Thoughts on Voter ID laws /pol/?
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Thoughts on Voter ID laws /pol/?
>>69081039
Very good for the right wing. Keeps lowlifes from voting.
>>69081039
poo in loos can do it, why can't we?
>>69081039
I can't understand why anyone would be against them.
It's pretty fascist to not let people vote just because they aren't legally allowed to
>>69081039
If you're too lazy or stupid to get an ID, I'm glad you can't vote.
even Indians can do it
pretty much every other country in the world does it, I'm from Canada btw
>>69081039
Fine with me, as long as it's the government's job to make sure everyone has an ID, instead of their own job.
If the government wants to impose strict verification laws, then it is their job to obtain the verification. They don't get to deny people the right to vote because the people didn't jump through the hoops.
>>69081039
>Can you identify yourself?
>Okay, you may vote
What is so hard about this.
If a valid ID is free to get I don't see the big deal.
Pretty nearly every other nation in the world, including the socialist European countries that liberals love to idolize, require ID to vote. This isn't some unreasonable requirement.
>>69081202
Because they want the democrats to win.
>having to have a valid photo ID to the voting booth is the equivalent of having to run through a giant maze
wooooooooow what a fascist making it so illegal mexicans can't go vote and stuff the ballot box with Democrat straight-party tickets and come out to get his $5 and gibsmedat care package
>>69081211
"You don't have any security at your bank?"
"We've never had a problem with robbers."
"But anyone could walk in here."
"Yes, but you're not listening. We've never had a problem."
>>69081254
Dude, in Mex you need your vote ID not just for voting but for many other things. I don't understand why you guys don't have that basic stuff.
>>69081410
>straight-party tickets
The ultimate statement in blind loyalty.
>>69081254
Came here to post this.
>>69081476
>I don't understand why you guys don't have that basic stuff.
Because it's racist to expect minorities to be able to afford a Voter ID.
No really, that's the position the Democrats take on it.
>>69081252
Valid ID shouldn't be hard. And to avoid a "poll tax" you provide free photo ID. Why wouldn't you want to take a measure against voter fraud?
What is it trying to accomplish? making it harder for people to vote?
>>69081039
The law is: do you have one or not. I don't see how it's complicated.
>>69081039
We have it in Australia, it's simple and it works, I dunno what that cartoonist is on but it's really not that difficult
>>69081039
US Public Library's enforce a strict policy of presenting both a photo ID and proof of address in order to acquire a library card.
... why should requirements for voting be any less?
>>69081361
Alabama famously instituted voter ID, then promptly closed 90% of their DMV offices, specifically ones in or close to democrat-voting districts.
I'm fine with the concept of IDs, but the government should be the one registering you and making sure you get your ID, not the other way around.
>>69081039
If you can't get off your ass and get ID you don't deserve to vote.
>>69081601
Making it so only legal people can vote.
>>69081601
Making it harder for people who aren't allowed to vote to vote.
Because i know you all love this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto
I hope people don't watch this just because "it's a different opinion", if anything it should be the opposite
>>69081703
It's more inefficient that way. There's a reason the government doesn't handle a lot of your forms like that. Your example is disagreeable though. The government needs to be neutral and not use crafty tricks like that.
>>69081546
>to be able to afford a Voter ID
If you can't afford free then you have more pressing issues.
They should just make it so you need ID to collect welfare. That way no one can call needing ID to vote voter suppression.
b-but I have to actually give a shit and put in 10 minutes of work to decide the fate of my nation, it's razis
>>69081851
Imagine if you didn't get a social security number, nor any of the money you are owed, unless you went and waited in line for 2 hours at the DMV every 3 years. But you still had to pay taxes.
>>69081875
...m8...
>>69081039
>Oh no, I have to show my Driver's licence/Birth certificate/vetted picture ID
>how tyrannical
>habbening inbound
>>69081557
They make it hard. And there is no voter fraud.
Pathetic, really, that the right-wing can't win elections on the strength of their ideas, and instead rely on gerrymandering and voter suppression.
>>69081601
Exactly.
>>69081039
Register online and bring your state id or drivers license
That's all you need to do. People who complain about difficulties voting are generally the lower 70% in intelligence
>>69081703
And I agree that's bullshit, should add an asterisk to my previous post, *free and as easy as possible (assuming you have the proper credentials to prove citizenship of course). Although I don't know if government collecting all the paperwork would be feasible/practical
>>69081546
>>69081476
13$ per ID at the highest.
Keep in mind poor black people buy 200$ shoes.
Poor Mexicans buy 1000$ stereos for their loud ass parties.
Poor Asians buy high tech computers to do Asian things on.
Most if not all of these poor minorities have Iphones.
Yet somehow none of them can afford a 13$ card?
>>69081039
We need a more organized voting system. If the government issued them for free then no one would complain.
>>69081039
why even have elections?
Why not let Africa vote in US election?
Absolutely necessary. And in no way discriminatory. You need an ID to do anything in this country(unless you are illegal)
>>69082222
quads of truth
>>69082046
>Pathetic, really, that the right-wing can't win elections on the strength of their ideas
The left wing owns basically all media, all of hollywood and all of education. The fact the right wing can even sometimes win is either a miracle or proof the left wing is really fucking retarded.
>>69082204
But if someone already has credentials to prove citizenship
And they need those credentials to register to vote in the first place
Why do they need the ID? You're just adding a step.
Even in the few states that don't require you bring credentials, what's wrong with them bringing the credentials they would use to get the ID with? Why add the step?
>>69082046
>no voter fraud
Kek congratulations you are the dumbest person I have ran into today
>Incredibly obvious way the dems use to bolster votes from illegals they promise gibsmes to
>Still hasn't been fixed
Americans, explain this
>>69082222
u dont know shit
Literally every civilized nation has them, i don't know why people on both sides of the aisle are so opposed to it. If you're so poor you don't have ID your life is so fucked i'm sure Voting is the last of your concerns. And voting isn't going to usher in some fucking mark of the beast nonsense.
Also, how in christs name do you guys not have some form of basic federal identification? This isn't the fucking 1800s dude.
>>69081039
>muh democracy
>>69082046
>, and instead rely on gerrymandering and voter suppression.
What else can they do? Import millions of foreigners like the democrats?
>>69082408
Why would it be fixed if the dems want it?
>>69081438
i dunno if you're making the point that there isn't any fraud, and thus no reason to take care of it.
it'd be insanely irresponsible to not have security at a bank with more than a few members
In america you need an ID to buy liquor, gamble, and tobacco.
