http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/28/news/companies/fbi-apple-iphone-case-cracked/index.html
The FBI is dropping their case against apple as they have received assistance from an unknown third party in cracking the San Bernardino shooters iphone.
What remains to be seen is if this exploit was a one off provided by someone who knew the shooter and was able to provide a correct passcode or if it was done using a pre-0-day CVE discovered by the unnamed third party. Sadly, if its a CVE, its now in the hands of the feds which means we're all fucked.
Good, now sue them for obstruction of justice.
>>69205245
NSA
How coincidental
https://www.rt.com/usa/336948-fbi-israel-crack-iphone/
>>69205342
this
even though theyll cry
>b-but muh privacy
kek like we have privacy in the first place. people who murder others in the name of religion dont deserve privacy anyway
>>69205342
who apple? get fucked bro.....our government is involved in one of the largest, most illegal data collection schemes in existence and you are worried about criminal charges for apple? dat fuckin leaf and all its multiculturalism is fucking up your ability to use reason and logic bra
>a shitty fucking iphone
WOOOOOOOW HOW DID THEY EVER CRACK IT?
Pretty sure even John McAfee offered to do it.
>>69205245
>government literally needs the help from a scriptkiddie to crack passwords
>somehow /pol/ is still scared
This is reassuring as fuck if anything else tbqh
>>69205580
government is literally doing nothing more than what any private person or company could do
dumbass
>>69205683
one day, you children will understand what totalitarian really means and then you will know and understand why oldfags have fear.
>implying Apple was ever really fighting it
I imagine a lot of this was to keep up appearances of Apple being SUPAR ENCRYPTION, unlike say Microsoft.
now people can continue to think that Apple cares about their privacy, while they undoubtedly handed over what NSA-kun wanted through an Israeli proxy. Israel is typically used for those kinds of transactions--give it to a jew, the jew sells it to Russia or China or in this case the US gubbment for shekels. All the elites win!
>>69205245
>Sadly, if its a CVE, its now in the hands of the feds which means we're all fucked
Yeah, I'm so worried that the FBI might look into my phone and find out I have a poop fetish. OH WHAT EVER WILL I DO! .........
>>69205781
The only thing that saves us from bureaucracy is it's inefficiency
>>69205860
its fine that you dont connect the dots man. one day you will wake up and wonder how things got to where they are and i hope you look back on your attitude today and remember that you and people like you are the reason our nation will fall to tyranny
The "unnamed third party" is an Israeli company.
>>69205683
>knowingly abiding to the rules set up by a private sector contract = unknowingly being made servile to public legislation no one was ever made aware of
JUST
>>69206034
But I thought your guns were meant to protect you from tyranny? was that just a lie?
>>69205580
They had a warrent, and the guy was a fucking terrorist.
>>69205683
Yes, the private person with international presence in almost every location imaginable, billions of dollars and thousands of agents and operatives. Right.
>>69205245
Cellebrite, Israeli company.
if you have a droid, it's a non-issue
especially running:
https://copperhead.co/android/
apple was stupid to not help the fbi. fbi just wanted some good free press.
>>69205245
They were already into it before they tried to pressure Apple. It was all bullshit
>>69205245
Why are we all fucked?
are you a terrorist, an arms dealer, a drug lord.. oh wait, i understand. your a ped whos scared they will look at your ped files. who gives a shit if they can crack the phone. who the fuck are you in the grand scheme of things, why are you so fucked?
its weird how /pol hates the 4th amendment
enjoy your tyranny, bootlickers.
>>69206980
actually, about $1500 probably
source:
that's about the average cost of one of the machines in the cluster at my workplace. We use consumer-grade GPUs for GPGPU computing.
Which is what you'd use for modern bruteforcing.
>>69205487
It is not about some sandniggs pprivacy but about our privacy.
You break one device, you break all of them.
>>69206473
my gun will only protect me so much.....the concept behind an armed population is that some of them would actually have a spine and stand up and say enough. Its kind of built on the premise that people would give their life for something more than just their ability to exist.
I have posed the question on /b/, /k/ and /pol/ many times: "What, beyond your right to exist, would you fight and give your life for?" The answer I get most frequently is "nothing". The general consensus is that unless their life is in immediate danger, they could not give one flying fuck.
When the constitution was written that was not the consensus my friend. The revolutionaries were passionate and believed that liberty and the freedom of men were ideals and concepts worth dying for. In parting I shall leave you with the words of Thomas Jefferson who I believe said it best:
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure." -Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris Nov. 13. 1787.
>>69207265
apple has helped them before lol, everyone is an idiot
this was staged to attempt to get apple some public favor for various reasons, partly to get people back to buying apple products again because they have a backdoor in them
anyone who thinks apple isn't cooperating 100% with the FBI is a stooge
and I'm not even a conspiracy believer, just seems obvious
>>69207557
>You break one device, you break all of them.
no, but goodjob trying to seem smart
each iphone has a unique hardware key
all the FBI requested was an altered OS so they could bruteforce it without lockouts which is what took so long
which is again why anyone could have done this at home with consumergrade hardware
>>69207457
You lose your rights when you become a criminal family
>>69207508
The NSA is already using 'quantum' computing for code-breaking. Below is a fucking wired article from 2014 which mentions that the NSA has been doing it for over a decade. The NSA shits on every algo you have access to.
http://www.wired.com/2014/03/quantum-crypto-google/
>>69207773
pretty sure dead people don't even have rights so this entire argument is moot
>>69207962
>The NSA is already using 'quantum' computing for code-breaking.
just stop posting
>>69207740
>assuming stingray and rogue OTA updates arent a thing
>>69205580
>our government is involved in one of the largest, most illegal data collection schemes in existence
blah blah blah conspiracy theory nonsense
nice one liberturdian did you vote for Ron Paul :^)
>>69208027
no mobile phones are safe, none of them
they're all remote tracking and listening devices, as every phone modem requires a proprietary blob to be usable on a network
congratulations you've learned something every security expert has known for ages
>>69205245
If they can bypass a password with an exploit, then Apple was lying the whole time about their security. The data was always stored in plaintext and therefore never secure.
