What is the evidence that the Holocaust happened?
The moon landing conspiracy theories are interesting, but once you shoot a laser at the retroflector being put on the moon, or look at the hundreds of kilograms of moon stone they brought back, or consider that the Soviets would've been able to disprove the moon landings, these theories fail.
What is the undeniable evidence that the Holocaust happened?
>>69221340
>but once you shoot a laser at the retroflector being put on the moon
could have been done with an unmanned craft
>or look at the hundreds of kilograms of moon stone they brought back
are you an expert in moon rocks, what if they're just normal rocks
>>69221497
Unmanned crafts constantly waiting for people to fire lasers? Gas yourself retard
OP, are you that same rambling Swiss Jew just baiting, or do you genuinely want an explanation from someone who has studied this autistically?
>>69221340
most moon landing deniers do not deny that rockets exist, they believe landing craft went to the moon just not people because of the vanallen radiation belt. moon stone falls to earth all the time and is not only found on the moon actually, there is one in the muslim kabaah too and muslims certainly didnt have spacecraft. the soviets could have blown the whistle sure but america has lots of dirt on the soviets too, would not be prudent to start opening that can of worms
Firstly, in any discussion on the "holocaust," we need to define terms. Define what you mean by "holocaust." What are you referring to (specifically)?
>>69221584
>Unmanned crafts constantly waiting for people to fire lasers?
>American reading comprehension
As for the moon landing, not a hoax. We have the Nixon tapes where he talks about the letter they're preparing in case they don't come back.
these are same tapes where he uses word "kike" 100x and talks about "negroes living like dogs." Nixon tapes are real. If the moon landing was a "hoax," it was kept from Nixon, which I find hard to believe.
>>69221666
The official version is, Nazis not only put jews in labor camps, but had the goal of exterminating them. Death count is about 6 million.
What is the evidence for this claim?
>>69221777
i love nixon tapes, also nice trips
>>69221340
>What is the evidence that the Holocaust happened?
Lots of evidence, too much people talking about it. The numbers are shit though, no 6 quadrillions, probably something like 1 millions. The real conspiracy is asking if it was intended in order to push some agenda or not. .
>The moon landing conspiracy theories are interesting
They are shit. If we've never been to the moon, everything is fake. I don't believe either they would put up such a hoax only to show they have a bigger penis than USSR.
There's literally hours of footage/photos of US/Soviet forces liberating camps. Do really think the US military put on a fucking show for the cameras all over Germany and Poland? Organizing his hoax would be the largest scale fabrication in history. Occam's razor. Death camps weren't invented by the Nazis, they just scaled it up. Why is it so hard to believe the Nazis had a bunch of death camps?
>>69222138
oh and did they see lots of gas chambers? 6 million jews in mass graves? orders from hitler saying to kill 6 gorrbillion kikes right away? or did they see starved pows and shoes?
>>69222138
>internment camps = death camps
no. we had them too, packed 'em full of japs, because nobody knew wtf was going on.
internment camps are a standard war implement. if you don't have one, you aren't involved in a war.
there's no forensic evidence of any "holocaust"(translated: "burnt offering", a religious term), only eyewitness testimony, and eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable, which is why modern criminal justice relies so heavily on dna evidence.
>>69221340
The artwork... And by that I mean the paintings that were stolen by the nazis... If you look at the amount of paintings stolen from private owners and given to nazis, and how much of it isn't reclaimed, you should realise that something must've happened to those people... You're not going to buy a Rembrandt and never ask for it back if you're still alive...
>>69222138
gas execution is not something that existed one time only, in a mythical nazi land where they are so efficient that all forensic evidence they made to disappear, but so inefficient that 3 million + juice "escaped" the holocaust.
what homocidal gas chambers look like is uniform standard, and difficult to just make vanish, especially when the german military was under extreme pressure at the end of the conflict and fighting for their lives. there would be lots of tell tale evidence. the machinery in pic related alone would be insufficient to kill all the juice, yet suddenly getting rid of it without a trace would be a monumental task
>>69222540
yeah something happened alright
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
>>69222443
So are you suggesting that all the non-combatant citizen that were rounded up and were no longer alive at the end of the war weren't exterminated? Like it was just a coincidence and they all fell off a cliff on the way home after being liberated? A lot of the estimates simply come from documented people who were just simply missing/no longer alive after having been rounded up during the war. Obviously the SS didn't document executions, but there's just too many people missing. They were exterminated. You can't just hand wave away "witness testimony" when the witnesses cover everything from ss guards, thousands and thousands of survivors of extermination camps where family and friends died. You can't just fabricate something on that SCALE.
>>69222138
You speak the truth. Then ad in all the physical evidence, the testimony in court over the last 70 years and the words of the soldiers that liberated those camps.
>>69221818
>he official version is, Nazis not only put jews in labor camps, but had the goal of exterminating them. Death count is about 6 million.
>What is the evidence for this claim?
OK, I'm an autist on this topic, actually studied at Graduate level, so I can tell you the reality.
