"Don't generalize all gun-owners based on the the actions of a few crazies."
>But anon, you generalize all muslims based on the actions of a few radicals. Isn't it the same thing?
How do you respond?
>>69101194
You don´t have gun owners trying to create a "only gun carry world" where everyone who doesn´t wears a open carry gun belt get behea... ehm shot.
You don´t have pro gun terrorists groups blowing up people to achieve their goal.
You don´t see gun owners swarming another country to persuade them into a gun carrying country. They literally want you to fuck off and let em´ pew pew a bit. Hmmm kinda like jews. I think I´m onto something /pol
>>69101194
>Don't generalize all gun-owners based on the the actions of a few crazies
Why would I ever say this? A gun is a tool, not a person.
>>69101194
>few
When 53% of gun owners agree to ruling over you and mass killings in the same of their rights come back and talk to me
>>69102051
Islam is a religion, not a person.
>>69101194
>being a member of a death cult that blows itself up
>owning a tool for self defense
>the same thing
Guns are tools. Tools allow humans to gap the divide nature put on us. Without guns, you create a society where physically strong people have a huge advantage. They can go around robbing and beating people if they so choose, because smaller people would have no way to stop them. Guns take away these differences and allow civilization to exist by making being huge pointless and intelligence to be the deciding factor.
Look at the world pre and post guns. It was a mess before. Since guns the world has progressed drastically.
Americans are human. Muslims are not human
>>69101194
The fact is, I don't want to have to carry a gun either. But because of those isolated incidents and because it's spelled out in the constitution that I'm allowed, I will do everything I legally can to protect myself. If guns get banned, I'll start carrying throwing knives, tazers and pepper spray. If that gets banned I'll get my hands registered in a martial art
>comparing guns to a religion
Stop, Sweden. You're enough of a joke already.
>>69101194
guns don't tell me to kill people who don't like guns
muslims tell me to kill people who don't like islam
Guns are not political ideologies. They're just tools. Like circular saws.
>>69101194
Can someone just create like a laser pistol or an ion gun...something non explosive that shoots a projectile so that way guns can be shadowed into a hobby like working on old cars?
It's not until we invent a better way to kill someone is when this bullshit will be over with
>>69102138
Moslems are people.
>>69102229
It was a question about generalization, my overweight friend.
>>69102307
Gun-owners are people.
>>69101194
No I don't. I just say we have no obligation to help them and an obligation to protect our own people from the scum lurking among the immigrants.
>>69102138
Look tutu
A gun owner likes to own a firearm. A Muslim wants to practice the teachings of Mohammed. These teachings indoctrinate their young and promote hatred for anything we consider free. It is strict barbaric law.
All Muslims want this, whether they're radical terrorists or escaping refuge by reuniting with their family in England by cheating the immigration system.... Or they use their phones to go into Germany to find white women.
They can fuck off.
The radicals have a huge support system. They couldn't thrive without it.
>>69102279
>still blames the gun
Go suck Bernies dick faggot
>>69102471
Tbqh, I agree with:
>Wife should obey husband
>Death for adultery
>Death for treason
>>69101194
>>69102138
How would you even get into this situation where you would say something like that? I mean, there are statistics out there that can justify generalizations with regards to muslims, are there really similar statistics with regard to guns?
Challenge the reason for their generalizations, not the generalizations themselves.
>>69102551
Do you fantasize about being broken out of your cuckoldery? About being a real man? :D
>>69101194
So your argument is based on an accusation?
>>69102664
Both you and me know that statistics don't matter when it comes to these people.
>>69102551
>>69101194
>mfw OP is balls deep in a 10yo boy right now.
>>69102738
Do you think men and women are equal?
Do you think adultery is ok?
Do you think treason is ok?
>>69102724
Takbir! :-D
What about Muslim gun owners?
Maybe that's the real problem here.
>>69101194
guns are tools for protection
Islam is a demonic death cult for the feeble minded
>>69102516
Fuck you faggot I'll beat your fucking ass
>>69101194
>Gun ownership
Not a violent belief system.
>Islam
Violent religion that commands torture, rape, slavery, murder and conquest of it's followers, portraying such acts as the immutable eternal law of God.
>>69102834
Do little boy's asshole smell and taste different?
>>69101194
"All liberals need to die"
>>69102724
Well, then we might as well give up any rational argument with them. I mean, I've had several discussions with people who are vehemently anti-gun, but they've at least had the sense to say "okay, if there are statistics that back up your claims, then I might change my position, but until then I won't".
The point is, you put yourself in a very difficult position there. I would still maintain that the person still needs to have some foundation for their generalization, and put the burden of proof on them. If they can't come up with anything but still inside on generalizing then just eject, because you're dealing with an idiot.
>>69103015
Maybe this question is better suited for the catholic church. Do we have any italians online?
>>69102307
Always the leaf
>>69102991
Feeling the buttmad eh, cocksucker?
>>69101194
There isn't a codified doctrine of gun ownership that promotes mass-murder of apostates and the oppression of women and minorities. My problem isn't just with terrorists, it's with the archaic views held by a huge number of muslims which are completely acceptable according to the Quran.
>>69103172
He wasn't siding with the muslims, bud. Why do you think he said moslems?
>we don't need Muslims, but we do need guns
>>69103138
At least Catholics herd the pedos into easy to distinguish faggots.
Muslims fuck little boys 24/7 when they are not busy blowing themselves up.
>>69103289
The same goes for christianity though. I'm against islam and muslims myself, but that's the response a person will get if they said what you did. That christianity is no better.