>>69207613
3% of Americans stood up, and no one else gave a shit
So your gay little theory falls flat in its face
>>69205342
Yeah leaf, let us give up to our privacy, what could possibly go wrong?
>>69208271
no shit apple was lying, anyone that believes them is an idiot
>>69208356
ever notice that since snowden's leaks that terrorist attacks have risen sharply? :^)
>>69208014
This.
Google fucked them up.
>>69205245
What irritates and worries me about all of this is that the fucking FBI needed 3rd party help to break the goddamn encryption and couldn't just do it themselves
>>69208453
>ever notice that since snowden's leaks that terrorist attacks have risen sharply? :^)
>muh terrorism
>implying security has ever done something aginst terrorism
fuck you, enjoy your Patriot Act.
>>69208602
FBI is not the NSA, they're basically federal cops.
>>69208134
ive known it for years man but keep right on thinking you're enlightening me
>>69207740
"all the FBI requested was an altered OS so they could bruteforce it without lockouts which is what took so long" is wrong. They needed a modded version of the OS because the phone has a feature (that was enabled) that wipes after they input too many incorrect guesses (10 guesses i think). Apple added that specifically to address brute-forcing a pin code.
>>69205245
They cracked that shit months ago.
>>69208271
Top kek, you actually think anything is 100% secure? If there's information stored in any way whatsoever on any electronic device, encrypted or not, there is a way to retrieve it once you have full access to the hardware. You don't even need to deal with shitty exploits, you can literally interface with the hardware itself and access the data you need.
It's just a pain in the ass to do that and the FBI would have rather Apple just provide a software solution for them.
>>69205245
>which means we're all fucked.
that's what you get for using jewple or smartphones
>>69208632
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks#2010s
2010 - 15
2011 - 19
2012 - 14
2013 - 19
2014 - 36
2015 - 119
>>69208699
>is wrong.
no it's not
anyone knows to back the data up before you try to bruteforce in, idiot
>>69208819
your point? would you prefer to live in a Orwellian Dystopia?
>>69205245
>its now in the hands of the feds which means we're all fucked.
You were fucked 20 years ago if not even earlier.
Hell lets make it 60 years.
>>69208891
where would you rather live, the UK or Somalia?
>>69205245
Apple actually unlocked it, they just pretended bitch fit so that people flock to Apple who can happily share data with gov while goys believe Apple protects their privacy, it was all just dumb ruse.
they have publicly pretending that they need to go through court to crack the phone
that they need to follow your "law"
do you murifats really believe this?
>>69208955
I can't fucking believe I'm talking about this with a fucking American. Your founder fathers are angry as fuck against you right now. You're thedisgrace of the white race and of the world. Also, I bet you're the first to bitch when site like /pol/ will be closed because they're "sovversive"
>>69209153
stop dodging the question
>>69205245
McAfee told the world how to do it months ago
https://youtu.be/MG0bAaK7p9s
>>69205245
>unnamed 3rd parties help
Someone is behind this.
But who?
>>69208819
you generally cannot backup something that is encrypted if you do not have the original key, and they dont...the last backup was from 6 weeks before the incident and apple already provided that to the feds. I literally dont have time to keep telling you why you are not correct. goodnight
>>69205342
>>69205683
>>69206481
>all these eurocuck faggots lapping up police state bullshit
>>69209226
starts with A, ends with E, rhymes with crapple
>>69205580
Apple doesn't care about your privacy bro. Keep eating up the jobs propaganda
>>69208955
So imagine you get what you want, and the government has total visibility into its citizens communications, and keeps a record of all the data they generate.
Then in 2020 the Berners nominate an unapologetic SJW who vows to amend the Constitution to repeal the First Amendment so that they can ban anything they define as "hate speech", and outlaw political organizations they deem to be racist. When they get to the White House, they control a government that has a record of every phone call, text message, forum post, email, and other communication that you've sent or received, going back years.
You have to think of any power you give to a government as something that can be abused by far worse people than are there today.
>>69209227
>you generally cannot backup something that is encrypted if you do not have the original key,
>you can't back up encrypted data despite having access to the encrypted data
ok m8
you don't even know what you're discussing
>>69205613
Israel helped. Google it.
>>69209325
I think the government should have the power to spy on muslims 24/7
>>69209325
Let them come. Im ready to die shooting anybody who comes for me and mine. Life is just a sim anyways.
>>69209212
ITT people who can't watch this video
>>69207508
The iPhone's UID and password file hierarchy and associated faildeadly was not compromised by simply brute forcing a string
>>69209298
this wasnt meant to be fanboying for apple and i dont actually have any apple products so...yea
>>69205245
Can Apple sue?
