Just saying.
None of you will be affected by this. None of you.
>>69186639
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>>69186639
This is not accurate.
>>69186932
hows it not accurate? prove it.
>>69186639
Why is the $464,851 bracket skewed?
http://injo.com/2016/03/570817-15-americans-see-how-their-taxes-change-under-each-candidate-lets-just-say-they-arent-feeling-the-bern/
Bernie's tax plan will affect all of us. That's propaganda from Reddit
http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/candidate-tax-plans-cruz-sanders-trump-clinton/
>>69187449
whos to say thats not propaganda?
>>69187833
straight from bernies website
If you do a little research you will find that most middle class incomes will see at least a 2.2% increase in taxes.. That graphic is nice though
>>69187319
>proposed 18 trillion dollar cost of social programs
>Dude It wont raise your taxes look at this incredibly simple jpg
Do Bernie voters have a vendetta against intelligence? Fuck off to leldditt and circle jerk about getting those superdelegates you idiot.
>>69187910
source?
>>69187319
Increasing taxes only in said brackets mentioned in your original image will not be able to fund the social programs he wants to create.
OP is a fuckin faggot
I'll be affected pretty significantly by Sanders' tax proposals.
>>69188060
explain
Trumps tax plan is 15% for my bracket. 75-150k or so.
Why would I willingly vote for a man who will strip roughly $10,000 MORE a year from me to take care of some dirty apes and illegal immigrants?
Do you know what I can do with 10 thousand? That's half of a fucking new economy car.
>>69188130
>vox
>implying thats a reliable source
>>69188198
You're right. It has a very clear liberal bias.
>>69186639
Bernie's tax proposals are insane and would destroy our economy which affects all of us.
>According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, the plan would significantly increase marginal tax rates and the cost of capital, which would lead to 9.5 percent lower GDP over the long term.
>On a static basis, the plan would lead to 10.56 percent lower after-tax income for all taxpayers and 17.91 percent lower after-tax income for the top 1 percent. When accounting for reduced GDP, after-tax incomes of all taxpayers would fall by at least 12.84 percent.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan
This might be true if it's taking healthcare costs into account. I don't want to be forced on Bernie's shitty healthcare
>>69186639
Jeebus fack is that what 'muricans pay? I'm in the (murican) 28% bracket and I pay ~52% because I'm seasonal work in that I make that during a 6-8 month term. Then they "give" me back a little of that. I'd take 28% all day and have much more in my pocket.
>>69188130
>over $150,000/yr
Wow it's really hard to muster up some fucks I give about your situation.
>>69188198
>>69188329
OP BTFO
>>69188549
>rich people are evil and deserve to have their money stolen from them to fund my free shit
Typical liberal.
>>69188484
The OP picture doesn't include state income taxes.
>>69188549
I work hard for my money and I'm not "rich" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm sorry you're not as fortunate as I am, but that doesn't justify draining my wealth to fund a wildly ineffective Federal government.
>>69188549
>$150,000 means you are rich now
150k may not go far depending on location
>>69186639
>$6,470 more in taxes
I'm already out of college and my job pays for my healthcare. Why would Bernie be so great for me? Seems like the middle class is getting stiffed even harder.
>>69188130
OH NO ONLY MAKE 100K A YEAR AFTER TAXES.
Cry about it richfag
I'm not giving half my paycheck to the government. Fuck that.
>>69188793
Do you think you'll be better off?
>>69188549
HES GOT EXTRA GIBBS
OPRESSION!
>>69188828
any other source not from vox supporting this?
thats true, because niggers will only vote hillary
enjoy your third world party full of third world people, shitlib :^)
>>69188675
Fucking this. I worked hard to get where I am and work hard to keep it rolling in. I see these numbers as GROSS pay. I cleared just over 60k in my pocket. I have a modest 150k house in BUMMBLEFUCK nowhere. No city water, gas, sewers. WHAT am I paying for? My road isn't even plowed.
>>69187918
>cucks Sandra Bullock so hard she adopts a nigger
>bantz for trump
Based
>>69188929
Why is it so bad to increase taxes and in turn us them to help pay for things like Healthcare for all, for our infrastructure, schools etc.. with our tax dollars?
Legitimate question not trolling, can someone explain?
I will be directly affected by my country further encouraging an unethical means of taxation
>>69186639
>taxing income instead of wealth
You are why the middle class is dying.
>>69189012
Right here young man.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
>a 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers
That's called a payroll tax, and it takes money directly out of the pocket of employees - not employers, as your favorite candidate would like you to believe.
OP is a fucking amateur
switch partys you dummy
>>69187994
Bernie's tax plan includes a 2.2% luxury tax applied to all tax brackets, though there are some 'exceptions' he says, but they have yet to specify what qualifies as an exception.
Furthermore, there's a ~6% payroll tax that all employers will have to pay for all salaries that will go towards funding medical insurance for everyone. Every single economist and business person agrees that this payroll tax will be passed on to the earner, meaning that if you would earn $10 an hour, 6% of that would be taken away from you (after taxes) rather than have the employer pay you $10, then pay out of pocket your 6%.
