Well?
remember when people were all like "stay out of afghanistan. you can't win. it'll be another vietnam"
were they right?
should we have listened
No, liberals just love to scream and cry about war
Kill yourself uneducated spammer retard.
>>69107439
Afghanistan NO, Iraq, which could have possibly been lost to ISIS, has fairly similar elements to Vietnam, but that has for the most part been avoided, as we see ISIS being dismantled as we speak.
>>69108095
>>69108182
They were both stupid wars, stop being neo con cucks.
Afghanistan was the soviet union's vietnam
>>69107439
>Brits calling Middle Easterners Asian
>>69107439
They were absolutely right. If we have to play the guessing game over who is a terrorist and who isn't we will lose everytime. We should've never put boots on the ground, just bombed both places back to the Stone Age
>>69107439
Yes, they were right. Efforts there were wasted. We should have gone in with a limited aim of killing as many terrorists as possible within a few months and then gone home.
Trying to bring Western civilization to a people who would like to spend their time raping little boys is a fool's errand.
>>69108500
>just bombed both places back to the Stone Age
So that you can eliminate the problem of who is and isn't a terrorist, by just turning all of them in terrorists?
>>69108651
No I'm suggesting everyone is dead. Literally everyone. Won't be any terrorists if there are no survivors.
>>69108651
Allah can sort them out.
>>69108636
This.
>>69107439
more old guns in modern warfare pictures pls
>>69108211
Basically this. They understand only violence. They cannot do democracy, rights etc. This is why supporting all Arab springs were a mistake
>>69108636
>Trying to bring Western civilization to a people who would like to spend their time raping little boys is a fool's errand.
You can say that about Vatican City and San Francisco as well.
>>69108928
Quality bait
>>69107439
>Go into some shit faced dysfunctional country to blow tents, caves and sand and mud with million dollar bombs then literally throw ten times that amount of money "rebuilding" what you blew up all the while training and arming a whole bunch of factions to play sheriff once you pull out.
No it wasn't a Vietnam. Its a fucking Afghanistan.
>>69107439
Yes, they were right. It was a waste of several trillion dollars.
We accomplished nothing in Afghanistan.
>>69107439
The US won, it just bit them in the ass decades later. Bit of justice in my opinion. Everyone loves going to war when it's not their necks on the life.
>>69108651
just using weather warfare/thermal microwave orbital guns on the middle east could relieve us of terrorists once and for all...
>>69107439
>Was afghanistan "another vietnam" after all?
Half Vietnam. Vietnam was done by conscripts that made huge opposition in society. Lesson was learned and West switched to mercenary force. So political backlash of failures is greatly reduced. Yeah, Afghanistan is not going smooth now but it doesn't matter at all. Real target is achieved - Osama is dead, fuck everything else.
SOME FOLKS WERE BORN
MADE TO LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR
>>69107439
In terms of warfare? not at all.
In terms of result? yes.
>>69109317
Osama had been dead since 2001 at the earliest, 2007 at the latest.
>>69107439
Here is the problem:
The US tried to fight conflicts in a polite and non-violent manner, which produces expected results.
If we could simply not pretend as if we care about the people we are bombing and simply decimate them, we'd be fine, but we're a nation of cuckold faggots Who drink rice milk, eat vegetarian sushi, and worship gender fluid nigger faggots.
>>69109191
We got revenge. Killed Osama. Have semi permanent presence there. Isis came about during Obama and Muslims I Europe have always been a fifth column
>>69109565
>The US tried to fight conflicts in a polite and non-violent manner, which produces expected results.
Love this meme. US is responsible for biggest civilian casualties and destruction since WW2
There was nothing "human" about Falluja, nor bombing villages in Afghanistan or Pakistan
>>69109570
Got revenge for what?
>>69107439
It sure was for the Russians
>>69109478
So? Target was achieved.
Nation building was mistake of drinking of your own cool aid but this was not the main target.
>>69107439
To conquer Afghanistan requires permanent occupation. The Pashto are too warlike that they'll just start doing the same shit once you leave.
That's impossible with liberals though. In fact winning any war is pretty much impossible for the USA now because of how liberal it is.
>>69109840
For disobeying his CIA command. One does not simply retire from secret agency.
