69254344
What about putting the car in neutral?
>>69250254
what is radiation...
>>69256157
>implying speed limits aren't retarded 95% of the time
There's a road with a 50 speed limit that I've never seen anyone drive less than 120 on.
And with good reason, since it's almost a fucking motorway.
I will concede that here in Turin we sometimes get a bit crazy in the city though.
It's not uncommon to see people slaloming around rush hour traffic at 120 kph.
Milan is the same.
>2018
>Not trolling automorons with mannequins bolted to the side of the road pretending to be about to cross
Who would you guys say has the right of way in this situation?
Let's say that you want to turn right onto a one way, and another car wants to turn left. You are both leaving parking lots.
Does the person turning right have the right of way? What about if the person turning left has been waiting longer to turn?
>>69256513
On modern automatics that's electrically actuated as well.
It could work if all cars are automated. When the road is mixed with automated and manual cars, bad things might happen
>>69241206
This is the best post by canada in months
why are the rest of you trying to lose your freedom just to be lazy?
>>69256714
this. is. the .future.
in the future i will be the only one using a non autonomous car, i will troll every single motherfucker by stoping sudently at crossroads.
>>69243392
It will lead to increased productivity in society because those millions of former truckers and other professional drivers will now be doing something else, instead of their labor power being lost as overhead.
>>69256773
The car on the bottom, because right hand driving.
This is basic stuff, burger,
>>69256711
what is braking distance you spaghetti muncher. speed limits are employed for situations exactly like you just described.
please walk, for your safety and others'.
For
Holy shit I am for it so hard I shit diamonds
>>69256773
my country has rules that gives one of those lanes the priority based on traffic lights or direction(toward the city is preferential over outside.)
>>69256919
>>69256919
What about if the car wanting to turn left has been waiting longer to turn?
They might be impatient and try to turn before the other person, because "Hey, that asshole just got there and I've been waiting X minutes to turn."
>>69256969
What if people just didn't jump out of buses from the middle of nowhere?
The few times it happens it's always the niggers.
Italians learned the lesson a long time ago.
Jump into the road -> get ran over. It's not rocket science.
>>69244425
>Assuming there's a robot revolution, how will this affect the jews in power?
The Jews will own all of the robots and the rest of us will starve to death. Then they will build their third temple and enjoy earth without any goys ruining it.
>>69256773
The correct order is bottom, left, top.
This is right of way 101, burger friend.
>>69257047
So you let him turn before you, what else you gonna do, hit him? People break that rule all the time, it basically comes down to "who's faster" because of idiots
>>69257047
>What about if the car wanting to turn left has been waiting longer to turn?
Doesn't matter.
You would be in your right as long as you are at the intersection.
>>69257197
the destroyed cars i've seen in rome tell otherwise. as long as you play carmageddon in your country i don't care.
>>69257047
Right of way rules do not take into account how impatient you are.
The only exception is when traffic is so congested that there is never a gap.
In that case, it is acceptable to force your way through.
>>69257283
Considering he set the situation as 2 parkings (up and down) and 1 road (in the middle), correct order is middle, bottom, up
>>69239166
I trust a robot driver more than I trust an Asian woman behind the wheel.
>>69257440
In Rome people drive like shit.
We drive faster in Turin and you don't see too many banged up cars.
>>69257283
Do you mean south, west, and north?
How on Earth does that make any sense? Who knows which is "bottom" in a non-two-dimensional illustration?
Post more car webms
>>69257500
Didnd't notice that.
You're right.
>>69239166
FOR not even a question! Over time this will almost eliminate all traffic accidents.. but we are not there yet and we are not as close as google likes to suggest.
>>69257619
>implying you aren't viewing that picture projected on a plane in threedimensional space
>>69255514
Uh, I don't really think that it's normal to check for people going over double the speed limit before crossing the road. "Okay the road looks clear, let me just double check farther away for a car going way faster than the speed limit. Okay that is clear too."
I would say the near collision was your fault.
Personally, I'm very safe when crossing the road. I make sure that the vehicle is at a dead stop, or I'm positive that the driver has seen me, or the vehicle is going slow enough to allow me to cross the street in time should they refrain from braking.
I did have one instance though with a shitty driver like you. I was turning right onto a road after leaving a parking lot and the speed limit was 35 MPH. Some dumb fuckin' motorcyclist swerves around my car, gives me the finger, and takes off. Dude was going like 70 MPH. It's like Riiiiiiight, I cut you off. When I leave parking lots I should totally check for dumbass bikers two to three blocks away going double the speed limit before I turn out of a parking lot. Riiiiight, buddy." Hopefully he ended up getting in an accident later. Fuckin' shitty driver.
>>69257759
thats only true because acidents by definition can only be caused by humans, but it will sure cause lots of problems.
>>69257759
I am also for that, but there're a lot of concerns about self driving cars that we mostly didn't think about it before
>>69254976
>>69254344
>>69254096
>>69253300
>>69243500
Just some of the concerns
>>69243028
Well at least we actually have to learn how to drive :P
>>69239166
self-driving cars are retarded and cause just as many accidents as normal cars.