All things even the poorest of poor does so it means they have an ID.
voter ID laws only hurt dems trying to get illegals to vote.
>>69082423
Also, whenever i see democucks saying "VOTER FRAUD IS ONLY 0.07% HURR" it makes me wonder, how can you possibly measure something like that? That 0.07% are the percentage that are found, there could be fucking hundreds of people who do it and get away with it and they would never appear on statistics.
How the fuck can you actually uncover voter fraud other than sheer dumb luck.
>>69082408
LBJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1rIDmDWSms
Don't you need ID to get government money and welfare? Why not just make the voter ID whatever the ID requirement for that shit?
>>69081978
You still file your tax returns though, and you have to let the government know about your child's birth to get a birth certificate and your social security number. They're not the all seeing eye, just because a baby is squeezed out of a vagina in some remote shack in Death's Valley doesn't mean they're liable to come contact you and give you your documentation.
>>69081039
>go to vote
>show ID to prove who I am
>vote
Why is this so hard?
>>69082046
literally every other civilized nation has voter id laws
even the commie nordic countries that cucks like you love so much
youre a fucking retard
>>69082517
This is the anti-ID logic.
"We don't need voter ID's, because there is no such thing as voter fraud".
>>69082423
Its easy, you are an illegal trying to change the laws of a nation you don't belong to.
fucking based california laws, I just show up, tell them my name and vote, no ID required, must suck to live in a fuck you state
>>69082341
Billions of dollars pumped in by the Kochs and the likes of Sheldon Adelson. ALEC. Think tanks.
>>69082390
Handful of cases ever found, out of hundreds of millions of votes cast.
>>69082469
They can lose this upcoming election. That's what they can do. And then we wait for the old people to die.
>>69082724
i'm somewhat agreed but i think it's backwards to have voter ID laws, in Washington state you register to vote when you get your ID and they send the ballots in the mail.
not only does it seem to me this would eliminate much of the fraud
(i mean people can steal them, and it happened once and someone was busted, because the logistics of making a substantial impact outside small counties in swing states would make it really hard)
but it just makes the whole thing pretty easy, primaries would be a bitch, but they kind of are anyway.
>>69081202
>I can't understand why anyone would be against them.
Because retards who can't follow instructions or laws go liberal
>>69082713
bcuz it oppresiv, peeple be wurkin too hard got 2 look afta dey kids n shiet, itz an unreasonable request to go get sum id, even tho i got da time to go vote n shiet
>>69082947
>found
>>69081039
They make sense, but getting a voter ID should be relatively easy for legal citizens.
Which is why state-issued photo ID is also a pretty good standard.
There honestly is a problem with certain states making it exceedingly difficult for people to obtain the proper forms of voter ID. If we want that kind of identification to be the standard everywhere, then we have to correct this.
>>69082947
>And then we wait for the old people to die.
You mean wait until Whites are no longer a majority and the ethnic voting blocs take over
>>69081039
all for them as long as its state funded and we have the day off to vote
democrats hate the former and republicans hate the latter
>>69082947
>They can lose this upcoming election. That's what they can do. And then we wait for the old people to die.
lol, a one party state is paradise to you?
and I'm glad you're so fond of death, shows you're not much different than the average racist imbecile
>>69081039
Right wing tactic to prevent hard working Americans from voting
Anyone that's that confused by getting a second ID doesn't need to be voting.
>>69082828
This is why most Americans hate you
>>69082340
>tfw this movie is slowly becoming true
>>69083241
Election day isn't considered a holiday in burgerland? That sucks
>>69081039
Can't be enacted soon enough.
>>69082046
>they can't even spend the time to get an ID
>they'll for some reason listen to the idea's of politicians.
M8, the left runs most schools and most of the media. What's shocking is that you fuckers lose any election with all the advantages you have.
Republicans make it harder for minorities to vote because they would lose all elections otherwise
>>69083239
The white racists are mostly old men, you young guys here are an exception and a tiny minority. Most people in the US aren't racist and never will be.
So, die without winning elections. At least the old racists haven't got long to live, but you young racists can look forward to decades of political losses.
>>69083260
Oh, new parties will arise. Not to fear.
>>69083405
One of the best ever.
>>69083463
minorities can't get themselves an ID?
that's pretty racist
The lengths that Dems will go to to cry voter suppression always astounds me. You should hear these cucks whine about how their employers should be required to give them Election Day off work
>It's not fair! Some people have to work all day!
>Oh no worries, we have early voting locations all over that you can go to five days a week, most of the time for up to a month before the election. And if you can't do that, we'd be happy to send you an absentee ballot in the mail that you can fill out and send back at your leisure!
>NOT GOOD ENOUGH, HELP I'M BEING OPPRESSED
Yeah, remembering to bring your driver's license or state ID to the voting office is such an incomprehensible maze.
>>69082828
>Fucking cucked commifornia laws
Ftfy
>>69082416
A FUCKING LEAF!?
>>69083511
>but you young racists can look forward to decades of political losses
Country might go to spics, but hey, at maybe whites will stop being retarded when it comes to non-whites.
Probably won't, but they, I'd rather live in Mexico than South Africa.
>>69081875
It's less that they can't buy it, and more to allow people to vote who legally can't, including non-residents and felons. (both of which overwhelmingly lean left)
>have state ID
>no problem
Jesus Christ it isn't that hard.
>>69081039
POOS have them for fucks sake.
The left just wants illegal alien votes.
ID EVERYONE
ID EVERYTHING
ID ALL THE TIME
>>69081254
Of course every voter has a voter ID, they need one to become a voter. What matters is what percentage of the population actually votes before and after they implemented voter ID.
>>69082416
I come from that economic environment. That is 100% true.
I've lived in an area with lower middle class minorities, and the three biggest topics are sports teams (basket ball and football only) who has the freshest J's, or how poor they are and can't afford to pay the bills.
>>69083463
You mean republicans wanting to subvert the dems trying to let people who shouldn't be voting, vote
>>69081039
They should be passed everywhere, along with free state ID's if the income thing is really a big deal (which I don't think it is) but I feel it's a valid use of resources to eliminate fraud in the system.
>>69083867
SHALL
>>69083427
Poor little victimized rightists.
>You lose in the marketplace of ideas.
>>69081039
If you're 18 or above and don't have a valid picture ID, you shouldn't get to vote. You're a waste of space and you should probably kill yourself.
>>69081039
>the process of getting an id is comparable to a labyrinth
How do these people manage to bathe without drowning?
>>69083957
Some of them do drown while bathing.