Firstly, Jews did indeed die in WW 2. In the concentration camps, 99.9% of time it was from typhus and lack of food bc near the end of war, there was no food, no supplies, bc entire infrastructure of Greater Germany had been destroyed.
- Zklon-B was used to delouse clothing to prevent outbreaks of typhus-- not a single Jews was ever gassed. You'd get a few Jews executed now and then for incitement ir whatever. As you know from movie "Imitation games," the Brits knew everything that was happening at the camps bc they had broken the code, where each days the commandant of Auschwitz would send out a message as to how many came in, how many left for other places, how many died
- The eastern front is a different story. There were mass shootings of Jews, esp in Ukraine, simply Jews were fanatical communist partisans. Also, you had many, many instances of the local populace turning on the Jews and hanging them/shooting them as payback for what they had done while they were under Soviet control
- Numerous Jews also died in allied bombing. At end of the war, you still had Jews in Verlin getting their food ration cards and who used to have a rabbi come in from Prague to do religious ceremonies (bc their synagogues had been blown up in bombing raids).
-Total Jewish Deaths from all causes? Somewhere around 400k. We know exactly how many Jews died in Auschwitz bc Soviets released death certificates after USSR fell.
IF you want, can get much more detailed and give sources.
>>69222540
There are literally hundreds of cases every year. They go to court.
>>69223047
this exactly
Here we see that the Jews themselves revised the number down by over 3.5 million, yet the overall number still stands at "6 million" and you go to jail in Europe for pointing this out?
How does this work? Talmudic math!
>>69222794
Allied bombing of german supply lines led to starvation in the camps, and increased susceptibility to typhus, which led to deaths in the 100,000s range.
critical to remember that the so-called death camps were all located in the territory that the soviet union took over, so no allied investigation was ever made at many of these places, we just had to rely on Stalin's word, and the word of his Jew henchmen in NKVD/KGB that this is what happened.
also worth considering that jews were directly responsible for the the first two significant genocides in the 20th century, Armenian genocide and Holodomor. this is motive for the russian communist jews, who controlled the soviet union's military intelligence apparatus, to fake a genocide against themselves, so that they have a way to deflect their own misdeeds.
these stories are nothing new. the jews have been telling them for thousands of years. think of story about shadrach, meshach, and abednago in old testament, where the ebil Nebuchadnezzar threw them into an oven, but G-d preserved them. A practiced lie, or at least something that no one can prove, a behavior that they repeated on a grander scale when it suited their purposes.
*revison was 2.5 million, not 3.5.
They had to do this after Zundel embarrassed them into it with his Holocaust trial in Canada.
A few years back, Zundel was illegally kidnapped from his home in TN with his American wife and flown back to Germany to face trial. Entire thing was illegal.
Ended up being a big thing where his lawyer (amazing woman named Sylvia Stoltz) also went to jail.
Look up Ernst Zundel on YT for some amazing stuff. If you are in Yurop, will need a VPN bc I think they've blocked most of his stuff.
I don't know about numbers and whether 6 million is legit or overestimated, but holocaust happened. My great grandfather was taken down in Auschwitz and his wife got a letter telling her to pay the bills for gas and cremation of the body.
Kinda sucks she didn't keep it, I could sell it for a pretty good money today.
For anyone truly interested in this, the best sites for resource are solargeneral.com and ihr.org (institute for historical review).
IF you are willing to put in the time, watch a series of documentaries called "One Third of The Holocaust," which is amazing.
This is not atopic on which there is a "redpill" where you learn the truth in one post. It's complex, bc Jews have spent decades shaping the (false) narrative.
IF you are really interested, I can give you all the sources you want.. Not insane, Aelx Jones type shit, I mean actual respected historians like David Irving or Dr. Faurisson, both of whom have done jail time for "denying the holocaust."
-"THE TRUTH DOES NOT FEAR INVESTIGATION."
>>69223531
>don't know about numbers and whether 6 million is legit or overestimated, but holocaust happened. My great grandfather was taken down in Auschwitz and his wife got a letter telling her to pay the bills for gas and cremation of the body
No one rational has ever claimed Jews did not die in WW 2. The problem is that Jewish Organizations seek to use THE HOLOCAUSt (TM) to make money and as a diplomatic tool for Israel to beat others over the head and demand "reparations."
Read the book "The Holocaust Industry" by the leftist Jew Norman Finkelstein for some real dirt on this issue. Think you can find on solar general.
>>69223047
I'd like your sources
>>69223877
more importantly its the basis for the moral cloak called "human rights" the usa uses to hide the base self interest in its violent aggressive actions. its important to recognize there is no evil jewish conspiracy just geopolitics as usual even if jews do like to make money from it
>>69224537
>'d like your sources
OK, have to be specific, bc I have a ton. For which things specifically?
For the numbers, for Auschwitz, etc..? I have literally hundreds of different books and articles. Have to narrow it down for me.
What in particular do you want a source for?
>>69221497
Or petrified wood even.
Show me evidence that WW2 happened.