>>69209639
>can apple sue for someone accessing the storage of a phone of a dead terrorist
no
and if apple won it would further solidify that you don't own your electronics you're just renting them you idiot
>>69209375
Read this. It uses homosexuality as an example, replace that with whatever thing you care about/approve of that was once illegal and no longer is
>>69209450
Total internet surveillance would make it pretty easy for them to amass a national registry of all gun owners, you know. Do you want your government knowing that? Hell, they'd have a record of that post, tied to your identity, and, taken with others, charge you with making online threats. They'd know where you go, who you associate with, and when. They could come for you at a time of their choosing. (e.g. "His workplace bans weapons, so we'll come and arrest him when he's there, we know he's unlikely to be carrying")
this kind of thing is something that governments must never have the capability to do. If they have the capability, someone will eventually use it. This is why government surveillance programs have to be fought at every turn. Yes, even if it costs American lives due to terrorist acts not disrupted. Those who would sacrifice liberty for security will deserve neither and lose both.
>>69205245
We need a fucking army to shove this shit down the throat of every dumb fuck who pissed and moaned about the FBI trying to get Apple to do it.
Now the FBI really does own a method to crack iphones. One that Apple isn't aware of and can't patch. Apple could have done it without handing over the crack, but they wanted to be little bitches about it.
Let the drama queens cry now. Their shit is really unsafe now.
>>69209825
>Read this.
no
niggers and muslims don't deserve privacy until they show they're responsible enough to have privacy
>>69209197
Better living in a free shitohle than a distopya, that's for sure
>>69209697
Shitty.
>>69209905
so why don't you go live in Somalia then?
>>69209825
Liberty is a meme.
Let it die, stop being reddit
>>69207457
They had a warrant liberal scum. Apple had a chance to do this without actually being forced to hand over the crack. They decided to bitch instead and now a third party has done it. One whose services are available to anyone willing to pay.
This is 100% on Apple that their entire encryption scheme just became useless. Not just useless because Apple could get in (They still can) or because the FBI could get in. Now anyone can get in if they'll spend the money.
>>69209826
Apple and IBM already gave all their source code to CHYNA
fuck em
>>69209826
Apple is one of the few companies that doesn't run a bug-bounty program (paying security researchers to tell them about exploits first, so that they can be patched before they're used). Nothing stopping them from starting one.
In any case, zero-days are a wasting asset. You really think someone else can't find that exploit? Thousands of the world's smartest programmers the world over are searching for it, and ones like it. Even if Apple does nothing, that bug will come out into the open and will eventually get a patch.
>>69209890
There are no golden keys that allow surveillance of bad guys but not of good guys, or that can be used only with a court order and not by hackers. There are only skeleton keys, which let in whoever finds them.
If niggers and muslims have no privacy from the government, then neither do you. If you have privacy from the government, then they do too. There's zero middle ground, anon. One or the other.
>>69209826
>he wants privacy
>buys an apple cuckphone
Really, what's the issue here? Millennials getting their pr0nz and snapchat dic pics watched by NSA?
Smartphones are vulnerable to a host of attacks anyway, it's not just an encryption issue.
>>69209976
Because in ItalyI have actual freedom unlike you, my dear burger.
>>69205245
Isn't that illegal? I mean companies like Apple like to go after the guys who upload cracks to software don't they?
I wonder what they had to do to crack it.
>>69210016
A warrant cannot compel a party to produce speech that it disagrees with.
The FBI had more than one phone they wanted to crack, if they gave up it's because there's a backdoor
>>69210078
>There are no golden keys that allow surveillance of bad guys but not of good guys,
yes there is
watch niggers and muslims, boom 80% of criminals right there
>>69210090
your government is regularly rated the most corrupt government in the entire western world
>>69209826
>Apple could have done it without handing over the crack, but they wanted to be little bitches about it.
You are retarded if you think that. Apple didn't hand shit over because Apple didn't even have the ability to get into their own phones. Apple has stated this several times and that was one of the selling features of the iPhone. Apple values the customer's privacy and is unable to enter their phone and stated to the FBI that creating a backdoor would be against their stance towards privacy and security.
>>69210139
If they have the technical ability to snoop on those niggers and muslims, they have the technical ability to snoop on you too. You think they won't? Of course they will.
Everyone is secure, or nobody is secure. If they can break a muslim's phone, they can break yours, and vice versa.
>>69210287
>Apple values the customer's privacy
LEL
>>69210303
ban muslims and niggers from being allowed to use encryption
>>69208728
If it's encrypted, you can't do anything but brute-force it. The most an agency like NSA would be able to do here is to use some flaw in the cipher known only to them, but then it usually means reduction of complexity by some factor compared to brute force. You'd still need billions of years to crack it.
>be a /pol/tard
>"its just fur terorist and drug dealer u idiot, they dunno care bout u"
>keep posting hardcore fascist/nazi content for the lulz
>5 years later finally got his turds together and stopped shitposting
>10 years later, apply in an institution/strategic sector/political party
>background check by federal agencies
>SJW in power doxx you for "wrongthink"
>Political correctness deeper in the average westerner brain than today
>harassed by the leftist crowd on internet
>socially ostracized for being "racist"
>job lost
>friends took their distance
>gf/wife left you for his backup plan
>fall in depression
>shot himself in the kitchen
>>69210350
t. mohammad
>>69206034
This.
>>69210330
>>ban muslims and niggers from being allowed to use encryption
You can't tell who's using encryption just from watching the internet. It all looks like random gibberish. You can't prevent just one group from using it. China has one of the world's most extensive surveillance networks, and they can't stop it. For that matter, even if you ban all American companies from selling strong crypto, there's dozens of open-source tools available for free on the internet. Many of which are hosted outside of US jurisdiction.
your plan is literally impossible to implement or enforce.
