http://nypost.com/2016/03/28/california-reaches-deal-to-be-first-state-with-15-minimum-wage
>The proposal, which still must win approval from moderate lawmakers, would make California the first to raise the statewide minimum wage to $15 an hour – the highest in the nation – while giving the governor the right to opt out if the economy falters.
I can see this going well.
>inb4 the government opts out, but it's too late as job cuts and replacing people with machines has already happened
This is a good thing. Automation will only make our lives easier and the sooner we get started on it the better.
California leading the future in technological development as always.
>>69229381
at first the lost jobs will cause riots andeveryone will hate AI and robots but then transhumanism will occur where no currency exits and capitalism dies.
>>69229381
It's going to suck for anyone that does not have a skill that is worth paying money for (versus buying a machine to do the job or foregoing it), which is going to be an increasing amount of the population with minimum wage hikes and advancement in automation.
>>69229381
There was an interesting article a few years ago on NHK. Basically it talked about how the Japanese were solving their aging population with automation and robots.
>>69229519
The same thing happened with the advent of the assembly line. Our culture and economy will adjust. Sure it will be rough at first for some but the ends certainly justify the means.
i'm curious about what this will do for companies like mcdonald's and others who hire mostly part-time laborers
will they decrease those and look to hire more full-time workers or what
it seems like any fast food joint has a majority staff of part-timers and maybe like 2 full-timers (management)
>>69229602
From an industrialization stand point that is the actual solution for low birthrates. The west is committing suicide by importing sand niggers instead of focusing on automation to solve the low birthrate problems.
>>69229208
>inb4 the government opts out, but it's too late as job cuts and replacing people with machines has already happened
>implying
The economy will begin a slow and painful doward spiral. Large corps are going to start automating and increase their productivity in the long term by a massive factor. This will spur the GDP of California to most likely soar through the roof all the while causing massive income inequality. Liberals will point to the "success" of the minimum wage and claim that it boosted the economy all the while claiming that the corporate fat cats are draining the "middle class" of its wealth. So they'll implement massive social safety nets taxing the corporations, except of course, those with influence enough to write in enough loop holes to negate the tax increase a.k.a all of them, kill off the little guy, cause even more middle and lower class angst, and massive budget short falls, and then start yelling around how taxes need to go even HIGHER and even more benefits spending to be made.
>>69229602
And the EU is importing people by the thousands because of a dwindling population of unskilled workers.
Golly gee that certainly won't blow up in their face in 20 years where most jobs have been replaced by machines.
I feel bad for the skilled labor that was making $15 a hour already.
There is no way they will get a raise to put them back above minimum wage.
>>69229381
It's funny because it's already too hard to get a job in California I moved last week because of this
Reading this news just makes me feel even more glad I left
Even more illegals will be taking jobs now
Fuck California was there my whole life it never treated me well
>>69229936
Average wage of an EMT is like 12 bucks an hour. Soon they'll be making just as much as your typical burger jockey.
>>69229497
You just went full retard there
>>69229936
>tfw electrician apprentice making $15/hr
fugg
>>69229670
Assembly line displaced jobs but new industries making machines and goods were enabled. Now a large number of low skilled jobs are threatened and for every couple of guys who fix or build the robots, there will be hundreds displaced.
>>69229208
>$15 an hour
>13,4 €
You need to be a specialist to be able to pull that kind of salary here.
What does this mean burgers. Less jerbs for commies?
Yeah but this also gives people the opportunity to get jobs related to programming and it to maintain these things. Right?
>>69230054
I have a friend who owns a small local pizza joint in SD. Some of the best pizza I've ever had. He told me he's going to have to let go half his staff and do mornings by himself if he has to pay his employees 15 an hour. Feel sorry for the dude but if he decides to move his business I'd imagine he'd make a killing wherever he went. The pizza is just that good.
I'm not too well versed in the inner politics of all this, but let me say that the REASON for these kinds of arguments for higher min wage happening are good. It is unfeasible to have a low end job like that and live, and as much as you might be inclined to say well get a better job, they wont. And for all intents and purposes, they don't have to.
I'm curious how higher paying jobs will scale up. from every corner we have tensions rising due to a need for reform, now even the attempts at positive changes for wages will start to bring conflict over earnings. Don't disregard me as disillusioned, the entire world is rife with chaos. Has that always been the case though? Well, maybe, but not to this degree.
>>69229208
there's some jobs that just can't support paying employees $15 an hour
>>69229208
yaaay more homeless people
A £10 an hour minimum?! Damn California must have some high taxes
>>69230549
I work at a mom and pop pizza place and surely my store will close down. All the mom and pop stores will. The only places that will survive are the ones who can afford to only have like 1 employee running the store or the ones that can afford to jump straight to total automation.
Our food market is going to be dominated by restaurants that don't actually make food but instead just reheat frozen or partially baked stuff that will only require a few chefs to mass produce every other morning then have one chef essentially reheat the food as it's ordered instead of having a team of chefs every night.
