Approaching death
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How does the red-pilled man approach death? I know that it's possibly one of the most widely written-on topics in human history, but I'm curious what /pol/ has to say.
Is stoicism the best way? A blend of stoic Christianity? Or is there a better way I'm not
familiar with.
If you knew your death was impending, would you stop caring about politics, or would you care even more, knowing it was the last bit of influence you could have on the world?
Pic kind of related, I suppose.
>>69218924
You die as you have lived, by the memes.
Make sure your last words are "Gas the kikes, race war now"
if i knew i was gonna die in 10 days then I'd probably go full breivik
I think pic-related is one of the greatest books on death I've ever read.
>>69219078
No concern for your eternal soul? Even if Christianity doesn't real, surely this level of violence would have some effect on your ability to rest in peace.
>>69219059
Memes are too contemporary. They don't echo through history.
>>69219211
i'm doing it for a righteous cause
i believe in reincarnation (into humans, not animals or hippy shit like that).
i would reincarnate into another white nationalist.
>>69219518
>african birth rate
>inb4 reincarnate into dindu nuffin
>get rich
>very rich
>start investing in medicine
>keep throwing money at it
>discover immortality
>live forever
Thats my plan, i was already born rich so im at a good point.
>>69219518
I'm hoping to reincarnate too. Do you think you carry the lessons you learned in this life into the next? I've learned a lot of hard lessons I don't want to have to learn again the hard way.
>>69218924
>philosophy is not the study of how to live right, but how to die right.
Socrates
>>69219211
>go full breivik
>No concern for your eternal soul?
To kill a socialist is not a sin. It is path to heaven.
>>69219737
How do you plan to escape old age? Get 6 heart transplants like Rockefeller? Are you scared to die?
>>69219224
they do. give it time, meme magik will outlive us.
>>69219573
you reincarnate into your ancestor or a person of your race, not a nignog
>>69219761
watch these videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qc8_UVd25s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrZh6J1iF6k
That's what I believe about reincarnation. we rediscover things about ourself by seeing things we in our past lives have created; swords, buildings, art, etc.
>>69220041
Thanks, watching now. Will let you know what I think in a few.
>>69219078
how would you do this?
using your assualt fork?
>>69220899
This is a theme common through many cultures. I believe it was Alan Watts who says it's better to die 10 years too early than 1 minute to late. I think it's true.
>>69220899
i would let that native poz my neghole desu desu
>>69220041
So my next statement is based on his thing about seeing things from your past life. I know it's cliche to think you were once a Roman, but when I study Rome, it lights something inside me unlike any other culture. There is nothing else in time thought that gives me that feeling. I don't know how past lives work, if you get one every generation or what?
I'm 100% ethnic Slavic. 3/4 Slovak, 1/4 Croat. My mom has some blood disorder that is predominantly found in Italian women, so I wonder if there is a connection, since you say you are reborn as your race. My brother, on the other hand, feels the same sort of connection to Napoleonic era.
>>69219078
> if i knew i was gonna die in 10 days then I'd probably go full breivik
>>69221111
oh fug, does this mean i have to do it?
“To begin depriving death of its greatest advantage over us, let us adopt a way clean contrary to that common one; let us deprive death of its strangeness, let us frequent it, let us get used to it; let us have nothing more often in mind than death... We do not know where death awaits us: so let us wait for it everywhere.
To practice death is to practice freedom. A man who has learned how to die has unlearned how to be a slave.” ― Michel de Montaigne
>>69218924
Know death is the greatest salvation to man. You consciousness dissolves into the greater consciousness we call god
song should help explain
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/lsa-dmt-masters
>>69218924
If you have faith in Christ, then the death in this life is a relief and you will spend eternity in the presence of God.
>>69221658
I have written a small booklet on this, explaining how it fits into the themes of Christianity and how Catholicism accurately represents that idea. I won't share it because I don't want to doxx myself, but my main point was the what you said. I believe Christianity is a beautiful religion that is completely misunderstood because it was forced into Greek, Roman, and other anthropomorphized gods instead of being the greater consciousness of God like you said.
