What do you think of mandatory military service /pol/? Is it a good thing to have?
Should more countries implement it?
Would going to college get you out or would your service have to be done before attending college?
On another note what do you think of military parades?
Why doesn't American ever just march around with all their guns and tank just to show off all the time like Russia does?
I think I don't want to be in the military with women and fag trans queers who suck the captains dick to get out of basic duty while Im dying for some rich old kike
>>69077150
Conscripts don't usually go out to fight in the modern era, they receive training and do some guard job for their tour.
>>69077008
invest in some good advertisement/propaganda and you don't need to force people to do your fighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDZ2fMHTvwk
Only morons chose to stay in the army afterward and they're the ones forming the new recruits. That's where it breaks down.
>>69077287
this, force intelligent people to stay and morons to leave
You do understand the massive fitness programs we'd have to roll out for this to ever work, right? This isn't a joke, the majority of our population is overweight as in the average non-latino white is 5'5 166 pounds and 35% of the population is obese....
>>69077563
That's the point desu
>>69077563
why not powered exoskeletons?
It shouldn't be mandatory. However, what Heinlein proposed in his book Starship Troopers was a great solution: Citizens who haven't served their country aren't allowed to vote.
>>69077808
They would have to look like this.
>>69077008
Here you go, OP.
A handy guide.
Put teenagers who don't study or work in military for a while teach them a trade and values then set them free, that's a lot of problems fixed without resorting to throwing money at people.
>>69077428
But in a free society though, how to keep the intelligent ones?
Maybe not just higher salaries; if they had more interesting things to do, maybe they would want to stay. Like if these places were research labs of some kind at the same time, or taught higher courses...
>>69078066
ghehehe neat
>>69078272
It's not to send them out to fight, it's basically just to force mandatory fitness and training on how to not be a useless human being the rest of their life, as well as possibly beating the self destructive liberal tendencies out of them, like Mr Gay here said >>69078337
Just be like a short two year term, give em training, mostly fitness and occupational based training, give them a job that can translate to the civilian workforce well, like mail courier, mechanic, cook, bulldozer operator, freight truck driver etc, and suddenly you have made it mandatory that our youths are educated on how to be functioning members of society.
If they want to join the regular army later as a career soldier then they have that option but it's not forced upon them.
>>69079021
If they want to jack off in their basements, then that's their business.
For all you know, you could have the next big artist or backyard inventor come from their own doings.
The government has absolutely no right to force people into a program, no matter how much you might deem it 'beneficial'
Some people don't care about being /fit/, and they certainly shouldn't have to waste two years of their time to fulfill a government ideal.
>>69079564
>For all you know, you could have the next big artist or backyard inventor come from their own doings.
And spending two years to do military service stops them from doing this how?
>The government has absolutely no right to force people into a program, no matter how much you might deem it 'beneficial'
Guess we better stop educating our children about things because the government says we should.
>Some people don't care about being /fit/
Well they should.
>>69079564
That's why the west is full of cuks.
Srsly, who the fuck will deffend your country? A neckbeards with .22? Jesus, even militia HAVE to be organized and discipline. You cant get discipline in your basement.
In russia every male was in army, except extremly weak or retarded. Just imagine, it not just militia in case of war. All of them knows a little about tactics, how to form and act with regular battle groups and regular army.
And your 300 millions with guns will be pathetic in case of war. Half of them will die due friendly fire, starvation, cold an disease.
>>69077008
Mandatory service is bad its better to have a professionally trained volunteer army if you go to college you should be filtered into officer training and military parades are just stupid its a fucking dick measuring contest.
>>69080121
>In russia every male was in army, except extremly weak or retarded. Just imagine, it not just militia in case of war. All of them knows a little about tactics, how to form and act with regular battle groups and regular army.
What about for non-war? Does it noticeably make people work better together?
>>69080129
>filtered into officer training
Only if officer training also includes everything the regular enlisted have to go through too.