Waitstaff will go completely automated. There's a Chili's down the street from me that has a little tablet on every table that has the entire menu on it. All it did when I was there last was calculate the bill but it wouldn't take much effort at all to put the menu on it and negate the need for a waiter at all, instead it would just be food runners who drop the food off at each table which would only require a handful of people for a big restaurant.
>>69229208
And thus, the beginning of the robot era began.
>>69230552
For now yes. But those are difficult jobs the average person cannot do. Even those jobs will soon become automated as teachnology advances forward exponentially to the AI era.
This is supposed to be mankind's striving goal. No one has to work, hunger is no longer an issue as cloning and genetically grown foods rule. Automation takes over and manages itself. No reason to work because resources are hardly an issue in this AI world. But to get there, a few generations must suffer as the shit s implemented. We happen to be that first generation so buckle up.
Only jobs safe in the next 50 years are.
Real estate
Programing
Medicine
Engineering
Child/senoir care
Drug dealing
That's basically it. Everything else will be slowly weeded out.
by 2022*
OP forgot to mention that.
it's not a bad thing. if a business can't cope they need a new business model. simple as that.
>>69231087
I've seen those little tablets at applebees you can pay to play games on them instead of socialize with your family and friends when you're out
fuck why did i have to be born right in time to witness the civil war of all humanity.
this is a good point about local stores too, surely there must be some kind of loophole...i mean, couldn't you guys raise the price of a pizza to compensate for people making more in the average worker class :^)
[spoiler]and then the cycle continues[/spoiler]
seriously what has anyone done to deserve 15$ an hour?
2006
>get license
>have job, min wage is like 6.25
>gas prices above 4
2016
>general manager
>employees are hired in at $9+
>soon to be $15+
>current gas prices in my city: 1.95
>This backfires miserably
>all the liberal fuckers move east
>possibly repopulate here in Oklahoma
>vote for the same dumbass liberal policies that ruined THEIR state
Fucking Califags die
>>69229381
Unless we reach a point where zero labor is required to maintain any aspect of society, there will always be money and people who have none. Increasing minimal wage just makes the latter group larger
>>69231473
its already happening here in austin, TX m8, feels bad man
>>69229208
2022 is when it will be 15$. They are scaling it slowly so it's better
>>69231418
if we can give 15$ an hour for work, we should.
>>69231564
Texas, let's start the Texoma Republic and secede and remove Califags, I'm starting to see a lot of them here in Oklahoma and I've only heard about how bad it's getting in Texas
Smart Cali fags will learn to buy shit from Amazon at non-Cali prices. This will work out wonderfully for those who get the increased income and keep their jobs.
>>69231473
this is exactly why our founding fathers only intended for property owners to vote, so they couldnt easily pack up and leave town every time the vote in some shitty policy.
>>69231722
THEY FUCKING STAY IN THEIR GODDAMN SHITHOLE OF A STATE
STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY STATE YOU FUCKING CALI FAGS
>>69229208
This plus obamacare means there will be very little jobs available and all of them will be part time.
>>69229208
Hasn't the minimum wage been stagnating for decades?
Shouldn't it be upped in order to keep it somewhat consistent with 1960s and 1970s levels?
>>69229208
>and replacing people with machines has already happened
I hate people who are against automation more then I hate Muslims.
You are literally against the advancement of technology and society because "muh jobs" etc... as if the purpose of jobs was to occupy peoples times and not to actually accomplish whatever the fucking job is.
Go fuck yourself.
>>69230592
I used to live in SD and I could never find decent pizza outside of this place called urbn in North Park.
Tell him to come to Houston.
Pizza sucks wang in this city and he can pay Mexicans pennies on the dollar to make his food.
Not even kidding.
>>69231662
>give
THERE YOU GO WITH THAT WORD AGAIN
They actually put this in the newest Mickey D's in Croatia. I just saw it the other day and I'm really curious to see how Croatian people will accept this service.
>>69231911
This so much. I hate it also when inefficient or obsolute businesses must be saved by the government because of muh jobs!
>>69231818
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/06/11/proof-that-raising-the-minimum-wage-will-increase-unemployment/#fbde1a73e5a5
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-05-27/finally-an-answer-to-the-old-minimum-wage-question
>>69231333
Customer acceptance and savings from the Ziosk tablets were so good in test areas, Olive Garden is now rolling them out nationwide. 5-6 servers per restaurant replaced by tablets and one server that picks up the food/drink orders.
>TFW Electrical Engineer with a background in IT
Please let this automation happen. My wages will only increase.
>>69231911
I work in the software industry, anon. I help enable the machines that displace people from jobs.
I'm just saying that increasing the minimum wage prematurely will just hasten the problem. Machines do a lot but we have to consider what effect that has on a large percentage of the population and how we will deal with it as a society.
>>69229208
>proposal
it's not gonna pass.... Your title is fucking leddit tier too . fuck off
>>69231911
Do you understand that half of the automation is outsourcing jobs to the 3rd world? You can't import chinese people but you can import robots made by them.
>>69229208
Oh cool my McDonald's also has these things!