What this essentially means is that all tax brackets will see an increase of 2-8% at best for the lower brackets.
Source:
>taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan
>>69188729
I really don't know how to our taxes work, does the state take "income" tax also? Fun fact, in canada, income taxe was to be temporary to fund WWII then was to be abolished. KEK!
>>69186639
>No tax cuts at all.
Lol he can fuck my dick
>>69188929
>$2,000 tax hike on fucking 20k-25k income
Is this fucking real? I thought Bern was supposed to be "progressive." That's insane.
>>69189115
The government is not efficient. Infrastructure and schools are good investments and mostly taken care of by local governments. Healthcare is not an investment.
>>69188130
>poorfag college student here
Don't listen to the shills, you don't owe us/them anything.
I'd be ashamed to force hardworking successful Americans to pay for my choice to pursue a degree. Keep up the good work anon.
>MAGA
>>69188779
Isn't it funny how "tax the rich" always seems to include you?
That's way to much dam tax as is fucking kikes there should be a opt out option for sovereign citizens as myself
>>69187319
https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/
Everyone's taxes go up, private economy shrinks by at least 8%. This hurts those on medicaid the worse because they already have the same free health insurance and will be feeling all of the negative effects.
>>69189115
Firstly, most of what you've listed is the responsibility of state and city governments, not the Federal government. I'm happy to pay state taxes because overall I am pleased with the job my state government does maintaining infrastructure and public services.
I am not convinced that the Federal government (which already has massive revenue) is capable of running effective and efficient programs.
>>69187336
Thats what I was wondering. Thats the bracket Im in so I may pay a little more attention to ol Hernie from now on...
>>69189245
How *your (American) taxes work...
>>69189245
Some states do (Cali,NY)
Some don't (FL,TX)
>>69189115
The government tends to be horribly inefficient in anything it does. This is because the problem is systemic.
The income for the government comes from taxes that are guaranteed irrespective of the quality of the service rendered.
Thus, almost everywhere, government programs tend to be more expensive and less effective overall.
Secondly, large programs are bound to attract corruption and free services encourage people to make use of services irrespective of whether they really need it or not.
Thus, only rich people who can afford a private education and healthcare will get quality services, while middle income and poor people will be forced into overcrowded sub-standard care
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw
See this video
>>69188344
I'm sure the extra payroll tax will guarantee smaller raises
>>69189245
The Federal government taxes income tax, most states take income tax, some states take sales tax, some cities tax property tax (which is borderline theft, in my opinion). Sanders wants to introduce a payroll tax, which is basically an income tax paid by the employer rather than the employee. Of course, if a 6% payroll tax is introduced that means everyone can expect less wage growth until they're compensating their employer for the tax.
>>69188549
>>69188793
This. Get fucked. How are successful people gaining access to /pol/? Leave as soon as you can.
>>69189695
To be fair, property taxes tend to have a much smaller impact on the economy than most taxes. I'd take property taxes over income taxes any day.
>>69188675
Yes you need to pay taxes. The only question is how much. If you don't like it go fuck off to libertopia.
>>69188729
Sorry for not feeling bad about you having to pay more than the rest of us to build up society. If it makes you feel a little better if you work harder you still get to make more money because tax rates are marginal.
>>69190039
>fuck succesful people
>we need to subsidize lack of success
>>69187336
>>69189365
It is from the tax relief act arbitrarily saying "at 400k we're going to make the rate 39.6%", but the brackets get shifted around by inflation so that weird one just sticks out.
>>69189012
http://www.fool.com/retirement/general/2016/02/07/bernie-sanders-income-tax-brackets-how-much-would.aspx
>>69189695
Property tax is one of the most justifiable. It is best regarded as a service fee for the protection of your property rights, which are enforced by government.
>>69186639
I have a better idea.
Abolish income tax. It was only supposed to exist for long enough to pay down our war debt... from world war 1. Then the politicians swore it would go away.
>>69189012
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2016-race-donald-trump-ted-cruz-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-tax-plans-impact/
>>69186639
But a lot of our countrymen will. I might be a poorfag but I won't sell out my middle class countrymen for welfare checks.
>>69186837
I can't wait to be affected by this!
>>69190247
>thinking you can get rid of government programs, ever
>>69190068
Higher income people already pay most of the taxes in this country. Blindly raising taxes removes disposable income from the economy and decreases GDP.
>>69186639
I can't wait for Bernie to drop out.
>>69190306
>10 mil a year
>middle class
wew lad.
>>69186639
Had enough of another Obama, no track record frist term senator with HOPE N CHANGE, redditor approved candidate.
No more, sorry, you had your chance at picking a candidate.
>>69186639
utter bullshit pic
>>69186639
>leftists are so dumb they can't comprehend how economies work
Even if it were true that MY taxes wouldn't go up, taxing businesses leads to economic downturns and higher costs all around. The economic slump leads to even lower tax revenue for the government, so there's literally no point in raising taxes unless you're thinking in the extreme short-term. Fuck off with your ignorance.
>>69188549
>>69188793
So that's what this is really about. You just despise success.