>>69210084
I couldn't give a toss about privacy on my phone. Just pissed about this synthetic issue. Apple fucked it's users over with this move and someone how got to be the heroes.
I'm personally hoping they reverse engineered Apple's Code Signing Key so they can continue to fuck them for their arrogance for years into the future.
>>69210127
As irrelevant to a search warrant for the contents of a dead man's phone as anything I think I've heard said yet.
>>69210139
>your government is regularly rated the most corrupt government in the entire western world
>implying
and yet, it's miles better than your shitty government.
>>69210510
>Apple fucked it's users over with this move and someone how got to be the heroes.
appletards are equivalent to niggers and muslims, they get everything they deserve
>>69206090
Listen to this man
>>69205245
>unnamed 3rd party
>>69210510
>As irrelevant to a search warrant for the contents of a dead man's phone as anything I think I've heard said yet.
They wanted Apple to create a custom version of their OS that bypasses the 10-passcode autowipe, that did not exist before. That's speech, under the First Amendment. If the FBI wrote it themselves, the iPhone wouldn't run it unless it was signed with Apple's key. Compelling them to sign it would be compelling them to create speech, and endorse something of which they disapprove.
A warrant is not a catch-all "you have to do whatever we want" document. General warrants and writs of assistance were one of the things the revolutionaries wanted to get rid of the British Crown for.
>>69205245
Official Anonymous member here
We're the third party
>>69206090
Yes, and? They have some of the best security and intelligence contractors in the world. They also have a government that probably wouldn't oppose them engaging in espionage against Apple, since Apple decided it supports terrorism.
>>69205847
>>69205847
>>69205847
this tbqh senpai.
If the NSA has a backdoor into all Apple and Android phones, do you plebs really fucking think the Govt won't get access after a fucking sandnigger shoots up a town?
Now go update your iOS you peasants
>>69205443
Pure coincidence
>>69208653
Phone belonged to a citizen, technically NSA could not touch it.
>>69210771
Apple decided it doesn't support cracking its own software. It's not like they decided to deny use of the phone.
>>69210679
If we throw you the name of some kiddie peddlers will you go away? please?
>>69205245
>3rd party
What,they jailbreak it or something?
>>69210679
>the group that /pol/ convinced to DDoS their own IP address
No.
>>69210494
Parse the content of the data, if it looks like random stuff then drop it and notify the authorities
Apple's stance set a precedent. If the FBI could just call them up and get access to any private information they had, then so could other governments. Someone makes a poo in a loo comment about the symbol on India's flag looking like a sphincter from their iPhone. India sees this "worrying anti-India sentiment", adds this person to their latest batch of accounts they need access to, calls up Apple down the block and gets this person's personal information and even their location.
Any bumfuck government with enough weight to be called a government could do this to any iphone user for any reason.
>>69210648
I appreciate going back to the founders for that argument. It actually helps make the FBI's case for using a 1789 law, something Apple and it's media drones had tried to attack.
You suck at this.
>>69210914
Apple decided to grand stand for attention rather than consider the chance that someone outside Apple would accomplish this feat. Now the vulnerability is in the wild, not in an Apple lab.
>>69210977
Yes, now those governments can quietly call up a contractor who'll do it for shekels and never raise any objections at all.
>>69210771
Apple did not support terrorists moron, your government does.
Do I need to remember you how many fucking countries CIA trained and armed in the middle east ?
Stop thinking about the sandniggers 10 seconds and think about yourself, terrorist in Middle East will be defeated, it is a matter of time, Mass surveillance will stay.
>>69211085
>Now the vulnerability is in the wild, not in an Apple lab.
And that's different to the NSA getting the vulnerability how? It's not like this would be the end of it, they'd force Apple to give them the software.
>>69210924
We always seek justice
We do not forgive
We do not forget
>>69210934
Those were pretenders
I got my Guy Fawkes mask from the leader during Project Chanology
>>69210935
That's equivalent to "ban all crypto".
First, that doesn't stop steganography, where you hide content in data that looks to be something else.
Second, and more importantly, that means that everything is in the clear and nothing is protected from anyone. Which eliminates all online banking and online shopping at a stroke. Or really anything where you have to type in a password, for that matter, because anyone can sniff the traffic and see what it is. This includes anyone with a wireless card that can hear yours, if you use a laptop or a smartphone, and anyone who works at any ISP or datacenter that your traffic goes through on its way to its destination.
Ban crypto and you quite literally break the internet.
>>69211085
>Yes, now those governments can quietly call up a contractor who'll do it for shekels and never raise any objections at all.
There's no such thing as a software free of vulnerabilities. They can only do this for as long as the issue goes unpatched.
>>69211085
>>Yes, now those governments can quietly call up a contractor who'll do it for shekels and never raise any objections at all.
there existed such contractors before this case and they will continue to exist after it. Fortunately those contractors can't call Apple and say "We order you to put a vulnerability in your software for us to use" like governments are trying to.
And Apple's PR was right to attack a law that even this eight-member Supreme Court would strike down as unconstitutional. Why do you think the FBI dropped the case? They were afraid of not only losing, but setting the opposite precedent from the one they wanted.
>>69209825
3 on that list is the most retarded shit I have ever read. Do you think that homosexuality became legal when homos started having as much gay sex as possible, in areas that it would be as visible as possible? No, it became legal through lobbyists, protesting, and other legal methods of advocating for change.