>>69224859
>more importantly its the basis for the moral cloak called "human rights" the usa uses to hide the base self interest in its violent aggressive actions. its important to recognize there is no evil jewish conspiracy just geopolitics as usual even if jews do like to make money from it
I completely disagree with you. Support for Israel costs the US tremendously not only financially (having to pay billions and billions to not only Israel, but also to Egypt to make sure they enforce the Gaza blockade).
Also, highly recommend the book "The Osama Bin Laden I knew" edited by Peter Bergen, which is a collection of writings from Bin Laden and interviews with people who knew him.
His primary motivation for attacking the US was support for Israel, and he says this over and over. So not only did Israel cause 9/11, but they also had prior information (there were Mossad ops living on same street as Mohammed Atta) and never alerted the FBI or US gvt.
Here is the Fox report that was pulled after Jews went crazy and contacted murdoch from a few months after 9/11 where an FBI agent is quoted as affirming that Israel knew 9/11 was coming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbkQddEDPs0
>>69225364
>Show me evidence that WW2 happened.
Shlomo, really a weak argument technique, trying to cover up for your own tribe using a fake "tragedy" as the basis for founding of Israel and to keep behaving as dishonest savages and STILL use "muh holocaust" as your excuse.
Ded
>>69221340
>The moon landing conspiracy theories are interesting, but once you shoot a laser at the retroflector being put on the moon,
russia also has some of those reflectors on the moon, did they go there too?
>or look at the hundreds of kilograms of moon stone they brought back
lel falling for the moon rock jew
>>69224537
>I'd like your sources
I'm waitng for you. I have hundreds of bookmarks organized on this subject. Give me a specific aspect you'd like sources on...numbers, the lack of gas chambers, whatever. I have all ofit, and actually know most of it from memory.
As far as debunking the "Gas Chambers," see the work of Fred Leutchner and Germar Rudolph. Will happily link you to "The Leutchner Report," which was used in the Zundel Trial in Canada.
Tell me what aspect you'd like sources on.
>>69221340
This is the evidence.
>>69225516
just because it had negative consequences half a century later doesnt mean it wasnt the plan. i believe america is heading for a shift away from the religious veneration of human rights and towards something different because of the fall of the soviets who shared in perpetuating the myth, the new geopolitical role of germany which requires some degree of national unity and strength, and as you said all the trouble israel has caused but you cant honestly beleive that jews are so clever and powerful they could trick both the soviets and americans into believing and the perpetuating this bullshit when the much more likely option is its just another iteration of what happens in every single war, demonization of the enemy, for example ww1 germans supposedly cooking children in ovens to make ammunition or sadaam hussein throwing babies on the floor, or kim jong un assassinating random people with an anti aircraft gun
>>69225171
Let's start with the biggest claim, that only 400,000 died per the Soviets.
>>69225634
I'm waiting.
>>69223047
Impressive. Can you please list all your sources.
>>69226002
>Let's start with the biggest claim, that only 400,000 died per the Soviets.
Ok, let's begin with the Soviet death certificates:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p265_Weber.html
>>69226079
>mpressive. Can you please list all your sources.
Link to the PDF of the Leutchner Report:
http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/16-tlr.pdf
>>69226550
>http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p265_Weber.html
Looks like a legit organization
"the Institute for Historical Review (IHR) is a pseudo-academic organization that claims to seek "truth and accuracy in history," but whose real purpose is to promote Holocaust denial and defend Nazism."
"The IHR is not regarded as conducting serious historical research by mainstream historians and academics but rather as conducting pseudo-science aimed at proving that the Holocaust did not happen. The editorial board of one of the leading historical journals, the Journal of American History, wrote, "We all abhor, on both moral and scholarly grounds, the substantive arguments of the Institute for Historical Review. We reject their claims to be taken seriously as historians." "
Thanks for providing sources and being so brave.
>>69226664
Nice typography throughout with pleasant quotations about the author at the start. Also looks deeply legit.
Info on Brit radio intercepts after "Enigma" detailing that they knew exactly what was occurring in the concentration camps, and that there was no "mass execution"
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/PoliceDecodes.html
>>69226710
>"The IHR is not regarded as conducting serious historical research by mainstream historians and academics but rather as conducting pseudo-science aimed at proving that the Holocaust did not happen. The editorial board of one of the leading historical journals, the Journal of American History, wrote, "We all abhor, on both moral and scholarly grounds, the substantive arguments of the Institute for Historical Review. We reject their claims to be taken seriously as historians." "
LMAO, gee, we all know the SPLC and ADL have been proven to be so honest...if the SPLc and their camps followers say something is false, it must be false, huh asshole?
Look at the credentials of the people involved in this. Why on earth would someone participate in this, knowing it would destroy their career unless they felt an obligation to tell the truth?
THE IHR most often publishes exact documents recovered, simply transcribes and post.
The Jewish pressure groups howl and scream bc they are afraid it would cost the guilt money they scam out of the US, Germans, etc?
Lmao, a kike shill is trying to ironically call others "brave" for having the balls to do this, when many have gone to jail in Europe, lost entire careers here, simply for publishing their academic findings?