>>69101194
I'm basing my belief on Muslims based on the text of their holy book. It's a religion of death and violence against non-believers. I'm not interested in seeing the USA turned into Saudi Arabia.
>>69103370
Afaik they were fucking little girls. Isn't homosexuality a sin for muslims?
>>69103386
>That christianity is no better.
1000 FUCKING YEARS AGO
>>69103496
STFU mohammad
>“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html
When you say "da muslims" do you mean the arabs? The europeans? The indians? The africans? The south-americans? The asians?
There are 1.5 BILLION of muslims in the world.
>>69103516
Just because most churches adopted progressive values it doesn't change the fact that biblical doctrine clearly states that women are to obey the husband, that homosexuality is a sin, and so forth.
>>69103386
....I don't think you understand much of anything with regards to Christianity based on this comment.
>>69101194
There isn't a holy text of gun ownership that tells people to rape and murder.
>>69103671
Women should obey the husband and homosexuality is a sin though...
>>69103643
There's a difference between being a sand nigger and being a muslim practising sand nigger. A muslim would never rape/molest a person of the same sex. It goes against their doctrine.
I'm against both, just saying.
>>69101194
Of course, it had to be fucking Sweden.
>>69103671
Most Christians live in countries that progressed to the point they can exterminate muslims, so get with the times or get fucking nuked.
>>69103801
That's what I'm saying. It's the american who hold the progressive values.
>>69101194
Muslims kill for their belief. Few gun owners kill for guns.
Muslims suck.
>>69101194
>But anon, you generalize all muslims based on the actions of a few radicals. Isn't it the same thing?
Crazies don't claim to be law abiding gun owners so there is no hypocrisy here.
That being said collective blaming is for faggots
>>69101194
tell them it's true, but also mention that about 20% of muzzies are radicals while only a tiny % of gunfags go shoot up a school or church
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
>>69101194
Statistics show that 30-60% of all muslims in the world are ok with terrorism against the west. That means about 300-800 million. Now, how many gun owners support shooting up schools? I bet you won´t crack the 0.01% with that.
>pic related
>>69103671
...but the teachings of Jesus Christine don'the condone enslavement or killing for any reason. That'said Oct Testament stuff that Christians are supposed to cast off. Christians can believe something to be wrong or immoral withing calling for the death of said person believed to engage in immoral activity. That is the big difference between the two religions.
>>69101194
"Gun ownership isn't a life-guiding philosophy like religion is."
So you want to ban muslims then? Alright.
>>69104001
>.but the teachings of Jesus Christine don'the condone enslavement or killing for any reason.
Wrong?
>That'said Oct Testament stuff that Christians are supposed to cast off.
Wrong?
>Christians can believe something to be wrong or immoral withing calling for the death of said person believed to engage in immoral activity.
There's a reason the USA have the death-sentence.
>>69101194
Not all Muslims are terrorists
All terrorists are muslims
![1398995272717[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ToCttE9.png "1398995272717[1].png")
There is no gun equivalent of Boko Haram, Islamic Jihad, ISIS, the Caliphate, or Sharia Law.
Yet.
>>69102307
People eat pork DUDE WEED
>>69102182
>because it's spelled out in the constitution that I'm allowed,
You don't understand what the Constitution or rather the Bill of Rights are anon.
They are simply recognizing rights that you already have that are derived from your humanity.
The only reason these inalienable rights were enshrined with the BoR is to make it as clear as possible to the men in government that they don't have the right to infringe on these rights the Constitution and BoR aren't telling you what you're allowed to do it tells the government what it is allowed and not allowed to do.
>>69103289
>There isn't a codified doctrine of gun ownership
You could argue that there kinda is but it is in the sense of any basic safety rules for doing anything that is potentially dangerous if not followed.
http://concealednation.org/2013/11/the-4-rules-of-gun-safety/
Gun owners that commit mass shootings are generally insane.
Muslims who kill many people are motivated by their religion.
Come back when gun owners commit mass shootings because their guns told them to
>>69104172
Stop talking out of your ass. He is right and you are wrong and until you can post a source for otherwise, you can get fucked.
Gun-owners don't support mass shooters
>>69104172
>saying wrong as a definitive answer and a question mark
>>69101194
Look let me try to explain this simply, guns are a product and Islam is a religion. When you buy a gun, the gun store doesn't say "go kill all anti gun people and gun grabbers". When you join Islam, you are told "kill all infidels" or in other words, kill nonbelievers. Comparing a product to religion is stupid at best.
>>69104649
He's not right. Stop advocating pseudo-christianity you progressive heretic.
>>69104836
Same goes for you.
First:
>Sweden
Second:
People are not told by their gun to go out and murder those who are unbelievers in gun ownership. There is no text that says that gun owners must kill those who do not own guns. A gun is an object, Islam is an ideology.
>>69101984
>>69102129
This.
>>69103386
>Reformation
>>69101194
You judge people for their beliefs
if the big majority of them has shit beliefs you are allowed to generalize when talking against stuff like mass immigration (stuff like put them all in jail not so much)
>>69103516
Literally no-one takes the super-toxic bible parts seriously, Muslims simply cannot disregard anything in the Quran as it is ostensibly the direct word of God, whereas the Bible is a compilation of personal accounts.
>>69102551
>Death for adultery
So kill someone because they hurt someone's feelings?
>>69104537
You didn't take my full quote into consideration, that guide doesn't lay out the archaic shit that the Quran does.
>>69105189
Are you a heathen by any chance?
Show me a survey that says 20-90% of gun owners favor what the crazies do.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
>>69104621
>Gun owners that commit mass shootings are generally insane.
