What are you doing to help reduce catastrophic climate change?
>>69111086
prepping the bull
>>69111086
Nothing, I don't control the fact that we are at the end of an ice age.
>>69111086
I contribute to the slaughter of the biggest methane producers on the planet, cows.
>>69111086
epin copypasta I made and keep posting in these threads because you dumb faggots can never come up with answers that aren't "hurr just google it m8 like a lot of scientists agree but never published their methodology or anything, they just agree so appeal to authority":
Prove it is:
A: happening (which I don't doubt).
B: can be directly linked to human actions like burning fossil fuels
C: post specifics, how the parts the humans are doing is actually significant. Like what percent is our fault.
D: post specifics, about just how fast "climate is changing" since "global warming" is no longer the meme term. I want real statistics like "we are getting X warmer every year and I will have to worry about it in Y years becuase Z happened and is devastating"
E: post specifics, about just why I should give two fucks if hipsters faggots have to move their shitty cities 2 miles inland while I pay for retarded infrastructure that would probably cost more
F: if all of that is all real and shit, why I would care if it's as tragic as the lefty faggots think, when they're all just destroying our countries and children's futures with mass immigration of mudslimes and taconiggers and increased socialism to support these subhumans
G: Explain how wind turbines that are complete and utter shit, cost more fossil fuels to build and transport and assemble and shit than they save over their liftime and only work in wind, but not too much wind so you have to use tradition power sources anyway, how solar isn't complete shit that get ruined by dust, only works during the day, without clouds or fog or any retard with an umbrella is within 20 miles
H: Explain why we should be pouring billions of my taxpayer money into this when it is proven the private sector is many times more efficient than any government grant program or research fund. If a company makes and patents the next big innovation in energy, they will quite literally become one of the biggest companies in existence
>>69111086
By welcoming refugees and allowing faggots to marry each other. Also legalize weed.
>>69111086
I actually went vegetarian.
>feelsgoodman.jpg
>>69111086
AGW only happens in the models, not in real life.
SAVE DUHH H H MANMMOTHS
MEN AN THEIR BIG MEAN FIRE TECHNOLOGY IS MELTING HTRERE HABBITATS
CANADA IS STARTING TO MELT DO U WANT DISASTERS?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I DO NOT THINK YOU DO
>>69111231
Its this attitude that will make humanity go extinct before we reach the stars.. I hope you die painfully.
>>69111086
Im not planining to have chiolren, I own a motorbike. Im semi Neet
>>69111086
There's nothing to be done. Move to a rural area on an island with a cool, stable climate and get comfy.
I'm not sure if the climate change aspect has any weight or not but I think pollution should still try to be reduced as you can see from the smog levels in major cities and the trash in our oceans.
>>69111156
more offspring can only worsen the situation anon
>>69111188
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>>69111204
I commend you
>>69111231
B - there are many many statistics showing net gain in warmth, melting of northern ice caps, increase in lows and highs of temperatures of extreme weather zones all occuring at the same period of time after industrial revolution
C - cbf
D - this one's pretty well known but cbf getting you a link, soz
E - not sure what this one's about
F - if climate change did have the same negative effect as this immigration you should be actively against both
G - wind turbines are shit, they don't even have a positive energy output until a huge time period is passed and that is excluding renovations / fixes, solar's pre good but will get better with improvements, nuclear is by far the best but is memed too hard by idiots who think it's the same as a nuclear bomb
H - I don't think your taxpayer money is worth billions, maybe in the thousands or tens of thousands, of which a tiny bit would go to it - but, I wouldn't be able to give you a layout on what improvements or taxpayer money should be allocated as cbf
>>69111352
Same. It wasn't hard at all either
Remembering that polar bears can swim
>>69111491
well you really answered his questions friendo
>>69111086
I started throwing my recyclables in the garbage bin.
>>69111924
they can only catch their prey on land unfortunately, seals too slippery
>>69111086
Killing myself so my driving doesn't put out more greenhouse gas and I'll no longer make any trash.
>>69111884
I didn't know Australians can decide how the climate fluctuates. How do you and your abo friends intend to reverse the irreversible? Build a giant fridge?