>>69109570
Were the lives worth it? NATO lost as many people there as in 9/11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_%281978%E2%80%93present%29
>27 April 1978 – present (37 years, 11 months and 1 day)
>37 years
>>69110317
>Were the lives worth it?
For CIA of course.
>>69110118
I never understood this need to conquer random 3rd world shitholes. Is it to protect your country from terrorism? But that's much more easily done via Trump's plan... You don't need to take the fight to them, just not let any of them into your country!
>>69110474
Think of the Chechnya baka sempai.
>>69110708
>could've just built wall and deported all dags
>nooo let's mogilize russian guys in typical mongol fashion
>>69109840
slow opium production. how big pharma going to help create a drug epidemic to cash in on.
>>69110902
>unite around your Leader
>death to traitors
>>69110391
>tfw mudslimes and muricans destroyed this
If you mean another war that politicians didn't let the military do their job and win then yes.
>>69111074
Because they need democracy and freedom.
>>69111074
Uhhh...You do realize Russia was the cause for Afghanistan's fall back into barbarism right?
>>69111074
If you add those three up you get a 6/10
>>69111074
russians are to blame with their communism faggotry
>>69107439
Afghanistan might have turned out okay if we didn't take the mother of all detours to chase goose in Iraq.
>>69111240
Well the US weren't exactly clean hands on the matter considering they're the ones that enabled the insurgency to flourish with added CIA support.
>>69111240
how? you supported the mujahedeen, we supported secular socialism.
>>69111339
>The US helped a country that was invaded defend itself
Literally nothing wrong.
>>69107439
mostly due to incompetence is setting up a stable government and supressing insurgents like in Vietnam.
We've invaded Afghanistan 4 times and excluding the current war our it's 2-1 to us.
>>69111240
>implying
That was us, idiot. America supported the Mujaheddin. Russia was forcing secularism onto the nation.
>>69111423
>profiteering off the misery and suffering of others
There's nothing wrong with tapping into that entrepreneurial spirit of free market capitalism per se.
But when you're providing military arms to enable an insurgency to flourish where otherwise it wouldn't. That's called wealth redistribution or better known as Socialism.
>>69111423
ok so when IS gets invaded be sure to send them some lend-lease
>>69111423
Apart from the fact Afghanistan was fighting insurgents from Pakistan (That the US supported) and had to call Russian support to keep the government proped up.
The US was the one funding the invasion.
>>69108636
we spent our time killing the people who were stopping the boy raping
>>69111240
>russia is the only one to blame
The US funded mujahidins and your average extremist group from this area just to dick around with russia back then. it backfired so hard you guys had to invade several countries to extinguish the fire you started, and it's far from over.
>>69107439
Yes. I'm Afghan and I live in your country now and I fuck one of your women. Who won?
>>69107439
I did a tour in Afghanistan from March 2010 - October 2010. Almost halfway through more towards the back end I realized it was a pointless Campaign. I had random people confide in me how yhey witnessed friends die in particular blown up into pieces and vaporized into pink mist. One tour is enough
Those wars are only winnable by cleansing the population
In their eyes, the terrorists are heroes despite them wanting to go and blow up innocent people. So the militias will be hidden every time out troops come looking
It's the Muslim problem, leave none alive and you solved the problem and won the war
Though winning the war these days means winning it for Israel so bleh
>>69111744
considering most of your men and women are dead, I'd definitley say us.
could of napalmed the lot, but we couldn't find anyone else willing to farm goats up a mountain desert.
>>69107439
There were no victory conditions, and they were basicly waging a war against a cultural pillar.
You can't "Win" wars these days unless your being invaded as the second component, "colonization" has been labeled a national crine(except a certain non Muslism, Christian country).
Your basicly just cordoned off the street as the local populace throw rocks at you from their windows.
>>69111709
Not sure they didn't expect the back fire my fellow french senpai
>>69111744
Jews.
>>69111854
>no one else willing to farm goats up a mountain desert
Well being experts of colonising "terra nullius" Im sure you can work something out
;^)
It already fucked over the Russians.
They should have either not given the Muhajhideen guns in the 80's and sent their own guys to deal with the Russians or just nuke the entire country.
>>69111939
>Well being experts of colonising "terra nullius"
We'd try and make it a flourishing nation but we've ran out of convicts to export ;)
top banter 10/10 would buy a dishwater-beer
>>69108211
You are aware that there would be no ISIS without your war in iraq? You basically traded saddam for ISIS.