>>69221954
I believe this too. I contemplate what the presence of God is. I think it's a positive energy that you become part of the light and you are present for all the good in the world. I don't know if you really go to a place like heaven, or maintain your consciousness. Do you think the dead can visit people dreams?
>>69219972
Im not scared to die, i dont WANT to die.
Scared maybe a little bit, but i just want to see the advancement of humanity ffs.
>>69219224
>Memes ... don't echo through history
What is fire, what is god, what is a society, what is science, what is the jew....?
>>69222436
In the Bible you see more than once where people, like elijah, make appearances acter they have left earth. It is also a sin to attempt communication with the dead, implying that it may be possible.
I have no clue what in the presence of God means except that it is beyond my currwnt understanding. I have hope and faith that it will be pure ecstasy, which is a poor human way of describing it.
>>69222606
How are those memes?
>>69222545
That's one thing I often contemplate. I would like to see the future, but I'm oddly content with the time of history I was born into. I worry about being reincarnated into a world I don't understand.
>>69218924
Greet Death as an old friend. You were nothing before you were born, and when you die, you will decay to nothing. Whether or not we have a spirit that moves on to another plane of existence, or if Reincarnation is real, or any number of other afterlife theories is irrelevant. We cannot know those things until we die.
>>69218924
Why should I fear death?
If I am, then death is not.
If Death is, then I am not.
Why should I fear that which can only exist when I do not?
Long time men lay oppressed with slavish fear.
Religious tyranny did domineer.
At length the mighty one of Greece
Began to assent the liberty of man.
>>69222737
First oxfort dictionaries definition:
An element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.
Now stop posting and lurk more
>>69222932
Based Epicurus.
>>69222609
I'm not too versed with the Old Testament. What do you mean by communicate with the dead? I like to talk in my head to my friends who have died. I know seances and Ouija boards are sins, but is what I said a sin?
I don't know if you care about the next part so don't consider it a direct reply; I'm kind of just openly throwing things out there to see what other anons have experienced.
Sometimes I'm visited in dreams by my dead friend. I had a friend die from cancer 3 years ago. The other night I dreamt that I was with my friend hanging out, and I texted his step brother to ask why he told me Joseph was dead when I was with him right then. It was so spooky and realistic, yet comforting, that I woke up hoping that I didn't really text him.
It wasn't the first time I've been "visited" either. Joseph has written me letters in my dreams before too. I also had a friend named Steven who died from cancer too last year. I had a dream in which he told me everything was cool. My buddy's girlfriend attended some "psychic" bullshit, and normally I hate those, but she described Steven to a T to her and said he wanted to let her know he was alright.
>>69222967
Oxford dictionary definitions don't mean shit compared to the colloquial use.
>>69223158
Ignorant Gen Y.
Enjoy dieingin an non necessary war
>>69223178
>"It seems to me that the life of man on earth is like the swift flight of a single sparrow through the banqueting hall where you are sitting at dinner on a winter’s day with your captains and counsellors. In the midst there is a comforting fire to warm the hall. Outside, the storms of winter rain and snow are raging. This sparrow flies swiftly in through one window of the hall and out through another. While he is inside, the bird is safe from the winter storms, but after a few moments of comfort, he vanishes from sight into the wintry world from which he came. So man appears on earth for a little while – but of what went before this life, or what follows, we know nothing.”
>>69222832
How I see it. Either something happens or it doesn't. If it doesn't then you won't exist to care about how much the prospect of that sucks. If there is eternal life, then what a pleasant surprise! If reincarnation, then I don't you would keep your past lives memories, or have any idea that it existed.
But we don't know. I find it as the centerpiece of the arrogance of Man that anyone can claim they know the true nature of what happens when we die or the true nature of who or what God is and his plan or ruleset for humanity. Honestly it's kind of insulting to God in my opinion to make any of these claims.
If there is a heaven, then I trust in God's wisdom to put people of a righteous soul in there, and if there is a hell to match, I again trust in his wisdom to punish those who deserve it. I just don't think God has published his rulebook to humanity. And if there isn't then oh well. Life was kinda cool while it lasted.