It's not about recruiting for the main armed forces its about standards, values and discipline like Ruskie said >>69080121
Also we have a shitload of officers in the military already, we really don't need to force everyone in college into officer positions. the idea of the short two year conscription is just training to prepare people for like and being American citizens, and also be a preliminary for joining the military if they so chose to do so on their own accords.
>Promotes patriotism
>Gives people gun respect and training
>Gives people respect for military and authority
>Stops people from being pussy liberals
America should require service for all adults
>>69079021
>>69078337
Exactly, here we started giving welfare per child and made it comfortable to not work, huge increase in crime, huge increase in welfare, does not work.
Military might as well be welfare with coupled education forced onto those who wouldn't do anything otherwise.
Other means would be by using socioeconomic status, but impossible to do in the cucked west.
>>69079790
>And spending two years to do military service stops them from doing this how?
Yes, it's two years of their life wasted.
>Guess we better stop educating our children about things because the government says we should.
Education is different because of our governmental and economic system. Our democratic republic works with an educated populace, we can't survive with an illiterate voting base.
Also, education further allows people choice and is based off the fact they're learning as they're growing into adults. Once they turn 18, they're their own person, which is why they can 'drop out' if they want to.
>Well they should.
No, it's their own decision you statistic faggot.
Literally liberal-level of forcing opinions on people.
>>69080121
>In russia every male was in army, except extremly weak or retarded.
Oy, Sasha, you realize there's a reason there are so many of your (former) countrymen, and their children, that don't have dual citizenship, right?
Because the Russian conscription system is an utter failure. It's a waste of time, your hazing (which admittedly has become better) has literally caused uncountable cases of rape, injury, and death, and the military is in a shit state overall anyway.
>And your 300 millions with guns will be pathetic in case of war. Half of them will die due friendly fire, starvation, cold an disease.
Whatever you say, bydlo.
>>69081003
>wasted
>learning a trade, discipline and important values
>>69080484
Welp, you can get driver license in army. And other licenses, if you do some "special" work, like repairing some stuff and other shit.
>>69077008
1.5-2 years before college
>>69081080
If it's completely irrelevant to them, it's wasted.
Again, you have no right to tell them what are 'important values'
>boy oh boy, I'm sure glad I learned to wash rocks and kiss my superiors' asses.
>>69077150
sucking dick is a respectable occupation it requires precise and sensitive technique, while also posessing charm and the charisma to excite the penis
>>69081215
>not learning respect
>not learning how to work as a team
>a trade is useless if it's irrelevant to you
You know people take temporary jobs even though they're irrelevant to whatever the fuck they want to do right?
And those people usually stay away from crime and contribute to the economy?
You don't have to throw EVERYONE in the military, just NEETS will do, because if you don't, you'll eventually have poor neets which translates to crime.
>>69081003
>Yes, it's two years of their life wasted.
>Oh no! Government funding is teaching me how to properly defend myself and my nation, feed, clothe and house me for two years, educate me past a high school level, and teach me trade skills! I sure wish I was living in my mom's basement leaching off of her hard work instead!
>Our democratic republic works with an educated populace, we can't survive with an illiterate voting base
Exactly. You're helping my point here.
>No, it's their own decision you statistic faggot.
Anyone who willingly decides to be an unhealthy lump and doesn't even put consideration as to improving or merely maintaining their physical health only serves as a detriment to the human race.
>>69079564
>The government has absolutely no right to force people into a program, no matter how much you might deem it 'beneficial'
Then we should also remove all other mandatory shit shit like school and so on.
>>69081215
>Again, you have no right to tell them what are 'important values'
oh, you lolbertarians...
Humans, in their natural state, are unacceptable. They are savage, cowardly, petty, cruel... Education is not just to make people more productive and informed enough to vote. It's also to make them moral and strong, so that society as a whole works better. A society full of degenerates is expensive to maintain.
>>69081369
Reminder that people like bums and gangbangers are NEETs too.