>>69231333
>min wage goes up 5 bucks
>CIVIL WAR OF HUMANITY
>THE WORLD IS ENDING
this is how dumb you sound right now.
>>69232068
EITC is a great idea, yes. But it has to be coupled with increased taxation on the wealthy and corporations, something that is simple impossible on today's retarded political climate.
A higher minimum wage is better than nothing, at the very least.
Dindu-Robot War of 2018
>>69232462
I hear they let you put Big Mac sauce on anything, which a lot of people like. I more like the automated ordering shit for being able to easily review my order and make sure there are no mistakes.
>EMT makes 12 dollars an hour
>people who save lives are worth less than burger flippers
>my dad busts his ass 10 hours a day doing skilled labor and only makes 20 dollars an hour
>might as well get a burger flipping job because they pay difference isn't that much and the work is much less
Shit makes me mad as fuck.
T. Someone who got fired when walmart raises their wages.
>>69232194
You and I will be very wealthy men in a couple decades my friend. Feels good to make the right choices on life.
>>69232698
Unless you are the head of such a company, I highly doubt you'll break six figures. You should start a company and let underlings come to you and get the big bucks while they do all the hard work
Watch California, m8s. When their economy starts booming over the next 5 years because people actually have money to spend who did not have money to spend before, all your arguments will go out the window.
Watch and learn, friendos.
>>69232508
if you think im exclusively talking about this issue, youre the dumb fuck
>>69231087
>I work at a mom and pop pizza place and surely my store will close down. All the mom and pop stores will
lmao what a load of shit.
>>69229208
good, tons of idiots with no education will move there
but then again they like when that happens in Mexifornia
Guys, the article says this would come into full effect by 2023. If there is an average 2% inflation per year that mean the real wage is 15% lower.
>minimum wage increases cause more and more poor people to lose their jobs to machines
>everyone gets angrier and angrier as the streets and ghettos fill with more and more impoverished, unemployed people
>the minority of skilled individuals able to keep a job and their wealthy masters shrinks to a smaller and smaller number
Feels good knowing I will live to see America's Bastille Day, what a time to be alive
>>69232965
The big tech company bubble is goin to pop soon friendo, and then California will become a cultural wasteland, worse than it is now
>>69232657
Maybe my state pays more but as an EMT entry I got paid 18 dollar an hour, but tbqh it's really the paramedic that does everything on career units, EMT just drives, gets vitals, and assists when needed
>>69232928
I'm 26 making 70k a year already. If demand for my field goes up I'll easily break 6 figures in 2 decades. The real question will be how much will 6 figures be worth by then, compared to today.
But yeah, starting my own business is something I'd like to do in the near(ish) future.
>>69232508
You must be the dumbest fucking person in the US. Tell your government paid caregiver to take your laptop away and put the Entourage DVD back in. I know that people with brain damage don't know any better, put keep your retarded deranged opinions to yourself.
>>69232987
>if you dont understand my post it's not vague and incomprehensible
>clearly my complex argument is above you
>ur dumb lol
Just to let dumb shits like you know, all the people that are making 12 bucks now will also shoot up to 15 along with everyone else.
Fucking morons like you live off of panic attacks. Go outside, fat loser.
>>69230188>>69230188
I'm an emt in cali. My 8hr rate is 15.50, 12 hour is 11.23. Nothing will change for me, I'll just make the same as a guy working in mcdonalds.
>>69229208
I can't remember the last time I made my order with a real person in McDonald's. These machines are great.
Based minimum wage laws
>>69233247
I'm sorry you picked up a shit degree and are feeling burned that a burger flipper will soon make as much as you do right now.
All I can do is laugh at poorfags like yourself. Stay salty, someone has to do the manual labor, billy bob.
>while giving the governor the right to opt out if the economy falters
>if
Are these people retarded? There is literally no benefit to raising the minimum wage dramatically over a short period of time
>>69233161
Nah.
The Tech bubble is supported by the people in the shadows.
I don't see it collapsing anytime soon.
It plays an important role in certain... things.
>>69233383
Lol stop lying
>>69233078
You know the French Revolution paved the way for all the degeneracy unfolding now, right? To communism? To progressivism?
Murka Revo might as well kill this world for good.
>>69233463
>dramatically over a short period of time
You're the one who is retarded considering this increase, if it passes, will be done over the span of like 5-7 years.
>>69233515
No reason to lie.
>>69229497
>Transhumanism
>Capitalism dies
Except an AI would automatically adhere to the tenets of capitalism (hyper capitalism, not what we have today which isn't hasn't been capitalism for decades), since it's the most efficient way of handling an economy with limited resources.
Anarchism isn't a lasting state, and communism will never work (nor would an AI actually even attempt it, as it's horrifically inefficient in every single aspect).
Is everyone just spouting the same BS arguments for-and-against minimum wage hikes and not reading the article, because it says it'll only be 50 cents more a year until it hits $15?