Most all if not all of the people who have gone off their rocker and started shooting people randomly were not prior gun owners they purchased their firearms with the sole intention of killing allot of people or murdered someone else who was a gun owner to get ahold of their guns.
This is a very important distinction between someone who buys a gun for sport collecting or defense and then goes nuts at a later date which again as far as I know hasn't happened regarding high profile mass murder cases.
>>69104981
>Same goes for you.
Where?
I replied that one time to call you out for such faggotry
>>69101194
>How do you respond?
Guns will defend you from muslims, but muslims won't defend you from guns.
>>69101194
"Owning a gun" isn't an ideology.
"Islam" is an ideology.
If your ideology tells you to kill and conquer, you'll try to do so regardless of what tools you have.
>>69105378
lmfao
>>69101194
But I don't do that. Why would you assume I do?
ITT: anons ignore OPs question of generalisation using gun/muslim example, proceed to list generalised things muslims do that guns don't.
The choice of examples used are not even important. Generalisation is acceptable when it aligns with your personal views. Inherent human failing detected
>>69101194
i destroy all muslims
thats how i respond
>>69102138
/thread
A significant population of Muslims sympathize with terrorists.
An extremely insignificant number of gun owners sympathize with gun killers.
>>69105260
Hence why I said "there kinda is but it is just safety instructions on how to be safe with a tool".
If you want to get into more detail you could bring up what is taught at concealed carry/self defense classes on what the proper mentality and what the rules and laws are for carrying a firearm for self defense. But again this isn't applicable in comparing to a religion.
On the grander scale there is the tradition of the love of liberty and the willingness to die for it which is a fundamental corner stone of both American culture and the highest law in the land the Constitution and believe me if those in government tried to violate liberty an overt over extended way they will absolutely meet violent opposition but this would be the government becoming treasonous to both The People and this nation's foundation of law.
But at this point it is way and above the topic of guns which just happen to be the arms available currently.
>>69105451
>dismissal of any and all available form of evidence is OK and a concrete inarguable argument
No anon it isn't
>>69105592
He never answered me here cause OP is forever the eternal faggot.
>>69103917
Nor did he answer
>>69103000
>>69102164
>>69101194
jokes on you I generalize both
>>69103827
>A muslim would never rape/molest a person of the same sex
Why are you lying?
>>69106052
Answered you where? That wasn't even your post.
>Nor did he answer
>>69103000
>>69102164
These were not questions.
>>69101194
hair pulling stupidity and lack of logic of the OP.. Is there something wrong with leftists brains where they refuse to analyze things and think things through before they accept an argument as legitimate inside their heads?
Muslims kill non muslims because they are instructed to by their text.. A gun is neutral it can be used for offense or defence, but having a gun doesn't mean you go out and kill some random person..
Things which are not the same do not abide generalization. Things which are the same benefit from generalization.
That is why, OP.
>>69106268
I am not? It's like saying a christian would worship Zeus. It goes against their doctrine. Like I said, there's a difference between a sand nigger and an islam-practising sand nigger.
>>69101194
The NRA doesn't tell gun owners to commit acts of terror.
>>69106410
How am I stupid and lack logic? I was setting up a potential encounter. Go shove a rod polse up your ass.
>>69106052
I dont really care that OP didnt respond to your posts?? My point was simply what you alluded to at the end of here >>69103917
Concluding that:
All [insert group] are horrible because [insert subgroup] did [insert horrible thing]
Is retarded, but only acceptable to people when it fits their personal views.
>>69106743
>Concluding that:
>All [insert group] are horrible because [insert subgroup] did [insert horrible thing]
>Is retarded, but only acceptable to people when it fits their personal views.
The crazies involving firearms never claim to be a subgroup of gun owners nor gun culture anon so generalizing crazies with gun owners isn't a valid generalization.
>>69106362
>you only respond to questions inna debate
You're a moron.
>>69107106
How was this ever a debate? I was asking how people would respond to the encounter posted in the OP.
>>69107047
Are you trying to say that crazy gun owners are not a sub group of gun owners? Because that's what it sounds like
>>69107171
>I was asking how people would respond to the encounter posted in the OP.
Because you ignored every person that directly answered your question.
>>69107442
They gave their answer to the question in the OP. Why do I need to answer an answer? We did our parts.
>>69101194
ITT: False equivalences. The argument is sound. You're both hypocrites.
>>69101984
>you don't get people trying to create an open carry world
>you don't see gun owners going into another country and persuading them to open carry
No, just within the country, which is a part of the world.
>you don't see pro gun terrorists
Just gun murders.
>>69107362
>people who buy a tool with the sole intention of killing people due to their Insanity are a part of a culture that teaches responsible handling following the law and defending yourself against aggressors.
It is like saying that the Boston bombers were members of the pressure cooking community anon.
Or saying that someone who bashes a bunch of people's heads in with a hammer is part of the handyman community.
See the disconnect?
Fundamentalist Muslims are just that Muslims. The number of Muslims willing to act out this fundamentalism may be relatively small but that doesn't mean the fundamentalist aren't Muslims.
And again I said right in my post collective blaming is for retards but comparing violent insane people that use a firearm a tool and lumping them in with gun culture and the people who are part of it is fundamentally not a valid comparison collective blaming or not
>>69107759
Not every equivalence is a false equivalence you shitskin.
>>69107550
Except you felt the need to argue with people who are easy targets.
>>69107885
I explained to you why it is a false equivalence anon
>>69107939
Where? Also, I was talking to the shitskin.