They are a lot braver than you, hymie.
>>69227181
>we all know the SPLC and ADL
Holy fuck...
>asshole
!
And I don't have a hymen, so please don't call me hymie, little Heinrich.
Who really promoted technique of "the big lie" and who warned against it? From Mein Kampf:
"It required the whole bottomless falsehood of the Jews and their Marxist fighting organization to lay the blame for the collapse on that very man who alone, with superhuman energy and will power, tried to prevent the catastrophe he foresaw and save the nation from its time of deepest humiliation and disgrace. By branding Ludendorff as guilty for the loss of the World War, they took the weapon of moral right from the one dangerous accuser who could have risen against the traitors to the fatherland. In this they proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, sine the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others; yes, even when enlightened on a subject, they will long doubt and waver, and continue to accept at least one of these causes as true. Therefore, something even the most insolent lie will always remain and stick — a fact which all the great lie-virtuosi and liar' clubs in this world know only too well and also make the most treacherous use of."
>>69227329
>>we all know the SPLC and ADL
>Holy fuck...
"Defamation," the movie (by an Israeli Jew) exposing the ADL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_xGBU0ljUY
>>69227356
Please continue.
"Goy, you are all wearing tin foil hats, how dare you pick on the poor, innocent jews?"
inb4 photo dump
Nazi imperialist russians wanted to exterminate 6 gorrillion judovsky
There is some amazing FACTS in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFNDZlf0qXI
Can we just be clear on something? If you're a holocaust denier, you are a worthless human being. There are only a few steps lower than where you are in terms of intelligence. You're the worst type of person in existence because people that value their superstitions and biases over objectivity are garbage and responsible for just about every ill in human history. I honestly can't even imagine being so stupid that I would skip over the opinions and assessments of just about every qualified person in existence and go straight to a quarantine board full of NEET neckbeard retards for my history lessons. Because this board has clearly demonstrated that its user base would give you an impartial assessment of a historical event that contained Jews, right? This is the part where your ineffectual brain resorts to your conditioned defense mechanism and you instantly think of the phrase JIDF like Pavlov's fucking dog.
>>69227478
>Please continue
Jewboy, apparently you've not been here long. Regular people here are quite familiar with your Modus Operandi.
The jig is up or very close to it, shlomo.
>Give me sources
>Ok, here you go, direct copies of the actual documents
?I don't agree with your source and the SPLC and ADL days they are bad people! Therefore, the ADL and SPLC-- who clearly have such pure, patriotic motives and are so respected-- must be correct. They were exposed, kike. Foxman had to resign after movie "Defamation" came out.
They know, Hymie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B-X7ox8LBg
Holocaust survivor saying he saw no gas chambers.
Document from Nuremberg trial mentioning the need of lowering the death rate in the camps.
Each and every country in Europe wanted to exterminate its 6 gasillion joos on different ocasions.
>>69228100
>an we just be clear on something? If you're a holocaust denier,
Lmao, this is the prolbem, Peru, and you have no idea what's going on bc you live in bumfuck, ass end of the world.
There is no such thing as a"holocaust denier." We just want to know how many bodies. How did they die?
It's been proven there was no "assembly line gas chambers" as the Jews claim. Did Jews die in WW 2? Sure, if they want to all that a holocaust, fine with me.
As the Jew Finkelstein says (highly recommend his book "The Holocaust Industry") it becomes: "This happened to us, therefore we have special privileges and we aren't allowed to be criticized."
>>69228186
I know Chaim- "It was real in my mind."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30sWIOMIak
>>69228234
>>69228380
How mad does this make you?
Three key perpetrators gave evidence directly related to the Holocaust: Hermann Göring, the highest official of the Nazi state tried at Nuremberg, testified openly and frankly about the persecution of German Jews from the rise of the Nazi party to power in 1933 until the outbreak of war in 1939; Otto Ohlendorf testified directly about his unit, Einsatzgruppe D, killing 90,000 Jews in the southern Ukraine in 1941; and the commandant of Auschwitz, Rudolf Hoess, testified frankly about the gassing of more than a million Jews at the Auschwitz-Birkenau killing center during the war. All three claimed that they carried out the legitimate orders of the state.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007271
Just saying ..
>>69228536
nuremburg trials are not valid evidence, they were a victors court and anyone with integrity accepts that
>>69228521
Have you read the full transcripts of the Nuremberg Trials? My favorite is the testimony of Rudolf Höss. Is that your favorite too?
i like how they say you shouldn't get you history for hollywood but that's all they seem to provide
>>69228653
Well why did no one in the Nuremberg Trials deny the Holocaust, even when they knew they were being executed shortly? Checkmate.
Also, evidence isn't evidence and black is now white.
>>69228819
so you admit you are using victors justice as a valid source for accusations of warcrimes?