What would the car do in this situation?
>>69257878
You're missing the part where she jumped out from behind a bus on a red light.
Obviously I don't plow through a city intersection at 60MPH if it doesn't have either a traffic light, or complete visibility on the crossing road.
>>69257999
stop
>>69257587
Teach me your ways master
>>69257999
It would stop, because it's going at the sanctioned 30km/hour,
>>69240127
kek that's the roundtrip between my house and the college town in which I live
>>69257999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYOYewO_Veg
>>69257999
Killing one to save five is the logical thing to do and anyone who says "I wouldn't know what to do" is retarded.
>>69256773
>bottom car turning only impedes cars driving left to right
>top car turning impedes literally everyone else
Right of way applies, even if the road is a one way street
>>69243783
To be fair, the fog was fucked up that day. We were fucking around in the rural hills and we couldn't see shit. And these people were driving on the freeway, where the limit is 130 and the average driver is going at least 150 km/h. IIRC 70+ vehicles crashed and 5 people died in the pileup.
>>69243783
hahahaha
>mfw living in glorious Padania and fog is so thick you can't even see to put your fingers in your eyes
>mfw people drive with foglights even when there's no fog annoying the shit out of me
>>69239166
I'm for it, as long as I'm still allowed to drive my own.
Yep. Misguided macho men with small dicks and smaller brains who feel the need to manually control the car shouldn't even get a say.
>>69239166
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>constantly connected to GPS
Why would you want even more of your freedom taken away?
>>69257999
Anyone who says they wouldn't pull the lever is a fucking autist of the highest caliber.
>>69258403
>>69239166
im for suing niggas who own them
>>69258224
shiiiieeeet, i guess he had a break failure on the trailer and couldn't stop with only the tractor becuse the road was icy
>>69257999
more like this anon.
>>69258550
Most men aren't pigs but there's a minority of them who definitely are, and so many other things, who ruin the image of the rest.
>>69258486
I wouldn't pull the lever. Do you realize that you would get in serious legal trouble for doing that? You directly caused the death of a person.
The law doesn't punish a person for failure to act. You're not required to save anyone. I remember a court case awhile back where this chicken shit cop refused to help a man who was being attacked. The court decided that the cop wasn't required to help the man.
>>69251736
Invalid tags, poor maintenance, driving faster than speed limit
Same shit as a driver.
>>69258474
How does its navigation system take your freedom away?
>>69258224
Jel umro?
>>69239166
All my 80's and 90's sci fi movies make me think that, in theory, having an "autopilot" button on a car sounds nice, and very cool. And could prevent lots of accidents if a sleepy or drunk driver just sets the car to automatic instead of taking a gamble at staying awake.
But in practice we all know it would become a MANDATORY safety feature, and everyone would just use it all the time for convenience, lessening driver skill and eventually, driving itself will become a lost art as Liberal rulemakers push harder and harder for a driverless future.
We've already seen how having internet on youre phone looks.
Everyone is glued to their screens 24/7 instead of just using their phone now and then to look something up. it would be the same. Humans are drawn to convenience like moths to a flame, tradition and culture be damned.
Car culture? pffft, fuck that, I need to feel safer in my big bubble car. if I dont have to drive it, I can take timmy to soccer practice safely and comfortably while reading my romance novel and browsing facebook!
>>69257999
run away, so i dont get any regrets no nothing
i hate them, when they start existing in mass, getting a non self driving car is gonna be stupidly expensive because you're gonna be paying a huge amount of money for insurance plus there's probly gonna even gonna be extra taxes and shit
fuck self driving cars, stop being lazy
I will not give up my privilege to drive.
They will say it is for "safety"
>>69258069
Kek, that car just reminded me of a scene I saw a few days ago which was fucking hilarious
>driving down a boulevard at 80
>again limit is 50 but nobody gives a shit
>traffic police ahead is doing 80 like everyone else
>me, police and other people align left to turn
>there is a separate light for turning left, which becomes green on both sides only after the light for going straight turns red
>light for straight turns green
>the guy in front of the police starts up at a million miles an hour with a massive wheelspin, burns the red light, and cuts in front of the people who are just setting off from the other side
>stops at a bar just on the other side of the intersection
>police do nothing
>becomes green
>we all go
>doing 80 again
>after a minute or so I see the same guy coming in hot from behind
>slaloming his way around the traffic
>overtakes me from the left
>cuts all three lanes and overtakes police from the right, before swerving back to the center lane to avoid a truck parked illegally
>police do nothing
>everyone says "well fuck it then" and starts doing 100
>torino.avi
He had a 1996 Fiat Punto with just that color.
>>69258718
actually there are laws regarding this.
>>69258772
they will know exactly where you are, and they could block the car soo that you cant get out of the line.
>>69250499
thats what hacking means, taking something and making it do things the creators never wanted or intended