>>69107902
Who I respond to is none of your business. Are you butthurt because I didn't respond to you? Do you want a tissue?
>>69103945
>30%-60% of Muslims condone terrorism against the west
Source? Because your pic just showed 40% highest in Palestine, which is by the way is at war with Israel.
>>69108167
That's suicide bombings only.
>>69101194
I can keep my firearm in my underwear drawer without worrying about it going snackbar on a marine recruiting station.
no one is claiming all muslims are terrorists. it's a straw man.
how is saying
>the government shouldn't be able to tell me whether i can own a gun or not
equivalent to saying
>I don't want the native population of my country to be replaced by a never ending stream third world foreigners of an entirely different culture just so that left wing parties have a bigger voting bloc and corporate jews have cheap labour
?
Unless you're a dribbling retard, there's no equivalency.
>>69101194
You cant compare the two: its an issue of culture.
>>69101194
Gun owners haven't been invading and killing millions of people and destroying whole cultures for 1400 years.
>>69101194
Not all pitbulls are violent, but they are inherently more violent than other dogs, they kill more people than othe dogs, and most importantly, there is no good reason to allow pitbulls when there are a hundred other, better dog races.
Almost no one says that ALL Muslims are bad, but allowing Muslims into your country without any screening or chance for integration has zero benefits and only risks.
Meanwhile, gun ownership has benefits and no alternative, so the equation is more complex.
That aside, it's a false equivalence because it's not 1 in 1000 to 1 in 1000 but 1 in 1000 to 800 in 1000 who will sympathise, justify, become criminal, demand welfare etc. etc.
If the numbers were that high for gun owners, they'd be all banned already.
>>69108566
Really?
>>69101984
Something something 300,000-1,500,000 defensive gun usages annually. Something 60% suicide. Something 87% convicted felons. Something 24 out of 350 million is a statistical anomaly. Something media over representation.
Something not infringed.
> thread
>>69101194
Don't generalize all car or knife owners based on the actions of a few crazies. Do you see how stupid that sounds? A knife is a tool as is a car, just as a gun is. Muslims are people who have chosen to follow a certain ideology and practice that ideology in the world. To give you an example of this foolish thought:
"Don't generalize all capitalists as advocating private property."
This is obviously a contradiction but you can see where I'm going. We aren't judging people by our own definition, we're judging them by the company they keep, the things they believe and the way they've defined their ideology. The person defines THEMSELVES as a part of this group or the other, and the group is an ideological one. With a car, knife or gun the group is people who OWN a specific item but a muslim(or capitalist) is someone who shares thoughts and opinions with like-minded individuals.
>>69107844
I still dont understand why my point:
>concluding that:
>All [insert group] are horrible because [insert subgroup] did [insert horrible thing]
>is retarded and wrong, but is acceptable to individuals based on world views
Is wrong
Example:
>CRAZY GUN OWNERS are just that GUN OWNERS. The number of GUN OWNERS willing to act out this CRAZY may be relatively small but that doesn't mean the CRAZIES aren't GUN OWNERS.
Do you understand what I mean now?
>>69108676
Gun possessors are not the same as owners. Most armed forces don't let their useful idiots keep their weapons when they go back to their farm.
Most people with guns have them to stop the crazies.
Most muslims don't stop the radicals.
>>69107885
Here it is. All the reputations like >>69103000
And>>69102376
Are false equivalencies. Most Muslims aren't terrorists, despite /pol/'s comprehensive knowledge of Islam.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/26/opinion/bergen-schneider-how-many-jihadists/
This article puts Muslims in terrorist organisations at 100k, the world having a 1.6 billion Muslims, 0.00625% of Muslims are terrorists. By comparison the US had 10.64 gun deaths per 100,000k people, or 0.01% of Americans are gun murderers, assuming 1 gun murderer kills one person. Although this is offset because not all Americans are gun owners, and I can't find statistics on gun owners, only guns per captia.
>>69102834
Is speeding ok?
Is jay walking ok?
>>69108248
I think the principle is the same. If they condone suicide bombing, they probably don't mind stabbing or shooting.
>>69108923
Neither of those are biblical.
>>69102724
I really thought the Sweden thing was a meme. You sir have proven that to be false. Thanks. My grandmother immigrated to America from Norway and she used to tell me how stupid the Swedes were. Still stupid as ever I see.
Miss ya Gram!
>>69108770
gun owners aren't a group in the same way that muslims are. gun owners don't all own the same book that tells them what to do and how to act.
and more to the point, no one is saying all muslims are terrorists. and no one is saying all gun owners are murderers.
since no one is saying EITHER of those things, your entire argument is nonsensical strawman shit.
>>69109374
Did you ever try to debate a SJW/progressive? Go back to Mc Donalds.
>>69108888
>0.00625% of Muslims are terrorists
that sounds so small! i guess they're not threat at all and we should just never even think about it
>>69101194
I would respond
"Both agendas are being pushed by the same people. It's only logical that they use the same tactics"
I support moderately stricter vetting processes and background checks in order to prove I and others have the responsibility to own a gun while by no means outlawing them entirely
"" "" Muslims
>>69109400
>gun owners aren't a group in the same way that muslims are.
Yes they are. Groups are defined by having something in common. That is it.
>gun owners don't all own the same book that tells them what to do and how to act
The interpretations of that book are as varied as straight guys preference in porn
>and nobody is saying all muslims are terrorists.
Welcome to /pol/ newfag
>no one is saying all gun owners are murderers.
Ever met a lefttard
>>69101194
>>But anon, you generalize all muslims based on the actions of a few radicals. Isn't it the same thing?