>>69228536
>jews commited lots of shit in Germany, including "declaring war" in '33
>totally bright idea to let them free again during the war, amrite, Chaim ?
also:
>jews from Ukraine
>implying they weren't full communist retards
Therefore, holocaust happened, but only in Germany and there were no countries accused before of wanting to exterminate 6 gasillion joos.
wat
>>69221340
the interesting question is why people question the holocaust? why does it bother them that it happened and what would be different if it hadn't happen?
I am a historian and in pretty much any serious publications there is a consensus that it happened. so, yeah.
This is a very good video explaining the Jewish obsession with the number "6" and "6 million" and how they've been claiming this same number of dead Jews since the 1700s.
For those who don't know, in almost all European nations you can go to JAIL if you dare to even wonder "you know, do you think maybe the numner fo jews who died was less than 6 million, givne that they've reduced the numbers they claimed at Auschwitz by 2.5 million?
Not only do you go to jail, but (in France)you have to take out adds in 5 major papers "confessing your guilt...but you aren't allowed to have what you said printed, so it will say, X was founded guilty of hate and "descecrating the memory of the dead" and said __________.
It's so Orwellian once you really understand it, you won't even believe it really goes on. But it does. Why do the jews need LAWS to prevent people from discussing an historical subject?
"To find out who rules over you, simply look who you are not allowed to criticize."- Voltaire
>>69229116
its used as a justification to destroy german national unity and often any european national unity. i wouldnt care if it wasnt being used as a political weapon today
Ashes to ashes Dust to Dust No one to distrust
>>69228688
>Have you read the full transcripts of the Nuremberg Trials? My favorite is the testimony of Rudolf Höss
Actually, yes. All available on "the avalon project" on the yale law website.
It becomes a bit different when you find out that he was having his testicles smashed with a hammer by Jew interrogators wearing US Army uniforms behind the scenes.
My favorite execution though was Julius Stricher, killed for "saying mean things" about Jews and publishing Der Stomrer.
His last words, as they led him to the gallows, were "Purim Fest, 1946!"
>>69229116
>I am a historian and in pretty much any serious publications there is a consensus that it happened. so, yeah
Wouldn't you say the MORE interesting question is why it is the only historical topic where you have LAWS in almost all European nations that FORBID you to even question it, with jail as your punishment if you dare to question it?
"The Truth does not fear Investigation."
>>69229164
With all respect, you really need to be more... chilled when discussing this topic. Just a friendly advice, brother.
>>69229252
it may be used for many purposes. and you have all the right to disagree with those interpretations. that doesn't change the fact that it happened, does it?
>>69226550
I don't care which website links to information; if it's there, it's there. But your link doesn't say a word about 400,000 dead jews. In fact, it says the death books from '44 and '45 are fucking missing. These, of course, are the years when almost everyone agrees the Nazis started to kill people from the camps as an intentional policy.
Are you just making shit up and hoping people are seriously lacking in reading skills?
>>69229612
that doesnt change any facts, and i have yet to see convincing evidence the facts you speak of exist. all i see is another lie designed to do a certain group of people harm and accomplish a geopolitical goal
>>69229544
>>69229544
Don't worry -- he's off his meds and providing good entertainment for us all.
>>69229408
His execution went wonderfully. "Streicher "went down kicking" which may have dislodged the hangman's knot from its ideal position. Smith stated that Streicher could be heard groaning under the scaffold after he dropped through the trap-door, and that the executioner intervened under the gallows, which was screened by wood panels and a black curtain, to finish the job."
The nail in the coffin of all Holocaust deniers is the Nuremberg trials, with their 3,000 tons of records. It was meant to provide proof of what the Nazis did and it still does. No one at the Nuremberg Trials denied the Holocaust. The only move available for conspiratorial Holocaust deniers is to say that 3,000 tons of evidence doesn't count. I dislike human retardation and this is the most egregious example I've seen -- worse even than Elvis sightings.
>>69229544
>With all respect, you really need to be more... chilled when discussing this topic. Just a friendly advice, brother.
I think I've been perfectly rational. When Jews start trying to pull their usual bullshit, I respond exactly in the tine they do.
I offer info and to have civil discussions, when they refuse, I take on same tone tha tthye do.
Won't apologize for that. There are people doing JAIL TIME all over Europe for daring to question the Jewish narrative of the holocaust.
>>69221676
In the 60's?
>>69229541
we discussed this topic in a class with a PHD from austria. the problem is that people, still to this day, want to deny it for political reasons. not for scientific reasons. and this may lead to discrimination and racism. if you've lurked pol for more than 5 minutes you'll understand why this concern is legitimate.
>>69229917
>There are people doing JAIL TIME all over Europe for daring to question the Jewish narrative of the holocaust.
people with autism should be executed instead tb.h familia
>>69229989
Pure coincidence
>>69230093
REPORTED FOR SHILLING
>>69229917
>>69229917
Response please
>>69229686
>>69229989
most people are not avid historians who care about particular details of history out of pure interest. many people feel the pain from the political implications of lies designed to do political damage. calling something racist is not a valid argument, its just a leftist buzzword
>>69230093
>>69229906
Talking about meds, it was all real in your mind. Right ?