>>69081039
Any regulation that has a tendency to make it more difficult for a US citizen to vote should be avoided.
It also seems rather redundant as the identification is determined at time of voter registration.
>>69082222
>high tech computers to do Asian things on.
10/10 would kek again.
>>69084032
>So you're Mike Smith from 123 Main St
>Si
>Well he's registered so good enough for me!
Meanwhile Mike's been dead for three years
>>69082416
Oh, what a staggering argument you've provided. I've never considered that view point. I love how you've provided facts, and sources, and didn't resort to name-calling or other logical fallacies.
>>69084032
>identification is determined at time of voter registration.
So if they have identification what's the problem?
>>69081546
Um...
Even poor minorities get IDs. For free, of course.
Gotta keep a track of 'em.
>>69084217
>So you're Mike Smith from 123 Main St
Doing it wrong if volunteering information for him to say "Si" to.
>Meanwhile Mike's been dead for three years
Which the state would most likely be informed of. I wonder if the problem lies with the voters or the state in this situation?
>>69083873
they had record turnout last election you stupid cuck
http://qz.com/208578/heres-how-indias-record-setting-voter-turnout-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world/
And that was when they were voting for based Modi
>>69081039
Voter ID laws should be passed everywhere. If you're too stupid and/or lazy to get an ID then you don't deserve to vote.
>>69084353
>Doing it wrong if volunteering information for him to say "Si" to.
Okay
>I'm Mike Smith from 123 Main St
>Good enough for me!
>I wonder if the problem lies with the voters or the state in this situation?
There's definitely a problem with the state, the fact that they don't ask the person to do the extremely rudimentary task of providing a photo ID to prove they are who they say they are
I don't get the hullabaloo about the voter ID laws. 18, first time voter. Super excited to vote for months, went to go register all the way back in January. Got my voter ID in the mail the next week, only cost $8.
Honestly, it's more of a hassle than anything.
>>69083915
>>You lose in the marketplace of ideas.
M8, you're on /pol/, the freest marketplace of ideas there is.
And lefties lose badly. Face it, you need a controlled system for ideas just as you want a controlled system for money.
You might want to stick to reddit where you can ban the competition.
>>69084564
>There's definitely a problem with the state
Then the solution is not for the state to do a better job at combating voter fraud, the solution is to make it more difficult for voters to vote?
>>69081039
I never understood "voter suppression" bullshit
You are a first world and you guys cant even enforce something simple.
>>69084730
Exactly how can the state be expected to combat voter fraud without making any changes in how people verify themselves?
>>69081202
The Democrats are against them because that's the party that's really popular with illegals and the dead.
>>69081039
I had to renew my Driver's License last December to not only buy liquor legally, but to vote, buy guns from my LGS, and buy cigarettes even though I don't smoke that shit.
If I can fucking do it, dumb niggers and illegal spics can prove that they are an actual legal voter who votes on who will lead this country. We are the only country not to verify who is voting for our leaders, which can be seen as treason.
To address the cartoon: it takes an afternoon at the DMV. If you can't fucking do that, then you can't fucking vote on the leaders of our fucking country.
>>69084730
>the solution is to make it more difficult for voters to vote?
Yes, it is. Expansion of voting rights to the entire populace was a mistake
>>69081039
>going to the unemployment office for gibsmedats is fine
>going to the DMV for an ID card is voter suppression
>>69084969
>Exactly how can the state be expected to combat voter fraud without making any changes in how people verify themselves?
In your own example? By keeping better track of who is alive and dead would be one way. The state is alerted to a death by a hospital, during probate of a will or intestacy, by police reports, etc.
>>69084730
It's not more difficult. That's a fucking lie perpetrated by leftists who want to let criminals and non-residents vote. There's nothing difficult about getting a driver's license or state ID.
>>69081202
because illegals can't vote that way
>>69084353
If the voters had the identification to register to vote what exactly is the problem with asking them for the same identification they presented to register to vote?
>they registered using their birth certificate or some other inconvenient form of identification which it doesn't make sense to take to the polling place!
Ok so why not just issue people their voter id's at the same time they register to vote in the first place?
>>69084728
Never been on reddit, sorry.
The marketplace is much bigger than this obscure website.
>>69081039
All this shit about laws making voting hard are left wing conspiracies. Voting is easy as hell and if you can't figure out how to do it you probably shouldn't be voting in the first place. I'd bet money the person who drew that cartoon was probably paid by some special interest group. Our society is fucked.
>>69085109
>It's not more difficult.
Bullshit. When you could be identified by a non-photo ID voter card or by stating personal information it becomes more difficult when stricter forms of identification are required.
>>69085137
>If the voters had the identification to register to vote what exactly is the problem with asking them for the same identification they presented to register to vote?
Depends on the circumstances but let's say my wallet got stolen the day before the election. Or perhaps I registered ten years ago but I've let my DL lapse since I switched to cycle-commuting or had to give up driving due to too many DUIs.
>Ok so why not just issue people their voter id's at the same time they register to vote in the first place?
Most states do but they are not photo ID. Most states are also unwilling to pay for issuing photo IDs and require the voter to produce it (passing the costs to the voters).
Personally, I'd like to see polls with tablets and thumbscanners or something that makes identification of the voter the state's responsibility not the voter's.
>>69085109
They closed all the DMV offices in black counties in Alabama.
>could not be more transparent voter suppression
>>69085346
>Bullshit. When you could be identified by a non-photo ID voter card or by stating personal information it becomes more difficult when stricter forms of identification are required.
How is it more difficult? All it means is you have to bring your driver's license. It's not that fucking hard.
>>69085346
>Depends on the circumstances but let's say my wallet got stolen the day before the election. Or perhaps I registered ten years ago but I've let my DL lapse since I switched to cycle-commuting or had to give up driving due to too many DUIs.
Then you're fucked, just as I'm fucked if my car breaks down the day before. Sorry, but you don't get to have your ass wiped while you determine the fate of a nation.
>>69084730
A randomized 10 question civics test should be required before you can vote. This is how you fix democracy.
>>69085394
>How is it more difficult?
Did you read the entire post? There were some examples given in the post.
>>69085446
>A randomized 10 question civics test should be required before you can vote.
Wasn't there a study that showed most Americans would fail the citizenship test required for naturalization?
>>69081039
> bring a drivers license or birth certificate
Only hard for illegals m8.
>>69085432
>you don't get to have your ass wiped while you determine the fate of a nation.
Because most voting that occurs is national voting not state and municipality?