No, I generalize muslims based on what their bloody holy book preaches.
Which is generally along the lines of "Allah is great and merciful but unbelievers will receive great punishment (because is merciful, that is what mercy is, evet?), also must always war the infidel :^)"
>>69101194
We have the right to bear arms, not a right to suicide bomb
>>69101194
>a few radicals
>Still memeing this
I don't give a fuck if a billion muslims start bombing everything in sight. I have 2nd amendment rights to cover my ass. The fact is that a majority of muslims believe they are entitled to rape whoever they like should the situation merit it and all who are not a part of Islam are unworthy of life, not to mention that leaving this sandwizard cult should result in death. They can all fuck off.
It's like if all gun owners believed they had a right to rape everyone that didn't own a gun and shoot anybody who sells their guns.
Not all gun owners follow the same ideology, all muslims do.
/thread
>>69109583
Has anyone else noticed when they blow shit up all the apologists are quick to point out that only 10% of muslims are extremist so we shouldn't worry about it?
But then when they find out who's responsible their friends and family never say that they were extremists. They were always good, kind people, like to have fun with their friends were in no way extreme in their faith etc etc.
Based on what friends and family say I think we don't really have to worry about the 10% they say are extremists. It seems to me that a prudent person would be concerned about all the "non extremist" muslims (90% of all muslims) since they're the ones that always kill people outside of muslim countries.
>>69110449
Do all christians follow the same denomination?
>>69110597
No. But all muslims follow the same prophet, the same book and the same ideology.
The basis of Islam is of conquest. Thats its basic ideology, that everyone should be muslim you're personally responsible for it as a muslim to help this process (Jihad).
This is what all muslims MUST believe in in order to be a muslim.
>>69109488
I love how the rest of the world thinks that telling an American to "eat a burger" or "go to Mcdonalds" is some sort of insult. I get it, we are overweight.
Lets examine that for a moment, the insult is that "Americans are fat and have no culture."
We have the money to get fat, talk shit about people we don't agree with, and American "no culture" has permeated the entire world.
So tell me again how this is an insult?
>>69110191
>Yes they are. Groups are defined by having something in common. That is it.
I'm going to introduce you to the radical notion that some fo your 'groups' might have much, much more in common than others.
KKK members have more in common with eachother than, say, Amazon customers.
>The interpretations of that book are as varied as straight guys preference in porn
It's not so open to interpretation as to not matter at all. 1.1 billion of the 1.6 billion muslims in the world believe Sharia law should be THE law, according to Pew. So fuck you and your disingenuous wriggling shit.
>Welcome to /pol/ newfag
We might dislike muslims but no one will ever claim that every one of them is a terrorist. We just have functioning threat perception and realize that no muslims = not muslim terror attacks. Hell, we'd hate them even if they weren't blowing themselves up.
>Ever met a lefttard
If anyone is saying all gun owners are murderers, they are clearly retarded and their opinions require no response.
the whole pretext of this thread is bullshit. see
>>69108478
>>69110700
All christians follow the same prophet as well, the same book, and the same ideology.
>>69110747
You dont need money to get fat, in fact poorer people are fatter than richer people, since being healthy and thin is more expensive nowadays. Good food, having time to go to the gym etc. are luxuries for many people.
>>69101194
cuck
>>69110867
And that ideology is peaceful. Early Christianity spread via converstions. Early Islam spread via war and threats. In fact all Islam do is war. They spread in Africa via war, they spread in Asia via war, they fucked the Persians and Byzantines in the ass too, they tried to fuck Europe two times as well. Islam is literal cancer and there's only one thing you can do to cancer.
>>69110747
>We have the money to get fat
Even your poor people are fat. You don't need money to get fat.
>>69101194
Gun owners don't share the same ideology, muslims do.
You're retarded.
>>69111014
Speak for yourself. I believe in a christian denomination where jews and the white race are at war.
>>69109583
>>69110488
There is a risk of danger in everything. If you want to be perfectly safe stock up on food an hide in the bunker. There's a chance the guy on the street will kill you, although you're far more likely to die of heart disease or cancer.
In the context of migrants, that 0.00625% chance is weighed against a million lives who were stuck indefinitely in migrant camps and whose lives depended on the shaky funding of UN and charity groups. Lives, who if migrated, are given the opportunity to work and contribute to the economy, whose kids will receive a proper education, and their kids and their kids and so on.
>>69111215
And which denomination is that? And when was the last time you killed a jew?
Muslims kill Christians daily, especially in Africa. When Europeans colonized muslims countries, did they start killing off muslims by millions? Now see, thats the difference between us and them. Sadly, it'd be better if we just genocided all of them when we had the upper hand.
>>69111360
There's a risk of danger when you allow yourself to be surrounded by unstable nutbags that have been taught that you are unworthy to live. You'd make a lot fewer excuses if you simply chose to be less of a shitty people.
>>69110865
Sharia law is not extremism. It's not your business what law they want. Considering that it's sharia in Muslim countries, I'd say it doesn't affect you much.
>>69110886
>>69111026
not the point of my post. Im just saying for me personally, calling me a "burger" or trying to shut an American down by saying "Go to Mcdonald's", not insulting.
Just proves my point , the world hangs off of Americas nuts. A comfortable place for Sweden I know, but I thought Hungary was based.
>>69111384
An offshoot from christian identity. I haven't.
>>69101194
>>69101194
>Gun crazies
Barely two dozen!
>Islam crazies
Go and have a look at the statistics for Sharia approval
>>69111537
>Sharia law is not extremism
It is, actually. When its in direct conflict with local laws. No one cares what muslims do in muslim countries, just stay there and be happy to be poor and miserable.