>>69229707
no you don't have to see anything. you don't need to understand why bridges don't collapse to cross one. because you trust engineers. well, trust the scientific consensus. it happened either you like or hate the jews.
>>69229686
>I don't care which website links to information; if it's there, it's there. But your link doesn't say a word about 400,000 dead jews. In fact, it says the death books from '44 and '45 are fucking missing. These, of course, are the years when almost everyone agrees the Nazis started to kill people from the camps as an intentional policy.
>Are you just making shit up and hoping people are seriously lacking in reading skills?
I've studied this subject at a graduate level. That number is the one taken from numerous revisionist sources such as Dr. Faurison, David Irving, what we've learned form the Soviet Archives when they opened (which I worked on, BTW).
This is the entire problem of pol with subjects like this. People want a "redpill, but there is none."
Also, why do you find it some important to know how many JEWS died? Why are their lives somehow more valuable than....the 200,000 women and children who who burned to death in Dresden over the course of one night?
It's an incredibly complex subject. Right now, that number reflects the revisionist consensus of Jews who have died. From all causes.
Will you ever hear a professor at Harvard or Yale saying this? No. How can you have a rational, honest discussion when if you give the wrong opinion, you'll lose your job or, in Europe, go to jail?
Explain why we need LAWS in Europe punishing any questions on this subject with jail time?
You cannot have a rational discussion when your opponents want to jail you for disagreeing with them.
This is the hypocrisy Dr. Amendijad of Iran kept pointing out.
only when the last Jew dies will we not have to deal with lying Jewish tales of fiction
>>69230369
>it happened either you like or hate the jews.
as much as you would like this to be the case, its simply not the dichotomy
>because you trust engineers.
i do not trust every single bridge made, no, if it looks rickety and poorly made i will not cross it, especially if the engineer has a lot to gain from me crossing the bridge and getting hurt
>>69229989
>this may lead to discrimination and racism
>the leaf
ALWAYS
>>69221340
Jews said it did
>>69230409
>I failed to complete a graduate degree because I'm nuts
>I nevertheless use the names Harvard and Yale as often as possible
>I resorting to publishing on /pol/ because I have no credibility or respect from others, and I hope some other autists might find my ideas charming
>>69230258
>Response please
I'm giving the revisionist consensus taken fro the info available based on we got when soviets opened their archives, the work of men like Dr. Faurisson, Irving, etc..
That is a rough consensus right now. The truth is, we'll never have an exact number when you can go to jail for giving the "Wrong" answer since Jewish groups still make a lot of money over this and it justifies the existence of Israel.
If you've followed the thread, you saw how they had to replace the monument at Auschwitz, lowing the number by 2.5 million...and yet, by law, you go to jail for claiming less than 6 million Jews died?
Why are the Jews so invested in this? Why do they need LAWS to protect it?
Again, read the book by the leftist Jew Norman Finkelstein called "The Holocaust Industry" on what their motives are and who makes money from this whole scam.
>>69225364
WWII definitely happened. My mums friends uncles nephews uncle told me about it
>>69230558
>>69230490
>>69230317
it happened guys. don't waste your time denying the fact. debate the political gains the jews have made of it or the laws banning denying it. but it happened. no doubt about that. deal with it.
>>69230864
>>I nevertheless use the names Harvard and Yale as often as possible
A. I mention Yale bc the Avalon Project is hosted on their site
B. I mention "Harvard and Yale" bc they have the 2 biggest endowments in the US and thus are most susceptible to Jews pruning their material and giving them loyalty checks.
C.Harvard also had a big scandal years ago when a divinity school professor and Gore speech writer was fired for saying that the PAaestinians maybe had a point in a book review in the NYT
D. You are really reaching hymie.
>>69231055
oh well if a canadian tells me it must be true then
>>69230878
I agree with you that the Jews have used this to further their own ends. I agree with you that thought crimes in Europe are reprehensible.
But you said that 400,000 died and you said you had sources. Your source straight up didn't say anything to that effect. I'm neutral here and you aren't convincing me. The Jews inappropriately using the Holocaust to their own ends and the Holocaust not happening are two different cans of worms.
>>69231179
>I definitely flunked grad school and am still mad about it
You still haven't responded to the two biggest objections to Holocaust denial:
- the massive volume of documentary evidence the Nuremberg Trials provides that was intended to show what the Nazis did, and does indeed do this job very well.
- The fact that no one tried systematic Holocaust denial until about 1959. No one in the Nuremberg Trials tried this, even though their reputations and lives depended on it.
These are the two points that no Holocaust denier can deal with adequately. Nevertheless, it's a mildly amusing trolling phenomenon that allows people with mental illnesses to act out online in from of a pointless audience.
>>69231199
if a canadian tells you it didn't happen you would believe him because you don't care what is real. you want something to be true so you can justify hating the jews. all because that explain why you have a shitty life. I don't like them. they are hateful people for the most part to be honest. but my life is not defined by them. too many people complain about the jews just because they need to transfer the responsibility of their failed life to an outsider. it's less painful. in other words it is easier to hate a jew than to hate yourself.
