>North Korea
How is a country like this allowed to exist in East Asia? Why hasn't China, South Korea, or Japan taken them out?
haha yeah
>>69170666
Because you, Satan
Because no one cares enough that they would want fight the 4th largest army in the world.
>>69170666
For what purpose?
Just because They cucked you?
China uses them as a little rabid dog to pester the US. Also prevents them from having US troops fortified on their border.
South Korea doesn't want Seoul flattened and tens of millions of refugees.
Japan's constitution forbids them in partaking in a foreign war.
That being said, our continued appeasement towards Korea as it slowly builds weaponized and deliverable nuclear weapons will go down as one of the greatest mistakes of our time.
>>69170666
Refugee crisis that's 3 times
Worse then the one in europe
>>69170666
buffer state and no resources
Posts like this make me think you cucks didn't pay attention in history class
>>6917081
Calm down abdul
Because while any of them (except Japan) probably could, no one wants to shoulder the responsibility of getting an entire nation up to speed.
The entire country is either devoutly attached to their supreme leader who they are told is a god or utterly terrified of questioning these state run facts. So you have brainwashing from childhood to deal with. They already can barely feed themselves, so you'll have to supply them with aid for years as you spend even more just trying to get them to a reasonable level of tech understanding again.
Its not that they can't, its that the cost of doing so is more than the cost of letting them be ineffectual dumbfucks on their own. Everyone knows that they aren't any real threat except to SK, and if they actually attack SK then they'd get stomped by everyone else around.
I don't personally see anything wrong with "allowing" them to exist. Historically they have been a tributary state, so they continue to be desperate for independence and "leave us the fuck alone".
>>69171526
Couldn't they just periodically air raid them destroy most of their military hardware? Just for shits and giggles...
>>69170940
yeah, but they're armed with old as fuck weapons and their body army is like old tires.
Maybe if they cool down a bit and we stop demanding that all countries become Democracies, we could be friends.
>>69171939
Because instead of messing around in the middle east, which is accepted now, you're technically bombing a sovereign state. Which is all the pretense China needs to condemn whoever did it. China loves NK as long as they're not actually doing anything. They're like a little angry dog on a leash no one really wants to approach, would do no damage if it actually got you, but the owner (China) has a fucking gun and will shoot you if you attack it first.
Basically China treats it as a regional asset, but turn on the sanctions when they get too uppity. They keep the US busy too, since they have to worry about NK attacking SK all the time.
>>69170666
Lots of reasons. China considers them an ally (albeit one that is sometimes more trouble than its worth) and a bulwark against the tight-knit alliance of South Korea, Japan, and the United States. The cost (financially and militarily) of removing the North Korean regime would be an enormous burden on whichever country decided to take action against them, and they're not trying to dole out all that money to approximately 25 million people (food, infrastructure, etc). Plus, they have nuclear weapons, which makes the problem much, much harder to deal with.
>>69170666
It's a political pawn of China. They exist for Chinese to point at, if there's ever a reason to foment anti-American and anti-Japanese sentiments among their general population. Costs China nothing and costs the USA and Japan a shitload, in political capital.
Also guess what? They'd all starve to death without the foreign aid the US provided them throughout the 90s.
>>69170666
In short, it's not worth the trouble.
If I were an asian leader I would just invade that shit and annex the entire thing to my country. Sure, that would be mostly expensive and there wouldn't be much to gain, but I would go down in history as the man who dominated North Korea.
>China
Useful buffer between US South Korean military bases and North Korea. China allied with NK when NK was less batshit and SK was more batshit. China seems increasingly reluctant to put up with NKs shit. Chinas the main reason NK is a thing.
>SK
The war will never be worth it. Even winning a war would be a bit of a pyrrhic victory because the North is poor as hell now and the south would effectively have to subsidize the north, although most people do want reunification.
>Japan
Their constitution and I highly doubt you're going to convince the Japanese the first war they should get involved with to break their peacekeeping streak is picking a fight with NK to help the US/SK.