Designing and constructing offshore structures in the Arctic areas. Making sure we humans got energy and habitable places in inhosoitable climate conditions. Nature doesnot discriminate, it don't got no feelings. You got to think of ways to adapt to changing conditions. The current ideas to combate climate change are based on incomplete climate models, donot take a lot of factors into account. We gotta innovate and try to find new sources of energy like nuclear fusion reactor. Donate to research involving this rather than fund eco-terrorists and stupid green politicians who don't even understand the consequences of what they are proposing. Solar, Wind are heavily dependent on the location parameters and power storage capabilities. Mass proliferation of such technologies will lead to additional unforeseen problems (resource shortages, mining pollution) and bottlenecks. And OP you are a faget. Adapt or go extinct bitch
>>69112076
Every single sentient being has the capability of increasing or decreasing the production of greenhouse gases.
>>69112214
I'll be sure to tell that to my great-great-great... children when the next cycle starts :^)
>>69112413
thankyou, you are a wise man to pass on valuable information
>>69111086
>>69111086
Buying plastic.
Burning gas.
Fighting for more GMO'S
Trying to convince people to stop believing in a State morality.
>>69111884
>B - there are many many statistics showing
SHOW THEM
>C - cbf
I have no idea what this means.
>D - this one's pretty well known
Appeal to authority. Show proofs.
>F - if climate change did have the same negative effect as this immigration you should be actively against both
I'm against the one I can prove.
>G -
I agree with the first two. The technology will get better with time, but for now, I don't think we should pour public taxpayer money into a shit technology. We need to make them more efficient before we consider doing that. And with nuclear, I'm on board. Let's do it, friend. Shift focus there.
>H -
Still have no idea what cbf means, but to address your point: whatever amount of my personal tax dollars (if you want to break it out like that), goes to green energy and all that is irrelevant to me. If I personally only paid some giant company $6 over my entire lifetime to research and innovate green energy, that's $6 too much. We need to step back and let the free market, which is proven to be the best system in innovation and technology reform, take over. Government is shit and inefficient. Throwing money at a problem won't solve it.
And has anyone stepped back realized we will burn that oil regardless of if we develop an alternative? We aren't just going to switch to green energy overnight. If it's worth it to burn that oil, we will. So we are still going to burn roughly the same amount of fossil fuels regardless of if we actually have an alternative when we run out. People are focused on the environment more than they are how the economy and our way of life will be if we don't have an alternative energy source when we run out of fossil fuels.
>>69112413
>Being this retarded
>posting a graph that literally proves the point I'm trying to dispute
CO2 is at 400 ppm and rising as of this year because of fossil fuels. Higher than it's been in over 400,000 years according to your graph.
>Humans aren't having an impact
>>69112413
>data from 400000 years ago
>>69111086
>What are you doing to help reduce catastrophic climate change?
>>69111086
Why the fuck should I compromise my lifestyle which I worked hard for? I earned every penny through hard work and many years in school, and I don't intend to let some liberals dictate what I can and can't do
I have my friends, my gf and my senpai. Everybody else ans their opinions don't matter
>>69111345
>welcoming refugees and allowing faggots to marry each other. Also legalize weed.
>>69111086
>catastrophic
This word you keep using...
>>69112793
pt 1/2
cbf = can't be fucked
>B - there are many many statistics showing
SHOW THEM
>D - this one's pretty well known
Appeal to authority. Show proofs.
Their are honestly a lot for both but I'll concede it because I don't want to find them
>F - if climate change did have the same negative effect as this immigration you should be actively against both
I'm against the one I can prove.
Hence, 'if it did', because you said 'if all of this is real'.
>G -
I agree with the first two. The technology will get better with time, but for now, I don't think we should pour public taxpayer money into a shit technology. We need to make them more efficient before we consider doing that. And with nuclear, I'm on board. Let's do it, friend. Shift focus there.
>me not giving a fuck about my great great great great great great grandchildren
>tfw you realize you're on this planet for a microsecond, relatively and your impact is miniscule
>>69113048
Climate change BTFO.
I used to think climate change was an issue, but look at all that ice they tell us has melted. Argument literally decimated.
>>69111884
>B - there are many many statistics showing net gain in warmth, melting of northern ice caps, increase in lows and highs of temperatures of extreme weather zones all occuring at the same period of time after industrial revolution
Need I spell out the fallacy you are falling prey to here? Pic related.
When did you outgrow global warming? It's like believing fairies and gods.
>>69111086
Polar bear populations have been increasing since we stopped hunting them.