>>69231055
>it happened guys
Eish....again WHAT happened? Back to the same problems-- define your terms.
No one00 in this thread or anywhere else-- is claiming that Jews did not die in WW 2. What some people question is the existence of "gas chambers" and an assembly line style killing.
When you really get into the details, nothing adds up about that aspect. Jews DID die in fairly large numbers on the Eastern front, because often the only way to subdue a town was to gather up all the Jews (who were fanatically pro-communist) and shoot them. I know this happened. I've talked to SS men who did it.
The whole "gas oven" side of it though is bullshit and was used to milk money and support for Israel.
I've spent many, many hours looking into this-- I got my Masters in this subject-- and it just does not add up. We live in aworld where, esp in Europe, the new religion is Holocasutology and you can be punished by the state for heresy.
That should scare people more than anything.
Put down your video games and spend a few hours watching this. Promise, you'll come out with an entirely different opinion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dxsVSzL4HE
>>69231620
you are making wild accusations that speak more about yourself than me. nowhere in this thread did i express any kind of hatred for the jews or imply that jews even did anything wrong.
>>69231631
>I have spent many many hours looking into this
it doesn't matter. not because you are not an intelligent person. but because you don't have the methodological tool to arrive to valid conclusions. that's why we have these people who use the scientific method to tell us what is true and what is not.
you can look into it all you want but you might be incurring in tons of errors. so your conclusions are not valid.
>>69231411
>But you said that 400,000 died and you said you had sources. Your source straight up didn't say anything to that effect. I'm neutral here and you aren't convincing me. The Jews inappropriately using the Holocaust to their own ends and the Holocaust not happening are two different cans of worms.
There are no definitive sources that you would consider "credible" in the sense that you would consider sources "credible" for other topics since people lose jobs and goto jail over this.
-We have the death certificates from Auschwitz, which I linked to. We have the Jews reducing their numbers by 2.5 million.
- We have testimony from David Irving (the foremost living expert on WW 2) at the Zundel trial that "more German civilians died in a single night (The Dresden Bombings) than all Jews of all causes in WW 2.
You take the work of Irving, what me have from Soviet archives now released, and work of Dr. Faurisson (back in jail now I believe) and give an estimate.
This is certainly proof that "6 million Jews were not killed in 'gas ovens.'" It's the best we can do on the revisionist side since you go to jail/lose job for studying this and giving your opinion.
Who do you trust more? The people who stand to benefit financially from this and are protesting the Jewish reparations racket or the men speaking out and sacrificing their careers and freedom in the interests of truth and righteousness?
>>69231738
You are right. when I say you I mean the average conspiracy theorist. you know, any person involved in a conspiracy theory has two characteristics: 1. wants to feel relevant because they "know" something important. 2. if what they claim was true it would explain why they didn't get a more successful life [whatever that means].
>>69231962
>you can look into it all you want but you might be incurring in tons of errors. so your conclusions are not valid
How are they less valid than the way the Jews arrived at 6 million?
There are all sorts of things involved like pre-war statistics, the few documents not destroyed in Germany, what has been released by the Brit archives, the US archives, and most notably the Russians.
Our methods are certainly more sound than those used by the Jews to arrive at "6 million," which consists of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzuo9Iylh6c
>>69223047
>soviets released death certificates of Auschwitz
Most of what you said is wrong, but this line in particular was the most retarded. Even if your 400,000 number is true, does that make it any less heinous?
The funny thing about stormfags is they focus on the quantity of jews killed, as if 6 million people being rounded up by a fascist authoritatian government would be bad... but if the number was closer to 1 million or a half a million then its perfectly okay.
The number "6 million" is absolutely random and literally came out of their ass, their was no methodology. Even the high Priest of holocaust on the establishment side, Raul Hillberg, doe not come to that number.
As in the above linked video, the Jews had been referring to "6 million jews dying" for literally hundreds of years and the number "6 million dead Jews" was actually written into the record of the House of Reps in 1943 when a Jew congressman cited this number before the majority of Jews are claimed to have even died.
I repeat, there is no "redpill" for this topic. You have to spend hours and hours and years studying it, and use what you believe are the most credible sources to come to a conclusion.
The number is FAR lower than "6 million" and why, exactly, are Jewish lives worth so much more than ours?
You do know there was a "Holocaust Museum" in Washington DC builton Federal land with Federal money paying tribute to jews who never even stepped foot in this nation a decade plus before the WW 2 memorial was built (with money raised by Fred Smith of Fedex, no Federal money).
The temerity of these Jews is astounding. Here is Ernst Zundel in one of his last interviews (this one with a Jew journalist) where he absolutely destroys him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5sbegfCz7o
>>69231533
Alright. I'm out of here. Still no answer, which is further confirmation that these points can't be dealt with.