>>69189695
Ok very similar. We pay federal income tax, provincial income tax (which is BS because I work out of province), we also pay property tax and as other anon said its the least of my worries, but I pay this to "own" this land and they do fuck all but supply electricity that sometimes stays on! I'm not rich by any sense of the word, but I hate seeing my money go to dindus and lazy fucks! I was down on my luck and no one helped me, it made me make it myself only to give it away. Also, trudeau can choke on brown cock.
>>69186639
>wanting people to give over half of what they earn to the government
I'd leave so fast if I had a business like that
>>69190456
Wasn't talking about that fake op graph.
>>69190068
I already pay a lot more than the rest of you. My tax bill was close to $50,000. I don't want it to increase by $14,000 to fund programs that will only cause the economic problems faced by this country to get worse.
>>69190040
>>69190213
>buy something
>have to pay rent to the government for the privilege of owning it
Property tax is a scam. Can you imagine if you had to pay yearly tax on the value of your 401k?
OP BTFO so hard he stops responding.
>>69190681
How do you think police, education, infrastructure, etc. is paid for? The taxes=theft argument is true (and irrelevant to the real world), but you get a net benefit assuming your local government isn't hilariously corrupt or something.
>coalberners dont actually know berniesanders' economic policy or what taxes are going to effect them
Everyone gets a tax hike via employer among other things
>>69189152
Fucking this.
They conveniently forget to mention also that this will effectively double the current payroll tax rate.
>>69189222
Nice trips but let me point out that the 2.2% premium (wow, what a hike) and the 6.2 employer tax covers your health care which is likely less than you'd pay now as a poor
>>69190681
Someone has to pony up the cash or we need to seriously cut spending (which will also negatively impact the economy). The solution? Soak the rich lol.
>>69186639
Nobody should have to be affected by a crazy old socialists' plan to try and give out more free shit.
Those who would be affected would have the abilities to find other ways to offset their taxes anyway - seriously, you faggot leftists, have you ever known anyone who has significant wealth? They'll spend plenty to hire great accountants who will shelter their money by any means necessary.
In the end, the burden will be cast on the middle class, Bernout will find some excuse as to why it "needs to be done" and that'll be that. No fucking thanks, that crippled old faggot can take a fucking hike with his nonsensical economic plans.
>>69186639
https://mises.org/blog/rothbard-myth-tax-reform
Taxation is evil. Raising taxes is evil.
>>69190327
Well, not in Cucknadia, apparently. Here we have the second amendment.
>>69190369
I only care about GDP insofar as much as it means employers have a higher chance of hiring me or raising my wages (or as a business owner more people buying my product).
So where have the raises gone the past 40 years even in the face of ever increasing GDP?
I'll take the healthcare deal thanks.
>>69190862
Pay me to protect your land or I'm going to take it from you :^)
>>69190862
There are other tax policies available to local governments. We shouldn't incur taxes for doing nothing. A "correct" implementation of property tax would be a tax on the sale of a property, not the ownership of one.
>>69191086
>The solution?
8% tax increase on every single working American.
>marginal income taxes are the only taxes
>bernie isn't proposing 8million new taxes that are not directly related to income
>>69191181
>I'll take the healthcare deal thanks.
No, you will take the fools deal.
You don't care about GDP but you somehow expect to have someone make a job for you.
>>69186837
This is the type of affection I like
>>69186639
>leaves out premium tax of 2.2% flat
>leaves out 6.7% payroll tax flat
lmao bernie cucks gotta lie to not make it seem like a total shit plan to BernOuts
>>69191181
What healthcare deal?
Sanders will have to pass his universal healthcare scheme. Obama tried and failed to do something significantly less ambitious in his first term.
Then Sanders will have to pass his massive tax changes.
Neither will make it through Congress. You'll get nothing.
>>69187918
>pic
based as fuck
>>69191544
Healthcare is already a sunk cost for employers as a benefit. Those saying the 6.2% employer tax will be shifted to the worker are wrong. This is basically just swapping out the current plan for universal healthcare but you cucks are too shilled out to call it like it is. Taxes!!!!!!!!
>>69186639
>"Speculation" taxes:
What are pension funds?
>"Progressive" income tax:
What is capital flight ?
I'm in the 4th tax bracket btw (network engineer for a tech top 20 supplemented by property management). Yes I'm a loo.
>Increased inheritance tax:
What is the biological imperitave for the family structure to persist?
>Medicare for all:
What's the program that's been the driver of US debt even though it presently just covers those over 65?
>>69191367
Again, show me the goods. Because I have proof that increasing GDP doesn't necessarily mean I'll get higher wages.
>>69191587
The senate is our's this year. This means we only have to work with the house. That's assuming we don't get that too because people hate Trump so much they might just pass on Republican seats all together.
>Martha and John don't have to pay taxes this year because they didn't make enough under Trump's plan
Oh wait, they already didn't have to pay shit.
>>69192065
What is your point?
>>69192445
It looks like he's saying these plans affect the whole country.
>>69192218
>The senate is our's this year. This means we only have to work with the house.
Learn some history, kiddo. "You" controlled the entire congress and Obamacare still didn't turn out right.