>>69101194
>a few radicals
Have you read the Koran?
>>69111573
>Being called fat is not insulting
Are you proud to be a degenerate?
>>69111573
Don't forget what group of people that genetically enriched your ancestors.
>>69111537
i have absolutely no problem with them having sharia law in their own countries.
here, it's extremism.
>>69111803
The laws of the occupying government do not get to say what is and is not extreme about Allah's teachings. Sharia will become the eventual law. There's nothing extreme about inevitability. You knew damn well I was a snake.
>>69101984
/thread islam is cancer. kill them all
>I'm going to introduce you to the radical notion that some fo your 'groups' might have much, much more in common than others.
The degree of commonality is irrelevent when people are allocating blame for a subgroup's actions on an entire group.
>It's not so open to interpretation as to not matter at all.
It is completely open to interpretation. The % of whatever group you believe is the threshold limit to begin allocating blame for a subgroups actions to an entire group is dependent on your own personal views.
>functioning threat perception
Dat generalization
>No muslims = no muslim terrorist attacks
No assault weapons = no assault weapon murder
Punish the entire group because of 1 subgroup?
Your logic is twisted
>>69103386
>christianity
And your point being?
>>69111930
what do these words even mean
>>69108888
You're right about the number of real terrorists being incredibly small, but you don't take sympathizers into account.
Only a few publicly condemn them while the majority are relatively silent in the matter. In this case, it doesn't matter if the silent majority even disagree with the radicals actions, because not enough of them are speaking up about it. If the silent majority does nothing, then what they think is irrelevant.
>>69111527
Generalisations are wrong, as I've just proven with my math. 99.99375% wrong, to be precise.
I'm an atheist Chinese. Singapore is majority Chinese. I am absolutely rolling in the aisles about religions bashing each other. It's even more hilarious when Abrahamic religions do it.
You guys really show how people use selective vision. Our religion has denominations and branches but they're just towel headed crazies. Funny, isn't it? Apparently a billion people out there are out to get innocent people like you who they've never met, disregarding their personal safety to kill and slaughter your family. You'd think they just want peace and order and money but surely no one wearing a towel can want peace and order and money.
>>69112149
Heathen, back to r/atheism
>>69112335
>Heathen
You can't shame the shameless.
>>69111853
Gotcha.
>be Sweden
>rather be raped than racist
>be American
>get fat
Guys, apparently we are the ones that are degenerate.
>>69111803
No, it is not. Extremism is the use of violence for political/religious motives, specially in context of Islam it's targeting of innocnece for violence. Sharia is a law of governance. Even Christians can live there, they just pay a special tax or something.
Sharia is extreme though, with the stoning and whatnot.
>>69111887
Those stats passed around here are all from Muslim countries.
>>69112424
>>69112144
>Dat generalization
That isn't an argument.
I guess I'll post it again;
>the government shouldn't be able to tell me whether i can own a gun or not
is not equivalent
>I don't want the native population of my country to be replaced by a never ending stream third world foreigners of an entirely different culture just so that left wing parties have a bigger voting bloc and corporate jews have cheap labour
answer the fucking point you slimy fuck.
It's not a 'punishment' to put a halt to government-sponsored population replacement. There is no moral imperative to have mass islamic immigration. They don't fucking belong here, and a big enough portion of them actively hate us enough that they are a threat.
>No assault weapons = no assault weapon murder
You have a RIGHT to arm yourself, muslims do not have a RIGHT to move to the west.
>>69108888
They don't all have to be terrorists though. Only a small number of Muslims need to actually carry out terrorist attacks, the rest just need to either support their actions or even just be indifferent. Your number forgets to mention the millions of fundamentalist Muslims in the world right now that support these terrorists ideologically, politcally, and financially. They may not be be willing to button up a bomb vest or shoulder a rifle themselves, but they support the people who are, and that allows the radicals to expand their influence.
Many Muslims in Canada have condemned the radical element of their faith publicly, and I commend them for doing so, but Muslims around the world still need to do more. It can't come from anyone else but muslims; if a Christian tells a radical muslim that it's wrong to kill innocent people, or kidnap them and force them to convert to Islam, it's meaningless. They would take it as a sign that they were doing something right.
>>69112610
Again, your point?
>>69112597
Men don't get raped by muslims. I couldn't give a rat's ass about our women getting raped. They wanted an influx of muslims. Reap as you sow.
You on the other hand, have a high probability of being overweight, thus you are most likely a degenerate.
>>69110865
>I'm going to introduce you to the radical notion that some fo your 'groups' might have much, much more in common than others.
The degree of commonality is irrelevent when people are allocating blame for a subgroup's actions on an entire group.
>It's not so open to interpretation as to not matter at all.
It is completely open to interpretation. The % of whatever group you believe is the threshold limit to begin allocating blame for a subgroups actions to an entire group is dependent on your own personal views.
>functioning threat perception
Dat generalization
>No muslims = no muslim terrorist attacks
No assault weapons = no assault weapon murder
Punish the entire group because of 1 subgroup?
Your logic is nonsensical and highlights my initial point that: generalisations are ok when they align with your personal views
>>69101194
It's a false equivalence. It's assuming that gun owners are united by an ideology and should be judged as such, which is incorrect. But Islam is a religion and by definition is a unifying set of ideas, so it's ok to make broader judgements.
The argument in the op is basically
>all gun owners are hunters because they're gun owners
>I can say this because I know that all Christians believe in the resurrection of Christ because they are Christians
>>69101194
guns are required to protect against other guns
muslims are not required to defend against other muslims.