>>69223111
In deuteronomy 18:11 it saysnot to be a medium, spiritist, or someone who cinsults the dead
In 1 samuel saul summons a woman who appears and bad shit goes down
I dont think your dream visitations sound like what the Bible is talking about
>>69219573
>into humans, not animals or hippy shit like tha
>>69223178
>Sperm and egg are in oblivion
Try again libshit
am I the only one that just wants to die when I die?
>life's a bitch and then you're dead
>>69223825
No. Lots of people have no hope. But to chose your desire over God's desire is wrong
Probably scream at the top of my lungs as I try to take someone down with me. If there were no way out I'd defiantly do that.
>>69219102
I agree OP, read meditations.. It's quite a short book but if I had to choose 1 book for every man to read it would be meditations
>>69223802
It's just a >2deep4me pic I like. Also you'll notice that the sperm and egg haven't connected yet.
>>69223955
I have an 18 year old little brother. One of my last wishes for him is to read it so he can become a true man, not some faggy modern idea of what manliness is, like bacon and beard memes.
>>69218924
i haven't been getting enough sleep lately
dying is just sleeping for a long time
i think it might do me some good
>>69224079
Why hasnt he read the meditations yet? I got my lil bro to. Even for Christians there is a lot of great philosophy in that book.
>>69218924
I think I would be largely stoic,as that's just how I am. I have been in incredibly negative and worrying situations before and remained stoic. Im pretty unflappable.
I would most likely dedicate myself to writing a well worded manifesto on how I believe my nation and the west has fallen, making sure my friends and family are exposed to it before my death.
After that I would just experience the world I guess. I would definitely find death easier to tolerate if I had someone I love by my side, though. Approachig death as a single man, without any of yog previous loves waiting for you in the reat beyond, must feel awful.
>>69220899
>Implying savages really said that
>>69223802
>I was aware as an embryo
American education.
>>69220987
Kek, never change
>>69219224
>Memes are too contemporary. They don't echo through history.
The strong ones do. That is in fact central to memetics. Like genes, we also pass on our memes.
>>69224219
>Approachig death as a single man, without any of yog previous loves waiting for you in the reat beyond, must feel awful.
I didn't ask for this feel
>>69224303
>Existence = awareness
Huehue """"""philosophy"""""""
>>69218924
I'd do what I want, which what I do anyway.
>>69220041
How do you account for an increasing population? If everyone is reincarnated, there must be many people who are not.
Or do you take the stance that we are all the same soul, jumping from body to body after death, unrestricted by linear time, until it has lived all lives through all of time?
>>69224444
Oblivion there is clearly being used in the sense of absence of awareness, because sperms, eggs and spooky flying fish obviously exist.
Also, waste of good digits.
>>69223914
Does it really matter if he wants to die he can die
>>69224212
I'm trying to get him to read more in general. All he does is play league of legends and hearthstone in his spare time, so I'm trying to train him to be more intellectual.
>>69224219
>Approaching death as a single man, without any of yog previous loves waiting for you in the reat beyond, must feel awful.
It does. What's worse is when a girl breaks your heart right beforehand. I had a college lover who I hadn't spoken to in two years. I ran into her at a bar last summer and she told me she always loved me and was deeply attracted to me. Long story short, she had moved away for work and said she was dating a guy in her town out of loneliness. She said she didn't care for him that much.
Long story short, I drive 14 fuckin hours to see her, the day after getting intense chemotherapy. Her stupid "boyfriend" was around the whole weekend. (she didn't call him that, just "the guy I'm seeing.) I would've felt like a cuck, except I cucked him that summer. She later started acting cold towards me, and didn't even tell me when she came into town for Thanksgiving. I went off and I think she blocked my number. I haven't heard from her sense. I'm thinking about sending her a goodbye letter, and letting her know how much grief she caused me. I don't know how to handle it.
>>69224684
Read the image genius. Black is oblivion, white is existence, not awareness. Of course the image would make sense if white was awareness, but its not because the image isnt trying to address awareness.
>>69224824
Don't.
She's literally not worth it.