>>69211189
Because now anyone willing to spend the shekels could get access. The NSA and FBI would have worked their asses off to keep the method under wraps so it wasn't patched out or countered.
A private company has this. They will sell it to others, and I've got a strong feeling that what they have is a stolen, reverse-engineered, or otherwise compromised code signing key. That compromises everything Apple has ever produced, and will likely produce in the future.
Now Apple needs to figure out how their encryption was beaten before they can try to repair the damage. You can be sure the FBI won't cooperate, and they could still be hit with this again in the future if they do block the method the FBI just bought.
>>69211221
Route it first through a gov approved middleman server.
PC->crypto->middle->clear->parse->crypto->destination server
>>69211504
And if they intentionally put a back door into their software, they would be opening up the door for even more private companies like that because it's another hole in the wall for them to find.
>>69211446
They dropped it because someone came to them and said, we can crack that bitch open AND hand you the tools to do it yourself next time.
That more than they asked for from Apple.
>>69205245
You either get fucked by Apple or the FBI, get over it.
Arrest the people that defied the court order too. I don't buy the story fed to us by Apple that the FBI wanted a backdoor in all phones, if it was true he should have offered to do the trick to open the singular, government-owned device.
>>69211559
A.) Massive performance bottleneck.
B.) Compromising the man-in-the-middle means everyone is pwned. The moment you set up that middeman server and mandate that everyone use it, you focus the minds of all the world's security people on cracking it open. Plenty of those guys do not have your best interests at heart.
C.) How are you going to stop people who write or distribute software that bypasses the middleman? You can't. It's like that argument against gun control, where you'll only wind up harming law-abiding citizens, only taken up to 11 because data and programs are so much easier to copy and distribute than physical objects like guns. Now your citizens have no privacy, and your terrorists still have strong crypto that you can't break. Good job.
>>69211504
It all comes down to the old "build a better mousetrap"
Whatever new encryption methods are employed it's only a matter of time before they're broken especially considering the geniuses and powerful machines at the NSA
>3rd party
yeah right, Apple gave it up through a backdoor
>>69205245
>we're all fucked.
Only retards own Iphones anyway.
>>69211737
>I don't buy the story fed to us by Apple that the FBI wanted a backdoor in all phones
It's not technically possible to write the FBiOS, but only tie it to one phone. If they created it at all, the FBI would have it and would be able to use it on any phone. Remember that NYPD chief who said he had a bunch of phones he wanted cracked after the FBI got the thing?
Once you give them an inch you can't stop them from taking a mile.
>>69211747
How to stop people from bypassing the middleman?
Simple, force the ISP to route through it or just install the middleman in the ISP infrastructure.
No matter what you do, the ISP is still in charge of routing traffic
>>69205664
What are you even talking about
The thing is that they now have a way to get into all iphones whenever they want, for any reason
>>69211942
Man in the middle attacks don't just occur over the internet, anon. They can also occur on LAN and WLAN, where 1 computer tricks the others on the network into thinking it's the router.
There's also more to using the internet than just your ISP. You're typically contacting at least half a dozen servers just by visiting a website, and each one of those could have their traffic intercepted, or even be physically comprimised similar to what I said above.
>>69211942
Do you maintain any compatibility at all with organizations outside the nation's borders who don't have that and that can still use strong crypto? If so, then you have a loophole big enough to drive a truck through. All you need to enjoy communications unreadable by the government is a proxy in another country (they'll pop up like weeds if you enact this, like TBP proxies) If not, then you have to wall your country off from the entire rest of the internet. Even China can't manage that.
So much shitposting in this thread. Oh, wait, this is 4chan and pol, nevertheless.
Anyway, remember that was 5C phone. A LOT has been changed on HW level.
>>69207251
Worth it, however, deploy iOS device with policies that disable USB tethering (backup), disable icldoud backups and your are golden.
>>69208819
>anyone knows to back the data up before you try to bruteforce in, idiot
and anyone that has done chipoff and dumping knows how hard that is. especially if you have to restore every 9 attempts.
>>69209227
>the last backup was from 6 weeks before the incident
not to mention some smart ass decided that changing icloud password is good idea.
>>69210330
either you are incapable of understanding why skeleton keys are bad (if you want to get some idea, read upon export grade crypto and how that has lead to most of TLS / SSL / HTTPS fuck ups we have) or you don't want to understand. are you shitposting?
>>69210084
>Smartphones are vulnerable to a host of attacks anyway
Which attacks?
>>69210330
>>>69210287
>>Apple values the customer's privacy
>LEL
You are about 50% right. Apple does not give two wanks about it. However, since it brings them customers, they create product that that satisfies this need.
Demand usually precedes offers, however if you can create offer before there is real demand and market it, you will make a lot of money.
Not sure why this reached this much popularity.
If the party van really wanted to crack the code, all they had to do is hire a decent developer and make him read through the code.
It would only take a few hours or a day tops without the months of media bullshit charades.
Apple did it you morons, they just didn't want the publicity hit, so they made up this elaborate bullshit to cover for it.
Also I see nothing wrong with wanting to see a terrorist's phone.
>Muh paranoid tyranny
>>69212668
>If the party van really wanted to crack the code, all they had to do is hire a decent developer and make him read through the code.
Crypto is a lot harder than that, anon
>>69212668
What code?
>>69205245
So they finally asked FSB or chinese secret services for help?