>>69085504
Most Americans should't vote tbqh
Or should be forced to study at the very least
>>69085541
>Because most voting that occurs is national voting not state and municipality?
Because you have no reading comprehension?
>>69085555
>Most Americans should't vote tbqh
You ever heard the saying "Opinions are like assholes?"
>>69085392
holy kek thats based
>>69085523
Except when they granted a bunch of illegals driver's licenses for no reason.
I'm depressed and suicidal and I have a voter ID. I got it when I got my fucking driver's license.
>>69085392
>close in poor areas
>itz le conspiracy xD
>bring a valid form of ID
>THIS IS TOO COMPLICATED, HOW CAN I BE EXPECTED TO BRING MY ID WITH ME?
>>69085595
I'm sorry but I don't see how my reading comprehension has anything to do with the frequency and prevalence of non-national voting. Care to explain it to me or are you merely trying to be edgy?
>>69085392
That map does not show what you think it does. About have of the predominantly black counties are closed, about half of the predominately white counties are closed. But more importantly, that map aligns very well with a population density map. I don't know over what period this map was made, but clearly the actual cause is that a lower demand in more rural DMV offices results in less time open.
>>69085664
I don't either, that's why I didn't mention it
>>69085392
>all those closed offices in 0-10% black counties
Oh look, it's fucking nothing. They closed needless offices in rural counties.
>>69081039
Any legal resident can get a free ID from their local government office. Seeing as getting the ID is no more difficult than registering to vote, seems fine with me.
>>69085702
You admit you are merely attacking my character, my reading comprehension, to evoke an emotional reaction?
>>69085346
>Depends on the circumstances but let's say my wallet got stolen the day before the election
What are the odds of that happening
> Or perhaps I registered ten years ago but I've let my DL lapse since I switched to cycle-commuting or had to give up driving due to too many DUIs.
and you never felt the need to vote in that decade long period but now you do? Here's a simple solution; issue voter id cards that don't expire, or accept expired driver's licenses as identification.
>Most states do but they are not photo ID. Most states are also unwilling to pay for issuing photo IDs and require the voter to produce it (passing the costs to the voters).
If they're motivated enough to gather the documentation required to register to vote they're motivated enough to save up fifteen dollars for an identification card.
>Personally, I'd like to see polls with tablets and thumbscanners or something that makes identification of the voter the state's responsibility not the voter's.
I have no problem with that but the costs for such devices will get passed to the voters regardless, in the form of higher taxes.
>>69085468
The only valid example is losing your wallet, because losing your driver's license form DUIs would make you unable to vote in the first place.
And as far as that goes well, too fucking bad, I guess? You can't buy liquor without your DL, I don't see why you should expect to be able to vote.
>>69085762
Never mentioned any of that
Can't believe its actually even up for debate whether you need to actually be able to prove you are the person you say you are or not.
>>69085749
>Any legal resident can get a free ID from their local government office.
[citation needed]
In my state only those over 60 can waive the $15 fee to get a state photo ID.
>>69081476
You need some form of ID to do all sorts of things in the US as well. We understand this basic stuff perfectly. Democrats understand it as well and they understand it would prevent illegal aliens from voting for them.
>>69085841
So your whole thing is that you want incompetents who don't really give a shit to vote?
>>69085808
>The only valid example is losing your wallet
I'm sure losing my license from having too many DUIs isn't valid either. . .
>>69085832
>Never mentioned any of that
Did you change poster ID's since >>69085595
Nope. You clearly did mention my reading comprehension.
>>69085925
Are you supporting the assertion or posting merely to attack my character? If you have a citation please present it otherwise I see no point to your response.
>>69085841
Sorry, any legal resident in a state which requires voter ID can get a free ID from their local government office.
Every state to pass voter ID laws did this to avoid poll tax legal arguments.
>>69081039
>Getting free government identification is as complicated as going through a giant maze
All you do is provide a birth certificate. You were born, weren't you anon?
I guess anything is difficult to NEETs who sit on their ass all day.
>>69081039
> who are you?
> I'm not telling
> you shouldn't vote then.
> civil rights issue
>>69085930
>I'm sure losing my license from having too many DUIs isn't valid either. . .
It's not, because such a person cannot legally vote. Felons cannot vote. Which is one of the reasons dems want to keep voter identification loose.
>>69085988
I'm asking you why you're so concerned with the few imbeciles who can't be bothered to get their shit together. Are they an indispensable aspect of our democracy?
>>69085990
I still await your citation.
>somehow get voter id law passed in california
>state turns overwhelmingly red
>>69086047
>It's not, because such a person cannot legally vote. Felons cannot vote.
What state do you live in that DUI is a felony?
How dare someone have to prove they are who they are when partaking in one of the most important activities you can do in this country.
>fraud doesn't real
>every fucking election someone gets heat for putting dead people and expats on record
>democrats are literally threatening to let illegals vote in 2016
people who are against voter ID are scum
How can a group of 60 dead people from one apartment be expected to vote for the Democrats if you have to show ID?!
>>69086047
http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000286
>>69086073
Not him but here you go.
http://www.alabamavoterid.com/getfreephotovoterid.aspx
>>69086071
>I'm asking you why you're so concerned with the few imbeciles
Why do you care what I care about rather than addressing what I post about?
>>69081202
Because voter fraud
>>69086321
Why do I care about the main contention and not our little side shit? idk senpai
>>69086310
Only Alabama? I do believe the assertion was:
>Every state to pass voter ID laws did this to avoid poll tax legal arguments.
>>69086167
DUI sentencing will vary based on the number of previous offenses and whether anyone or anything was hurt because of your actions. But at the point at which you actually lose your license for good, you're well past the felony line
I know in texas, a third charge is a felony, and even then your DL is only suspended for 6 months, not terminated.
>mail out notice of the next election along with a slip of paper you show at your local polling station
>show it, get your name ticked off, vote
Wow so hard
>>69086388
>Why do I care about the main contention
Your attempt to pigeon-hole my argument as not part of the main contention is pathetic. You are free to address what I posted but I will not participate in a discussion about my character. Especially to someone who made an accusation about my reading comprehension and tried to revise his posting conduct after getting called on the fact.
>>69086397
Every state with people who aren't retards will make photo ID freely available when passing voter ID laws.
All the left can do is bitch about how hard it is to pay for ID. These niggers can manage to track down affordable smartphones but they can't get an ID.
>>69081202
because
>be out of state college student
>fill out absentee ballot for home state
>vote in person in your current state
>>69084406
retard, did you even read what he said?
>>69086397
Nigger I only know about my state and I didn't assert shit .