>>69112713
My point is that I don't need to shame you, your people are doing it for you.
>>69101194
Daily reminder that moderate islam doesn't exist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OogwK5fRHI
>>69112605
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/51-of-u-s-muslims-want-sharia-60-of-young-muslims-more-loyal-to-islam-than-to-u-s
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
You bang on about muslims having as many denominations as christianity...but Jesus told people to turn the other cheek, not to push gays off of buildings and behead jews.
The west came from christianity. Our culture is not compatible with islam.
>>69112234
I don't see why they should tell people they're against it, activism is a load of arse in my opinion. Literally all talk. If they really want to do something join the law.
But a fair bit of them happen to condemn extremism in their own way. They call it a fatwa, it's a formal opposition by a Muslim cleric, regular Muslims can't give it.
A fatwa refuting the Taliban ideology of extremism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa_on_Terrorism
Indian clerics sign fatwa against terrorism
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/70000-indian-muslim-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-isis-the-taliban-al-qaida-and-other-terror-groups-a6768191.html
>>69103138
Weewlad
>>69112767
Religions have several different denominations that vary greatly in terms of ideologies. See christian identity, protestantism, messianic judaism.
>>69112877
What people?
Others who also do not believe in god?
There is no commonality between atheists Beyond not believing in a god.
>>69101194
>"Don't generalize all gun-owners based on the the actions of a few crazies."
I dont give a shit what nogunz faggots think about me
I don't believe in moderate followers of a religion. If you're picking and choosing verses because you want to fit in better with society you aren't a true believer in your own religion. I don't see how you can argue that if you ignore the things people outside of your religion are telling you are bad.
Yeah the majority of self-declared "Muslims" are peaceful. But only because the majority of Muslims disregard their religious teachings for social acceptance.
If they really don't want to be lumped in with the terrorist types they should create a schism and break away under a different name with revised texts, Until then, I'm going to judge a religion by it's teachings, not the actions of a majority.
>>69102138
Islam is an ideology
#notallnazis
>>69113074
That doesn't negate the fact that they have core tenants shared by all denominations
We should ban all new purchases of guns just until we know what's happening. Something is happening and it's not good.
>>69101194
Having a firearm by your side will protect you from other people that would do you harm, see any attempted gun store robbery.
Having a muslim by your side will not protect you from another muslim.
>>69101194
Owning a gun isn't the same that following a lifestyle you get from one book which content cannot be discussed.
A gun owner can be libertarian, gay faggot and shit. A muslim is a muslim.
>>69113193
My point is that you can't judge an entire religion just because of one denomination.
>>69107759
-No one in the US or anywhere else is forcing people to own or carry guns.
-No one in the US or anywhere else is killing people to push gun rights.
-In every country there are muslims pushing for shariah law for everyone.
-In every country there are muslims forcing people to convert.
-In every country there are muslims killing to push their ideology.
>>69101984
This, people who murder people with guns dont kill in the name of guns. Mudslimes kill in the name of their molester propher
>>69112744
This is what we don't understand. You would rather watch your women get raped than be fat. Sounds like Swedish logic.
>>69101194
A gun is a tool.
Islam is a belief system.
The users of a tool can be varied in their beliefs. The adherents of a belief system, by its very definition, cannot.
>>69113103
I guess that's why they have a name for their "non-belief", organisations, churches, etc.
>>69112282
>It's just a minority of extremists!
>>69112662
I dont give a fuck your immigration views dickwad. Just because my point about the retardedness of generalisations might have upset you, you dont need to throw a strawman argument at me.
My point is simply that generalisations such as: all muslims are terrorists, is retarded. I dont understand your anger about this???
>I don't want the native population of my country to be replaced by a never ending stream third world foreigners.....
Was never mentioned and is not equal to
>all muslims are terrorists
Where the fuck did you get that from??
>>69113417
That's not what I said. I was saying that you have a high chance of being a degenerate because both men and women get fat in burgerland. I've never heard of a man being raped by muslims in Sweden, thus I don't have a high chance of being a degenerate in that aspect.
one is a fundamental way of thinking the other a tool
>>69113367
But you can judge a religion by it's core tenants.
>>69113437
>a name for their "non-belief"
A-theism
Non theistic
Non belief
it is literally non-belief
>organisations
Is a book club a religion also?
>churches
Now your just making shit up.
>>69113265
>Having a muslim by your side will not protect you from another muslim.
What if the muslim by your side has a gun?
There, I ran rings around you, logically.
>>69101194
OP is a faggot he's trying to turn the Liberal's arguments around
>"Don't generalize all muslims based on the the actions of a few crazies."
>But anon, you generalize all gun owners based on the actions of a few crazies.
>>69112745
>The degree of commonality is irrelevent when people are allocating blame for a subgroup's actions on an entire group.
It's MORE relevant in that case you fucking retard. The higher a groups commonality, the more blame can be allocated on them as a whole.
It's makes sense for a shop owner to be wary of blacks if blacks are the ones who try and rob him way more often than other groups.
It's nonsense for him to be wary of people wearing shoes because everyone who ever robbed him was a shoe-wearer.
I don't feel like I should have to explain such a fucking simple concept.
>>69113042
>If they really want to do something join the law.
That's equally as useless if not more so, because then you're not be preventative, you're being reactive. Sure you may have prevented an attack, but you still have a radical. Plus with today's political minefield, it's not like you can just be actively investigating them.