>The deal would commit the state, home to one of the world’s biggest economies, to raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2022
Did Ted Cruz just admit to the #CruzSexScandal? Watch short clip right here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pOED4M-WEM
>>69233297
Wow you're stupid! it's too bad there's no bold option because I need to emphasize again that you are incredibly stupid.
this is about more tha the wage increase, looking at this issue alone you see automation, replacement, and of course the money issues
but moving outside of it you have all the impacts of liberal media which im sure youre aware of in all countries, the falseness and sheer uselessness of politics here and abroad, several collapsing countries with immigration and economic problems, a new internet trend regarding disagreement over established history
women everywhere being cunts as usual but not regulated, youve got cuckold tendencies in life and media, you've got a lack of critical thinking perpetuated by the media and also people's self regulating habits of consuming things that do not require them to think, you've got a kind of orwellian style of thought monitering going on in european countries, youve got....
do i need to go on? big picture you fuckhead, this is just another straw on the camel's back
why is an entire half+ of the population allowed to be wrong, and still have their voices not only heard, but made into law? democracy is a sham
goes right back to that old university experiment. you tell the students that whatever the highest grade in the class ends up being, is the grade everyone gets. in the end everyone fails because they all assume someone else will do the hard work for no extra reward
>>69233653
These poorly educated faggots don't read.
This is why they make a shit wage to begin with.
This is why they're salty little faggots who will occupy the shit jobs supporting our great state.
Every last one of you mad faggots in this thread, keep raging. As long as you're fired up, you'll be awake long enough to work for me, serfs.
Stay mad. If you only used that anger to educate yourselves instead of bitch like faggots you might be worth more.
>>69233670
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>>69233828
>post literally begins with UR STOOPID
discarded. poorfags aren't capable of rational discussions.
get back to work, pablo. that lawn isnt going to cut itself.
>>69233161
>Tech company bubble
Explain.
>>69231911
I am not against automation. I AM against government forcing business to desperately jump through hoops (like automation). If it comes about naturally, that's fine, though.
Lol hope Californians will enjoy their life under the bridge.
t. person in education unemployed because of a 8.50€ minimum wage
>>69232134
>Paying 40 bucks for food without even having a server.
I wouldn't go there, but I can see why people who just want to save on tips would.
Sheetz had these for ages, big fucking deal
>>69233043
lmao what an impressive response, golden gate bridge bitch boy
>>69233580
Anything over the rate of inflation is dramatic. There shouldn't even be a minimum wage the concept always leads to raising it to a higher amount than feasible
>>69229208
This is a plan to make poor Californians spread their diseases selves all over the country
>>69234238
he's right though, these claims that your business will sink isn't because of a higher min wage, it's because many mom and pops business are ran by complete fucking imbeciles.
![gardena_husqvarna_automower_gps[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BVuUmZO.jpg "gardena_husqvarna_automower_gps[1].jpg")
>>69233935
>that lawn isnt going to cut itself.
>>69233587
You need to move over to the east coast, I make $55k a year as a paramedic.
>>69234339
Why should it not be simple as fuck to run a business selling pizzas?
>>69234262
>There shouldn't even be a minimum wage
Oh, okay, so I can safely disregard everything you have to say from here on out. Thanks for clearing that up for me, Anon.
>>69231662
Why not $30 an hour?
>>69234517
Because lazy people. These morons who thinks the sky is falling don't understand that a simple business like making fucking pizza can be ran by ONE PERSON, ideally the fucking owner.
>>69234379
Yeah, but you can't scowl and insult a fucking lawnmower bot, can you?
Where's the sense of superiority when it's just you and a machine?
>>69233935
im calling you stupid as a priority because before i can even attempt to share anything deeper with you that needs to be addressed,
id insult you based on what i assume you are, age or status wise, but other than some lame ass punk 13 year old who found his way to /pol/ i've got nothing. you disregard everything i said in that post so easily? youre either a troll or a represenrtation of everything wrong with the world.
but no, just keep on carrying on, lletting the world around you burn
>Illegals will work for way less than $15 an hour
>Can't deport them cause it hurts feelings
Liberals are gonna get a wake up call. No more making fun of people saying "They're taking jobs"
>>69230592
Why doesn't your friend just invest in some automation of the workforce instead?
>>69234605
IF you are going to have tariff-free trade, then either all countries involved need to agree on a set minimum wage (as well as set ecological laws), or you have to get rid of all of those things. Otherwise China can drop labor below the minimum wage and trash its ecosystem in order to gain a monopoly for a few decades, at which point, everyone who knew how to make this shit is retired or dead, and China can hike up its prices to whatever they want.
Personally, I would rather just have a tariff, and let each country operate as it pleases.
>>69234693
>im calling you stupid because x
No one gives a fuck why you're an incompetent loser that can't make more than 15 an hour, ok cletus?
You shouldn't even be here. Go figure out how to be successful before you spend free time here bitching like a faggot.
The only people that deserve to be here in this discussion are those intelligent enough to not give a fuck about a pitiful 15 an hour.
>>69234709
They won't wake up, they will still blame republicans for all their woes as they are poor jobless and broke
>>69229602
This this this this.