>>69083511
desu Hispanics are far more racist; things aren't looking good for black America
>>69086487
>ipate in a discussion about my character.
This is clearly about the argument. Since you have the emotional state of mind of a somewhat sclerotic fat woman, I'll rephrase.
Do you really believe vote id laws impede the democratic process?
>>69086435
>whether anyone or anything was hurt because of your actions
That situation is outside a DUI conviction. It typically falls under criminal negiligence, vehicular assault or when death occurs manslaughter convictions.
>a third charge is a felony
Under the typical "three strike" legislation? Check me on this but I think that also takes it outside of the DUI conviction.
>>69086513
>Every state with people who aren't retards will make photo ID freely available when passing voter ID laws.
Repeating the same assertion is not a valid argument after its reliability has been questioned.
>>69086397
How much time are we going to waste on this contrarian nigger?
http://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/georgia_voter_identification_requirements2
>>69086577
>Since you have the emotional state of mind of a somewhat sclerotic fat woman, I'll rephrase.
You have convinced me that you do not care to discuss the issue as you attack the character of people who do not agree with you. You are, at best, merely seeking self-validation but more likely trolling because you cannot handle disagreement in a mature manner.
>>69086647
>Repeating the same assertion is not a valid argument after its reliability has been questioned.
Well you're not going to get anywhere constantly begging people to prove your unique contrary situation isn't occurring.
It's basically a necessity for ID to be freely available to have ID be required at voting.
>>69086597
>That situation is outside a DUI conviction.
It's taken into account as far as classifying the DUI offense itself as well. Some states even have special classifications like "intoxication manslaughter"
>Under the typical "three strike" legislation?
No, under texas DUI law. Three strikes refers to increasing penalties for concurrent felonies, this is making the first three DUIs a class B misdemeanor, class A, and then a felony.
>>69086761
>It's basically a necessity for ID to be freely available to have ID be required at voting.
Why?
>>69086712
>uses bantz as an excuse to ignore my argument
>"hurr you don't care about the discussion"
>>69086803
So libcucks can't say anything about nigger not being able to afford a 10 dollar id..
>>69086761
>Well you're not going to get anywhere constantly begging people to prove your unique contrary situation isn't occurring.
You do realize that questioning an assertion does not mean I assume the directly opposite position?
>>69086803
Prevents an instant legal challenge.
Holder's DOJ still tried to find a reason to attack voter id laws, but ultimately failed to find a valid legal path to attack them.
Even with free voter ID's they still tried to claim it was Jim Crow (a Democrat policy) because blacks would be unfairly targeted by the need to go and get an ID.
Liberals just want their pet niggers and spics to be able to vote for each other since they know the bulk of them are too stupid and lazy to get out on election day
The real issue isn't voting for the dead and what not, it's voting for people who aren't going to do so themselves and will not dispute the fraud
Forcing people to have a photo ID is a good thing. The only problem is, not everyone has a photo ID in the united states. the reason why this works in canada is because everyone has at least one photo ID. Everyone who is eligible to vote is also eligible to use the national health insurance. And to use the national health insurance, you have to own your health insurance card, which has a photo and is an official government photo ID. The united states on the other hand doesn't have such a thing. Not everyone holds a driver's licenses, which is why this law is unfair as it is. If they were to issue a photo ID to anyone who turns 18 by mail or something, then there would be no problem, unfortunately they don't do this, which means some people won't be able to vote because of this law. That is the only issue I'm having.
>>69086788
>t's taken into account as far as classifying the DUI offense itself as well.
I think you are putting the cart before the horse. You get charged with other crimes along with the DUI not as a part of the DUI.
>No, under texas DUI law.
Got a citation for that? I thought it was similar to California law but it wouldn't be surprising if Cali went on a different legislative path yet again.
>>69086996
How about you fucking google it, I already closed the tab.
Anyway I gotta get to sleep.
>>69081039
India has voter ID laws, and they have almost 700 million voters and about 300 million live on less than $10 a day.
>mfw illegals can literally vote in California
>>69087058
>How about you fucking google it
One, my mother taught not to believe complete strangers. Just because you say the information exists is not enough to get me believe that I am not going off on a wild goose chase.
Two, if you cannot be bothered to support your own posts why should I bother to do it for you?
>>69081319
>Jump through the hoops
>To get a valid ID
Ya know how I know you're from reddit?
>>69087058
Oh, and I should note I was curious enough to look up "intoxication manslaughter" but it seems Texas is the only state that uses it.
Oh no i need an id to vote... sounds like a third world problem to me...
voting without id.. wtf.. is this even possible? how would this work??
>>69081039
How fucking complicated is it to get a driver's license or some other form of photo ID? Only a stupid degenerate or an illegal wouldn't have something like that in their pocket at all times.
Shit, when I went to donate blood, they asked for my ID and asked me to confirm my name like four times so they didn't get me mixed up with someone else; why is it so fucking wrong to apply that to voting all of a sudden?
>>69081039
If getting a free state ID from your DMV or a drivers license is a maze for you, you arent fit to vote.
>>69081254
Sweden had 7330432 eligible voters in the last election, and 6290016 votes were cast, of which 6231573 were valid.
150ish people voted for Donal Duck, 9 for Santa Claus and 2 for Adolf Hitler, the election law is pretty picky about spelling.
>>69086906
I realize you're deliberately trying to be difficult to put yourself on an intellectual pedestal.
Are you telling me you are currently not required an ID to vote? Literally what is preventing you from multiple voting?
How hard is it to provide ID? There should be no issue with their being a law. Just show your ID and you can vote
>>69083045
but don't liberals constantly push the narrative that the only people who vote republican/conservative are stupid and uneducated?
>>69087392
>I realize you're deliberately trying to be difficult to put yourself on an intellectual pedestal.
Oh joy. Another person who thinks attacking a poster's character rather than addressing the post means anything.
>>69081039
Great for the republicans since the democrats will win nationally every single time unless there is cheating on some sort of level. Keep up the great work.
>>69087448
Just listen to yourself.
Wait, hold on. You're not required to identify yourself when you vote? How does that work?
>>69087496
>Just listen to yourself.
Oh the irony.
Just address the post.
>>69081039
How do you vote without ID?!
>>69087510
>You're not required to identify yourself when you vote?
You are but it is based upon personal information. Generally you have to give your full name and address.
>>69087493
You mean lose?
>>69086990
The number of people who lacked photo ID was incredibly minuscule already, and they included provisions for free voter ID's for anyone who lacked another photo ID.