>>69187884
Neglects payroll tax increases
>>69187449
>f-feel the bern
>>69188793
Even if we were to utilize the Keynsian model, we would still need heavy private investment, which is hindered by heavy progressive income taxes.
Look up Stephanie Kelton and the Modern Monetary Theory of economics. This school serves as Sanders' advisors, and thinks public spending should an financed entirely by debt. They believe taxation's only purpose is to remove excess capital from the market to mitigate speculation, inequality, and volatility.
Look up Thomas Picketty. He's a European economist who endorses Sanders that advocates for an across-the-board wealth tax and subsequent transfer payments to equalize global inequality.
The man is a menace with no economic foundation to stand on but for those who support Sanders' political bribery schemes.
>>69188736
When the median income makes less than 1/3 of that amount, yes you are pretty well off when compared to the majority.
>>69186639
Nothing is free, cuckboi. Stop listening to false promises, everyone is going to pay for your paradise. The middle class will completely disappear and comrade Sanders will have completed his plan of creating a population completely dependent on the government and incapable of being self-reliant.
>>69192631
I didn't back Obama in 2008 or 2012.
>>69187918
I think I'm gonna start buying some of Jesse James' merchandise now.
>>69192923
Maybe the majority should try a little harder. Although I do still need someone to put extra mayo on my Big Crunch.
>>69188130
God damn right you make over 100k a year. That is some grown ass man shit. Only possible because of the fucking opportunity given to you in America, don't let this libtards take it.
>>69192962
Don't move the goalposts.
I told you Sanders won't be able to pass his healthcare or tax policies through the Congress. You said that won't be a problem because Congress will be "yours." Well guess what. The Democrats controlled Congress completely during the first part of Obama's first term and they still couldn't pass decent healthcare legislation.
What makes you think someone who's even less liked by the establishment will be able to succeed where Obama failed?
>>69192780
https://twitter.com/StephanieKelton
SHIEEEEEEEEEEET.
INCOME TAX IS ALL BULLSHIT. This is not any kind of solution to any of our problems. The question is what the money will and will not be used for.
>>69193174
>Only possible because of the fucking opportunity given to you in America
True. I moved here as a (legal) immigrant.
But that doesn't fit the liberal narrative, so I mostly get ignored.
>>69193116
I know what you mean.
I love that type of attitude.
>>69190537
>money
>success
>happiness
pick two.
>>69193355
I know the feeling. We who do not fit the leftist narrative.
I am trans man and ever since I bought a MAGA hat and wore it to class I have become a leper.
Ironic that the only people who treat me like shit because of my beliefs are the "tolerant" liberals
>>69193378
"Money doesn't buy happiness"
>nigga, you're buying the wrong shit
>pic related
Muh new (to me) old detroit diesel
>>69193378
>money
>happiness
At what point does this become success and why is it impossible reach?
>>69193177
Because Obama wasn't a real progressive or a real socialist. He didn't even have that much experience or time in Congress. He was just that hyped token black guy.
Sanders knows how it works on the inside. He's been in Congress forever.
>inb4 he never passed a bill!
Because if he did he would ruin his reputation of being ideologically pure and would've been attacked today for 'negotiating with Republicans for tax subsidies for the rich' or stupid shit like that.
And the establishment doesn't really like him any less than they did Obama. A fucking socialist has almost 50% of the Democratic vote right now. The super delegates just want to pick the winner instantly because they just care about winning, not about substance or ideology.
>>69186639
el oh el
okay
>>69186639
My taxes are already too high faggot. Why the fuck would I want to vote for anyone wanting to keep them the same when the alternative is someone that will LOWER them?
>>69193947
>Less than 30,000 dollars
>Income taxes double.
Holy fuck that cant be real
>>69188344
>9.5 lower gdp
So we can expect an increase of roughly 4% in unemployment as per Okun's law. Nice!
Socialists really are hellbent on destroying economies.
>$7.50/Hour
>$40/Day
>$300/Week
>$1,200/Month
>$14,400/Year
FEEL THE BERN.
>>69193947
is this real? I knew Bernie was a stupid fuck that has no concept of how the economy works, but this is just fucked. He's really doubling income tax in a tax bracket that desperately needs the money they earn?
>>69189345
>2.2% income per household for full medical coverage
That's still less money per year than obama care and less than medical insurance was prior to obama care.
I might be paying less under trump (I haven't crunched the numbers), but either way bernie's plan is far cheaper than my current coverage and I haven't used the hospital in years.
>>69194449
That's how free college tuition/healthcare is financed. Taxing the poor who can't afford more taxes.
>>69194449
It is real and it is not even taking into account things like the larger tax brackets fleeing the country, or the prices which will be passed onto the consumer. Or the increase in the cost of basic things like fuel corn or coffee after the minimum wage doubles.
Also does not factor in the millions who will lose their jobs when the companies have to cut workers to pay the new minimum wage and taxes.
>>69186639
Why the fuck does this guy want everyone to go to college? Does he not know that 90% of the kids going now have zero interest in learning or trying hard and don't fucking belong there in the first place? It's basically just daycare after high school.
