Why did America manage to remain significantly more patriotic and conservative than the rest of the Western powers?
I would assume its because America is a lot younger.
>>69181289
American Exceptionalism?
>>69181289
Religion and Cold War propaganda.
>Americans
>Patriotic
Pick one and only one.
Because communism was farther.
>>69181573
Americans are more patriotic than Eurocucks
Strong military
>>69181289
It's less common now, but that's because we are getting slowly cucked by our government. Once we are fully cucked like those other Western powers patriotism will be dead.
>>69181289
Because our country is actually good.
>>69181573
You may be retarded, but the average American is fervently patriotic by European standards.
>>69181289
We are the last to lose "x" freedom at any given time. Whether by political entity or cucked voters.
>>69181289
American Patriotism is a meme
>>69182152
This. Germans, for example, are thought to outright hate their country (because dey wuz evil nazeez and shieet)
Murrica thread?
Murrica thread.
>>69181289
Because we eat meat more than anyone else check em
>>69181289
A main reason is our Bill of Rights (first 10 amendments to the Constitution), especially the 1st Amendment. This is slowly being eroded via the Jewish concept of "hate speech".
>>69181289
Guns.
They give you freedom boners.
>>69181289
>Kicked out the british empire at it's peak
>got land filled with more resources then any other of the major powers in Europe
>Write up laws and a constitution to officiate themselves and exclaim that they must defend it at all cost or live under British rule again
>Isolated from the world save the Spanish owned to the south and British owned to the north
>Grow a sense of superiority because they think they have bigger balls then anyone else
>>69181289
Negative rights from English common law tradition versus interchangeable magic genie governments granting your privileges which can be revoked.
>>69181289
Isolated geographical borders. But if the cucks get their way and let everyone come in and reap our welfare system, you will see the light of our National pride die out.
>>69182484
>no iced tea or sweet potato fries
Fake and gay
>>69181289
Big cities breed and attract liberalals. The US has less big cities than Europe, so it also has less liberals.
>>69182890
liberals
>>69181289
Choice
>we all began as something else
>>69181289
Really good propaganda surrounding the military culture from ww2 on.
Also, the perception of American exceptionalism. We're also mythologized by immigrants coming here thinking the streets are paved with gold and anyone can make their fortune here.
>>69182529
>British Empire at its peak
>1783
The Pax Britannica would like to have a word with you.
The lineage of modern leftardism can basically be directly traced back to the OG left wingers in the French revolution, which gave way to the anarchists, which gave way to Marxists. This little brain virus spread, multiplied and evolved in the urban environments of Europe as its patient zero like wildfire whereas America was largely separated from this development and had developed its own agrarian-centered more nationalist populism.
This sort populism is all but dead these days (Trump is a bizarre resurgent evolution of this) and the virus of European-style leftism has pretty much taken root here now, but basically separation from the cultural development of Europe and our own little populist antibodies kept it at bay for a long time.
>>69181573
BUILD WALL, PACO
Two words:
Free
Dom
It's (somewhat) still something for which it is worth being patriotic.
What native German or Swede would want to be patriotic today?
>>69181935
There are certain areas of the US that would cave to a fully socialist Yuropoor-style government, but the other 3/4 of the country that still has a surprising amount of balls would immediately rebel and a number of state governments would even secede.
Also, the US government has no way of winning a civil war against any rebels, D.C. is on the wrong side of all the natural boundaries and I'd imagine most of the army would be fighting against the government. The south shall rise again Anon!
>>69183109
Alright reaching it, what ever like I actually care about their history. Cause if I did I might as well pick up a Quron
People in the US get genuinely insulted if you aren't patriotic enough, like if you don't stand for the anthem at a ball game or shit like that. Talking shit about the US(not the government, but the idea of the us) will make you an outcast in many social circles. One thing most Americans don't want to be called is Unamerican. I have no idea why. But does this happen with other countries?
>>69183418
>doesn't care about the history of the Empire
Listen here, Pierre. If you don't like living in the British Commonwealth then you can just giiit ooout.
>>69181289
Because of the World Wars man. Since it was in Europe it basically killed nationalism because the other countries would be feared to have another start due to nationalism. desu I wish European countries were allowed to be more nationalistic since right now you are looked like a nutjob for taking pride in your country.