>>69212692
Wave at the CCTV camera, Mr. Bong! Big Brother is watching you.
>>69205342
Muh privacy fags are like those retarded sovereign citizens, the ones who keep spouting "I don't consent" when a policeman tries to interact with them in any way whatsoever
>>69212834
Pff whatever you stupid yank
>>69212668
I put a simple word through a 128 bit encryption with a simple key.
5ZN5/xm38L6DU7Ly2ht6ng==
What does it say?
Crack the code, faggot.
>>69211942
The people will make their own isp
>>69212668
>make him read through the code.
You say that like the FBI has the source code of every piece of commercial software on file. Even if they did, cryptography doesn't work like that. Each user has their own random key. That's like giving someone a dictionary and telling them to guess which word you're thinking of.
>>69212871
>Muh privacy fags are like those retarded sovereign citizens
In what way?
>>69212668
/g/ is laughing at you right now
>>69212912
Arbitrary code of immorality and personal elevation applied to government business
They think just because they say a thing or think a certain way the rules do not apply to them
>>69212274
>>69212284
The communication still has to pass through American cable.
Within that cable there is a server that examines your traffic and then forward it to the destination.
The crypto from, idk, terror.org isn't given to you, it is given to the middleman that can read it as standard protocol (the same way you can read a https page)
Then the middleman encrypts the content with it's own key and send it to you.
So instead of:
>want to talk to terror.org
>speak to terror.org
>terror.org answer
Becomes:
>want to talk to terror.org
>plz gov server, can you forward me the contents of terror.org
>middleman contact terror.org with it's own public key yards yards
>terror.org answer
>middleman gov server unencrypt the content with it's own private key and then send the contents to you (still standard protocol with public key an shit)
If at any point the middleman receives things that looks like gibberish (meaning that somehow you managed to have terror.com send encrypted stuff with your key) it drops the connection and call the authorities
>>69212901
Make it illegal or force them to have a gov approved monitoring software on it
>>69213200
You still have to deal with securing each and every one of those middleman servers. The second one of them is compromised, the compromiser can read everything that traverses it. You thought the OPM hack was bad? This would be worse.
>>69213200
>The communication still has to pass through American cable.
The cable's not sentient. It's just sending data from one system to another. The user's computer has no way of telling whether or not it's talking to the genuine server or not. The man in the middle intercepts the authentication and presents it as its own. Likewise, the server has no way to tell whether the computer it's talking to is genuine. For all it knows, the user is signing on from a different computer (which is a non-issue since when the real user sees the message they'll probably just input their authentication and give the man-in-the-middle computer access).
>>69213200
Pretty sure this is exactly how most internet censorship works, and it's 100% avoidable with a simple proxy.
>>69213200
Sounds like you don't know what a VPN is.
>>69213516
>>69213455
>>69213318
The middlleman is where the cable is in the physical sense.
For what your pc knows, the only thing "outside" is the middleman, the middleman instead can see the rest of the internet.
You want to connect to a foreign site? Through the middleman it goes, is like those wiretaps installed in the facilities where cable goes into the ocean, only that they also MITM.
For domestic traffic you could have middleman "boxes" in strategic points (wherever routing takes place, it still has to move through one or more pieces of cable)
>>69206034
>>69205781
Haha you faggots are getting all prissy about this, woo the government can hack my IPhone SCARY stuff! They are going to look at my dick pics and there is JUST no way for me to live without a smart.
Read a fucking book or write a fucking diary and stop being whining babies
>>69213974
A vpn encrypts traffic.
Traffic goes through cable and straight into middleman (because the mitm is placed right where the cable is, splitting it in two), mitm detects that stuff that it can't parse is going through it, drops connection.
>>69214065
>VPN with HTTPS and DANE do nothing to remedy this
Ok.
>>69214170
I actually don't care. iPhone updates their encryption often, and I don't have a smart phone.
>>69214206
Well, if it drops connection, than no biggie. It also lets people know when stuff like that is happening.
>>69214065
Let's change this to a simple analogy for you.
You send a package from your house to a friends.
The package goes you->postal service->friend.
Postal service is required to open the package to ensure there's nothing illegal (they xray and do other fancy shit but let's just say they open it).
What happens when someone puts a nice big camera of the whole office streaming 1080p 60fps to the internet? Well, everyone gets access to see what people are sending.
What happens when someone decides they don't want people to see their gun so rather than sending their gun they pull it apart and send the pieces placed in a way that makes them fit with other objects? It's not a gun so they don't pick up on it, it's arranged in such a way that it's impossible to tell that it's a gun.
It's completely ineffective and it fucks over the normal citizen who now has not only the government but anyone who gets access to the big camera looking at what they send.
>>69214293
>Well, if it drops connection, than no biggie. It also lets people know when stuff like that is happening
Drops connection and alert the authorities.
To make one thing clear, the traffic does not go to the mitm because of software or routing, it goes there because there is no piece of cable that doesn't run into one.
If you were to walk the cable from, idk, ny to the google servers you'll end up tripping on one of such middlemen because they phisically sit between two pieces of cable, there is no physical route that does not go through one of them
>>69214752
>Drops connection and alert the authorities.
Alert them. What are they gonna do? I've broken no laws, and, even if I have, what proof do they have?
>>69214639
>What happens when someone puts a nice big camera of the whole office streaming 1080p 60fps to the internet?
>what is basic security for 500 Alex?
>>69214812
You sent or received a encrypted message.