>>69111971
>sent their own guys to deal with the Russians
You'd of had fun with that Janski, at least we have the channel protecting us from the Asiatic hordes, you guys had Adenhauer and De Gaulle; two men who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
You should have invaded Saudi Arabia instead. Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11 and you know it.
>>69107439
You're in Afghanistan so that it continues to export tons of heroin to Russia. Taliban actually banned its production when it came to power, but US would have none of it.
>>69107439
last I checked, the Taliban and Osama where dead.
>>69112121
>You are aware that there would be no ISIS without your war in iraq?
There was going to be a backlash of the sunni clergy eventually; like there was in the Iranian revolution, Muslims and secularism don't mix; very light secularism is a push.
they've just sped up a trend of pushi ng the people towards the clergy.
>>69111854
>>69111939
I ain't dead, My family ain't dead. We all live in your lovely country. Back home sure you guys did some damage but we will wait and you will leave and your guards and bases will be looted like they were in Iraq and another enemy of the states will appear. You think I want this? you think we wanted this? No you forced it on us for Oil, Lithium, and Heroin.
>>69109296
We have neutron bombs for that already.
>>69112197
>You should have invaded Saudi Arabia instead.
Based Fritz knows whats up.
>>69112285
They import it back home too, after 2001 the heroin in my neighborhood (rich white) went through the roof, two kids at my highschool died and over 15-20 went to rehabs.
>>69108928
I'd be up for wiping those places off the map.
>>69108211
Daily reminder that both before and after 9/11 the US could have had bin laden brought to justice if they hadn't acted like petulant children, all they needed to do was agree to have bin laden tried in a non-US court (pre-war) or present any evidence of culpability (post-9-11).
The administration wanted a war so they could install western friendly governments to act as a more malleable agent in the region (more malleable than Israel, which has its own agenda). This is the same reason we went into Iraq with manufactured claims of WMD and terrorist connections both of which were completely unfounded.
Wake the fuck up to the shady bullshit the US has been up to, we are fucking over the entire world with our bullshit.
>>69112121
They formed in Syria, mate. They would have formed whether or not we invaded Iraq
>>69112460
I'd imagine that it comes from Mexico, no?
>>69112185
I was actually talking about the Americans.
They were the big guys on the block when it came to "fuck commies and everybody who likes them"
It's not like the US army was in any major conflicts during the 80's.
The NATO forces were preparing to deal with commie krauts.
>>69109223
"The US won"
Lol, this is what ameriburgers actually believe.
>>69107439
Fighting a ground war with a fanatical insurgency in complicated areas is a recipe for disaster.
>>69107439
We should have CONQUERED THEM. not "win the hearts and minds of the people"
Disagree with us, get fucking killed.
Support Jihad in any fashion? Killed.
Colonizing the land is the only way to win that war.
>>69112578
some. that is mostly made in mexico and comes in black tar. alot is shipped in the ports of NYC and the bay area of california
>>69111744
Gun merchants, big oil and drug cartels are the winners. People we average dumbfucks usually never hear from
>>69112636
To be fair, if we'd have come to full blown war anytime before Gorbachev, they have done some serious damage in Western Europe; by proxy a fight in Aafghanistan would have ment an invasion in the FRG.
>>69112680
why aren't we bringing back colonialism?
Most ex-colonies tremendously fucked up and would be better off under better management.
>>69112578
Just wierd that its so perfectly lined up with our control in afghanistan. Like the better the war was going the more heroin we had.. I didn't think about it then cause I was in highschool
>>69112515
>Afghanistan wasn't already completely fucked under the Taliban
>>69112783
Smart man. We all lost.
>>69112945
>Whose fault was that?
>>69107439
Well Afghanistan did create another Punisher so I guess that does confirm it for Vietnam status.
>>69112460
i have nothing against heroin, junkies are degenerate subhumans who deserve to suffer
>>69112571
>Iraqi destabilization totally had no effect of Syria and all the Iraqi refugees (1million+ as of 2010, compared to Syrians 17.5m population total) who came out of an environment of sectarian violence and conflict totally didn't contribute to the breakdown of Syrian order and provide an environment for Isis to exist.
Ok anon but I have to warn you, if you keep saying stupid shit people might think you are retarded.
