Just a quick reminder that Donald Trump is a laughably mediocre businessman.
Over the last 30 years, his investments have performed comparably to low-risk mutual funds. Absolutely bare minimum performance.
If Donald Trump had invested his inheritance into said low-risk mutual funds and did NOTHING for 30 years, he'd very likely have a higher net-worth than he does today.
It's funny how (by any meaningful standard) he's spent decades floundering around in his dad's business, yet he markets himself as some kind of empire-building tycoon. lol
For comparison; Warren Buffet received a similar cash inheritance around the same time. He's worth roughly 70 billion dollars now.
>Don was born and invested $200 mil before his 1st birthday
saged
>>69061035
>this old meme again
Sage
>>69061035
Trump is literally daddy's money and he somehow managed to screw that up.
It's fine if you're born into money and make your own fortune like Bill Gates or Warren buffet, but I got no respect for guys like Trump. It's vexing when people try to use his "business success" as a justification for why he's fit to run the country
>>69061035
>and did NOTHING for 30 years
Why would him for trying to be a successful businessman be bad?
> ignoring taxes
> ignoring inflation
Saged
>fact, if you invested in Google and Microsoft before they got big you would've gotten rich!
Hindsight is always 20/20, and this situation assumes Trump does everything flawlessly which is retarded
Reminder that one doesn't become great by not taking risks.
>>69061382
Whether it's "good" or bad is irrelevant to the point - which is that he's a completely unremarkable businessman.
>>69061035
how did warren buffet became so rich? did he outjew the jews?
>>69061035
He should be elected for his honest down to earth opinions, politics and sway with people. Advisors will make sure he doesnt wreck the country economically
>>69061035
SHILLS
>>69061703
>advisors
>like goldman sachs
no thanks
>>69061035
>For comparison; Warren Buffet received a similar cash inheritance around the same time. He's worth roughly 70 billion dollars now.
kek, it's like saying you're a mediocre sprinter because you can't beat usain bolt in a foot race.
>>69061556
I'm comparing his investments to low-risk index funds. If you actually want to compare him to savvy investors like Buffet, Trump looks even worse. Way worse. Plenty of people had foresight and business savvy... Trump didn't. That's the point.
>>69062170
No. The point is that Donald Trump ACTS like he's Usain Bolt when in reality he runs a statistically average 40 yard dash.
>>69062000
I imagine any investment or suggestion he proposes will be analyzed more thoroughly as president compared to whatever dreams he decided to chase as a businessman.
I believe he is very smart or gifted, but I do think he is something the (white) world needs. But I also believe America would benefit greatly from Bernie Sanders, regardless of how much /pol/ refuses to believe it
>>69062504
I DONT believe he is smart or gifted**
t. 4chans resident business expert
>>69061035
He received his inheritance in 1999 you retard. And he was already a billionaire by then.
>>69062245
Compare anyone to Warren Buffet and they'll look weak. That is an unfair comparison. You could also debunk your own 'arugments' with a simple Google search. The way you're criticizing Trump is based on ridiculous misuse of economics. Just do the research before pointing fingers, for fuck sake.
>>69061035
Sure, share with us your bank account details - you can crop out the personal details - we're only interested in financial statistics - show us how you turned thousands of dollars into hundred of thousands or even better in millions by the Trump done his stuff.
Don't you find yourself extraordinarily edgy giving economical opinions over the internet while you're obviously clueless and probably mildly retarded?
>>69061035
>Over the last 30 years, his investments have performed comparably to low-risk mutual funds. Absolutely bare minimum performance.
even if that's true it's still way better than any politician
>>69061035
>repeats talking points
>tries to use meme magic
>faggotry instantly angers lord kek
>no meme magik
kek
k OP.
Tell me why I shouldn't vote for him make the best argument you can and if it changes my mind i'll reconsider. I mean like multiple paragraphs.
*Racist.*
*I've done my research*
*Only uneducated people vote for him.*
None of those reasons work for me.
>>69061035
>his investments have performed comparably to low-risk mutual funds
Bernie shills have no idea how high risk luxury hotel and casino work is.