It is obvious that you were planning something bad.
Do you have something to hide? Only criminals have something to hide.
>>69212692
>Also I see nothing wrong with wanting to see a terrorist's phone.
The entire premise of needing access to the phone was a sham designed around getting broader access to iPhones via a general exploit.
The guy and his accomplice both had personal phones that they smashed to prevent them from being read. Meanwhile, he didn't bother to smash his work phone. With this in mind, can you really entertain the possibility that he did ANY planning on the work phone?
>>69205245
More damaging to apple than if they had just cooperated.
>>69214836
>what is basic security fails time and time again for 2000 Alex?
When world class professionals/a million chinese kids in a 2x2 meter box turn to one spot to look for holes, they're going to find a hole eventually.
>>69214921
Great. Still haven't broken the law. Use a VPN for literally everything. On top of that, I use Tutanota for emails, and encrypt every message that goes to somebody I know that doesn't use it.
Are you gonna argue that I have something to hide because I keep my password manager offline, or encrypt my hard drive? If so, I will simply reply that I am asserting my rights.
>>69205245
Good. Fuck Apple and fuck muslims.
>>69214921
The encrypted message is a company secret, if it isn't encrypted and it got out our strategy for the $100 million business deal going down on Monday which will basically end the deal for us.
Now what, faggot?
>>69205245
>>69205342
>>69209368
Fucking marks. This means Apple helped the FBI, but the FBI publicly announced it was a "Third Party" because they reached an agreement with Apple allowing the company to save face. Damn, when did /pol/ become so gullible?
>>69205847
First reasonable poster in this thread.
>>69207962
Which makes it even more amazing that they didnt think to just clone the phone a and cycle through 10 bruteforce attempts before wiping it and starting with a fresh clone
>>69215133
>rights
>implying
You already have laws that shit on your constitution worse than indians shit on the street, I see nothing done about that most of the time and when something is done it's as effective as a wet fart to make flies go away.
>>69205847
They weren't really fighting much. They handed over everything they could that wouldn't require an exploit. I imagine this is more to keep their image intact and their workers safe than it is to keep their customer's privacy secret.
This thread reminds me why I don't want to browse /pol/ anymore...
>>69208271
It was encrypted, they just couldn't figure out how to bruteforce it
>>69215313
Companies and corporations can get exemption from this because they won't be involved in terrorist schemes anyway.
>>69205245
>Sadly, if its a CVE, its now in the hands of the feds which means we're all fucked.
No, you cucks that use Macintosh crap are fucked.
>>69215525
A terrorist organisation now makes/buys a company in order to get the exemption.
Now what, faggot?
>>69207740
how fucking stupid are you? apple didnt want to do this because it would NEVER end, they'd show up the next day with 10 more phones they needed broken into, the day after that they'd have 20.
>>69208955
trick question, they're both the same
>>69215629
You're a fucking idiot because Apple did do it. FBI just told them they could say a "Third party" did it and save face.
>>69215420
Super neat. I've been using a VPN (starting at the router) for over a year, tutanota for just as long, as well as NoScript, Flash Control, Ublock Origin, a User Agent Spoofer (Rotating every time a tab is opened/link is clicked/page is refreshed), BetterPrivacy, Decentraleyes, Disconnect, HTTPS everywhere, DNSSEC/TLSA Validator, and Self Destructing Cookies.
Nothing bad has happened yet. So, while you are going on about how if someone uses shit to enforce their privacy, then they will disappear, it turns out that it just isn't true.
>>69215592
Background checks
>>69215705
Proof?
>>69215705
I could actually believe this.
Also, >>69215629
is VERY retarded, seeing as how Apple has already helped the feds in cases with over 6000 devices so far.
>>69215787
>>69215783
I don't have proof. Someone very close to me in life is a retired FBI agent and has a lot of experience with FISA letters and dealing with companies on subpoenas. He told me that I'd be an idiot to think that isn't what happened.
>>69215762
>Background checks
Oh my fucking God, Italy are you this retarded?
>>69215762
Which arrive at nothing because they never do.
Now what, faggot?
>>69215852
He could be right, but I could just as easily see it being a third party.
>>69215869
Seems to be. How do you exempt encryption of some traffic going down the same internet, but drop the connection of all others?
>>69205245
Who gives a fuck? If you own an Apple product, you deserve to be fucked up the asshole by the feds.
>>69215973
Without completely restructuring the internet you can't.
>>69215916
Yeah I don't know for absolute sure. He says it happens all the time though.
>>69215976
>If you own a smartphone, you deserve to be fucked up the asshole by the feds.
FTFY, considering all major cell phone carriers (and the MNVO's that rent out their towers) have spy-stuff built right into the hardware.
>>69215454
>feds can't figure out how to bruteforce 4 digit number
durrrrr
>>69216050
Exactly. The dude doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
>>69215748
Wait for the next terrorist attack and Patriot Act 2: revengeance and then we'll talk
>>69215901
No background check=no exemption
>>69205245
Unnamed? U wot m8?
A week or so ago an Israeli company said they could do it, which is the reason they postponed the next court hearing with Apple.
>>69216106
>4 digit number
Could be 4, could be 6, but could also be variable-length alphanumeric.
>>69216189
As I said, background checks don't work. It's the entire reason Trump wants to halt muslim immigration.
The background check returns nothing of value, now what, faggot?
>>69216106
A 4 digit number that locks (or was it wipes?) after 10 failed attempts.
>>69215973
A token/login is required and it tells the mitm to treat that connection accordingly.