We need to encourage our declining birth rates within reason and stop importing people because automation is going to hit fucking hard if our population is too large. Ignore the retards that think eternal growth is good.
>>69229208
>>69229381
I'm concerned about the cleanliness of those buttons for the order stations I hope they wipe those fuckers down.
>>69233442
Your children are literally doomed to become faggots. I bet your son fucks old dudes for Bernie bux to pay for his herned bum bern. While you wallow in the freedom gravy, suckin mothers teat of social justice, absorbing the cream of the Muslim influx too dull to acknowledge that your organs are being harvested and donated to a more deserving POC, that reparations will be made by extending their lives at your expense, a simple organ tax. Yes, you will allow it, you will even take pleasure in it.
>>69229497
Capitalism will die when the last of our species does. Technology's only enemy is communism. Communism kills innovation, but innovation chips away at the scarcity problem, without which Communism has no reason to exist.
>>69231317
>Real estate
already own property
>Programing
going to school for it now
Medicine
>wife is a nurse
Engineering
>part of my schooling
Child/senoir care
>wife
Drug dealing
>if i get desperate (with my land)
I'm good
>>69229208
RIP in peace, California.
Increase minimum wage
>people laid off
>small businesses close
>costs rise
>middle class narrows
Look at San fransisco, yes people get paid more but they pay 5,000 a month for an apartment or they have to buy a wooden 8 X 3 box and liveninbit for $500 a month
You can't just magically raise a wage.. All it does is ruin the middle class.
>NPR faggots say that a higher minimum wage will help workers who are making over $15 already as well as they will presumably get a raise
What's the point? If everyone's wage goes up won't the price of bread and milk go up too? Isn't that simple supply and demand?
Here's the kicker: unemployment benefits will probably stay the same (and thus be worth less to all the ppl who will be layed off)
>>69234676
>cooking pizzas
>taking orders
>making deliveries
>managing the business
>preparing ingredients
>doable by one person
Maybe if you sold one pizza every hour, maybe 2 if they weren't delivery, sure. But at that point you're not making any money anyway.
>>69234605
>not even attempting to explain why I'm wrong
>>69234662
$100 an hour is more reasonable, I don't think anyone should have to work more than part time.
>>69229208
In Alberta fast food cashiers typically make $17/hr to start because of the labour shortage. Big Mac is only 30c more expensive here too.
>>69235105
>implying moose dollars are worth anything
>>69235038
>thinks any of this is hard shit
Someone's never operated a food business before.
>it's you
>>69234339
no, it's because minimum wage rates allow big companies like Wal-Mart to shoulder out small businesses through economies of scale. The mean, nasty corporate monsters you leftist retards are so scared of love your populist policies because they do nothing but make it easier to concentrate industry power at the top.
>>69234676
>Business owners don't need employees lol if they were smart they'd do it themselves..
I'd be surprised but your little aside about class hierarchy/racism/whatever shit apropos of nothing speaks volumes
>>69235105
How many millions of illegal workers do you have?
Not trying to be snarky. Genuinely curious. US has a conservative estimate of about 10 million, or about 3 percent of the population.
>>69234854
ahhhh now i get it, youre a troll
definitely the case, dont know why i couldnt spot it earlier
well played you cheeky bastard
you're trying a bit too hard though, you almost had me! next time, dial it back a bt
>>69235311
>leftist
Nigger I'm as far right as they come. I'm just not some weak limp wristed faggot that took a shit degree and is burdened with debt I can't pay back.
Go feel sorry for yourself elsewhere. You make bad choices, deal with it. Enjoy your life of servitude because you were born incompetent.
>>69235278
Didn't say it was hard, but managing all that shit simultaneously would be stressful as hell and hardly worth it since it's not like pizza is a high profit business to start with.
Also taking pride in working in the food industry at any point in your life is laughable and you should feel as pathetic as everyone perceives you to be.
Understand that a minimum wage does not guarantee jobs. It guarantees only that those who get jobs will be paid at least that minimum.
And that leads to two bad outcomes: unemployment and higher prices.
You best explain this by asking a simple question: What is a wage? A wage is the price of labor. Now, what happens if the price of labor rises, not because workers have become more productive, not because a business must pay higher wages to hold on to valuable employees, but only because the government requires it?
When the minimum wage rises, employers will adjust. They will use less labor.
They'll fire current employees or cut back on their hours.
They will also raise prices for their goods or services. These are undesirable consequences. But let's also consider another bad effect Businesses will hire fewer workers, especially those with little or no job experience.
Raising the minimum wage makes it harder for young and inexperienced workers to get jobs, to get on that crucial first rung of the employment ladder. And many of those who do benefit from a wage increase will likely find those benefits undone. They will work fewer hours, will work harder per hour, and will get less training
>>69235038
These are not terribly difficult tasks. Taking orders can be given to offshore labor overseas (or largely pushed to internet/mobile app). Managing the business is going to be one job, and then one full time employee to make sure the machines keep running.