Oh gee OP, if you only put all your money into bitcoin in 2010, you'd be a millionaire. What you didn't do that? Guess you're just not as smart business man like /g/ :P
How many times are bernie fags from reddit gonna keep damage controlling by shitposting here?
Your commie isn't going to win. Get deal.
*leaves thread and doesn't read OP's response QQ Bernie*
>>69063053
*Real
fuck my fucking life senpai
>>69061035
All debunked lies:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/dec/09/occupy-democrats/occupy-democrats-say-simple-investment-trumps-fath/
>>69062972
Investments provide so many job positions for people as well.
>>69061035
As opposed to Titans of Industry like Obama, Hillary, Bernie, etc.
>>69061035
Just a quick reminder that he's gonna be our next president.
Posts like yours only solidify my vote because I gain my power from your tears.
>>69061035
out boi
>>69062925
Pull the trigger friend
>man turns 1 - 200 million into 10 billion empire and makes himself a genuine candidate for presidency despite all odds
>OH LOOK AT THIS LOSER STATISCALLY LOW ENERGY REEEEEE WARREN BUFFET..... ECONOMICS... 40 YARD DASH.
Very few people would have as much success. Most people who come into money are broke in 5 years. This guy became one of the richest and most successful people on the planet, and still, you criticize. It's fucking absurd, honestly.
>I-I-I-I totally could be as successful as Trump if only I started with as much as he did
You would have lost it all, and you know it, faggot.
>>69061035
Do you actually have a source for the math behind this, or are you going to just shitpost
>>69061035
Trump is a risk-taker. Sure, he could have played it safe his entire life and ended up a lot richer than he is, but he's not that kind of man. His approach to business is bold and adventurous, possibly bordering on reckless, but he's always landed on his feet.
>>69061035
>For comparison; Warren Buffet received a similar cash inheritance around the same time. He's worth roughly 70 billion dollars now.
Warren Buffet the economic hitman?
A literal international war criminal?
You compare Trump, an honest businessman, to Warren Buffet the globalist financier? Are you fucking joking?
>>69062770
Then let's focus on comparing him to bare-minimum low-risk mutual funds. Whoops. He's still laughably mediocre. My point with the Buffet comparison is that there were, in fact, people who achieved remarkably over the same time-frame that Donald spent floundering around.
>Berniefag tells me that Donald Trump would be even more wealthy than he currently is if he'd just invested in an index fund
>Berniefag doesn't have the faintest idea how wrong they are because they have little to no investments and tens of thousands in loan debt
wew
Except Trump isn't some faggot investor that just sits on his ass waiting for stocks to rise.
He spends millions building an enterprise and creating jobs all around the world.
>>69063032
I'm not running for president on my business bona fides.
>>69063322
>10 billion
i want this meme to end
how long before he claims he's richer than bill gates? and you people will believe it too
>>69062503
So who fucking cares? Cant be worse then Bush or Obummer where.
>>69061360
You do realize that neither Bill Gates nor Warren Buffet have made their fortunes or anything else without their dad's influence, right?
You do realize they're both high level illuminati who get all kinds of press for investing billions into charities that promote literal eugenics like the Rockefeller Foundation and UNESCO.
You do realize that Bill Gates travels the world giving polio to children, right?
>80% of businesses fail
>4 of Trumps 500 failed
>>69063658
except he doesn't
he takes loans that hes knows he wont pay and just defaults on them all
he has said before "bankrupcty laws have been very generous to me"
his whole economic strategy is declaring bankruptcy so he won't pay his debtors
>>69061035
>Just a quick reminder that Donald Trump is a laughably mediocre businessman.
>Over the last 30 years, his investments have performed comparably to low-risk mutual funds. Absolutely bare minimum performance.
>If Donald Trump had invested his inheritance into said low-risk mutual funds and did NOTHING for 30 years, he'd very likely have a higher net-worth than he does today.
I've never seen any Trumck ever formulate a decent argument to this claim. They just whine and plug their eyes like a child; Donald must be morose over the fact the only people who revere him, are whiny, craven cuckold betas who have no character qualities of any worth.