>17k more in taxes
fug that
already pay a shitton in property taxes
>>69194723
>Why the fuck does this guy want everyone to go to college?
To make it more worthless than it already is by holding back intelligence with retards
>>69194666
communism sucks
why are jews always so fucking hellbent on doing it.
>>69190862
>Net benefit
Dollar-for-dollar the taxpayers who pay the greatest amount of tax, and the states and cities that may disproportionately more tax than others, get far back in services than they pay in.
A lot is lost due to
>Overhead/inefficiency/public sector unions/badly bidded contracts
and
>Transfer payments
>>69192757
>http://injo.com/2016/03/570817-15-americans-see-how-their-taxes-change-under-each-candidate-lets-just-say-they-arent-feeling-the-bern/
Jesus fucking Christ.
>>69189152
>>69190205
>>69190301
>fag asks for source, gets several, and ignores them
>>69192445
My point is that economic variables are interconnected.
>>69194859
fug. What are we gonna do? For real.
>>69186639
The United States was able to lead in industry because we don't tax that high.
I don't fucking get what is so hard for Berncucks to understand. Education and healthcare are not rights, they are benefits. Benefits must be earned. If they are given away freely than you get human shit. America should only have people willing to work within its borders. Every other lazy piece of shit needs to get the fuck out of my great country.
>>69195095
Cayman Islands lad
tax free heaven
>>69194666
Mark of the beast anon forsees the prophecy
>>69195341
Or corporate inversions, like Pfizer.
>>69193248
>Mar 24 Stephanie Kelton @StephanieKelton
>Fear mongering over debt and deficits is my least favorite economic mongering
I'm not some Austrian who thinks we should never participate in deficit spending, but it should only be done when there are viable investments in place that would generate a return- not funding the needs of third world nibgle bunny shit skins.
>I say this aware of my status as a third world jungle bunny shit skin
>>69195095
>leave the country with what little you have left; thus ending your business here and unemploying everyone who once made a living working for you and putting them on the government teat that the lower middle class who couldnt flee is now paying for
>>69195341
My taxes go up 22k, and that doesn't include my property tax. I own a 900 acre plot of land outside of town here within the county. I sweat I'll fucking murder someone. Does Bernie not understand that people budget according to their expendable income? I do not have 22k more fucking dollars. I literally will murder a man.
yes i will
>>69189356
Fucking this.
Unlike this anon, I am not pleased with how my state spends its revenue, but I sure as hell don't want some fucks in DC pretending they know what is needed in my state.
I was under the impression that Bernie's core demographic was NEET gibsmedats. These people benefit in no way from this taxplan, they would actually most likely lose money under 4 years of The Bern.
So are his supporters sadists or genuinely enthusiastic about Communism for america at all costs?
>>69190459
Sanders is worse than Obama
Obama did a little bit of stuff in his first term but was overall a loose cannon
Sanders has been in office for a quarter century but hasn't gotten jack shit done
>>69191283
>8% tax increase on every single working American.
working and middle class are already being squeezed too much. We need a major hike on capital gains tax and a tax on wall street market speculation. Like a tax on each transaction which trump SUPPORTS.
>>69194939
He wants us to pay 22 cents for every dollar we make in income tax. Thats not even with all the other bullshit thats taxed figured in. That will be great for the economy
>Lets tax everyone so hard that anyone making less that 100k has almost 0 disposable income after bills. And the employers?! Tax them so hard they cant afford to keep the business open. Then well reopen it as a state owned store!!
Truly a liberal paradise. >>69194939
>>69189308
According to obongocare "tax the rich" meant "rip off anyone with a job." I only make $24,000 a year and my health insurance went from being fully covered by my employer to a mandatory $150 a month. And the insurance has a $4000 deductible, so unless I'm severely injured it's worthless. Bernie will do the same shit, plus make me pay for hipster faggots to get degrees in gender studies so they can write for kotaku. Fuck you libtards, I can't afford to feel the bern.
Not voting Bernie because
Muh open borders
Muh pseudo gender wage gap
Muh man causes climate change
Muh SJW
MUH AUTISTIC SUPOERTERS
>>69195661
They are so simpleminded and dependant on rhetoric instead of facts that they ignore all the tax hikes that WILL effect them (ie Payroll taxes).
They also believe corporations and companies are mythical entitities with infinite money that will always stay here mo matter how much we bleed from them. They dont understand that eventually these people pass on all the costs to you, and will lay off workers based on the fact they will need to double minimum wage and pay more for less.
They literally have no concept how a business or economy works.
socialism is a trendy buzzword that people use to mean "getting back at evil rich people, giving me free things, and promoting social justice"
What they do not realize is what Bernie is promoting is more along the lines of economic slavery than any sort of "democratic" socialism.
They also are shitty at math considering merely erasing student debt and paying for college tuition by itself would literally double the federal deficit.
And they would NOT be getting more tax revenue whatsoever. They would receive far far less.
>>69186821
kek
>>69194355
Not that it makes much difference, 7.50/h x 8hrs = $60/day.