>>69234973
>what's the point
It's an illusion that people will actually take home more money. The truth is that 15/hr puts anyone working more than 23hrs into the min tax bracket, which I expect is even higher% in California. People will really take home about $7-8 an hour depending on how they file. Cal state gov needs gib me dats too.
>>69229734
They will hire more part time help and give them just enough hours so they don't have to pay benefits. Order takers will be replaced with computers. Honestly, order accuracy will be improved.
>>69235336
>speaks volumes
You seem afraid of the truth. Don't like being called out for an entitled asshole, when in reality you're just a lazy nigger that wants cheap labor so you can NOT work hard?
Fucking cretin. Anyone that can't do it themselves FOR FREE and then cry that their business is being sunk by a mandatory 15 an hour should just kill themselves.
You're too weak to make it in this world.
R.I.P
moving to cali. Beautiful state, does everything it can to help Millennials from the sloth of Boomers, and weed.
What good does it do a black youth to know that an employer must pay him a minimum wage if the fact that he must be paid that wage keeps him from getting a job?
>>69229208
go short on restaurants in california
?????
profit
>>69231779
nobody wants to go to your state you silly faggot.
>increase wage to 15$
>Bernie enables his tax plans
>go back to effectively making 7$ an hour anyway
goddamn liberals are fucking stupid
>>69235440
>Poor grammar, incorrect spelling and verb tense usage
Sounds like you are deeply uneducated
>>69235507
>I should feel bad for owning multiple food chains
Must suck to be some dumb kid that believes everyone is out to get him.
When you grow up, if you haven't killed yourself yet, you'll realize NOTHING is hard if you're willing to work hard.
Stop being a nigger.
>>69235805
I'm glad someone else realizes it's all a ruse
>>69235105
>17$ an hour
so like 5$?
>>69235820
>he thinks his arts degree will make him wealthy
>>69229381
Resource Based Economy.
b-b-b-but guys.
Thinks about the Baby Boomers!!!
>>69236003
it's so fucking dumb man
there was this one site, that tells you how much you either save or pay under their tax plans
>bernies
>make 20k (practically nothing)
>Bernie want's an additional 2k ontop of the current taxes
>Trump will save you 2k due to no income tax on those with less than 25k
>>69229381
>>69229381
Say good bye to millions of STEM jobs than. Those will be one of the first that will get full Automation.
>>69235879
You run multiple pizza shops by yourself? Pretty impressive to do that with no employees, anon.
I also probably make more than you a year for a fraction of the stress involved because I decided to get a degree that's worth something.
For real though, good on you for running a successful business, if there's any truth to that. Not many people can pull that off.
>>69232397
Um yeah we import a fuck ton of chinks here
>>69236198
I'd like to see your reasoning.
>>69235105
>$17 an hour
That's probably why everything is so expensive in Canada and y'all all drive to Montana to buy your staples
>>69236355
>have easy as shit STEM job where 95% of work is done by a computer or robot
>think that you aren't expandable
STEM other than medicine is the most braindead degree currently. I've seen the most retarded people on earth be able to do Lab work. The worse part is you don't even gain no people skills, so once it becomes automated, you won't even be able to do shit in an actual job dealing with people.
>>69235507
Well the pizza maker could make 2 pizzas an hour and sell them for $200 a piece and then he can pay for his costs and pocket a little money to pay for his cuckshed.
>>69236200
>making money is stressful
And that's why you're not a millionaire, dumb.
Whatever shit field you went into doesn't pay you enough for ANY of the stress you put with when you're not even your own boss.
Enjoy reporting to your slavemaster, cuck. If you really wanted to be successful, you have to cut the cord and be your own leader.
But who am I kidding? If you were capable of that you wouldn't be having this conversation.
Also it's 2016, if you didn't go to college for Business than congratulations You just wasted a shit load of daddies money and got a worthless degree.
>>69236039
I'm doing medical research you dumb nigger, increased minimum wage means I have to pay undergrad lab assistance more money, cutting into grants and holding up research. So when you die of cancer and the cure was a week late, it's because funding got all fucked because you mongrels wanted more gibs for burger flipping and gas pumping
>>69229936
in 2010 i made 30k as a ucla grad. thats basically 15/hr
>>69236188
Most Bernie voters have never paid taxes, same with the people at min wage. They never made it into a bracket
>>69236824
>he thinks he's going to magically cure cancer
You should have went into comedy, dumb.
>bring in a ton of spics
>automate all the jobs
The market is ALWAYS faster than legislation.
Businesses are packing up their shit to leave as we speak.
Liberals have basically turned California into a desert and now they're going to cause a MASSIVE Exodus into other States. Mainly Cascadia, Colorado and Texas.
>>69229936
But you didn't feel bad for people working Retail or Fast food jobs who have 10x harder the work than them yet got the least pay?
You are a pathetic hypocrite. TayTay does not approve.
>>69236710
Are you implying you're a millionaire? Look kid I know it's easy to lie on an anonymous Chinese ping-pong enthusiasts forum but at least make it believable. Acting as hostile as you are over someone insulting you just leads me to believe you're just an average wagecuck with delusions of grandure.