>>69183779
It is the opposite. Western Europe is like a US university
>>69181289
we're furthest away from "the problem countries"
>>69183779
For whatever reason, America has always had this staunch brand of religious conservatism. Maybe it's because so many of us live in rural areas, maybe it's leftover cold war propaganda, but whatever the reason this patriotic streak is one of the only things keeping us from becoming Europe 2.0.
>>69181289
From the first pilgrims that arrived here to the last war we declared every single time those in charge of Americans try and play events off as moral duty. Pilgrims coming to America? Religious freedom. Attacking natives? Savage Heathens. Revolutionary War? Taxation without representation. Conquering to the West Coast? Manifest Destiny. War of 1812? American sailors being forced into service of Britain. Mexican War? "Remember the Alamo". Civil War? Free the slaves. Spanish-American War? Bombed boat in Havana harbor. WWI? Lusitania sunk. WWII? Pearl Harbor. The list goes on and on. America is blinded by morality because that is what the country is "supposed" to be built on.
While it has done this country both good and bad the end result has been much more patriotic and conservative views than the rest of the West because maintaining an illusion of having "high morals" has always been a huge element of the culture.
>>69182152
>by European standards.
Europe doesn't have any standards.
Not any more...
>>69181289
Jews warped it into a method for using the US as a proxy for Israel, see Perestroika, Iraq War, War on Terror, Arab Spring, sanctions against Iran.
>>69181289
We're not that patriotic any more depending on region. Even if we are leaps and bounds ahead of Europe. And most of it is in name only, very few people are willing to die for this country (Even in the military)
I realized this heavily in high school
There are a lot of south Americans other than Mexicans, that come from socialist countries. They hate America and would bitch and moan about capitalism and all of them were full on fedora tippers.
What really got me was these socialist, who swore communism was different. They were all rather well of kids. McMansion houses, latest clothes, all gaming consoles, went on vacations nearly every holiday. In a true socialist society they would get the burden of redistribution and I would be handed things.
To all patriotic Americans
>Beware the insurrection
>>69181573
One of those America-hating millennials, eh? I used to be just like you back then, until I learned to be grateful I was lucky enough to be born in this great country and seeing my communism-sympathizing professors for the lying sacks of shit they are.
They aren't , we just have real FREE SPEECH still and aren't able to silenced just pressured to toe the line.
>>69185225
It really depends of the region though. Some are like what you described, others are so nationalist they'd make Hitler proud.
>>69181289
Denazification of Germany probably had a hand in it.
Swedes were once huge practicers of eugenics.
>>69185225
what part of the country did you grow up in?
>>69182362
>>69182362
Ew gross
>>69185225
I take it you're not a Texan.
>>69181289
Short answer: The French Revolution was a mistake
The United States is the vessel, a disposable vessel, by which cuckoldry is delivered to the world. Thus it needs to fall last. If it falls first it can't pressure the rest of the world into going through with its bullshit.
>>69181289
We are cucks to State policy throughout history
>>69181647
>>69182152
>>69183273
>>69185411
No, I'm very patriotic. I think you all misunderstood me. Living in AZ, it seems like very few people actually believe in patriotism here. Everywhere you turn there seems to be some beaner/spoiled college kid/nigger that has a thousand bad things to say about the country rather than the positives.
I brought up how America is objectively the best country in the world if you take the opportunities to succeed and was immediately met with smug_anime_faces.jpg and commentary from Paco and Jamal about how this country is awful and they don't care about it.
>>69186151
>t. A fucking leaf
>>69181289
* Guns
* High Test Irish population
* High Test Italian population
* Multiple subraces of European hating each other
* Minorities causing trouble for 300+ years
* Lots of space - no need for strong government presence in the countryside
* Religious liberty and individualism invented here - imposing on others ie: government handouts was fought
* Boston Tea Party was about rejecting taxes and we've hated them ever since
* Conservative government has worked so well for so long it's hard to argue that anything else would be better
>>69185649
Northeast
>>69185567
I was probably the most nationalistic in the class besides a pouter rican kid.
Everyone else is a centrist or can't openly be patriotic.
Maybe up here its different up here but the Mexicans/El Salvadorians/Cubans weren't that bad. It was the Venezuelans and other assorted south Americans. All of them die hard socialist.
>>69182362
FUCK YEAH BORTHER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCGoA-dZBzo
>>69181289
Religion.
>>69181289
Perpetual warfare. Always always always we are fighting new wars for the greater good of our greatest ally ISRAEL
>>69183258
Very good answer.