>>69061035
>turns one million into 10 billion
>mediocre businessman
Jealousy is a bitch, huh?
>inb4 muh 200 million inheritance that was shared between several siblings and Trump's share was a lot less than that.
>>69063766
As Trump says "nobody knows my assets". Do you really think Forbes.com has a better knowledge of such things? Come on mate...
>>69061035
Wish I was a laughably mediocre buisnessman too then.
>>69061163
>reddit shill
Get out you faggot
>>69063766
I believe he has billions, because he does. That's still more impressive than anything you've ever done fuckboi
>>69063941
Also, I like how you picked on the number, instead of the actual points being made. Weak as fuck Denmark, weak as fuck.
>>69063124
Wow that's pretty damning coming from Politifact considering they'd put Trump saying "The sky is blue" as mostly false with "the sky is orange and red at sun rise and set" as the justification. I was going to vote for Bernie but I'm a #MAGA now.
just to be serious.
Black rapper Master P inherited 10,000 dollars, started a record company and turned it into 1 billion dollars. Thats hustlin
D trump, inherited 1 million dollars from his father, created a wealth of 10 billion
>>69061035
warren buffet went to the same school as donald trump, the wharton school of finance
the differnce is that he was enrollling around the same time Trump was born
Warren buffet is an anomaly, he is the single greatest investor in the history of investing
started buying stocks at age 11
>billionaire
>employed thousands
>tv show star
>property owner
>legitimate candidate for the 'most powerful man on earth' position
>what a loser!
>>69063658
Warren Buffet makes so much money you KNOW he doesn't do a goddamn thing to earn it.
Only people who never lift a finger in their entire worthless fucking non-existence of a life make money like that.
>>69062503
Perception is everything, you're obviously not a businessman.
>>69063941
The same Donald Trump who said his self-valuation of his net worth depended on his mood?
if it was so easy to turn a million into billions by putting your money into index funds everyone would be a millionaire
fucking idiots have no idea how investing works
>>69061035
>Saged
>>69061035
America doesn't give a fuck.
We want jobs, America to come first, and the ability to curb-stomp Muslims.
And a wall. It's going to be a beautiful wall . . . have I told you how beautiful the wall will be?
>>69061035
>If Donald Trump had invested his inheritance into said low-risk mutual funds and did NOTHING for 30 years, he'd very likely have a higher net-worth than he does today.
This isn't true at all
You just say it and have no math, nothing.
Been debunked already.
>>69062638
>America
>Benefit from communism
Kill yourself bolshevik
>>69063523
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/2/9248963/donald-trump-index-fund
>>69061035
Good review.
Can you post your income taxes and links to all your businesses websites?
>>69063569
He spends well over 500,000 per month on personal purchases. If he left his money in that fund, he could never touch it. He has earned and spent far more money that his current net worth. loll @ sitting around not being able to spend any money for 30 years. He's also richer than 99.999% of people. 97% success rate for his businesses, compared to the average of 20%. Kindly fuck off shill
>Multiplied a MEASLY Million dollars 10,000 times
>Mediocre.
Holy fuck Anon, please handle my 136 Million for me if THAT is mediocre, I'll be richer than the Rothschilds if THAT is mediocre to you.
>>69061035
>If Donald Trump had invested his inheritance into said low-risk mutual funds and did NOTHING for 30 years, he'd very likely have a higher net-worth than he does today.
I love how leftists just repeat things they hear on TV and imagine themselves to be intellectuals. This has been proven false as fuck over and over but you morons will just keep repeating it in hopes of maybe convincing someone. Truth isn't important to you, just the agenda.
>>69061035
Fresh off the boat, from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on 4chan by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is 4chan. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it
>>69064367
Don't be lazy. Ignorance isn't an argument.
http://dqydj.net/sp-500-return-calculator/
>>69064415
No.
Where has this shit been debunked? I need something to show leftists since they ruin any discussion I try to have on the topic.
>>69063768
Dunno Trump has a Quayle like retard aura.
>>69063879
>his whole economic strategy is declaring bankruptcy so he won't pay his debtors
He only declared bankruptcy 4 times out of 515 businesses. In one area with a crashing economy.
