Let's talk about the thrilling cultural mecca that is Kansas.
Recently, leftists have been citing Kansas as an example of why conservative economic policy is supposedly ineffective.
I have tried to do my own research on the actual numbers but have not been able to find a clear, unbiased analysis on the effects of Sen. Brownback's tax cuts.
Anyone here from Kansas able to shed some light? Or anyone at all that has insight on the matter in general?
>>69185544
>Brownback
>tax cuts
Fuck man my taxes have been going through the roof it was at 7% couple years ago now its closer to 9.75%. The highways have improved a lot and I got my constitutional carry. He's also cut a lot from education increasing tuition.
Another point to add, Kansas has been bleeding jobs for awhile because there is no interest for companies here its fucking nothing out here. His tax cuts haven't done shit because the damage is already done people and companies have no interest in Kansas.
>>69185544
manhattan ks here, it sucks here the property and sales taxes are high, I dont pay ks state tax because im a milfag.
Im moving in a few days and happy to do so.
>>69187660
Regardless if growth is not as high as other more marketable states, lower barriers of entry into a market should still stimulate industry. Are these tax raises a political move in the face of public outcry and deficits?
>>69188531
>lower barriers of entry into a market should still stimulate industry
In theory, but nothing is happening in Kansas. Why is that?
>>69188531
>Are these tax raises a political move in the face of public outcry and deficits?
That and the services and institutions Kansans value have been getting cut. The common Kansans actually respects education unlike these radicals of the Republican party.
I live in Wichita. It's growing here. Almost impossible to find an open apartment downtown. Lots of growth, renovation.
Republican majorities in the Kansas Legislature have raced to approve a new plan to reshuffle education spending, hoping to head off the Kansas Supreme Court's threat to shut down public schools statewide if lawmakers don't act by the end of June
http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2016-03-24/kansas-republican-lawmakers-race-to-pass-school-funding-plan
Some Republicans vented about the court. Rep. Marc Rhoades, of Newton, called the justices' demands "ridiculous" — drawing out the word for emphasis — and suggested lawmakers face a moving target to equalize funding that they can never meet.
"You know what that sounds like to me?" Rhoades said. "Socialism."
Kansas Tax Cuts: A Closer Look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xliMwipXoiA
>>69185544
>the thrilling cultural mecca that is Kansas
>>69185544
Kansas is cuckservative as fuck. Lots of regressive theocratic science deniers in the state. The pendulum is probably gonna swing back towards the center (sorry Bernfags, Douglas county isnt gonna single handedly elect anything more extreme than a middle of the road Democrat) soon, everyone is fed up with Brownback and his shit
>>69191076
This is the kind of biased, leftist analysis I was hoping to avoid with this thread.
>>69185544
It's because it isn't conservative economic policy. It's cuckservative ALEC economic policy. Brownback has fucked Kansas harder than Walker has fucked Wisconsin. This is the formula:
>tax cuts for the wealthy and big business
>new spending on behalf of the wealthy and big business
>spending cuts to social welfare programs that the state has made the working and middle classes dependent upon
>act startled when the budget doesn't balance
>act startled when the local economy shits the bed
>lie about everything and blame liberals who haven't held power in years
GOPe OUT!!! TRUMP 2016!!!
>>69191387
>everyone is fed up with Brownback and his shit
Then why did Kansas reelected him? The majority of people like him, his policies, and him holding the Bible high, and then setting it down. Kansas is a mess.
Is Pikachu right?
>The take home message is that taxes and government spending are inescapably connected. You cannot cut taxes without cutting spending, and you cannot increase spending without raising taxes. The Kansas tax cut ignored this reality - and some other important variables - which is why it did not work.
I think Big Boss is one of /pol/.
>>69191657
No idea. I was born and raised in Kansas but have lived in Missouri for the last 5 years. Even the cuckiest of religious cuckservative people on my Facebook hate the guy, don't know why they voted him in again.
>>69192211
Link to Youtube video you're getting those quotes from?
Wichita here.
This place is awful.
We vote based on religion.
Brownback is legitimately making a case for worst public office held in history.
Cuckservative the whole way.
Thank god for the Kansas Jayhawks.
>>69185544
Kansas is ranked 13th in the country with a 4.0% unemplement rate
http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
>>69192541
Kansas Tax Cuts: A Closer Look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xliMwipXoiA
Click "Show more" to find them.
>>69191640
>>spending cuts to social welfare programs that the state has made the working and middle classes dependent upon
How is the middle class dependent on social welfare?
>>69192801
Hmm. Would need a historical comparison. Even then could be misleading depending on what metric for measuring unemployment is used with the increase in part-time employment as a result of Obamacare.
Centipede from Kansas here. Brown back is widely disliked here in eastern KS because he is trying to fuck the school system, one of the few good things left about KS. I do think the local economies have been growing and doing much better but the rate seems a little slow. One of the main selling points Kansas has for me is everyone is nice and I think we are the most competent drivers but I may be bias.
>>69189463
>The common Kansans actually respects education
Why would anyone ever send their kids to public school?
>muh Koch brothers
That's all i ever hear anyway.
>>69191387
Douglas fag here. its pretty shitty going to school here all the teachers cant stop with the leftist bullshit.
>>69189609
Boeing left
Bombardier is moving more jobs out
This town isn't growing with jobs, you idiot
Wichita is a shit hole
Downtown apartments aren't full either, you just can't afford them
Plus, who wants to live in nigger infested downtown? Rich people live in a house in Andover.
>>69192597
To soon man dont bring KU up after a loss that devastating
>>69193503
>teachers cant stop with the leftist bullshit.
didnt you say it was one of the last good things in the state?