>>69087510
33 states require ID. A map of the states that don't is almost a perfect map of the unshakeable Democrat strongholds. They love illegals voting.
>>69087576
then whats stoping you from voting for the sjw of whom you know the name and adresss???
>>69087510
You are required to register beforehand, but basically the idea is that you can stop people from voting if they are too poor to afford an ID. Only the republican controlled states implement these laws since it prevents poor people for voting for their own self interests (the democrats).
>>69087448
The way you are posting does make it look like that and I don't know how you get attacking character from that.
>>69087661
Now you know why we passed voter ID laws. One person introducing legislation on it was a state rep who showed up to vote and was told she had already voted.
>>69085504
I was underage and would travel on my mums passport with my green card. I was with her during the test. I was in the 4th grade and hanks to my public school education I helped her pass the test, she had no idea apparently that there was one. If you fail that at this point in your life after living here forever you're fucking retarded and shouldn't vote.
>>69087579
Hmm? I mean that the republicans have no chance in national elections, so we have to use whatever laws we can to get an edge.
>>69087661
>then whats stoping you from voting for the sjw of whom you know the name and adresss???
The laws for one. Doing that is grounds for identity theft.
But I agree that I wish more states would take more effective means to prevent voter fraud. As mentioned previously in the thread, there should be more electronics so that poll workers can visually/electronically verify.
>>69087734
The right to vote does not predicate upon one's grasp of political and legal facts.
>>69087665
33 states. Fair enough. Those are the Republican ones. Including Maine where it was introduced and passed by an overwhelmingly Democrat state government.
See above story about the state rep who was told she had already voted? She was a Democrat in Maine.
>>69087672
>The way you are posting does make it look like that
I'm sorry if my verbiage makes you feel insecure. If you have such an issue with how I write my posts rather than what I actually wrote I don't think the problem is on the other side of your keyboard.
Now, would you like to address what was posted rather than make comments about the person who posted it?
>>69087824
>"Sir, 32 of these eggs are broken, I won't buy these!"
>"But wait, look, this one is fine and therefor negates your point!"
>>69087802
>>69087665
>>69087493
The second one was your best attempt. Perhaps if we didn't control a majority of the House and Senate, and Governorships the others wouldn't have seemed so laughable.
Or ya know, if Maine hadn't passed a voter id law while the DNC begged them not to because it would shatter the racist republican jim crow attack they were using about voter id laws.
>>69083568
Actually the country would just balkanize in that case
This pretend world you have where rednecks who are doing most of the breeding among whites living in rural regions which are mostly white will just kowtow to urban liberals and the minorities they claim to lord over is completely nonsensical
The inevitable result is revolution, not white hardasses going "y-yes mr. cuckinsky I'll get right to servicing that bull". But then maybe liberals assume that will be how things will go because they themselves are mostly cucks.
Of course this is ignoring that what you're posting is just bait anyway
>>69082947
>texas was one of the reddest states in the nation
>somehow it is only light red here
>kentucky also light red
>all of those blue states are dark red
>arizona as well is light red
Confirmed bait map.
>>69087951
See, and I was busy complimenting your shitposting skills while you went and blew it.
Maine was the one that blew the Democrat's thesis, not mine. The Democrat strongholds MUST resist voter id law now. They all called it Jim Crow. They literally can't support it now.
And they did everything in their power to stop Maine's legislature from passing it because of how it undercut the narrative attacking voter id laws.
>>69087951
Hawaii and New Hampshire and Michigan sure are red states now
>>69087957
See
>>69087951
The republican motive is obvious, why bother denying it? Just because you understand a motivation doesn't mean you have to reject the laws that come from it, no?
>>69087913
Fucking kek. Your "verbiage" has nothing to do with your fedora lord style of posting and I have no idea what to address, your hilarious ass post just keep catching my eye while I skim this thread.
>>69088087
>>69088074
>Ignores the fact that over 85% are red states.
Wat.
How dare someone have to prove they are who they are when partaking in one of the most important activities you can do in this country.
>>69088074
Maine's second district will most likely vote Trump this time around because of the strong working class Democratic population there that's been edging towards the Republicans for a while now
I'm guessing they'll complain that it only went for Trump because of voter id laws
>>69088126
As is the democratic motive when they push for same-day registration laws, what's your point? The republicans will stop pushing for things that benefit them when democrats stop doing the same.
>>69088126
1) That was already another reply directed to me anyway.
2) There are far too many swing and blue states requiring ID to make that stick anymore...
>>69088087
And that's not current. Mississipi required ID since 2014. Also notably the blackest state in the nation. Nothing could pass there if blacks opposed it.
>>69081039
Good in theory abused in practice. We need voter ID to avoid fraud, unfortunately there are cases where the process is intentionally complicated to prevent voters. Both sides are kind of right
>>69088202
That is clearly a "No, I will not address what you post."
Thank you for making that clear.
>I have no idea what to address
You admit that you have no interest in advancing the discussion at hand. Then why are you replying to my post? Simply to make allegations to my character?
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>CHEAP BURGERS
>HIGH OBESITY RATE
>"""FREEDOM"""""
THING AMERICANS DON'T HAVE:
>A PROPER WAY TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF ANYTIME, ANYWHERE
>BREAD THAT DOESN'T TASTE LIKE SUGAR
>MORE THAN 2 PARTIES ON AN ELECTION
America everyone.
>>69087820
It should.
>>69088224
11 are blue out of 33, based on who they voted for in 2012
Among those which specifically require a photo ID 5 of 11 are blue based on who they voted in 2012
But then you're just baiting and you knew that anyway
>>69081039
If you're legal, you can vote.
>>69088360
>It should.
Why should it? Do not citizens have a duty to vote, pay taxes, serve on juries, etc?
California fixed this issue. They just gave all the illegals drivers licenses. There. No problem now.
>>69088224
What did you just learn to obfuscate truth with statistics? I have some bad news for you.
The overwhelming majority of states are red states.
In Denmark you just have to be a citizen to vote
You'll be send a voucher in the mail automatically when you're a citizen, and you just show it at the polls.
But you can just bring your social security card, you don't even need the voucher.
>>69088325
Both sides are "kind of right" because both sides participate in the same kinds of politics designed to maximize their own turnout and minimize the other side's
I imagine if Trump sweeps the white working class in certain blue states we'll see pushes to institute voter id laws there to reduce the voting base back to the white middle class liberals
The only reason these shills are arguing against voter ID is because they want the votes of illegals and dead people, you know the shit dems have been doing for years. It's pathetic really.