>>69181289
Because we've made a huge deal over the fourth of july for so long.
>>69181289
Chinese think that the rest of the world are unworthy dogs and genetic garbage. I am not making this up. Chinese see whites the same way /pol/ sees Poo in Loo's
>>69186282
What part of Arizona did you grow up in?
Hell I grew up in fucking Commiefornia and we still said the pledge of allegiance every morning and there were nationalists and pro-nationalist messages everywhere. Where on earth is this place you speak of that decries nationalism in America?
>>69181289
The only fucking Patriotic Americans are Southerners, and even then, the liberal media would try and demonize us for it since they've tried so hard to take our Southern heritage.
>>69182484
>Swiss copy of 1911
>>69181289
Cold War. It was us vs the commies, the other western countries were just along for the ride.
>>69187025
>Swiss
That gun was made in New Hampshire, broski.
It's easy to be patriotic in the best country on Earth.
Because of the Cold War and the propaganda during it
>>69186850
Peoria, AZ. There are a handful of people that love this place, and they're all my friends. Outside of the few people I associate with, it seems like what I imagined California to be like.
Fuck, 8 years ago as a senior, I can distinctly remember being one of 5 kids or so that'd stand up in class for the Pledge of Allegiance in the morning. The rest of the class was Mexicans, or severely brainwashed "liberals".
Feels bad, man.
>>69186282
I always tell people to look up the shit that's happening in Europe when they complain about this country. It's far from perfect, but it's far better than yurop
>>69181289
A combination of the Cold War, and the fact that Americans have a real political culture with political values attached to our identity because we are not an ethnostate and never have been.
>tfw Mudslimes will never fill the gap the Soviets left
I find it hard to think of anything recent to be proud of. And most things of the past are now condemned.
Meanwhile the US is still going strong.
>>69187605
Weird. Almost all the Mexicans in my school would stand for the pledge. Even the asians (of which there were many) would stand. I lived in a pretty wealthy neighborhood but there were a lot of poorer kids at my school, so IDK what to think here.
>>69186282
beaners, spoiled college kids and niggers are not real Americans
>>69181289
it didnt. you allow minorities to march through the streets instead of going all kent state on them.
>>69182362
God bless the usa.
#1 since 1776
>US has a more rural population
>US patriotism doesn't have a racial element, so it doesn't come under as much attack
>government is more greedy than straight up self destructive and marxist
>if you want war you need support from the people
Don't worry. We'll soon be mostly hating faggots chanting "you didn't build the entire country so you can't be happy for your nation" and "muh ebil imperalism".
>>69186282
That happens in literally every country, except Australia. When I was in Australia I met only one guy who said Australia is nothing special, the rest was high on Anzac spirit.
>>69182362
What a hero.
>>69181289
Western Europe was cucked on fast-forward from 1990-2000. In 1990 you could still own guns in most European countries, and gay-marriage was opposed by 75%+ of the population in Britain, France, Germany, etc. Nonwhite immigration was pretty rare outside those three countries, and even then it was less than 5% of the population.
By 2000, that had all changed. Guns grabbed, feminism and gay agenda on the fast track, Muslims swarming in by the hundreds of thousands.
The only explanation I can think of is that we have a constitution which makes censorship and gun-grabbing harder, also we are more religious than yuropoors.
>>69181289
>>69181289
Because western patriotism in the XIX and early XX cent was ethnic nationalism. Germany was for the Germans, USA for Whites, woe to outsiders and minorities.
Ethnocentrism died after ww2 in the West, Western Europe and America alike.
In Western Europe it morphed into the EU and pride of "European values" and general smug moral superiority over the "European model" plus civic not ethnic nationalism.
In the USA it morphed into "muh constitution", "conservatism" and "muh patriotism".
If you told a WW1 American soldier what modern american patriots believe (blacks are equal, and as American as whites, muh constitution and guns) he would not have called you a "patriot" but a retard.
In Eastern Europe we still hae a lot of ethnic nationalism, see Balkans and Russia/Ukraine
>>69181289
Freedom of Speech is probably the biggest factor. It happens to anyone that lives here and takes issue with any of the multitude problems, real or perceived that plague this country. In exploring, illuminating, and protesting, the sudden realization that that it is in fact your duty and privilege as an American, and you are free, truly free, to do exactly that. It's quite a humbling experience.