Conspiracy theories are interesting because of what they show about the people who hold them. There's a nice parallel with Shakespeare. The so-called authorship question (suggesting that the works of Shakespeare were not written by Shakespeare) only appears as an issue first in 1857 when a weird American woman called Delia Bacon first put forward Francis Bacon as a possible author of Shakespeare's works. Her reasons were because she felt Shakespeare wasn't educated enough or of sufficiently high social status to have written the works of Shakespeare (and there's the neat coincidence of a shared name). There's a wonderful account of all this in James Shapiro's book Contested Will.
The point is that conspiracy theories usually emerge too late and are enormously revealing of the motives of those who disseminate them. They always tell us a great deal about their advocates, and that's what makes these theories fun. And also, in all seriousness, you can't properly advocated for a position that first appears a decade after it would've been relevant. This is just a bit silly.
This page is solid:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-evidence-that-proves-beyond-reasonable-doubt-that-the-Holocaust-occurred
And >>69232988 has become less entertaining than I hoped, especially in not having a crackpot answer to the big unanswerable questions.
Shalom!
>>69232491
>Even if your 400,000 number is true, does that make it any less heinous?
Agreed. What about the millions of Ukrainians and Russians killed Jewish communists (like Lazar Kagonavich) or Yegoda, the head of the Secret Police (which was 80% Jewish, according to Solzhenitsyn) and cleaned out 1/3 of the population of St. Petersburg?
You know ISrael has refused to extradite any Jew to a "Goyim nation," even the Jew Simon Morrel who admits having beaten to death over 300 former German soldiers? See the book "An eye for an Eye."
Hoe about the Soviet Minister of propaganda, the Jew Elya Ehenburg (whose papers went to Israel, despite him being the SOIVEt minster of propaganda) and encouraged and urged on the rape and murder of over 1,8 million German women.
Shouldn't someone have to answer for these crimes? You Jews want to hunt "Nazis" to the ends of the earth, yet you've never called for any of the Soviet Jewish War Criminals to face justice.
Why? Why are Jewish lives more valuable than our's? Bc you are a Jewish supremacist and your entire tribe on some level believes the teachings of the talmud, that only Jewish lives matter. Correct?
>>69221340
if we would have just roasted the Swiss instead, I think a lot of our world problems today would not have happened.
>>69233200
>The point is that conspiracy theories usually emerge too late and are enormously revealing of the motives of those who disseminate them. They always tell us a great deal about their advocates, and that's what makes these theories fun. And also, in all seriousness, you can't properly advocated for a position that first appears a decade after it would've been relevant. This is just a bit sill
Any information that isn't from/approved by the ADL/SPLC, you kikes dismiss as "biased."
It doesn't matter, the difference between your side and our's is that people are fighting for principle, not for extorting Jew Shekels and to justify Israeli war crimes.
Anyone who causally sees this thread sees which one of us knows more about this topic.
p.s., hymie: The Goyim Know...
>>69221497
>unmanned craft in the 60s
yea, no
Lastly, Jew, in Western tradition and not semitic, the burden of proof is on the ACCUSER to prove allegations, not the accused.
There has NEVER been any sort reliable source justifying the "6 million" number the Jews claim.
In western tradition, shlomo, the burden of proof false on YOU and your tribe to prove allegations, not the other way around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRIFIh1WjVY
>>69232491
Bonjour, Reddit
>>69228630
To play Devils advocate, the people in the camps were worked and starved to death, so the ones going into the ovens would likely weigh far less than 150lbs
>>69232491
the larger point is the deception itself and those effects, not the quantity. of course retarded people think its ok to kill only 1 million, but who the fuck listens to them anyway
>>69235005
irrelevant
>>69223531
bills for gas and cremation. as if anyone believes that
>>69225171
I want the thing about zyklon b, I have never heard that one before
>>69237393
I hope you're still here. Sorry I went to the gym.
>>69232419
>the jews arrived at 6 million
that number comes from an statistical estimates and it wasn't created by the jews.
>that guy
...
I am really hung up on this. In sure that atrocities were committed. To what extent, we'll never know for sure. Propaganda abounds on BOTH sides.
What kills me is that the jews had been talking about this 6 million number for years, and we know the number 6 has a spiritual meaning to them. Then the final tally just happens to be 6 million. Hard to believe.
Regardless, the real danger of the holocaust is the baggage still associated with it. Western Civilization needs to shrug off this baggage now. Nationalism does not equal the holocaust. Racial realism does not equal the holocaust. Having pride in your forefathers does not equal the holocaust.
>>69238815
Pure coincidence
>>69233826
Still no answer to:
- the massively enormous volume of material in the Nuremberg Trials, with most of it produced by the Nazis themselves, including the detail that not a single Nazi in the Nuremberg Trials attempted Holocaust denial.
- the appearance of Holocaust denial as a later historical phenomenon, beginning in the far-right in North America.
These two points provide what seems to me to be incontrovertible evidence that the Nazis carried out large scale genocide and that Holocaust denial is a symptom of retardation.
>>69234178
Hey jew expert, are you still here? I have some questions
>>69240775
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J3mYaAZJ68
>>69240970
Thanks. That helps explain.