>>69224711
There is no eternal death
>>69224824
And hes 18? Take him /out/ for a week and have him do nothing but enjoy nature and read philosophy. Hopefully it will rewire his brain
>Lying in bed
>Suddenly the realisation that one day I will cease to exist and be incapable of perceiving the world
Christ I've never panicked so hard
I'm not scared of dying, but the concept of death of the self and my concious makes me deeply uncomfortable
>>69224901
oh yes there is a god would have had that option
>>69224894
Ok. I just wanted to make her cry, to feel some fucking emotion for once in her life. I think maybe just dying without speaking to her will do more than writing some dumb letter.
>>69224969
It makes me think alot about consciousness and what it means to see through one body, you know? Not "why me" sort of attitude, but more like "What is perception and what is being an individual and how can I escape this body."
>>69225010
She knows your dying and is that much of a bitch?
>>69224868
It addresses awareness of one's existence as proof of existence itself.
Cogito ergo sum.
>>69224969
That's known as an existential crisis. Pic related may be of use to you.
>>69225099
Yes. I think most people are obliviously naive and hopeful, and in their minds refuse to consider that death is around the corner for us all. I had asked her why she showed no concern that I was dying, despite all she said about loving me, and she said "I have every hope that you'll get better, blah blah."
>>69224353
I just wish my phone keyboard hadn't fucked up so much and that I had typed it properly.
>>69224901
And if God did not spare the Angels who sinned, but cast them down in chains of darkness into the lowest depths and handed them over to be kept for the judgment of torment,
>And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
trld hell is deathrow
>>69225128
Thats why i said the philosophy was shit whe i responded to you the first time
>>69225445
Judgement of torment. Torment, not eternal death.
>>69225326
So shes just fooling heself. Forget her dude.
>>69225618
holy shit its satan again
2 Peter 2:4
>For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
>>69225663
That's what I need to hear.
>>69223825
No nigger
>>69225572
But that's just Cartesianism, not hue hue philosophy, which is much closer to hedonism if anything.
Your original criticism of the image fails to take into account the existence of a dead fish as equivalent to the existence of the sperm and the egg. Consequently, you make an invalid point when you reject one as pertaining to the ontological subset of "oblivion" and not the other.
>>69223556
Saul has the witch of Endor summon the dead so he can talk with Samuel.
>>69225220
isn't ride the tiger very DIY meaning though?
>>69220987
i think you underestimate just how pointy some plastic knives can be
>>69218924
Are you ok OP?
Are you going to die?
Here's a Taoist take on it:
In the light of the setting sun,
Men either beat the pot and sing
Or loudly bewail the approach of old age.
Here the end of the day has come. The light of the setting sun calls to mind the fact that life is transitory and conditional. Caught in this external bondage, men are usually robbed of their inner freedom as well. The sense of the transitoriness of life impels them to uninhibited revelry in order to enjoy life while it lasts, or else they yield to melancholy and spoil the precious time by lamenting the approach of old age. Both attitudes are wrong. To the superior man it makes no difference whether death comes early or late. He cultivates himself, awaits his allotted time, and in this way secures his fate.
>>69218924
romans actually rode tigers into battle, shit was crazy
>>69218924
I don't really mind being dead, I am just afraid of a painful death
>>69226178
Is it possible that you feel pain after you're dead, but you're unable to express it?
>>69226135
I like that.
>>69226134
Yeah soon. I haven't done what I'd hoped in life to be remembered in texts or speech, so at least I can have this thread in the archive.
>>69226271
>no neural activity
>pain
Pick one.
>>69226271
No?
>>69225936
To a point in that it goes against the grain by rejecting modernity, but in doing so goes hardcore traditional (that tradition being one of conflict and striving to be the best you can be in competition with others doing the same).
>>69226342
Thanks that's reassuring. Who knows man, beheaded people still roll their eyes and shit, don't they?
>>69226422
But there aren't heads from the french revolution still rolling their eyes
nawmean
Ah, death - the great equaliser.
>>69218924
Same shit, different day
Same shit, different day
Same shit, different day
Different shit, different day
>>69226422
Did you know cockroaches can live without their heads for weeks until they die of starvation?
>>69226673
I didn't know Turks were that resilient.