>>69111086
I burn 1 gallon oil daily in my backyard for no reason
>>69111479
>BIG MEAN FIRE TECHNOLOGY IS MELTING HTRERE HABBITATS
I can only stand to benefit from the changes.
>>69113146
'involving or causing sudden great damage or suffering.'
this is generally what you would attempt to minimise.
>>69112793
pt 2/2
>H -
Still have no idea what cbf means, but to address your point: whatever amount of my personal tax dollars (if you want to break it out like that), goes to green energy and all that is irrelevant to me. If I personally only paid some giant company $6 over my entire lifetime to research and innovate green energy, that's $6 too much. We need to step back and let the free market, which is proven to be the best system in innovation and technology reform, take over. Government is shit and inefficient. Throwing money at a problem won't solve it.
And has anyone stepped back realized we will burn that oil regardless of if we develop an alternative? We aren't just going to switch to green energy overnight. If it's worth it to burn that oil, we will. So we are still going to burn roughly the same amount of fossil fuels regardless of if we actually have an alternative when we run out. People are focused on the environment more than they are how the economy and our way of life will be if we don't have an alternative energy source when we run out of fossil fuels.
Interesting second point, although I believe one of the attributes of greenhouse gases is that they tend to 'stick' and persevere for longer when in higher doses, rather than in a longer, weaker stream. Also I neither agree or disagree with the free market / government taxation government, I'm not informed enough to make a call.
Why should a poor fag care about climate change?
>>69111491
>this attitude that will make humanity go extinct before we reach the stars.
Thank Gawd for the rest of the Universe.
>>69111491
>CANADA IS STARTING TO MELT
>>69112793
Let me know when I lose you and I'll try to find some data
1.carbon dioxide and methane are greenhouse gases (absorb more infrared than visible light) (this is basic physics)
2. Burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide
3. Humans have been burning a lot of fossil fuels
4. Carbon dioxide levels have been increasing
5. Temperatures have been increasing
6. Scientists can't find anything else that might be causing the temperature increase (Orbits, solar activity et cetera are all stable)
Once you accept all that, you're into the murky territory of what the impact will be and what should be done. It's hard to predict exactly the impact but we know that with 1° of temperature rise we are seeing melting ice, more droughts, bigger storms across the world. Most politicians see this as something we should stop if we can. Personally I think it's far too late to do anything about it with 200,000 more people being born every day
>>69111884
>more offspring can only worsen the situation anon
>>69111231
H. the private sector is not concerned with the well being of its consumers just as long as they keep the market going at the expense of their health. as a smoker i really wish you were leading the argument to a good point, but in reality the tobacco industry of the private sector doesnt care about me as long as i keep smoking.
the private sector wanted to sell you "leaded gasoline" too once. it cant be left up to profits to be the sole reason for the direction of humanity
>>69113290
>correlation does not equal causation xxxdddd
Yeah senpai I left your mum's house after eating some delicious cookies ;)
1) Greenhouse gases cause climate change
2) Industry and increase in human complexity is shown to produce huge quantities of greenhouse gases
3) net warmth, extreme weather etc all occuring at same time from huge increase in industry and human complexity
C) CORRELATION NOT CAUSATION GET OUTTA HERE FALLLACY FALLACY!
>>69112413
Looks like the temperature change is influencing the CO2.
The "years" scale seems a bit off too to make the data correlate more.
Send the cuddly Polar Bears to Antarctica. Plenty of land to live on if the ice melts and millions of penguins to eat. Problem solved.
>>69111086
nothing short of killing yourself is gonna make a difference
>>69112853
>CO2 is at 400 ppm and rising as of this year because of fossil fuels. Higher than it's been in over 400,000 years according to your graph.
>>69113949
is this being posted ironically?
>>69111086
Advocating for population decrease in third world and developing countries.
>>69113364
>I burn 1 gallon oil daily in my backyard for no reason
By consuming meat. If the UN wants to fix the issue they can start with livestock which contributes a large majority of methane to the environment.
This is the only graph you need to pay attention to, anybody who thinks this is even remotely sustainable is fucking delusional
>>69114051
>is this being posted ironically?
>>69111086
Here's hoping global warming drowns all of Canada.
nothing since i want to see the planet destroy it self
>>69114231
hehe
>>69114338
edgy
>>69113249
>>69113425
Appreciate the discourse, Straya. Normally I'd call ya a cunt, but you are actually willing to talk instead of shitposting.