And if you aren't a complete simpleton when it comes to business and finances then you should know that bankruptcy isn't always a bad thing and could potentially be a very intelligent strategy.
If the option is there and would save him money, why WOULDN'T he use it?
>>69063768
>obummer
Isn't it past your bed time grandpa?
>>69061035
>Gives thousands of people jobs in management, construction, building maintenance and supply chain tracking
>"LOL WHAT A STUPID RACIST!!! HE SHOULD HAVE PUT ALL HIS MONEY IN THE STOCK MARKET BLINDLY. THE SAME RIGGED MARKET THAT I AND SO MANY OTHER LIBITARDS HATE SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!"
The irony is palpable.
>>69064837
Don't bother. It's a losing argument. His ROI has been unremarkable by any meaningful standard. His inherited wealth juxtaposed with his current net-worth is damning in-and-of itself. He's not a great businessman. You're better off letting this one slide. Focus on his other qualifications.
>>69064410
this is assuming he's given 40 million cash or 200 million cash. just because you're worth x amount of dollars doesn't mean you can liquidate 100% of your assets into cash.
also, they're assuming people just keep their money invested 100%. there's also a chance he would've lost a large portion of it in 2009 financial collapse even in low risk investments. there's so many fucking factors at play here. they're basically saying, "hurr durr invest $1000 today in low risk investments and you'll be a millionaire in 30 years!" i guess we're all fucking idiots for not doing this right?
>>69064837
This article is pretty good.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-03/should-donald-trump-have-indexed-
>>69065211
Totally false. There's no way most people could do what Trump did in real estate.
>>69061035
>>69061035
if he put it all in mutual funds he wouldnt have skyscrapers with his name on top
>>69065567
I already told you how you can mimic Trump's ROI. Invest in mutual funds. Much less risky too.
>>69062770
Warren Buffet needed both a taxpayer direct TARP bailout and counter party loss forgiveness.
>>69065497
What trump did? Put himself in $700 million debt and get bailed out by the manhatten real estate price boom?
>>69065775
Great, i'll tell the 3 financial managers I am paying, that. You fuck me over, I'll hire someone to find you and kick you in the dick 10000 times.
>>69065211
He's infinitely more successful than BernieKike and your government.
>>69064383
Nothing is black and white, more specifically capitalism isnt white and communism isnt black. They are systems which both can lead to prosperity and ruin, depending much on a nations leadership, administrative skill/efficiency
Believing anything else is pitiful, and sadly, normal
Me believing an American will understand this is ridiculous.
>>69065775
Tell me, oh wise one, how the stock market will perform exactly , day-by-day, starting today, March 27th, 2016, for the next 40 years, so I too can sit on my fat ass doing nothing, give jobs to no people, and contribute to the ever increasing divide of wealth in this country.
You libitards would rather side with WALL STREET CROOKS over Trump, just because he's "racist" (a.k.a. not).
>billionaire
>mediocre businessman
I just can't believe the mental gymnastics some people go through just to make Trump look bad. Just say you don't agree with him if you don't like it, stupid.
>>69064365
There's gonna be a big beautiful door where people can come through LEGALLY
>Liberals literally don't respect law and order.
>>69065870
>[citation needed]
How does smartly timing an upswing in the market count as a "bail out?" Yes of course he profited off of the price boom in real estate. Why the fuck wouldn't he?
>>69061035
Warren buffett made his money by cheating nations.
Trump made his money by enriching nations.
You are a fool.
>>69063879
hey fuckhead, please look into Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. Its not liquidation. its reorganization of debt... yes, at a lower interest rate which helped Donald, but all that meant is that the bank that loaned him money didn't make as much off their loans, they certainly didnt get completely hosed out of all the money they loaned to Trump
Ch 11 is usually the last ditch effort to restructure a company before Ch 7 liquidation. Many companies who file for Ch 11 end up filing for Ch 7 later, closing the company down and screwing over the debtors. Trump came out of Ch 11 every time
The only debtors who get screwed over in Ch 11 are unsecured debt holders. And they know they have a chance of getting screwed in the company they are doing business with declares BK, so I don't have much sympathy.