>>69188766
this desuu senpaii.
the white race was invented to serve american manifest destiny. seeing as there was no homogeneous ethnic identity in america at the time, everyone became, "white". with the opposing nations being deemed, not-white ie. "black". ie native americans and mexicans. slavery came later and black was used as an excuse for slavery but was inconsequential to the narrative.
>>69181289
American Conservatism >>>>>>> Continental Conservatism
>>69182396
Why would the US flag ever offend anyone?
If anything the tone and attitude does. What goes through these people's minds?
americans are (were) doers not thinkers
ctrl + f "Calvinists"
Phrase not found
>>69181289
>conservative
Did you mean backwards? To my utter anguish, the USA is a major cultural source as it exerts an hegemonic influence over the global conscience of the world and to my dismay there's barely any difference between a Nazi flag and an American one. Hatred is deeply rooted in the American culture, which is extremely stagnant and never broke free from latent social disparity and internal conflict. Suffice to say, the internet overall is being raided by an insurmountable bigoted drivel based in pseudo-science and conservative conscience. For every aberrant SJW there's a myriad of vicious and mindless neo-nazis who support blatant white supremacy ready to shut down with vulgar insults and IQ tests any opposition. It baffles me how racism is rapidly proliferating and is not restricted to obscure corners of the internet. Even reddit became a cesspool of cynicism and anti-immigration speech (albeit it does not have any hideously overt racism as in 4chan).
>>69183258
This shit got spread to America due to all sorts of left-wing intellectuals fleeing the Nazis for the USA during WWII, who then took over higher education and led to what went on in the 60s. It's pretty ironic.
>>69189995
Fuck off huehue go play soccer
Fuck off huemonkey A09dpMP1
Not even worthy of a (You)
>>69189995
We should all take a lesson from your vibrant multicultural utopia.
>>69181289
Because America shapes the world, whatever Americans do, the rest of the world follows. America is the alpha male of this planet single-handedly fucking over any nation it wants.
>>69186282
I dont know if we are objectively the best country in the world, I think we were at one point but it has deteriorated into whatever... this is. Then again I live in the epicenter of degeneracy, California, so maybe I have a different perspective of how shit the country has truly gotten.
Thats why Trumps slogan makes sense, we need to make America great again because it isn't so fuckin great right now.
Australia and New Zealand are just as patriotic and conservative as the USA
America has way less fedora tippers though, god only knows how they've managed to hold on to religion while the rest of the west has dropped it for being lazy apathetic cunts
>>69190883
We turned religion into a small business venture. We made religion capitalist and thus it survived.
>>69190883
nah brah. categorically, no. Australia doesnt even register on the patriot scale compared to the USA
>>69191378
>he said from the starbucks in his cosmopolitan city while browsing through emails from his cousins in china
Go outside the city sometime Chang and see how far your anti australianism takes you
Because even though actual patriotism withered and died long ago its hollow shell remains useful to the Israeli agenda.
Its such a big fucking place it feels like the land literally hugs you if that makes any sense. Swimming in the cold Missouri river really makes you feel like a bald eagle, or some kind of an alpha western frontiersman
Idk I'm drunk
>>69183418
Found the separatist.
>>69189418
It's a reaction to the liberal shits that are taught about how our country is evil. I live in the suburban part of Nebraska and it's filled with teen SJW cucks. We get the whole spiel about slavery and how we did terrible things in wars and what not taught in schools (I'm a senior in high school). This leads to the mindset that the country as a whole was built by evil racists and we need to give back all our success. I have talked with people who unironically want to abolish our country's flag in schools.
>>69190622
That's fucking hardcore.
>>69181289
Same reason we're the worst in geography
We're fairly separated from the rest of the world so there's no near competition.
We have a country worth being proud over.
>>69181289
This is probably not what /pol/acks want to hear. But it's because American patriotism is inclusionary, not discriminatory. It's the good kind of patriotism. It's based on the constitution, not ethnicity.
European nationalism hasn't been the same because it's people are homogeneous, and thus it became exclusionary.
>>69181289
Isolation
>>69181289
Are you kidding me?
>>69181289
How can America be conservative, if they are ruled by liberals/masons and republicans(not the party) since XVIII century?
They are the oppost of conservatism
>>69193594
Yeah, I believe this. The Constitution really is magical. Doesn't mean we can't boot out foreigners though.
>>69181289
Constantly at war. Got to keep that sweet propaganda running.