Seriously though, do roaches not have brains in their head or what.
>>69226326
What do you got, cancer?
>>69226787
yeah
>>69226741
They just can't bleed to death because roach blood has magical Ottoman properties.
>>69226846
How painful is it?
>>69226904
I have pain medicine so it hasn't been too bad. The problem is the pressure of pressing tumors, which you can't reduce except through radiation.
>>69225904
Luke isn't a witch, he was just using The Force.
>>69226326
Well shit man, that sucks. I don't think anyone can be really prepared for that. Just think of it as a long and peaceful sleep, that's the least frightening way to see it imo.
>>69227082
FeelsBadMan
>>69227082
Sounds tough, hope you have a good time in the afterlife
>>69227193
>>69227218
>>69227288
Thanks. I just like hearing different theories about death. I wake up and cry for a few minutes each morning, thinking about my mom, dad, siblings, dog and friends. I'm trying to not do that though, so I want to build more confidence about it through discussion.
>>69225936
>>69226400
Though in the case of Ride the Tiger specifically, it's trying to do this through any means possible.
It's not DIY in that anything goes, it's more like trying to build a car from scrap.
>>69218924
besides classical, this is one of the best pieces of music a dying man can listen to
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JgZ1zfwma80
>>69227443
Thanks. I like some of Willie Nelson's stuff. I've been listening to the Highwaymen too.
>>69227360
You're a brave man. I'm only 22, but I'm already terrified of dying. I'd probably go crazy if I were you.
>>69227428
But what is wrong with that?
>>69228099
I don't know if I'm that sane. I am a bit shell-shocked, so to speak. I've had four years of harsh treatment and it takes a toll.
The worst part is how many people that you thought were your friends who never call you, and they never even text you to ask how you're doing. I've had "friends" who have never asked me once how my treatment is going, yet every time I post something about Trump on social media, they want to argue with me. I finally had enough and told them how I feel. I told them to piss off if they only want to contact me to argue.
I'd be lying if I said dying isn't hard, but it has to be done.
>>69228305
Nothing. I'm just stating that while it technically is DIY, it's different from the other DIY on the image because it's got a goal already rather than making your own everything from scratch.
>>69218924
At least I'll die with knowing a bit more of the truth than the ones around me.
>>69228415
If it's any comfort at least you're getting it out of the way early.
>>69228752
Yeah I could never see myself in the rat race, you know. I never felt that I had a place in this world: no girlfriend, no job, etc. I sometimes wonder about the power of the human mind and self-fulfilling prophecies.
Without fear.
Read Plato's Apology.
Stoicism is despicable in my opinion. Christianity is about proper expression of emotion, not the suppression of emotion that stoicism advocates. Granted you must control your emotions in Christianity, you shouldn't show crippling weakness to a child in death, but you shouldn't fear expressing such an emotion or fear to a priest or man of God. So if I knew I was going to die I would read a lot, spend as much time with my family. Impart as much wisdom to my friends and family as possible.
>>69228836
There's some benefit about it. I'm not trying to be condescending or anything but modern life is an uphill struggle with no rewards.
From your position you probably feel like you're missing out on something grand but the vast majority of people on /pol/ are going to struggle to live unfulfilled, mediocre lives and have nothing to show for it at the end anyway.
I am truly sorry for your position though.
>>69228415
Well, I'm not really on the same boat as you. I've got a bad heart, and get mini-strokes randomly, I mean, my left arm goes numb, my chest starts hurting, and I feel my conscious slipping away, but it disappears just as fast as it arrives. Last one I had was about 6 months ago. My parents, girlfriend, and a few close friends know about it, but that's it. The big one can arrive at any second.
But I know, deep down, I wouldn't be very noticed. Possibly only after a week or so most people would notice I was gone. My parents, my girlfriend, the people who hear from me on a daily basis... They'd only know after a couple of days. Possibly more. But I feel so universally hated that I just know everyone would forget me quickly. And that's what hurts me the most. Not the oblivion I would feel after dying, but how nothing I would be to everyone.