>>69193797
>been in congress forever
He did pass two bills. He renamed two post offices in Vermont. That's literally all he's accomplished. The man is a literal loser that blames everyone else but himself. It's pathetic and very low energy tbqfhwyd
>>69196074
Trumps had my vote because he's the only one who wants to treat our immigration laws like the fucking laws they are
>>69186639
Payroll tax and income tax are two different things, which is yet another lesson in the list of things bern survivors need to learn.
>>69195569
>I literally will murder a man.
make sure it's the right man
>>69196338
You're right. Nigga hours affecting me. Made the count right on my mind, but typed wrong.
>>69188779
Can you post the link to that website. I would really love to see my expected tax "burden" since I have variable income due to a commission structure.
>>69196062
wow dude fuck that. trump all the way. Working class is being cucked way too hard right now to support government pet projects and nigs. We need a real nationalist in power.
>>69196712
>Nigga hours
Kek
>>69186639
Nonsense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve
>>69196973
I'm beginning to think that TPB memes are just how Canadians express shitposting.
Jesus Christ, that old codger is really going to double my income tax?
Fuck that.
That enough is going to make me vote for Trump.
Hell, I'd take Hilldog over Bernie if it's going to cost me 22k+ over the long run.
>>69186639
Just saying.
You and the grasping whores desperate to drag the rest of us down in your wake can just fuck right off.
Hopefully, you'll be repeatedly ass raped while I stomp your jawbones in to smaller, sharper pieces.
>>69197221
Yeah, it hits home though. I see their shoot locations on the regular, had a Donair where "smokey" was selling himself for cheesebugers a couple weeks ago. It is a eastern canadian deal for sure.
>>69190039
Wew lad you liberal cucks should be the ones to BTFO from pol
The worst you can do to keep people from actually improving their personal lives is to make becoming rich a bad thing
>>69186639
This leaves off:
-6.2% payroll tax hitting all workers
-world's highest capital gains taxes killing investment & growth
-Financial transaction tax (which failed in Sweden, btw) reducing value of your investments and driving away finance jobs
-Paying twice as much for gasoline when Panders bans fracking
I could go on. Why do Democrats vote against their own interests?
>>69186837
Absolutely implausible, just like any tax reform ever
>>69188736
That's about 50k over the baseline of being a rich fuck
>>69188675
This is why I despise liberals. You work hard, you take risks, you deserve everything you earn. Is that such a hard concept for these fucks to understand? If someone in my class got an A, and I got a D, can we cut that persons grade in half to inflate my shit ass grade? Fuck them all to hell.
>>69200031
Not if you cut spending, remove welfare programs and get rid of tax loopholes for the rich
>>69186639
fuck you. I'm in the uppermost bracket you faggot and I'm not paying for your shit
I'd literally just work less.
>>69186639
Keep donating money and maybe he'll win the nomination
>>69201184
>can we cut that persons grade in half to inflate my shit ass grade?
Of course.
The logic is that they're "rich", so fuck them. They should be happy with a B if you can get a C.
>>69201399
>I'd literally just work less
I wouldn't fucking work at all.
I don't have to, but I like to.
But I guess I don't have to pay any taxes if I don't work, so...
>>69186837
actually under trumps plan if you're making under $25k your net income will be less, because the tax credits you currently would receive (that amount to more than you paid in) won't exist anymore. So no refund check.
Flat taxes and 0% tax rates with no deductions actually hurt the working poor.
>>69199682
>6.2% payroll tax hitting all workers
Completely offset by removing the need for employers to provide health insurance, employers and thus employees will save thousands in real terms
>Financial transaction tax (which failed in Sweden, btw) reducing value of your investments and driving away finance jobs
40 countries currently have a financial transaction tax. It's not a radical idea in any way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_transaction_tax#Implemented_financial_transaction_taxes
>Paying twice as much for gasoline when Panders bans fracking
Source pls? Large-scale fracking is a relatively recent phenomenon, and it didn't cause gas prices to halve overnight. Also, enjoy no agriculture when all the underground aquifers are poisoned. Also, enjoy the extra earthquakes fracking also brings.
>>69188130
That calculator doesn't include that under both Clinton and Sanders there will still be deductions you could take.
Only under Cruz and Trump would there be no deductions.
>>69186821
Fuck
that joke got me, FPBP
>>69201855
Wtf are you talking about "no refund checks" no shit i wont get a refund because i wont pay any income tax retard.
>>69202092
>40 countries currently have a financial transaction tax
Nice try.
In the same way that all countries have a "military'.
How broad are you going here?
The US already has an FTT, you know? It funds the SEC. So if the bar you're using is "pennies per tens of thousands of dollars" (that's what we pay right now), that's pretty fucking low.
And, coincidentally, is not what Cucky Panders is proposing at all.
>>69202640
under the current system those people are getting back more than they paid in. so it's like 15% more annual income.
Under Trump, they'd be worse off.
>>69200031
Government does best at an 18% tax rate.
Government isn't meant to be everything you know. It's not meant to cover healthcare, citizens wages for doing nothing (aside from the ones they hired), costs of private corporations, etc. It's meant to keep the law and protect citizens.