>>69172726
Japan tried to do this.
>>69172726
There are no leaders in that part of the world. Japan has no military, South Korea is bound to the USA militarily, and no one can even name a leader in China.
>>69172726
>BR in charge of geopolitics
South Korea is just as bad. Their "ministry of women" & the ILBE enforce an equally strong police state. They need NK so that people continue to be distracted from their crimes.
>>69172726
How do you propose to re-educate 25 million people? Good luck with that.
>>69170666
China tolerates them because they're a buffer state so it's not as easy for the US or anyone else to knock on their back door. South Korea & US don't think it's worth triggering WW3 just to unify Korea under the South's government. This may change once North Korea become a real threat through eventually missile technology advancements.
If Korea were to unify then the North Koreans would provide even cheaper labor than the Chinese. China benefits from a divided Korea.
>>69173126
My fellow south american neighbor, those are but details ;}
>>69171015
>That being said, our continued appeasement towards Korea as it slowly builds weaponized and deliverable nuclear weapons will go down as one of the greatest mistakes of our time.
History will tell.
If they don't collapse and continue to keep threatening people or actually go to war with somebody yeah it will have been a mistake.
If they just semi-quietly collapse internally then not attacking them would have been the right move because it would have been far more dangerous to attack the Kims then to negotiate with whoever replaces them.
>>69170730
T-Tay ?
>>69172589
>It's a political pawn of China.
People keep saying this, but I don't see how. China has been trying to force North Korea to stop its bullshit with nuclear weapons for over a decade at this point now, and it hasn't gotten anywhere. Their alliance is a detriment, as they also have to feed a country full of people that are mentally children.
The only positive is that China prevents a united Western Korea from forming, which is a big deal admittedly.
>>69172438
It's hard to believe China would actually do something at this point. I get that they'll drag their heels now, but when push comes to shove they aren't gonna start WW3 to defend this mess of a country.
I just wish NK would do something nuts and begin a second Korean war already. I read a book from one of the few people who has escaped their political prisoner camps. Fucker was born in there because of shit his family did, was tortured, malnourished, and brainwashed into reporting his own family members when they took extra food (they were executed for this of course). He only escaped by clambering over the corpse of his dead friend who was stuck on the perimeter fence.
>>69172726
Their resources are not worth invading.
>>69171015
This is true
>>69171526
>>69172438
>>69172589
But this is completely false.
For a while, China has been distancing themselves form North Korea. Their relationship is almost nonexistent at this point. At one time North Korea was a pawn to China, but China's government is no longer threatened. China does not want to go to war, but North Korea is always threatening other countries, so China has edged away.
North Korea also has a very strong military. I'm sure you here all the time how backwards the country is, but the military is experienced. North Korea's advisors have been helping Assad in Syria for years. And they even have troops training in Syria. The only countries who could win a war with them are the US, china, and russia. We are also quite aware of their missile capabilities now. There's a reason the US government goes on alert whenever North Korea starts testing missiles.
>>69173589
>Western Korea from forming, which is a big deal admittedly.
It's more than that.
The US military presence in Japan and North Korea is a huge problem, for China. NK keeps that at bay. It provides China an excuse to militarize.
>>69173814
>was a pawn to China
NK isn't a pawn TO China. It's a pawn FOR China. There is an important distinction between those two things that you're not understanding.
Because NK have hundreds of artillery batteries zero'ed on Seoul. If south tries to attack them there will be massive civilian casualties on south side.
>>69173814
The main problem is that's a united brainwash people. Angry. Not at their own governement but at America. The south Korea could degenate in a civil war if the US fuck up this.
It's a myth that they all want to defect to the south. Propaganda.
>>69171526
These arent niggers it will just take them 10 years to get up to speed with South Korea.
>>69173357
And that is the brazillian mentality. Which led us to where we are.
Do it first, think later.