>>69193663
I was referring specifically to Douglas county teachers other districts seem to be ok.
>>69189463
Nice grammar faggot
a kansas thread on pol, what a pleasant surprise :)
Democrats BTFO
$486 Million In Growth Later, Kansas' Historic Tax Cut Should Set Example For Neighbors
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rexsinquefield/2015/10/21/486-million-in-growth-later-kansas-historic-tax-cut-should-set-example-for-neighbors/#43f2136f2a94
Any Topekafags up in here? Roll 'bods baby.
Also we get a free Kansas concert on June 2nd. Well the only price is you have to go to Downtown Topeka
>>69194020
You guys can have Kansas City, but you have to take St. Louis and Columbia too.
>>69194585
fuck off you misery scum
>tfw live in completely irrelevant state
Cozy
How can Democrats ever recover?
Seeded With Tax Cuts, Kansas Harvests the Benefits
Unemployment has dropped to 4.2% from 5.5% in 2013, and wages and job growth are steadily climbing.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/seeded-with-tax-cuts-kansas-harvests-the-benefits-1431729743
Sam brownback is pretty bad at his job.
He was able to approve tax cuts for almost all businesses in Kansas. It's nice, but everyone should know that Kansas would have to grow like crazy to make up tax cut losses. It didn't. Businesses that might be looking around the nation on where to invest next will see that the tax cuts cannot last. It's like making a deal with a business. Telling businesses that they don't have to pay rent lets them know that someday they will and there will be a big fight later on where things have to be sacrificed.
Sam brownback has an effective tool to for reducing spending which is to just stop paying money to departments and let them pick up the pieces and cut themselves down to survive. Unfortunately it doesn't even seem thought out.
He said he would not touch education spending while running again, yet education is now the prime target. And now the supreme court deems his money shifting as unconstitutional.
What bothers me most is they stick their fingers in everything.
Because they don't like the Supreme Court, they have introduced a bill that allows the justices to be impeached.
They took away the "teacher of the year" award away from teachers and established their own hand-selected award.
They made it illegal for professors to identify as professors in newspaper editorials...
They have also been moving money around from school district to school district which makes it a headache to pay teachers that are already in the middle of their one-year contract.
They have moved money out of KDOT to cover other costs instead of figuring out a more meaningful budget.
They also want to skyrocket sin taxes yet half of the population lives near the Missouri border and goes there anyway to buy gas and cigarettes (Missouri has the lowest sin taxes for both). recently they got mad at KU because it self-funded a new building without talking to the administration. Who fucking cares?
It's been an example of what not to do.
>>69194755
There's no need to be buttfrustrated. Lawrence was a long time ago friend. We even let you celebrate the Royals victory last year. We're nice neighbors with an air of southern gentry hospitality.
Retail Trade Led Growth Across States in the Third Quarter
https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/2016/pdf/qgsp0316.pdf
>>69195682
Burns down the entire town. How dare you suggest you were nice neighbors. In all seriousness it was nice seeing a Kansas bread on pol.
>>69195682
>Lawrence was a long time ago friend.
NEVER FORGET
Wichita does suck.
Fuck Kansas Star casino.
The Kansas Missouri feud might be one of the worst in the country.
>>69195892
Yeah. I have a rich Grandfather-in-law that lives in Gardner. He's a staunch party Republican that hated Brownback. He survived the NATCO strike under Reagan and is some sort of high level air coordinator.
He was a Huckabee supporter, and now backs Ted Cruz.
>>69196319
The woman and I go to Boonville. We had a bad experience at KC Ameristar a few years ago with two mexicans getting in a fist fight at the bar.
>>69185544
A Kansas thread! I love these!
Can any anons confirm or deny this?
http://pastebin.com/KZT5wrB9
Situation
>small population
>largely white and christian population
>vote in ultra right wing politicians
>don't want money going to welfare recipients
>don't want to pay taxes
>don't want immigrants
>expects good highways
>expects good education
>expects lots of high paying jobs
What happens:
>income taxes slashed on businesses with no associated spending reductions or alternative revenue sources
>services attempted to be cut (Kansas has always been cutting, we're always red)
>couldn't cut enough
>huge revenue shortages
>raise sales taxes
>reduce funding to schools, hospitals, libraries, museums, farm subsidies, business subsidies (they got the tax break though)
>increase amount of state troopers & police
>"borrow" from highway budget
>citizens moving out of the state (net loss in people last year)
>unemployment rate is up! (because people left?)
It is literally a disaster here
>>69196650
>hates Brownback
>backs Ted Cruz
I don't understand. Isn't Brownback doing what Ted Cruz wants to do on a national level?
>>69197105
Also, what are the veracity of these claims?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2014/07/15/whats-the-matter-with-kansas-and-its-tax-cuts-it-cant-do-math/
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/2014/06/13/kansas-republican-tax-cuts-are-becoming-a-total-disaster
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/18/kansas-continuing-economic-disaster-brownback-promises-abolish-taxes.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/07/16/gop-governor-implements-gop-economics-disaster-ensues/
http://www.thinkncfirst.org/research/kansass-tax-cut-disaster-explained-in-five-charts
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/sam-brownback-kansas-tax-cuts-failing
>>69197105
>don't want to pay taxes
>expects good highways
>expects good education
This is true anyways.
>>69197175
He sees him as the best Christian candidate in the field.
>>69197297
>>expects good education
only cuck retards send their children to public school
>>69196953
I live in Lawrence, so i usually hit up Hollywood (I'm mainly a poker player). I have a buddy that lives in Wichita though, so i go there once in a while. Fuckers squeezed me foe $500 a few weeks ago.