You know, like in hotels
Apple can just posess an agent and wipe their notes.
Or hire a terrorist
>>69216138
It's not happening. They keep trying it, and everybody keeps telling these politicians, who have no idea how the internet works, let alone the devices that connect to it.
It won't happen. Even if it DOES, then you get a VPN based in Hong Kong, which isn't effected by US law, and email (like Protonmail or Tutanota) which is located outside the US (Switzerland and Germany, respectively) who also don't fall into US jurisdiction (and, if the country laws changed, they could just move the Servers to someplace like Hong Kong).
You've already lost.
>>69216268
Not on a 3 year old iPhone senpai
>>69216322
Now you're just getting desperate. So, by that logic, encryption will only be dead until someone starts selling the company login?
>>69216318
Clone it, try 10 more times, rinse and repeat.
>>69216398
iPhone 4S has the same OS as the iPhone 6S.
>>69216275
If the terrorists managed, somehow, to come clear of everything then is still a win.
Why? Because they had to spend lit of resources just to get a entry way, resources that would have been spent doing attacks in the old (actual) system
GET FUCKED APPLE KEKS
Obstruction charges can't come soon enough.
>>69205245
FUG
I KNEW THE JEWS WOULD MANAGE TO DO IT
>>69216457
>Clone it,
You cannot.
>>69216457
Yes, because the FBI didn't think of that.
>>69216546
Holy shit you're a retard, they don't need to spend any resources, they're already doing it when trying to enter the US.
>>69205245
>implying the Feds couldn't do this shit from day 1
Snowden said as much on Twitter. They're full of shit.
>>69205245
Just means Apple will tighten their security.
>>69216700
And how do you think they will contact their friends, buy material and organize if everything they say will be parsed as cleartext and the authorities alerted as soon as a red flag is tripped?
>>69217154
You do realize prepaid phones and creditcards exist right?
You do realize multiple levels of encryption exists, even considering your shitty idea, right?
You do realize that your idea is completely ineffective, right?
>>69217351
This guy is a lost cause. Just stop responding.
>>69217351
Prepaid (burner) phones are going to be banned.
And multiple levels of encryption? Hello? Remember the part where if the middleman can't parse the content (cuz the content of the message is encrypted) it drops the connection and call the police?
>>69209228
How are leafs european?
>>69217351
Not for much longer
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/burner-phones-could-be-made-illegal-under-law-that-would-require-personal-details-of-anyone-buying-a-a6955396.html
>>69217823
Prepaid phones are how the poor have access to both the internet and a phone line to get jobs in the US. Any politician who tried this would have a revolt on his hands.
Why in the fuck do I keep responding?
>>69217823
You do know there's encryption that isn't computer made right?
Pic related is a famous example.
>>69217981
>UK
>>69217981
Great, so you buy a bunch of burner phones, and sell them on the street at profit to people who want privacy.
Also, you need to get your shit together, UK.
>>69218047
Another famous example (note, it isn't a computer, it's a machine).
> DOJ gets fucking pwned by apple lawyers.
> Uhuh okay guys we dropped the case.
There's not a godamn thing on that phone and they know it.
>>69218455
If the FBI really cares about publicity that much they would have announced that the Brussels attackers details were on it.
>>69217981
Good fucking luck policing that one.
This is why old people should be allowed nowhere near technology!
>HURR DURR ENCRYPTION IS JUST MAGIC LINES OF CODE THAT WE CAN EASILY INTERCEPT! WUT WHY CAN'T I INTERCEPT BBM?? BAN BAN BAN!!!
Fucking Theresa May once again...
Like I said, good luck policing this shit, I always use burner phones and that will never, ever change.
>>69219113
Until you'll require an ID to buy prepaid sim cards, like in Romania.
>>69217154
>cleartext
This isn't the 90s. Anyone who has any clue what they're doing with internet communication does not send data in plain text
>>69219246
His argument is encryption should be illegal.
Yeah it's retarded.
>>69219234
Unless reselling them is a crime then they can be anonymized just like prepaid debit cards that also require ssn.
>>69219234
There's a massive and I mean massive market here saturated with SIM cards, it'll go underground and I'll just stock up on them, they're cheap anyway, like £1 per SIM card.
>>69217154
use pgp you fucking retard
>>69219000
The fact that they fought so hard makes me wonder if the whole 'three letter agencies never actually collude' thing is real.
>>69218065
>http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/burner-phones-could-be-made-illegal-under-law-that-would-require-personal-details-of-anyone-buying-a-a6955396.html
>'Burner' phones could be made illegal under US law
>>69221554
>could be
They could also lose their 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments within the next 8 years.
>>69218047
>believing that the zodiac letters wear written by the killer
>believing that they are actually encrypted and not just made up nonsense
>>69205245
>broke Apple's encrytpion
Nigger WAT? No, they most certainly did not. They used a firmware exploit to get around the pin, that's a whole different thing. That encryption cannot be broken so easily, even by the fucking Jews.
>>69205245
>they have received assistance from an unknown third party
>unknown third party
>unknown
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-23/israels-cellebrite-revealed-company-helping-fbi-hack-iphone-encryption
/pol/ was right again
Can we do a pic dump? I'm loking for the one where theres cook with the fbi, then a larger man in a suit, then another, larger man that it signifying that obeying here will mean greater control further up the command chain
Good fuck apple and all apple users I hope Trump puts them out of business.
>>69225781
Apple will just switch business