>>69173665
That guy is a liar. Surviving as a baby until adulthood would have been impossible of the camps were as horrible as people make them out to be.
Escaping from the camp and traveling all the way to China on foot without ever dying or being caught would have also been impossible for someone who has been malnourished and tortured all their life.
>>69173988
>It's more than that.
>The US military presence in Japan and North Korea is a huge problem, for China.
Wouldn't it be an even bigger problem with American artillery right on their border? The prevention of a unified Korea is in China's best interests, both militarily and economically.
>>69173357
Stop making us look bad even here fucking pardo shitskin
>>69171015
>South Korea doesn't want Seoul
but, South does not want change the capital and they refused to move the capital to the south
>>69170666
OY VEY! HOW DARE A COUNTRY WITHOUT AN IMF BANK PROTECT ITSELF! ITS LITERALLY ANOTHER SHOAH
>>69174658
The USA doesn't leave just because the threat is gone.
Ask the Japanese military officers.
Who don't exist.
Because Japan isn't allowed to have a military.
And instead is militarily occupied by the USA and has been since WWII why? Because China.
>>69171015
>Japan's constitution forbids them in partaking in a foreign war.
Japan do not need help both of them, Korean War in 1950 is a Just civil war in wartime.
That war is not between foreign two countries
>>69170666
Are you that ignorant? China won't allow it. They want to keep NK around to stir shit up. It gives them something to distract the US and other regional nations while China makes further moves in SE and Central Asia. Suddenly, those artificial islands near the Spratleys aren't that big a concern because OMG KIM JUNG UN JUST TESTED A NUKE!!!!. Or the Maoist insurgency they are funding in Nepal gets bumped off the front page because lil Kim just tossed a bunch of Cold-War-era missiles into the Sea of Japan.
China loves it when NK acts crazy. And when lil Kim steps too far out of line, they can even step in to "intervene", acting all rationale and magnanimous, "diffusing" the situation while another military airbase becomes operational in the South China Sea.
>>69174733
I'm white, I'm from the south.
>>69170666
The other night, o vessel of the dark one, an AMA thread was started by a guy claiming to be a US Foreign Service Officer. His answers led me to either believe him or credit him as following their thinking well. He said the rulers like being able to point to Norks as a great counterexample.
>>69174915
>people die on the streets of starvation
>but it's good because I hate jews
>>69174374
What's your problem, leaf? He has scars all over is body, his height is highly stunted. There's other cases of North Koreans making it to China and either getting deported back or escaping for good. I know /pol/ is full of skeptics but that's just cynical.
>>69170666
>they have nukes
>even if their nukes are duds, they have endless artillery (impossible to shoot down) aimed at Seoul. They can raze the entire city if they want to.
>They have a massive conscript army
>NK defeat would lead to a massive refugee crisis, with some of the most brainwashed people on earth flooding into the SK economy where they wouldn't be able to compete and would be massive financial liabilities for the South Koreans
Basically, it would be extremely bloody (for you), both physically and economically. The Western powers would obviously win (if they went all out and didn't use cuck Geneva tactics), but the end result would be worse than the current situation. They North Koreans are their own containment zone.
>>69175106
no they don't. China has been moving away from North Korea for over a year. China does not want to go to war with the West, but North Korea continues its aggressions. If North Korea ever launches missiles at another country umprovoked, China will not help North Korea.
On the other hand, if North Korea goes to war to help Syria or Iran, China will probably side with them.
>>69176237
>western powers would obviously win
No. Of course Western powers would follow the Geneva convention. But more importantly North Korea has a strong military and the support of it's people. North Korea's military advisors have experience in the middle east and so do their troops. Their missiles are not duds. We couldn't win in the 50's and North Korea is so much stronger now.
The US always goes on high alert whenever North Korea does anything, and there's a reason for it. Don't just listen to media propaganda. Research a topic if you want to argue about it.