>captcha was burgers
>>69081039
>Thoughts on Voter ID laws /pol/?
Good. It keeps people who aren't allowed to vote, like illegal aliens, from voting. If anyone could just vote, what if China managed to smuggle millions to elect someone that will make the US a Chinese territory? Or a bunch of refugee Muslims that want to legalize raping women?
>>69088423
Retarded people shouldn't be able to vote, pretty simple.
Are the standard here.
But then, we also have an ID requirement law.
>>69088332
I don't even know what you are talking about lad because I am not the guy you have been arguing with and I am replying because you the way you are posting is hilariously similar to a stereotypical Reddit fedora lord in fact I am fairly certain I have seen you in other threads just from the way you post.
>>69088575
>Retarded people shouldn't be able to vote, pretty simple.
You just repeated the same thing rather than explaining it. Have you not thought through your own position to the point where you can present it except to repeat it?
>>69088498
I don't buy that shit at all. I won't accept both sides, when one side is clearly acting in support of voter fraud.
You'd have to go back to Reconstruction to find an election stolen by Republicans are flagrantly as happens every election cycle with the Democrats.
Fucking George Soros funded a whole operation to help Democrats steal close elections. The Secretary of State project. It got shut down after it's massive failures in 2010 and 2012, but the effort was put in.
Just bring back these tests, and make sure that whites are not required to take them.
>>69088631
>I am replying because you the way you are posting is hilariously similar to a stereotypical Reddit fedora lord in fact I am fairly certain I have seen you in other threads just from the way you post.
Let me get this straight. You are replying to my posts because you think I am someone you've conversed with in the past?
Let me guess. You only conversed with him because you wanted to make remarks about his character as well? Given your admitted disregard for what was being discussed that seems to be a rational conclusion.
>>69081039
ITS HAPPENING>>69086600
>>69081039
Ffs, having an ID card is apparently like an insolvable labyrinth for leftist Americans. The ways they twist and turn are amazing:
>"hurr durr but fraud isn't even that common so stop disenfranchising black voters because that's totally racist but implying blacks are too stupid to apply for an ID card is not racist at all!"
>>69088644
If you lack the basic intelligence to operate independently and know how to cognitively make your own choices without being told what to do every 5 minutes you shouldn't be able to vote. Better queer? Now off to your Bernie rally. Make sure to screencap all this to show all your progressive buddies on plebbit.
>>69088681
>You'd have to go back to Reconstruction to find an election stolen by Republicans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000#Florida_recount
>We can't recount the ballots! They'll fall apart!
That's the actual argument that was used.
>>69088785
>If you lack the basic intelligence to operate independently and know how to cognitively make your own choices without being told what to do every 5 minutes
Do you honestly expect people to understand your message without explaining it to them except by repeating the same thing over and over again, ie. verbal browbeating?
I've asked you to explain your position with more elaboration but it seems that asking you to do that was expecting too much of you. Instead of providing an explanation you resorting to personal attacks.
Now, I will ask you one last time to explain why "retards" should not be allowed to vote. Even retards have the duty to vote but it seems that is not good enough for you. Why not?
Now I expect you will prove me right with another refusal (and likely personal attack) to do anything but repeat your position.
>>69081882
WHAT?! How can you be so racist?! Are you really seriously suggesting that we have to take away benefits from the oppressed African Americans? That's literally murder! Are you kidding me?!
>>69088729
>conversed with in the past
No I almost never converse with people on here I just read shit while I'm working on my 2nd monitor, anyway the way you write shit is remarkably similar to other post I have read so I am pretty sure you are some kind of bantz master doing this for keks or you are extraordinarily autistic but I don't think that is the case.
>>69088984
How the hell can I make that more clear to you? My last post literally stated that. You are either trolling or you got the dumb.
>>69089121
>No I almost never converse with people on here
Then why did you bother to respond in this thread? Clearly you are not posting just to see yourself post. Clearly it is not to advance the discussion.
>>69089122
>How the hell can I make that more clear to you?
By explaining how you went from "cannot pass the citizenship test" to "cannot operate independently." That seems to be a rather large and irrational leap.
>>69089243
Shitposting mostly.
>>69087545
>Just address the post.
No one will, because it's a waste of time. You were nitpicking from the get-go, hence the "trying to get on an intellectual pedestal" remark. All you're doing is being difficult for the sake of it. Someone gave you an example of the system working with free IDs and you hinged on the "every state" qualifier you created. Your state was different, so clearly everyone else must be wrong.
Sorry, anon, we simply can't speak for every grain of sand on the beach or every star in the sky. If you are that curious fucking google it.
The fact that you're still here bitching with someone else now only enforces my impression that you're trying to appear more intelligent than you are.
>>69088984
>Now, I will ask you one last time to explain why "retards" should not be allowed to vote. Even retards have the duty to vote but it seems that is not good enough for you. Why not?
If you are asking whether X group should be a allowed to vote, the answer depends on what they vote for. If they make worst average decisions, then don't let them vote. If they have lower average IQ, then worst decisions, then should not vote. Same logic for criminals and so on.
>>69089354
>No one will, because it's a waste of time.
It is not a waste of time to respond to the poster but not the post? We seem to have a different idea of what is a "waste of time."
>You were nitpicking from the get-go
If you cannot support an assertion from "nitpicking" then I suggest you do not present it in the first place.
>All you're doing is being difficult for the sake of it.
Of course, I could not have different opinions or different information. It seems to me that you are merely making excuses for the failure to participate meaningfully in a discussion. The problem certainly cannot lie with you thus it must be my failing that is at issue?
>Someone gave you an example of the system working with free IDs
No, someone made a claim that IDs would be free not that it was a solution to the problem. My solution I provided was to place the burden on the state to deal with voter ID not the voters. But instead of considering that I might have a different opinion and require disagreement to be supported with more than mere supposition is me simply "being difficult for the sake of it."
I see no point in wasting any more time providing information that will merely be disregarded by people more interested in shitposting than actually participating in a meanigful dialogue.
>>69089387
>If you are asking whether X group should be a allowed to vote, the answer depends on what they vote for.
Can we put that in the context of the 2004 election? Where George W. Bush was re-elected after cutting taxes, increasing military spending, and getting the US involved in two foreign nations was re-elected? Would that fit within "retarded because of what they vote for?"
I ask this because that sort of response is too arbitrary. Who gets to decide what one should or should not be "allowed to vote based upon on what they vote for?" Who gets to decide what is "average" to deny someone to vote for?