>>69113005
Afghanis. Warlord and tribal culture that unless you fully eradicate, will keep coming back.
>>69113018
it is and it's sad to see people ruin their lives over it. it's fun and all but to be so disconnected to reality that watching people around you fall victim to it doesn't keep it in check is just asinine.
>>69112857
I dunno man. Why hasn't the US just started conquering the planet?
Even if every other member of NATO tells us to fuck off and attacks us we'd still win.
We should start with Canada, annex them and remove kebab. From that we go to MExico, purge anyone who's taken a bride or done any type of crime and conquer it too
>>69113018
They do suffer.. One of those "subhumans" was my best friend. His girlfriend had died and he was super into drugs after it.. I couldn't save him from it and it ended our friendship but not before I told his parents and he got sent to rehab. He is recovered and lives pretty good now. I haven't talked to him in a few months but I look at his facebook from time to time. People make mistakes.. like you when you made that post.
>"stay out of Bosnia. you can't win. it'll be another vietnam"
>"stay out of Kosovo. you can't win. it'll be another vietnam"
>"stay out of Haiti. you can't win. it'll be another vietnam"
When you constantly predict each and every conflict is going to be "another Vietnam", you can't really go and pat your self on the back when eventually you guess right.
>>69112857
DESU a UN conduminium ran by high comissioners from the security council could work wonders, but it's a memey pipedream like the Return of the British empire or Donald trump winning.
>>69112945
>it's ok to invade a country and demolish its institutions and government and replace its government with a puppet because I consider it fucked
You realize this is retarded and immoral, and can be used to justify action against any government, including the US, right?
>>69113083
Because you didn't arm and encourage 15-25 year olds to hold a holy war against their enemies and then left them after the war was over, instead of establishing a democratic government. What was the point of the cold war if you don't actually give a fuck about beating communism
>>69113216
Whoever is capable of consuming the demonic items - drugs, is not really human. Alcoholics, smokers, junkies - all the same trash that pollutes our beautiful planet. I have been straight edge all my life and your story just made me smile.
>>69108920
Iran had a democracy before the US fucked it up. The only reason they can't do democracy is because thenUS won't let them, the only democracy the US is interested in is the puppet regime billshit we tried in Afghanistan and Iraq (aka not a democracy)
>>69113211
>People in my country believe themselves to be invincible
>>69107439
I think the goal of dismantling support structures that aided Terrorism was a success, at least temporarily as now it has clearly being or been rebuilt.
>>69113406
Your weird bro.
>>69113546
Burn in Hell, demon!
>>69107439
Yes to both, they are actually WORSE than Vietnam. The Vietnamese are actually more or less friendly with the US today. Meanwhile Iraq and Afghanistan are wholeheartedly against us. We are merely waiting for our highly unpopular puppets to be booted out when we aren't paying attention.
>>69113311
I wouldn't mind, if you annex us and purge the government under trump though. And line up a few leftists for the fun of it.
>Some waterboarding for Merkel!
>>69110902
So basically giving them independence, losing strategic land, creating a crime and terrorism hotbed on your border and setting a precedent? Even if you somehow build a working "wall" in Caucasus (you won't), our border with Kazakhstan is 3 times as long as US-Mexico border. Great idea.
>>69107439
Because invading Afghanstan has gone so well historically.
>>69113464
US is the most powerful country in the world. We control NATO and the UN. If we decided one day to conquer the planet, we'd be unstoppable, partly because most places wouldn't even try to stop us.
>>69113723
ok so cluster bomb, nuke them, whatever... anything to avoid white casualties!
>>69109689
Yep Falluja was fucked. After the ultimatum to leave the city, they were sniping anything that moved, including children. I met an Iraq war army sniper on a plane back then and that guy was full blown PTSD.
>>69108636
I have to say, This.
>>69114003
Dagestan shouldve been nuked long ago
>>69114003
>>69114267
Could your countries please unite, put the Cold War bs behind you, and remove kebab together?
Yeah, that'd be great.
>>69112515
Manifest destiny.
>>69114428
only after we throw out the pedophile and make a United Sovereign States of Russia (USSR)
Does Orthodox have a qt warrior waifu?
>>69114914
>>69107439
There was nothing to be won, arabs need to sort their own shit for once.