While it's good some are condemning the attacks, not enough are. I don't know if this is because they're scared, or if it's because they don't care.
I'm curious about your stats in >>69108888 though regarding gun deaths. Was police actions taken into account anywhere? Did it give you a breakdown of what ethnic groups were committing the murders? That info is more valuable than just a blanket death number.
>>69113744
>What if the muslim by your side has a gun?
Then he'll shoot you in the sides, and I ain't talking about a funny joke neither.
>>69113679
>Now your just making shit up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/atheist-church/
>Is a book club a religion also?
Atheist organisations revolve around atheism. If the book club revolves around scripture, then yes I would say it's a religious book club?
>Non belief. It is literally non-belief
So? Their ideology has a name. It's adherents too.
>>69113576
but no one is saying all muslims are terrorists who will blow themselves up.
none of us would give the slightest fuck about muslim terrorism if none of it was focused on our nations. we're not saying all muslims are terrorists, we're saying enough of them are terrorists or extremists or sympathizers that we DON'T FUCKING WANT THEM HERE. that's why immigration is relevant moron.
>>69101194
>radicals
You don't have to be ISIS to be aggressively retarded brown filth.
>>69101194
Non-radical gun owners generally do not support school shootings and the like.
"Non-radical" muslims generelly do support stoning for adultery, oppression of women and faggots, beheading apostates and suicide bombings.
>>69104381
Except for Timothy Mcveigh, the Army of God, the KKK, Dylan Roof, The Covenant the sword and the arm of the lord, phineas priesthood, etc
>>69114004
Anon you totally missed the part where they don't actually call themselves a "church"
The HuffPost just gave them that title to make it seem more stupid. Their self-given title it "Sunday Assemblies" for the purpose of building communities.
>>69114194
Run down a total killcount, please.
And the size of all of these organizations stacked against the number of Muslims that believe death is a reasonable punishment for apostasy.
>>69114265
>They don't call themselves a church therefore they're not a church.
Okay.jpg. So if a muslim extremist doesn't call himself an extremist, he's not an extremist? Good logic.
>>69113588
no you are degenerate for not caring if your women get raped. Just keep on the fat train Swedebro.
Just so you know I agree with you on fat being degenerate. I just am having trouble with the concept that watching your women get raped is somehow on equal footing as getting fat.
>>69101194
Guns don't come with an instruction manual on who you should kill.
>>69114354
The definition of church literally REQUIRES worship. Just because you arbitrarily decided to title it doesn't make it true either you fucking moron.
>>69114194
Hey cool, like 5 examples across multiple decades and continents, this means we should totally not talk about the fact that muslims are killing people everyday.
>>69114364
They wanted an influx of muslim immigrants. They have made statements such as "#notyourwoman". If you criticize islam or the immigration, you're a racist, fascist, bigoted neo-nazi islamophobe. I don't see why I should protect literal whores who sympathise with these sand niggers.
>>69101194
Where in the second ammendament it says "you shall use your rights to shoot up schools"?
>>69108051
why are we indulging this defenseless cuck?
>>69114004
>huffingtonpost
really now, are you going to start quoting Buzzfeed next?
>organisations
Would a Star Wars fan club be a religion because it revolves around something specific, if not then what defines a religion and if so then what defines a religion?
>ideology
Atheism is not an ideology, it is a lack of a belief in a god. Technically Buddhists are atheists. An atheist can have any ideology as long as they do not believe in a god.
>>69101194
Where's the Gun Owner's Scripture that says you must wage total war on such-and-such?
>>69114685
Looks like you need Jesus. Filthy dumb fedora scum.
>>69101194
>>69114564
Good luck Sweden. I agree with you. The world is fascinated with the destruction of blonde whores.
>>69114685
http://firstchurchofatheism.com/faq/
>>69114893
>you need Jesus
Because why exactly?
>Filthy dumb fedora scum.
How Christ like.
>>69114443
See >>>69115112
>>69115112
I suppose you think the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real too.
>>69113907
Your example is another in your line of strawmans. if the shop keeper assumed 100% of black people (eg extremely well dressed guy driving mercedes or the POTUS) would steal shit from his shop, he is a retard. That is my point
>>69114107
Already covered. OPs post did and that's what Ive been referring to.
Anyways Ive got work tomorrow, I need to sleep. It's been fun
>>69104537
>They are simply recognizing rights that you already have that are derived from your humanity.
>he actually believes in natural rights
Why are anti-federalists so autistic.
>>69101194
Moderate islam is horrible too. Even though 80% of muslims dont blow themselves up or w/e 100% of them still want shariah law, thats enough reason not to want them here.
>>69115264
One normal gun owner can stop a crazy gun owner yet muslims help each other with silence about the terrorist attacks.
>>69101194
Respond with the verses of the Coran that incite terror and violence against non muslims, simple.
>>69115512
it's a more robust system.
>>69115708
I could also take retarded atheist arguments against intelligent christian arguments. Does that prove anything?
>>69115985
>intelligent christian
You believe in an all seeing magic man who will punish you for eternity if you don't love him. How am I suppose to take anything you say seriously?
>>69115339
did i say the shopkeeper would assume that 100% of black people are robbers? or did i say that it would make sense if he was more cautious. a generalization like that is useful, and often wise.
OP's post was retarded. Saying that it's wrong to assume all muslims are terrorists is a waste of your time and everyone elses because it's a straw man.
>>69109056
so?
yes?
no?
>>69101194
owning a gun isn't an ideology.
>>69116355
You believe your ultimate ancestor is a pool of mud that came to life after it got struck by lightning. How am I suppose to take anything you say seriously?