Many notable companies have filed Ch 11. Do you refuse to fly on most american airlines? refuse to drive GM or Chrysler. refuse to eat at certain chain restaurants or shop at certain big box stores bc they have all filed for Ch 11?
>hunny, lets not eat at Applebee's. I just in good conscious can't eat a quesadilla burger tonight just knowing some of their creditors got screwed over
said no one ever
>>69061035
>Trump might be successful, but like, some people have been a million times more successful, so his success is meaningless
>>69066194
Was putting himself $700 million in the red also his impeccable timing, then?
>>69066367
>[citation needed]
>>69061035
Not even true. You propose that a 1 million dolar loan can be turned into 10 billion in 30 years. Do you know how insane that is?
>>69066367
>March 27, 2016
>HUFFINGTON POST
>Author: Om4Gq/Lq
>DID THAT BIGOT DONALD TRUMP CAUSE THE 2008 HOUSING CRASH? HERE'S WHAT WE FOUND OUT...
>>69066106
http://www.macrotrends.net/1319/dow-jones-100-year-historical-chart
>>69066460
sorry, i remembered wrong
it was actually 900 million
"When I was in trouble in the early 90's, I went around and -- you know, a lot of people couldn't believe I did this because they think I have an ego -- I went around and openly told people I was worth minus $900 million,"
Donald J Trump
>>69066524
Bernie supporters, and I don't even say voters because they come from all over the world, aren't very good at economics.
And they aren't very good at common sense either, because they assume Trump had access to all his father's money. And they don't realize Donald LOANED money from his father, meaning he paid he back.
>Just gotta put a million away for a few decades, then emerge as a ten billionaire!
Liberal logic. If it's that easy, show me a single person who has done it on a remotely similar scale to what we're talking about here. Show me a single case. Come on lefty, just one case.
>>69061035
>low-risk mutual funds
Nice meme
Now fuck off
>>69061035
/trump
Damn.
>>69063322
You know you dun goofed when Straya is sick of your shit
>>69066084
Communism literally cannot benefit anything in anything past a feudal system.
You're an idiot and need to take some economic courses if you don't understand that.
I know most Nordics are economically retarded but please stop your ignorance
Shit, nigga, I'd like to see you do better.
1 million ain't that much to start from.
>>69062757
This.
Trump has not even HAD his inheritance for 30 years so the argument is retarded.
>>69066765
Did you forget the part where I said:
>starting """today""", March 27th, 2016
A 4 year old nigger can look back at past data and say "LOOK MA, THE MARKET WENT UP!". You put your money in today, and if the market crashes 80% next month, it will take you 15 years just to recover back your "starting" point. AFTER THAT will you start making money. And in no way will you catch up to Trump's ROI.
Again proving my point how you can't see into the future, faggot.
So what? The Clintons funnel money aimed at charity to foreign governments for political reason.
They are objectively worse than a businessman who made a few bad calls.
Trump didn't get bailed out either like the system that Hillary backs.
>>69061035
>Those greedy wall street fat cats just sit on their investments and pay no taxes and help no one but themselves!
>Donald Trump is a failure for investing in businesses, charities, and employees
Liberals need to make up their minds. Also:
>What is the price for being a multinational celebrity who's become a household name the world over?
>Warren Buffet is a party insider who's close ties with the democratic party have ensured he never needs to worry about competition, either for his slumlord properties or his oil transportation monopoly by rail.
Here's a notion.
What if he done things because he wanted to? What if it wasn't to get every cent he could? Maybe he simply wanted to put hotels or casinos in communities to employ people. There are plenty of videos of him just giving shit away, he seems genuine.
Trump is what, almost 70? And we haven't heard of any wrong doings from him? You'd think having all his connections and working with people around the globe that surely someone would talk bad about him.
But that isn't the case. Instead he seems to be universally loved by people who worked with or for him. Instead, people just chant RACIST! Cruz has a sex scandal as the "religious" part of the right and the worst they can get on Trump is shit he publicly says and is misconstrued.
MAGA
If it's easy to run a business, by all means do better.