I don't even care anymore about people, ya know. I was always shunned, but I had to make a great effort to try and connect to someone at all once I got to university. That's how I met my girlfriend... She felt just like me. She was like us, you know, forgetten by everyone, mocked by everyone, and we just connected, but deep down I think and somewhat hope she'd be the only one not to forget about me so easily.
I'm so scared of dying. The only thing I'm curious about is if there's some way to know, after dying, that someone will remember you all their lives.
>>69228836
At least at the end it won't matter what we did in live since death is the same for everyone
>>69226326
Everything is possible, but it won't be pain felt from your human body at least
>>69229461
Trust me friend, every person I know who has passed away I think about from time to time. I'd imagine even in my old age I will remember the lives of those I knew. With time we all will be forgotten. In a million years when all of humanity has passed away into oblivion even our greatest heros will be nothing. Your life's worth should be measured by your own barometer, not in comparison to those around you.
>>69228836
OP if you want to email I am always here to talk, everyone deserves a proper outlet.
>>69228956
Why do you find Stoicism despicable?
>So if I knew I was going to die I would read a lot, spend as much time with my family. Impart as much wisdom to my friends and family as possible.
This is what I'm trying to do. I've written a small booklet on my thoughts about death and life. I'm trying to share it with all my family and friends.
If you don't mind, I'd like to share a bit. Tell me your honest opinion but please don't call me a faggot. My main point is that many disciplines, religion, biology, politics, etc. all point to the thought that humanity composes something greater than the sum of it's parts.
>atoms >cell >organ >organ system >organism (in this case humans) >community (God)
In biology, we have Mitochondrial Eve, and the aforementioned biological hierarchy. We can't truly observe God, just like cells can't observe the body. They're just apart of something greater. Go re-read Genesis w. that in mind. It makes so much more sense when you think of God forming everything and everyone from sand or dirt, aka the smallest observable particles, akin to atoms.
Also take politics and the Social Contract theory. It was actually first mentioned by Buddhists around 500 B.C. I think government and societies are an expression of our united nature.
The bottom line of my booklet is that the the only sin is selfishness, but selfishness takes an almost unlimited amount of forms. That's because anything you do for pleasure for yourself, even if it doesn't directly harm others, still has a negative effect on your spiritual communion with humanity. Take masturbating and drug use for instance. It trains you not to need other people for pleasure. I believe the main point of Christianity is to achieve ego-death, but I think this was lost when Christianity was interpreted by the Romans, Greeks, etc. and their anthropomorphic gods.
>>69229461
I wish you nothing but good health, even if it seems unlikely. I will say a prayer for you today, but it would be disingenuous to say that I'll do it forever, because I will likely forget this conversation sooner or later.
I don't think you need to wait for death to know that people will remember you. SOMEBODY will. Your girlfriend, your parents, etc. The people closest to you will never forget you. As time passes, they may not feel as sad as they did, and they may not think of you every day. Eventually after they die, you'll be forgotten. But your memory should live for some time.
>>69230209
I try to remain a bit more upbeat about humanity's survival... We're self-conscious, we can create things and achieve things that seem unreal. We can escape this rock, we can survive outside of it, we can dominate other worlds, just like 5 centuries ago, our ancestors set off from their homeland in boats and tried to discover the world... and eventually rule it.
You still know some of those type of characters, for example. Those immortal legends, like Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Christopher Columbus... Even small-time, national heroes, like D. Afonso Henriques, for us Portuguese. They may be forgotten, yes, we do not know what the future holds. All it would take is a massive shift in mentality and those old kings fade away in everyone's minds like they're nothing.
I always wanted to be like such, ya know? Big. Bigger than everyone. Someone who would make a mark. But as I grew older, I noticed that'd be impossible for me. I'm just a common citizen of an irrelevant country, with a heart problem. I'm nobody. Maybe that's the source of my depression for the past years. The realization that I'm nothing, and my dreams will never come to pass. I'll never be big.
That's why I decided to enroll in health sciences. I want to investigate, I want to discover... If I can't make myself immortal in mind, maybe it's possible to do it in body... I personally believe that biological immortality is possible through genetics. And that's what I want to work on.