>>69236620
Are you black?
>>69236973
>mass exodus to shit states
As much as I hate this state, no one is leaving. I have business contacts across the midwest. Every single person hates where they live and every time they visit CA they want to stay.
Says a lot about how much interest there is in moving when Texans are telling me how fucking dead their state is.
>>69236911
I had to pay taxes for my summer job, granted I got a tax return so it didn't matter, but the fucking fact is if I added another zero onto the amount I made I would be getting my ass taxed. I don't want to lose more in taxes, losing 300$ of my 1400$ from summer is bad enough, I don't need to lose an extra 170$ just so some fat cunt can get a free gender studies degree.
>>69235105
>$17 Canadian dollars
That's like $2 in American dollars
>>69237038
Try not to project too hard, poorfag. Not everyone here has as terrible a life as you lead.
>>69236945
Not even in cancer but the effect is universal. I'm researching how the nig brain processes gibs and the aggressive response that follows. Grant money will go to labor, and students won't get hired without experience.
>>69236620
Until those computers can program themselves and self replicate STEM isn't going anywherw. Sure, some of the less skilled positions could be replaced eventually but nowhere near 95%. Your lack of insight into the industry just leads me to think you're young, naive, or (likely) both.
Why is California so awesome?
It's almost like they aren't American.
>>69237278
10/10 bait. Got me to respond more than once.
>>69235513
You can repeat right-wing talking points all you want, fuckhead, nobody is impressed.
>>69237318
Someone's going to have to write that grant request. Maybe you should hire one of the dumbfucks in here who shitpost all day because they have a worthless arts degree.
>>69237156
Toyota is moving a plant in Torrence to Texas. 3000 jobs
>>69236994
Skilled labor went through the trouble to develop that skill. Burger flipping and retail are menial jobs.
>>69231317
Medicine certainly isn't safe, there's already serious work being done with robotic surgeons. And once databases with genetic profiles are linked to an method of automatically analyzing blood samples it'll be possible to automate virtually all of pharmacicists.
Japan already is starting to use caregiver robots so those aren't safe either.
I'm actually a technophile, but if all this automation is ultimately aimed at freeing up people so they never need to work then it's headed for total collapse. Either humanity will he destroyed terminator style or people will mass revolt as billions of through existence with absolutely no purpose. They'd be a zero sum, knowing every moment of their lives that they could die and it wouldn't matter, it'd be like they never existed
>>69237465
Could you please clarify what kind of degree/field you work in that is so lucrative?
>>69229208
California is going to become our Scotland. Jesus Christ.
>>69237426
>right-wing talking points.
Nigga can't into basic economics.
>>69234939
They'd probably opt for a hand sanitizer dispenser just off to the side for you to use if you like, and maybe a quick wipe down of the devices during closing/night cleanup.
You liberal faggots ready to only ship at big chain stores? Otherwise soda will be 5 bucks in Bodegas and a small bag of chips will be 3 bucks
>>69229208
Today - Job riots continue in California as businesses continue to close down, all this following a Department of Labor report that the state's unemployment rate has now topped 30%. We'll hear from economists and the Secretary of Labor on proposals to fix California's problems. Sectarian violence continues in Europe, as another string of bombings and migrant riots hits Germany over the weekend. In Korea - reconstruction and reunification efforts continue as troop withdrawals continue. But first, for our top story we turn to DC where today President Trump meets with British, French, Chinese, and Russian leaders for the signing of the Allied Northern Nations treaty - reestablishing a formal diplomatic and military alliance between the world powers for the first time since World War II. It's March, 29, 2021 - and this is Morning Joe.
>>69229936
I make $16 an hour and I'm fucked beyond belief. I cannot continue my current life style if the dollar weakens yet again. I'm going to have to cut something loose to keep myself afloat.
I already live like a poor man. I have to actively make an effort to save money and cut corners already if I want to have a nice weekend, or if someone has a birthday party.
>>69237585
Robotic surgeons are tools, not pilots. Someone had to operate them. Surgeons make a ton of decisions during surgery. There are a ton of things that could go wrong and countless anatomical variation a that could be encountered. You can't just plug someone into a surgery robot.
>>69234793
I would imagine investing in automation of a pizzeria would be very expensive atm. Probably too large of a risk to take.
>>69230188
it's 22$/h on call, $2/h off call for primary care paramedics up here. If you really want to make the big bucks become an industrial paramedic though.
>>69235278
Manager at a pizza shop here, in a small travel plaza with two other stores. Confirmed for easiest shit ever. I make $17 dollars and hour babysitting high school kids and counting inventory. The most brain dead niggers can do it.
Fantastic, now all the useful idiots that like to think they are changing the world by protesting big corporations can be directly responsible for the death of every business except for the giant corporations. In CA no less where small business already fail at staggering rates, there is probably no way this can backfire and kill what little jobs remain in this shithole. Thankfully as the rains didn't come this year... again, when there are no jobs or water I can live out my post apocalypse Mad Max fantasies.
>>69234676
>Yeah, but you can't scowl and insult a fucking lawnmower bot, can you?