>>69193594
>implying
French Patriotism has always been inclusive.
It's gone now.
Also:
>Discriminatory patriotism = best patriotism
>>69193594
Pretty much this.
American nationalism is civic in nature, whereas European nationalism is racial. This has to do with the fact that European societies are much more strongly rooted in ethnic divide (ethnic French, ethnic German, but no such thing as the American race).
Because of this people see American nationalism as being a lot less dangerous.
European nationalism leads to genocide every 40 years or so. American nationalism is slightly obnoxious.
You can see why one is tolerated over the other.
>>69193935
Sure. But no matter what you look like and where you might come from, once you live in the US, you're American. It doesn't get questioned, and there are no hyphens. It's not the same in Europe. You never really belong as a foreigner.
>>69181289
The Senate system.
The Connecticut compromise allowed more rural states with lower populations adequate representation. If we only had the House of Representatives, it would be a majority rule, therefore the states with the most cities would have the most say in the making of laws, and city folk tend to be dependent types. Same reason why a state with a big city or multiple big cities makes the whole state suck, and a state with more rural areas doesn't suck as much.
Basically city people ruin everything and Europe is small and crowded so everything is basically a big city.
>>69182320
This. I had a fucking Aryan German student in my Government class in my senior year of high school.
All she talked about was how bad the Nazis were.
>>69181289
America is younger, it's peak as a civilization was less than 5 decades ago. But now is already on decline, like Romans, Spaniards and Britbongs. We're all going down. I hope to be mistaken. TRUMP 2016.
>>69182529
>>think
Your entire country is so full of estrogen I doubt you've ever seen testicles.
>>69189995
back when even poor people in south had fucking style. god what happened
>>69194822
Marlon Brando made t-shirts okay public attire.
>>69181289
Because Murrikans are surrounded by only Murrikans.
I can go to Austria and find tons of people who think like me and mostly are very similiar to me.
I can go to Finland and the exact same is the case.
I can go to France, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and I'll find tons of people who think like me and look like me and everything. Not Italy, Spain or Portugal though, they're niggers.
This inherently limits your patriotism. I can't say I don't love my country but shit, it's not that different anywhere else in Europe. Shouting "woo, Switzerland! Fuck everyone else!" is clearly kind of nonsensical because I can drive for an hour, be in Austria, and I'd not really be feeling or living any differently. We're all similiar. Am I supposed to shout "woo, Europe"? That's too broad already and stupid.
So we form our opinions on other things than citizenship mostly.
>>69182439
Obviously she doesn't actually eat burgers. Totally deceiving jew commercial because of that.
Further away from the JewSSR? Actively tried to fight commie subversion for a few years?
>>69188766
So how was that interview with the ww1 soldier?
>>69182362
FUCK YES AMERICA
>>69186580
reading this thread with this as background music reminds me how great it is to be murrican
>>69181289
Contaminated water supplies in the US?
Poor education system in most states?
Good marketing job from patriotic and conservative parties/groups ala NRA?
All of the above?
>>69196806
>muh NRA meme
God damn you're a fucking faggot.
USA
S
A
Cuz we go hard in the fucking paint. Back to back WW wins with an MVP.
>>69182362
I've never been to Europe, but I get the impression that people are taught that nationalism always leads to Nazism in school. Is that true?
>>69186282
Well there's at least one more of us in Peoria so that's good to know, and i know what you mean. People are turning into hermits that fucking hate each other out here these days.
>>69181289
Second Amendment made it impossible for the military to successfully oppress us.
>>69193594
This. I never thought ill of most black people until the freaks all over the news started picking up the racist card again. Damn near every black person I know turned from a sensible and productive member of society, into a jobless, protesting piece of shit. I mean, I know it isn't every black person, but damn if it didn't get a whole lot of them. A girl I've known my whole life started talking about how America's always been like this, and how she can't wait for real change. Meanwhile we were working at the same job. Me, a white, heterosexual, Christian male, was working the same great job as a black, atheist, lesbian woman. The same job. But no please go on about how America just tries her hardest to keep the blacks in ghettos.
She quit her job just to go protest in another state. I haven't seen her since.
Didn't get bombed to shit and have millions of people killed and starved to death in 2 world wars.
Everyone else was so horrified they gave up a lot of the 'patriotism' thing.
Eastern block suffered, but Patriotism emerged due to being under communism.