>>69081039
>>69081039
Sounds to me like first world problems. In my country you cannot be a citizens if you don't have an ID card. What the shit is wrong with you.
>>69089661
>But instead of considering that I might have a different opinion and require disagreement to be supported with more than mere supposition is me simply "being difficult for the sake of it."
I'm glad we're in agreement.
Put that thesaurus away already bub.
>>69090066
>more interested in shitposting than actually participating in a meaningful dialogue.
With your shitpost this has been firmly established.
Now I expect you will make yet another pointless personal remark as you have an immature need to have the last word.
Do they paint one of your thumbs with semi-permanent ink after you vote to prevent multiple voting?
>>69090513
Typically you can only vote at your local station. Most states provide for means of voting outside your local station if you have adequate identification. That way if you vote at your local station and then go and vote at a different station they can throw out both votes and press charges for voter fraud.
>>69088846
It will never cease to amaze me how often people will fall for that bait.
Did you think I wasn't aware of the 2000 Florida election?
Obviously you aren't aware that no method of recounting ever actually attempted ever produced a result were Al Gore won, even the media sponsored recount that went on for a year after the election.
You're not even aware of the hilarious issues with Florida's terrible fucking ballots used that year. They would literally fall apart. Your vote was registered by punching out a little bit of paper (a chad). This led to endless fight about hanging chads.
GW Bush won every recount allowed by Florida law. He then won every other recount that was actually undertaken. Even the one were Al Gore wanted all military ballots excluded.
Fuck off with stupid shit, mehmet.
>>69090727
Um, no. I don't believe most states allow you to vote at a polling place other than your assigned one. Post citations for at least 26 states before proceeding.
>>69090930
>I don't believe most states allow you to vote at a polling place other than your assigned one.
Every state provides for an absentee ballot, ie. voting outside your station with adequate ID.
>n the United States, an absentee ballot is a ballot that the voter records and casts at a location other than the designated polling station on Election Day. Typically these ballots are mailed, though some states provide provisions for emailing ballots, faxing ballots, or delivering them in person to a designated location.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absentee_ballot
I only said "most states" to account for the possibility that one state recently removed themselves from absentee/early voting ballots.
>>69088565
lol what a fucking retarded argument
>>69091072
That is not even vaguely the same thing as showing up at a polling place other than your assigned one and voting.
>>69091435
>That is not even vaguely the same thing as showing up at a polling place other than your assigned one
Then perhaps you should word your requests more clearly and derives from what was actually stated.
>Most states provide for means of voting outside your local station if you have adequate identification.
Absentee voting absolutely fits that statement.
>>69081834
doesn't mention illegal immigrants at all certainly not biased
>>69083915
>You subsidize people to come to this country and pop out kids who are then subsidized to continue the cycle of self-replicating and ever growing voting blocs
>You rely on a voting bloc of people with 70-90 IQs
I'm no Republican, but you Democrats truly are demented.
>>69091649
No, fuck you.
You implied something demonstrably false and then tried to backtrack and cover by claiming you were referring to absentee ballots.
Either way, your answer was a bullshit non sequitur.
>>69090513
No. The only method in place to prevent multiple voting is requiring ID. In the 17 states where ID isn't required, you'd just need to give the name, and maybe address of a registered voter.
Voter Registration info is publicly available. You could literally go down the lists copying out names and vote as many times as you felt like it so long as you weren't witnessed doing it. Reports of this very activity drove Voter ID laws in Maine.
>>69092645
>No, fuck you.
Let me get this straight. You only responded because you (wrongfully) believed you could trip me up from what I claimed?
>a bullshit non sequitur.
Simply because you failed to read what was actually posted doesn't justify your attempt to place burdens outside of what was actually posted.
I found out a few weeks ago that these illegal immigrants I met at a part time job in high school actually voted in the 08 election.
We're in a worthless state that always goes blue anyway, but this still really surprised me.
>>69087493
what does TRIMP mean?
>>69092776
I read this entire interaction.
You states that some states allow people to vote at a polling place where they aren't registered.
Another a non asked for citations
You shit back with absentee ballots
He said that is not what he meant nor what you meant- I.e. walking into a different polling place
Am I missing something here?
>>69093288
Duck my Phone keyboard.
I'm not drunk I swear.
>>69093288
>You states that some states allow people to vote at a polling place where they aren't registered.
Where did I state that it was at a polling place where they aren't registered?
I even directly quoted the entire sentence that was at issue and will do so again here.
>Most states provide for means of voting outside your local station if you have adequate identification.
Nowhere did I specify or limit this to a polling place. Do you know why I did not limit it? Because I am unaware if such a limitation is accurate. Thus why I worded it exactly as I did.
By my knowledge I am only familiar with California, Rhode Island, and Alaska law. But I am also aware of absentee voting as I did that for the three years I attended law school out of my home state.
Now would you like to address what was actually written or should I assume you will try to insert bullshit that was not actually written in my post?
>>69089290
Simple step. Premise: If you cannot pass the citizenship test, you must be so stupid you cannot operate independently.
Evidence, the test has questions like, "Who is the Commander in Chief". These are the same questions mental health professionals give to see if a person is retarded. (They ask who the president is)
>>69081039
>Thoughts on Voter ID laws /pol/?
Should be the basic fucking requirement. One of the few things Sweden Yes does that works is having personal ID numbers assigned at birth. No voting without them. One vote per person. Upon death they are stricken out of all systems.
I know murricans are paranoid about government tracking but everytime I bring up personal ID numbers someone says "but we have social security numbers". And whatever bureaucracy you use for them is fucking shit, since they routinely get traded to illegals. You need an iron clad system that keeps citizens from illegals.
>>69093918
>Premise: If you cannot pass the citizenship test, you must be so stupid you cannot operate independently.
Irrational premise as people who have four year college degrees and a history of years of operating independently would (and IIRC the study correct have) failed the citizenship test.
>Evidence, the test has questions like, "Who is the Commander in Chief".
Have you taken the citizenship test? After I got back from law school I took a class on local leadership at my old alma mater. Of the twenty or so students there I was the only one who could pass the test.
>>69081039
Anything that keeps niggers and Mexicans from voting is fine with me, but Wisco's new law is so fucking 'tarded I cannot vote by absentee ballot anymore. So that's 20 fucking minutes out of my shitposting budget to go and dick around at the vilage clerk's office.
>>69094128
Found an article that included college graduates though the link to the actual study seem to have gone bad.
>Ford noted that 44% of those with a high school education or less passed the test, rising to 82% among college grads.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-26/imiigrant-civics-test-americans-fail/54563612/1