The term merely means Not in Education, Employment, or Training, we only associate with basement dwelling neckbeards because that's who we're used to dealing with.
>>69081003
You have NO fucking idea about russian army at all.
>muh rape
It's a goddamn meme.
>injury and death
And so? It's a military, stop being a pussy.
There's always one or two retards who shot themself cuz they suck at trigger discipline.
The goal of the army should be to be the most effective fighting force possible. In some countries that requires them to have conscription because they are too small and face to big of threats to have all volunteer/selective service for emergencies such as South Korea and Jewrael. Most other countries however don't need it, such as the United States and when they do have problems filling out the military (like in the Korean/Vietnam war) it is more a problem of pay/benefits not being high enough not that there just isn't enough people though sometimes, like World War II the selective service is necessary. Now I know some of you will say that we need to have conscription to brake the Judeo-Bolshevik hold that the liberals have on most of the youth today but that isn't the point of the fucking military. The point of the military is to have the most effective fighting force not shape good youths. Besides South Korea and Norway both have it already and they still have a strong Jewish influence.
>>69081771
exactly what I meant by NEETs, bums and gangbangers would be what I meant by poor NEETs I've seen it happen, increase welfare and make it comfortable to live on it, wait 5 years, bam, huge increase in crime rate, recession, etc.
We call them ninis, same scum, leeches who should be taught how to atleast provide a useful service.
>>69081429
You do realize that some people will literally do nothing and either get kicked out or waste tax dollars. Not everyone would be willing to go through 2 years of military training or service, no matter the benefits, if they see it as a waste of their time.
>>69077008
It should be required in every country with a military. Only exempt married women with children.
>>69081989
>literally do nothing in military
>psychologically subdued
>desert
>shot/jailed
ez
>>69081369
>You know people take temporary jobs even though they're irrelevant to whatever the fuck they want to do right?
Yes, and that's their decision to do so.
If they want to learn 'backup' skills, they can go to trade school or, as many already do, join the military.
>And those people usually stay away from crime and contribute to the economy?
If they have money, they will naturally contribute to the economy, that's just how it works.
However, being in the military by no means implies you'll suddenly becoming a 'morally bound' individual.
>You don't have to throw EVERYONE in the military, just NEETS will do, because if you don't, you'll eventually have poor neets which translates to crime.
NEETS can be NEETS if they want to. If they have sufficient funding from parents, or however, than that's their business.
Obviously, they shouldn't be receiving government funding, that's just retarded, but if they financially can do nothing, they have the right to do nothing.
>>69081429
>A whole run-on sentence of poor implications
Again, they don't need the government holding (or grabbing) their hand.
You realize the military pretty much runs as a branch of the job corps as it is, right? People who are actively seeking improvement get it.
>Anyone who willingly decides to be an unhealthy lump and doesn't even....
Again, you're forcing your ideals on people.
Fuck off statist.
>>69082045
That's one way to do it
>>69081989
They can be used to test dangerous vehicles, experimental drugs, etc. If they survive, they pass.
>>69082104
>Obviously, they shouldn't be receiving government funding, that's just retarded, but if they financially can do nothing, they have the right to do nothing.
Sadly that's exactly what happens
and guess what
sometimes they don't have funding from parents
so they're welfare leeches AND criminals.
>>69081819
As said many times in this thread, conscription and mandatory service doesn't mean they're off fighting though, it's merely a beyond high school education program done for the betterment of the nation.
>>69081989
Then we go the Starship Troopers route. Those that do not finish their conscription are second class citizens, while the real Americans get to do things.
You don't have to like it, you're getting taught military strategy and how to use guns, use it against the government that decided to teach it to you if you hate it so much, that's what being an American is all about.
>tfw drafted and have to offer my service for entire year
It's a unique experience, even though my fat ass can't keep up with the ridiculous training we get, there's something about it that makes me want to keep going and keepbtrying, it's awesome, also, FREE FUCKING BREAKFAST.
>>69082187
I like the idea my leaf friend
>>69082252
>Then we go starship troopers route.