Taxes = more government money to fund 3 letter organizations to create phony wars to strip us of our rights
Government = bad
Paying taxes to fund said government = bad
It's not fucking rocket science. Also, I don't think the super rich should have 52% of their income going towards taxes.
I seriously have no clue how people rally behind someone with an idea of making people more dependent on the government and giving the government MORE power.
You realize none of these cock suckers have your best interest in mind right?
>>69202910
>a system where you make money doing literally nothing is good
get lost
>Lol we're only taxing every employer out the ass it won't affect you you're not an employer, there'd be no obvious flow-on consequences amrite? xDDD
Are Berniebots literally that retarded?
>>69192923
If you make 30k a year you're in the 1% of the world.
Why aren't you donating your house to african children?
>>69203138
the working poor are working.
Welfare isn't taxable income, they're already not getting taxed.
This affects people who are like, working at Wal*mart, that get paid so shit they are already on food stamps.
>>69202820
Yeah, Sanders is proposing a rate of 0.5%, whereas Finland has a rate of 1.6%.
BTFO
T
F
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>>69186639
>the whole world's problem is that people can't think beyond their own interests
>OP wants people to vote for their own interests
>>69203336
like I give a fuck about people on welfare or walmart employees
>>69203394
dude Mr.bean is running for POTUS?
he's got my vote.
>>69203038
Nevermind, I do know how people rally behind Sanders.
Be told you're the victim all your life and get sympathy trophies for simply existing. Go against classic democratic principles and do a fundamental 180 on everything the left has represented. Free speech is being censored because of feelings and anyone who doesn't agree is automatically labeled some random arbitrary name to create divisiveness instead of being open about all ideas. The left has gone mad and so has the right, but at least based Trump is in the race. It's either Trump or a revolution.
>>69203442
Yeah, generally conservatives don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
That's the problem.
>>69203546
conservatives care about people who work hard not freeloaders doing the minimum to pass by
>>69203249
>Lol if we're only cutting the real-world taxes of rich cunts that definitely won't destroy government revenue and cause an economic collapse
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/23/Trump-s-Tax-Cuts-Would-Add-245-Trillion-Debt
Are Trumpettes really that retarded? Trump is going to add 24.5 trillion in debt KEK
>>69203394
Please.
Don't pretend like you understand the tax you're talking about.
Quoting percentages doesn't prove shit.
Lick Barney's asshole a little more.
>>69186639
What will happen is most of the people in the richest tax brackets will simply leave the country. A national version of what happens in democrat controlled cities full of niggers. Niggers expand, crimes increases, white people flee, government increases taxes on the rest of the whiteys, even more whiteys flee. Now you have a city with a million niggers and not enough white people to pay for social services. Hello Memphis, Detroit, Baltimore, etc...
They never fucking learn.
>>69203780
Basically, Bernie's tax plan will cause white flight on a NATIONAL scale.
>150k
>rich
lol
rich would be like 400k+
>>69203775
>American getting salty cos they got BTFO
Can't say I'm surprised really.
>>69186639
like, this is only the tax that we pay to the IRS. The REAL tax is in inflation, which Trump seems like the only person really capable of challenging something like that.
>>69203672
They're working full time, their job just doesn't pay enough for them to be out of poverty. Millions of people are in that position. There are even college graduates in that position that got laid off from better jobs due to the recession.
Relative of mine's company folded in 2009. He was 60 years old and laid off. Not able to retire yet, so he was delivering pizzas, because nobody wants to hire someone that will be retiring in the near future.
The assumption that everyone who is poor is poor because they're lazy is a shit meme.
>>69203750
Mexico is clearly going to be paying for it.
>>69203750
the rich offshores most taxes anyway. with the new tax rate it's more beneficial for them to keep it in the states. try researching instead of meme politic images
>>69203857
White flight to where? Nearly every country that isn't 3rd world has higher effective tax rates lel.
>>69203933
>Can't say I'm surprised
Me neither.
First Aussie shitpost I've ever seen.
Holy fucking shit, fuck Sanders. You know you're nuts when Shillary looks positively sane compared to you.
>>69203857
>Basically, Bernie's tax plan will cause white flight on a NATIONAL scale.
To where? Eastern Europe and Russia are shitty places to live and everywhere else either kills whites on sight or is completely cucked.
>>69193687
I seriously hate that shit, like fuck people. Let them vote for every they want. You shouldn't have to fit a mold for you to be one thing or another.
>>69204155
>>69204269
As far as businesses go there are plenty of third world countries that would love to have them.
>>69204269
or taxes even more.
I think the one developed nation that has lower taxes than the US is Singapore.
>>69204117
The Tax Policy Centre (a notoriously conservative, right-leaning group) has already done the research for me m9, if they think it's fucked, than it's probs 10 times worse IRL. Anyone with 1/10th of a brain can see that Trump's plan is fundamentally retarded. Bernie actually has a template: Scandinavia aka the place with the highest quality of living in the world. Where has a plan similar to Trumps EVER been implemented successfully? It hasn't is the simple answer.
>>69204331
What about the poor whites that want to escape commie terror?