>>69113670
You lost me when you assumed the link between human interactions directly caused all that, and at what percent (if global warming is a natural cycle and humans are contributing virtually nothing to the warming of the earth at this point).
>>69113688
>H. the private sector is not concerned with the well being of its consumers
I agree.
>as a smoker
As a smoker you might see the efficiency of the private sector considering all the vapefags and how well the vape industry is doing at taking away customers from the cigarette industry. Kinda like how if some random faggot came up with a viable and cheap green energy alternative, the masses would naturally migrate.
>it cant be left up to profits to be the sole reason for the direction of humanity
And what should it be left up to? The government? Why should I trust the government to make my decisions for me? Why shouldn't I be free to do so myself? What retard is the head of whatever retarded Department that makes these decisions? How is he trustworthy?
>>69111086
Not visit African or Islamic countries.
>>69112139
im considering voting green. are the green politicians really that dumb?
>>69114658
>tfw greens and all parties in Australia are steadfastly anti-nuclear, Greens from retard ideology, Liberal and Labor from mining $$$ (Labor from retarded ideology also)
Feels bad man
>>69114051
>ironically
Just like your thread, slider.
>>69114942
not really though, I wanted to see /pol/'s reaction and http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-28/great-barrier-reef-coral-bleaching-95-per-cent-north-section/7279338?fb_action_ids=1096605077026938&fb_action_types=og.shares
made me sad
>>69114604
Choose one,
>humans aren't causing increased CO2 levels
>increased CO2 levels aren't causing increased temperature
If it's the first then I'd say you're an idiot. If it's the second then I can find graphs to show an incredibly strong correlation. Granted that doesn't necessarily mean causation but in scientific terms a strong correlation, a theoretical explanation and no credible alternative explanation means it's pretty likely to be true.
>>69114604
>>69114604
correlation
Not believe, don't care, .... all predictions are 50 to 100 years out therfore can't be disproved. In 70s. I can age a coming. In the 80s acid rain is a coming. 2000s global warming is a coming, now it's climate change is a coming. All I believe is the government and tax man is a coming for sure.....
>>69115134
At what percent are the humans contributing, how fast is this all coming to bear, and why should I give a shit considering the West will be a shitty place in the future anyway thanks to mass immigration? Fuck it, let it all burn if my children's children's life will be utter dystopian hell.
But address the first two points, please.
>>69115382
Proofs? Source? How did they even gauge thousands of years ago? What the fuck does parts per million mean? In the air? In the soil(which is where I'm assuming they got their samples)? In the ice? All around average? That's extremely vague. How can they honestly back that shit up?
>>69115468
Bullshit. How do you even gauge "global average temperature"? At what physical points do you take your data? Are there a bunch of buoys floating out in the middle of the ocean that they take their data from? Do they take several samples? When did they start? How can they extrapolate that? Also: Correlation is not causation. Prove the link between the two.
>>69114604
>And what should it be left up to?
this is always the wall thats eventually hit when i have these arguments. usually im able to communicate reasons why profit driven structures ignore things like the health of a individual or a planet. no one ever attacks my argument but turns on me and say "oh yeah? if your so smart you solve the problem then" I'm not trying to argue what we should do, im arguing what were doing now isn't going to work in the future. i will continue to smoke but individuals die so no difference there. is humanity supposed to die also?
>>69115925
>Fear mongering predictions made by mass media
>relevant
>>69115925
Taxing carbon is cutting right to the chase because it's the element of life. Control carbon, control life. To control carbon, invent a carbon based religion, enter AGW and indoctrinate the children.
>>69114212
Acid rain has massively increased that prediction has been proven true
>>69116051
1. Humans are contributing 100%, there's nothing else releasing extra CO2 into the atmosphere
2. Very hard to know how fast it's coming to bear.
3. Whether you care is another matter and completely irrelevant to whether it's happening or not.
4. Parts per million is the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere
5. There are boys floating in the middle of the ocean and weather stations all across the globe, they take as many samples as possible and average them.
6. Temperature and CO2 data from thousands of years ago comes from ice/soil cores, which contain bubbles of air from when the ice was laid down. So for example if you drill 100 feet down, you carbon date the ice to find out how old it is and then measure the levels of gases in the bubbles which tells you what the temperature was and the CO2 level. This has been done thousands of times all across the globe and averaged.