Probably the best option, just make a special ID for those who go through it and they can receive certain government aid like welfare and other programs.
>>69081778
>You have NO fucking idea about russian army at all.
Actually, I do, because I have family who served during the mid-90s.
Again, it has improved in recent years, but it's still shit.
>And so? It's a military, stop being a pussy.
>There's always one or two retards who shot themself cuz they suck at trigger discipline.
Dedovshchina isn't based off technical ignorance, it's based off the Russian military being the underfunded, poorly managed shadow of what was the pre-80s Soviet war machine.
I'm done arguing about this, have fun in this shit thread.
>>69077008
Military service in here is borderline slavery only justified by being able to take turns. Despite that, I think spending time in army did help me out in understanding responsibility and teamwork.
>>69082104
>If they want to learn 'backup' skills, they can go to trade school or, as many already do, join the military.
There's literally no harm in learning a practical job skill.
>However, being in the military by no means implies you'll suddenly becoming a 'morally bound' individual.
Well of course but it can act as guidance to those who don't know what they stand for, for those growing up without proper direction which is sadly a large number of people in this nation, the military can be a big help.
If you feel like you've learned morals and direction from the military then that's great, if not whatever man, it's your life.
> they shouldn't be receiving government funding
But they do anyway. And those that can't financially support it but want to stay NEETs just turn to crime instead of getting a fucking job like a normal human being.
>Again, they don't need the government holding (or grabbing) their hand.
Some people do.
>Again, you're forcing your ideals on people.
My objectively correct ideals.
If you don't want to excel you are a broken human being.
We are the one species on earth that has ever managed to make any sort of significant advancement in our time on this planet and if you don't want to contribute to that, you might as well be a primitive ape.
>>69082476
>I'm done arguing about this, have fun in this shit thread.
>unable to deal with being wrong, the liberal scum makes his retreat
>>69082658
Do you feel ready to repel an invasion from BEST KOREA?
>>69083451
I'm not afraid of malnourished manlets armed with barely working weapons. Talk of NK's chemical weapon worries me though. Death from bullet in the head is okay. Death from blisters is not okay. I don't want to go out that way.
>>69082258
Está rico el desayuno?
>>69077008
I served in the army (against my will like most korean men)
I was treated like an animal (one of the seniors threw things and made me fetch off the floor for fun)
I got paid less than 100 bucks a month.
Supplies were so bad I had to spend more than I got paid to buy winter gloves and warmers.
Food had bugs in them often.
No porn, videogames, or sex for two years
My back and knees started to hurt after service but no way to prove its militarys fault
Mandatory service sucks
>>69078465
>But in a free society though, how to keep the intelligent ones?
That's why Senior NCO, Warrant Officer and Green To Gold programs exist. To give a carrot to the smart ones to get them to make a career in the military.
The dumb ones either don't get promotions and are kicked out or end up in shitty jobs.
It's one of ideas that FEELS good, but would be a stupid, expensive idea in practice.
No NCO 'S would want it and every flag officer who studied anything about the Vietnam War or served in the military in the early 80's would resign than implement it.
>>69077008
>What do you think of mandatory military service /pol/?
Might not be a good idea. People who are against it would probably defect to the enemy or desert. Draft for world wars would be the only time mandatory service is required, because their either serve or be destroyed by the enemy. Otherwise, keep it voluntary.
>>69077008
I think it's a good thing. I'm stationed in Korea and find it neat how nearly every male does 2 years in the military. Even those kpop faggots you see have done their two years and got out.
I personally think elements of Military training should be introduced into American schooling. Like standing in formation, customs/courtesies, uniforms, PT in the morning and maybe marching in formation as a class but the politically correct country we've become would never ever allow that.
I also find it odd how America never does military parades showing off our troops and weapons. I'm assuming it's because we already have so many advertising campaigns for our military or maybe we just don't want to show too much off.
whatever it is, I hate how military is looked down upon in this new PC era we're in.