>>69230629
Some time is not good enough for me. Call me arrogant or pretentious, but I don't want to be like the common guy, forgotten by all within 3 or 4 generations at most. And I also don't want to die, because non-existence is terrifying. There's nothing there.
>>69230374
>Why do you find Stoicism despicable?
I find Stoicism despicable, because you will hear a stoic say, "Anger serves no purpose and should be repressed". A Christian would say,"Anger is often purposeless, however righteous anger is the greatest and truest expression of the emotion". The Christian argues that every emotion has a point where it is meant to be expressed and for a good purpose. The stoic will make an absolute statement regarding emotions and thus limit the ability of a human to live the good life.
>The bottom line of my booklet is that the the only sin is selfishness
I disagree, but see your point. Many hedonistic pleasures as you identify, masturbation, for instance is rightly defined as sinful in some part to as you argue. But what about a walk alone on a beautiful day?
It does not involve others does not necessarily draw you closer to humanity or communion, but it may yet be a greater more pure joy and exact pleasure than any other experience. In my mind pleasure is fine, proper pleasure, pleasure that is obtained while you living a good life, while you obey God.
The root problem may lie in my conception of God. God to me is the One of Greek philosophy, the highest good, who through his love for us became incarnate. Therefore being the one good, everything is the world is a corruption of the good. There is no evil in the world only bastardizations of what was once good. Masturbation, pornography, are not wrong purely because they are selfish, they are wrong because they are bastardizations of sex within a devoted partnership. All sin is a misapplication of the good.
>Humanity composes something greater than the sum of it's parts.
You actually are close to something I can concur with, that God is only seen through relationship.
>>69231459
>Anger is often purposeless, however righteous anger is the greatest and truest expression of the emotion
Except only God can be righteous in his anger.
>>69231699
Possibly, is it not righteous anger, to be enraged by the plight of the poor? I would argue thus.
>>69231388
I see what you mean. I had a similar strive, the book of Ecclesiastes really struck me in that sense.
>"All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again."
-Ecclesiastes 3:20
Even if we can achieve biological immortality, I fear all of achievements, all of humanities triumphs will fade with the universe. For even our universe will end.
>>69231926
>Possibly, is it not righteous anger, to be enraged by the plight of the poor? I would argue thus.
No, because man is sinful and imperfect, and therefore cannot be truly righteous in his anger.
>>69231926
When you'd die, you'd die with the universe, and be born with a new one. 13 billion years is a long time... That's about 185 million times the current average lifespan for a human. It's an eternity.
>>69231926
The book of Ecclesiastes has lots of interesting things. Like that there is no life after death, you're simply dead. Encouragement to drink wine and be happy and live your life to the fullest.
Kinda goes against a lot of what Christians teach I'm really surprised they left that in the bible.
>>69232265
I hope it's not just, ya know, gone.
I'd like to think it's like being in a coma. A blissful, eternal dream... that's what I hope.
>>69232868
As long as it's not hell or being traped in an eternal void really everything is fine
>>69232265
It all depends the manner in which you interpret the Bible. It is more accurate, and the only reason Ecclesiastes is left in the Bible, to view the book in light of all of Scripture. It decries that hedonism, and although sad in tone, when see with all of Scripture it is a diatribe against all forms of pleasures, whether they be wine or of the flesh.
>>69232249
That's my point, even if we achieve biological immortality everything comes to end, what is 13 billion years compared to eternity though?
It would be even more immense than 100 years to 13 billion.
>>69232045
True, but we can sure come close. Our nature is flawed, but that does not mean we can perform actions that are pure. Christ was human and he lived a sinless life, if you are Catholic Mary was also without sin through the grace of God.
>>69230374
I think you're on the right track, anon. I've considered very similar points myself that I don't think I will ever get clarity on until it gets close to the end. There's got to be something to the fact that most of humanity has come to similar conclusions. I envy you in that respect. You will know the ultimate answer and peace before most of us living.
P.S. wife is hospice nurse, own personal angel of death. By extension I live and breathe death almost as much as she does. If your situation is 100% terminal, go on hospice sooner than later. They have great resources not only for palliative care but spiritual guidance and counseling if you need somebody outside your circle to talk with.