Sure you can... and best of all the lawnmower bot can't quit to find a better job or fuck your wife behind your back.
>>69238152
Not really. Its already been done.
Automation would come one way or another, using it as an excuse for slave wages is retarded simply because a human literally cannot compete with a one time investment, pennies per hour labor competition.
Such a big raise is silly and there are far bigger issues your government should tackle to help those who have to survive off low income, but i hate when you fucking mongoloids say "WELP IT LOOKS LIKE THEYLL JUST AUTOMATE!" as if they wouldn't regardless of pay increases.
>>69236994
How the fuck is flipping burgers and punching numbers into a cash register (do they even do that anymore? I think they just use pictures for dumbasses) harder than doing something like fixing holes in the walls or computer tech support? Y'know, shit that you need to actually know a unique skill set for?
>>69237840
Is such a huge part of the employees affected by it is likely that it will carry over into a systemic increase in costs?
>>69237891
>>69237585
Robot surgery is tools as mentioned. And the results from it is not spectacular(despite enormous hype), but the costs are off the fucking charts. A country like Poland will rely on regular surgery for decades to come.
I'd love to see a strong push in automation but it's not really in the interest of someone. My first few jobs I was constantly amazed by the staggering inefficiency of everything and spent a lot of time thinking about how to optimize it. But if you ask someone they will go
>"oh sure that sounds like it could work, but we're doing it like this for now"
And now, a few years later I don't give a shit either, I might see something stupid and inefficient as shit but whatever, I get paid for status quo grinding and not anything else, I'm not a manager, just let the day be over and I go home and get drunk.
>>69239027
>computer tech support?
Just use a flowchart.
>fixing holes in the walls
Just spread hole fix solution over it, sandpaper and paint it.
>>69237685
>Basic economics
Nobody who actually knows economics actually says this. Piss off, poser.
>>69239027
>be me
>physics grad student
>putting in 40-50 hours a week between teaching and research
>get $20K a year
>sucks but I manage to live a spartan lifestyle and make ends meet
>tfw a full-time burger flipper in LA will be making $30K a year
>>69240030
>$30k a year
15 an hour for 40 hours is 28,000 before taxes, you dishonest fuck.
>>69232965
>because people actually have money to spend who did not have money to spend before
retard
Yay!now mcjob fags can drive themselves to make burgers.
>>69240369
These shits dont consider that now theyll have to pay a health insurance premium too.
>>69229208
it will be racist. your not gona pay snoody niggers 15$ an hour so diversity falls. left at work
>>69240369
$15/hr X 40hr/week X 52week/yr is $31,200.
>>69237840
>cant continue my current lifestyle
All those hookers aint cheap
>>69233074
That's fantastic, and scaling for general inflation means that California's $10 min wage would need to be $11.50 7 years from now.
All they are doing is forcing further inflation, in exchange getting 6 months of the poor people buying more things they don't need.
>>69229208
Let me explain the results.
>unemployment
>increase in aggregate demand
>price level increase
>wages must increase for everyone else
>min wage fags still poor, many more unemployed
Fucking hell. I work as a janitor in a department with about 90+ other employees. We're going to get fucked in the ass, aren't we?
>>69242566
Yes.
>>69229208
Get ready to see automated burger assembly lines.
Maybe the Bernie voters can finally fuck off.
>>69233043
It's true, you shit. A medium cheese pizza went up 10% to $17 when we changed minimum from $9 to $10, if we had to do the same to get to $15 that's $25 for a fucking cheese pizza and well over $30 for 2+ toppings.
I'm a manager so I get to see things like how much we pay in labor, on slow days it's 30-32% of our total net sales, and on Friday (busiest day) it drops down to about 22-25%. And that's being somewhat critically staffed too. Having less employees just means everyone has to be there longer to do closing duties, having too many there is never a problem because we can just send people home.
Every year the owner of my store tosses around the idea of not renewing the lease and having to increase the cost of labor by 50% will probably be the last straw to break the camel's back. It will be unsustainable for a lot of mom and pop places, they'll have to force that 50% onto the customers which will simply put them out of business.
>>69231473
In Tulsa, work in Oil Refinery, already libfags cry about how we are killing the earth, ITS THE ONLY DECENT JOB IN OKLAHOMA, if we get rid of oil then Oklahoma will be the poorest state in the union.
I`m 21 y/o I have no girlfriend or wife, But I do have a degree in petrol eng. i didnt go to a big fucking state Uni. I went to community collage. i work 6 days a week 16-18 hours a day get paid 35$ an hour 6 more months i`ll be making 47$ an hour, I`m white I`m straight I`m Irish Catholic, And yet every fucking day I have to drive through the ghetto to get to work and the niggers and niggetts cry and bitch and scream at me because I`m white and I`m getting paid. this post really has no point just ranting i suppose, I just pray to god a libfag tries to break into the plant so we can beat him/her to death...
>>69236332
Your chinks are corrupt Chinese officials seeking safe heaven from possible prosecution and for the money they stole. They are very special sort of workforce.