>>69170666
There are 2 outcomes for NK, both controlled by China.
1) Military conflict provoked. Both sides take losses in 1st 24hrs, then NK is decimated. China warns US not hold NK territory or advance on NK capital. Foreign aid pours into NK, China pulls puppet govt. out of rubble and NK is rebuilt into stable satilite of China acting as counter weight to US/SK presence on peninsula.
2) China tired of NK fields puppet govt to replace Kim, pushes, nudges NK coup/revolution along, creates loyal, stable puppet.
Ain't NO way China is going to accept a US/SK friendly NK on their border.
China controls this game.
2) China
>>69175842
>He has scars all over is body
No, he has several scars, but most of his body is fine. His face is completely intact.
>his height is highly stunted
Nope. His height is nothing extraordinary by Asian standards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Dong-hyuk
Look under Revision in 2015. He already admitted he lied about a massive amount of details. I'm sure even his revised story is full of lies. My bet is that he was born outside of a camp, and was sent to one because of crimes he committed as an adult. Then he escaped the country and was pressured by South Koreans to make up a huge story.
>>69176832
Whatever, Your country withdraws soon from S.Korea.
S.Korea proud of their military, muh S.Korea is strong. so, no problem.
>>69170666
Because America fucked up
>>69171956
They also have literally endless tolerance for death. They'll fight til their last man.
It's not worth it for anyone, really.
>>69177068
>Chyna
NK existence benefits the US by keeping military assets in the Asian region. They allow them to setup a missile defense net around china under the guise of protecting allies from NK, all while they are fortifying these allies to defend against china. Eventually china will be boxed in and a us preemptive strike will be inevitable and they won't be able to do shit since the US will destroy their leadership. China won't be around in 30 years
>>69177662
hadnt thought of it that way, good post straya
>>69177662
an opinion from south
>>69177658
Laugh now. China will write its own script for the peninsula once Shillary is elected. They'll email it over to her....
>>69170666
basically at this point its just the massive refugee crisis that would ensue.
The north korean people are more poor than the poorest mexican. they would flood china/japan/south koreas workforce and cause massive unemplyment.
There needs to be a slow transition where the government is peacfully replaced, and aid is given to the country for a period of years to build infastructure/educate people. then they could be more gracefully merged with the south.
as if thats going to happen
>>69173399
has there been a total collapse of nuclear armed country? that sounds bad.
>>69177662
china is passive. they've said they're passive and they want to keep it that way. Beijing aint going nowhere and they want a premier spot at the world's table as an economic powerhouse. we aren't going to bully china and they aint doing shit. that said we will keep our presence in the pacific as long as we can.
this country is swinging back to protectionism and isolationism. it's our natural state.
>>69171224
>learning history in history class
>2016
>being this naive
>"... and they DIDN'T even call it a war, kids. They lied and called it a police action so that people wouldn't get upset. It was all propaganda maaaaaan. Class dismissed, remember that your papers on the horrible imperialist concept of America's manifest destiny are due tomorrow."
>>69179382
4nations may cooperate for confiscation, and South interferes with cooperation
>>69179936
>china is passive
so, China uses north as an advance guard for aggressiveness against world
China uses North Korea as a scapegoat in a way
Everyone always freaks out over what NK is doing but since China is so big and people already have an "idea" of what's going on over there, they ignore it
All the while China is doing some of the craziest most important shit that they've done in decades
But no one knows about it or cares about it
While Trump is redpilling some people who listen to his rallies about how China is ripping us off on trade, he's ignoring all the scarier shit that they're scheming
And really, nothing can do anything about it til it's time for WW3 because that's what they're gearing up for
Don't worry about NK, they'll keep fucking with nuclear until one of them blows up accidentally on them or China tells them to stop and they get assimilated by China
>>69181218
>China tells them to stop and they get assimilated
If China says it, China's words stimulate the north remarkably and anger North
North does not believe China.
In fact, China cannot completely control the north