I accept the correlation isn't causation, but the correlation is very strong
>>69111086
You can't stop it
>>69111086
Hol up, I'ma just go shut down the fossil-fuel power stations in China that are polluting the planet more than SJWs.
>>69116107
>im arguing what were doing now isn't going to work in the future.
The free market will fix it. It always does.
>i will continue to smoke but individuals die so no difference there. is humanity supposed to die also?
If they all choose to smoke, yes. You're comparing your own personal decisions with the decisions of your benevolent overlords making your decisions for you. As an analogy, you're choosing Big Brother choosing that you are to smoke instead of you doing that yourself. Big Brother can fuck off in my book.
>>69116924
>1. Humans are contributing 100%, there's nothing else releasing extra CO2 into the atmosphere
There is absolutely no way you can back that claim up. Do you know how many factors can contribute to CO2 emissions? Birth of an extra deer out in the woods somewhere technical contributes to CO2 emissions.
>2. Very hard to know how fast it's coming to bear.
So again, how is this linked to human interaction and why should I throw my tax dollars at it?
>3.
Fair enough.
>4.
I get that. How did they get their data?
>5.
When? Where? How? By whom? How can I trust it? What's their method of accountability? What if some faggot just makes up numbers?
>6.
So you drill in Antarctica for temperature readings. How does this show total global temperature? Who's to say Earth's tilt wasn't a mere seconds of arc off two thousand years ago, making Antarctica colder for a few hundred years there, before the Earth's tilt went the other way?
>>69117963
do you have an alternative theory or are you just playing devils advocate?
The data is produced by thousands of highly intelligent scientists who dedicate their lives to this stuff and don't have any incentive to lie, coming up with theories, testing them and reviewing each other's work. You can keep asking ever more ridiculous questions all day but I don't really see what point you're trying to make
>>69119192
>do you have an alternative theory
Nature.
>The data is produced by thousands of highly intelligent scientists who dedicate their lives to this stuff and don't have any incentive to lie
>implying these scientists aren't paid or coerced into "agreeing" with the norm to keep their status
>I don't really see what point you're trying to make
That me burning gasoline in my internal combustion engine contributes a significant amount to "global warming" or "climate change" or whatever other meme the greenfags are spouting today.
>>69112139
Architect here, where do i go to work in this kind of projects? I was interested in advanced sustainable design since i was a child.
>>69121119
Google for companies in sustainable design and similar
Find them
Follow their pages
Reach out to recruiters stating your interest
Ask for suggestions from them to get into the field, etc
And so on
I hate public transport, eat meat, drink soda, waste power and water and don't give a fuck.
I'm teaching myself to inhale co2 and exhale oxygen.
Ted Cruz eats boogers.
Burning fossil fuels
>>69111086
We need some climate change tbqh.
>>69113754
>Greenhouse gases cause climate change
What are you doing to combat greenhouse gasses?
Have you waged war on water vapour yet?
>>69113071
because keeping the climate 100% static is more important than anything else for some reason
>>69113670
>Scientists can't find anything else that might be causing the temperature increase
lol maybe they should try
but of course they won't, because their careers are already heavily invested in the current running myth
>>69113754
>correlation does not equal causation
but he's right.
do you even know what that statement means?
>>69116924
1. Methane gas is 4 times worse than C02 and is escaping the oceans floor
>>69126273
this is essentially what needs to be done, yes, phrasing it in a funny way doesn't detract from it lol
>>69127110
Which is why formal logic and the scientific method is used when implying causation, hence the use of the former.
>>69111086
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915061/Nasa-climate-scientists-said-2014-warmest-year-record-38-sure-right.html
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/#76e3d00d55a4
>>69111884
>there are many many statistics showing net gain in warmth, melting of northern ice caps, increase in lows and highs of temperatures of extreme weather zones all occuring at the same period of time after industrial revolution
Watch this and never post your nonsense again.
Tim Ball - The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owm25OHGglk
Jump to 24:15 to skip the introduction
1:24:28 Tampering with station data, ice hockey stick etc.
I've switched to burning organic wood in my fireplace
>>69111086
Absolutely nothing, let it all burn
All this talk but it means nothing.
These scientist are purposely deceiving the entire population of the planet. Does anyone else here want to talk about geoenginering ?
I would ask everyone one of you just google solar radiation management.
>>69111086
i dont give a fuck about fucking gayass poler bairs