>>69204081
your friend is working at 60 because he has nothing saved up over the years to support him other than his old age
my father is 56 and has no plans of retiring any time soon because he isn't a lazy fuck
my grandfather is 85 and still working because he isn't a lazy fuck banking on retirement
tl;dr you and your friends are lazy good for nothing shits that don't want to work and got fucked because the world doesn't owe you shit
Even I'm buthurt by the prospect Marxist Socialism being implemented in the US.
Thankfully for Ameribros, Sanders is unelectable.
>>69204428
Don't have a clue, I suspect your second amendment will help if your rights are violated though.
But it's not like it matters, he's getting destroyed by Hillary.
>>69204423
>Scandinavia
Yeah, let's charge people $250,000 for speeding tickets!
You know, if they're rich.
>>69204449
What would you call an actual marxist socialist when you call social democrats marxists already?
>>69204423
>Scandinavia aka the place with the highest quality of living in the world
What is it with leftists and cargo cult social policies? The social and economic conditions between the US and tiny Scandinavian countries are nothing alike.
>>69204423
>Bernie actually has a template
One that you've admitted to not understanding for shit.
>>69204594
Marxist Socialists.
>he actually thinks there's a difference
lol
>>69204594
The nicest things you can think of so you don't get sent to the gulag or executed for rumours of doubting supreme leader.
>>69195827
>working and middle class are already being squeezed too much
You ought to reconsider your support for Sanders, then, because what you quoted is in fact his policy - not mine.
>>69204423
>a country literally no one here knows about
okay
I'm sure their population and workforce matches ours and the situation isn't entirely different
>actually taxing anyone over 50%
you must be retarded desu
>>69204219
Ok, let's break it down.
Finland has a 1.6% tax on transfers of domestic bonds, debt securities and derivatives.
Sanders is proposing a 0.5% tax on domestic transfers of bonds, debt securities and derivatives.
Surely even someone with an
>American education
Can comprehend the similarities. Saying "hurr durr Aussie shitposter, therefore your argument is negated" is literally the /pol/ version of the race card.
>>69204677
retarded
>>69204713
funny
>Hurr durr muh 1%
>taxes people making 251k
uhh wtf?
>>69204774
>Thinking Scandinavia is a country
>AMERICAN EDUCATION ALERT, AMERICAN EDUCATION ALERT,
KEK you cannot make this up
>>69186639
>blue collar workers won't be effected by business fleeing the country
You don't know how any of this works do you?
>>69204429
He had savings but without any income at all not even social security or his pension he'd have been just chewing through them. He retired last year at 66 but even 5 years of having a shitty job kind of hurts when he was still finishing his mortgage.
It wasn't his fault the economy went to shit and the company he worked for went under.
In his situation, near retirement but not old enough to take social security, You're saying you'd just chew through your savings if you got laid off because the company you worked for folded?
Trying to get a real job at 60 would be rather tough, like I said, people don't want to consider you because of your age.
>>69204890
>no refutation
>further proof no one knows about this shitty whatever
Yeah it will effect are jobs when your employers have to pay you $15 a hour and +43% tax. You lazy ass Bernie supporters are fucking retards.
>>69204899
Won't be "effected" eh?
You don't know how any of this "English language" thing works, do you?
>>69204904
you're right we should pay this man $15/hr and tax him less because it's not his fault he had no desirable skills and wanted to retire and never work again for the rest of his life
Bernie is a top lad
Anti establishment and taxes the shit out of them, trump should do the same tbqh lads
Sorry but I'm a poorfag, so I'm going with Trump's plan because I would pay zero taxes.
If I were an Americuck...
Fuck Bernie Sanders. I'm a self-employed, self-made man with a shit ton of expenditure. Luckily, I get small-business grants here so I offset a significant proportions of my costs.
>>69204804
So tell me:
I place two orders, one a buy of $10,100, then a sell of $9,900.
What will I be taxed, according to Sanders' proposal?
>>69204967
Anyone who thinks that Scandinavia is a country obviously has such limited mental capacity that "refuting" any of their barely-coherent dribbling would be useless. Please, go back to elementary school and look at a world map before posting on the internet, you're just making yourself look stupid.
>>69205136
worked great for california. no idea why austin is on the rise suddenly.
>>69205086
employers don't even ask you if you're planning on retiring. They just assume it.
If your Dad lost his job right now at 56, he'd be hard pressed to find another job. Your grandfather wouldn't have a chance at all.
>>69204081
>their job just doesn't pay enough for them to be out of poverty.
If the government wasn't subsidising companies that pay shit wages, they'd either have to pay better wages or go out of business because nobody would work for them.
The free market really does fix everything.
>>69186639
I almost want to see Bernie get elected just to watch the US go to absolute shit.
Plus it'd be good for business as all the wealthy would move their money over here :^)
>>69205195
see
>>69201855
Poorfags come out worse under Trump.
>>69205195
You already pay less than 0 if you earn under 25,000 due to tax credits kek. Trumpy will actually increase your effective rate, as the credits that get you under 0 will no longer exist.
>>69205362
Well no shit I wouldn't get a refund, cause I wouldn't be paying any taxes!
>>69205227
>people like you, whose income is $180,000