>>69066786
There's no evidence to support that exact number. In the early 90s he slipped into debt (I've seen estimates of 20 million but it's not conclusive), but it's not like all of his properties and assets suddenly disappeared.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/23/business/yourmoney/whats-he-really-worth.html
>>69061035
So what your'e saying is he didnt lean back and let his money do the work for him like youre average Jude?
He actually tried to produce something with it? Make something new?
So your'e saying he failed so many times and still has more money than you will ever even
SEE?
>>69066834
No wonder they want student loan forgiveness. They thought it was free money to go to school.
>>69061035
Which is he, Kikeburg? Evil, billionaire, corporate fat-cat or loser businessman? I can't keep up.
>>69061923
Aren't they remaking this movie?
>>69061035
Wow Jeb! haven't heard from you in a while. How's the BTFO muh I quit life treating you?
>>69064225
rare?
>>69066327
Would get close to that fucking thing without claw gloves
>>69063207
Yeah, for real. Bernie was heavily in debt late into life, never really worked a real job. Hillary comes from money.
>>69068429
Hillary is a Dixie mafia bitch. Her money comes from pay-offs disguised as legal income.
>>69067175
Maybe it'll snow in Miami tomorrow. Maybe you can bet against it.
>>69061035
You don't make the cover of Forbes several times over two+ decades by being a poor business man. If it was so easy, every trust fund kid would be as successful as Trump.
>>69068429
Isn't Bernie still in debt?
>>69062245
>>69062503
Fuck off. He isn't the greatest business tycoon of all time, but he is an excellent businessman and anyone with a business background can see that.
>>69067459
>So what your'e saying is he didnt lean back and let his money do the work for him like youre average Jude?
No. I'm saying that he's a mediocre businessman by any standard or comparison. It's a comparison. I'm not saying what he should or shouldn't have done. I'm saying that what he DID do was unremarkable.
>>69069113
>what he did do was unremarkable
Isnt like only 0.00000001% of the world population more succesful than him?
>>69069113
What is your business background, Anon? How many successful fortune 500 companies have you personally lead?
>>69069371
None. My father was a respiratory therapist.
>>69069318
http://archive.fortune.com/galleries/2008/fortune/0805/gallery.private_companies.fortune/31.html
Yeah, running the 31st most successful private firm in the world is unremarkable and mediocre. When I think "moderately successful firm," I think the Trump Organization instead of Raising Canes or some such shit.
>>69061035
Still 10000000000000000x better than a cunt socialist and that cunt clinton
>>69069766
>world
Actually, I meant the US. Still, the Trump Organization has been very successful.
Would it make sense for someone like Bill Gates or some other outstandingly wealthy and successful businessperson to run in lieu of Trump? Perhaps--but Trump did it first.
>>69070135
Bill Gates donated half his fortune to ruining the African economy (i.e. causing huge inflation and destruction of native industry by just dumping 500 billion into the local economy). Hed' campaign on retarded commie platforms like Bernard Sanders.
>>69070010
If you say so.
>>69065092
>Occupy Democrats
So lemme guess, I should vote for the cuck running a scam for donations or the bank-bought, book-cooking harpie because Trump is *only* worth $4.5bil?
>>69073069
I don't care who you vote for.
>>69073766
So what the fuck is the point of this thread, cunt?
>>69067830
If they do they should have vin back as the giant.
>>69074954
People have been lauding Trump's business savvy, and I think it's undeserved. If people still want to vote for the guy despite his (at best) modest business performance, then so be it. I just think it should be up for discussion.
>>69063806
>You do realize that neither Bill Gates nor Warren Buffet have made their fortunes or anything else without their dad's influence, right?
Explain? Bill was an amazing programmer/businessman and Warren Buffet is one of the most brilliant investors ever. They may have had a leg up in life because of their parents' wealth but they didn't get inheritance or million dollar loans from them.
>>69061035
Warren Buffet is one of the greatest investors of all time, retard.
That's like saying someone is slow because Usain Bolt is way faster.
At least he made his money instead of being a career politician for the joos
>>69076731
No. I'm saying that he makes himself out to be Usain Bolt when he's actually mediocre.
>if he invested in this or that before it got big
