Global warming is a real problem. And a big one.
>>69056745
cool fire lookout.
how big of a problem do you think it is?
seems manageable if <2.5 degrees diff by 2100
Is this picture the one you meant to post?
If so, quality shitposting. I approve.
>>69057161
this
The Jews are a real problem. And a big one.
>>69057161
I like fire lookouts for some reason
>>69057499
>nice dubs
I wanna do a season out in grand teton or yellowstone
>>69057499
Firewatch is a pretty cool game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyKg7xmVIKw
Mark is a bit of a fag but the game itself is comfy and captures the feel of the era pretty well.
>a society revolving around finite and dirty forms for energy
>>69058916
its got a bad ass soundtrack
>cheap talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeWdufWnGN8
>>69059237
well society is trapped between a rock and a hard place
hydrocarbons create energy when burned better them just about anything.
CO2 always results. So people try things that use less hydrocarbons but it burns worse. No burn no energy.
So its always clean and weak, or dirty and strong.
>>69056745
Fire look out?
Got a few up in Dorset, Ontario the biggest one is a tourist attraction
>>69057161
The real problem isn't a couple of degrees temperature rise or sea levels going up a dozen meters. Both of those would be bad but things that we and the environment could adjust to. The scary possibility is a runaway greenhouse effect where rising temperatures cause permafrost to melt, releasing huge amounts of methane, which would then raise the temperature even more, melting more permafrost, releasing even more methane, raising the temperature even more and so on until we're Venus. There's no guarantee that this will happen but if it does, we're fucked. Losing even big cities like New York and London to rising waters would be something we could deal with. Venusification of Earth isn't.
>>69059247
Comfy my friend.
>>69056745
How so?
>>69059418
We could adapt, with some pain, to using mostly renewables and nuclear but the will isn't there. Even if the US and Europe did switch, China and India, along with the rest of the developing world would happily cruise along using the cheaper hydrocarbons so we'd end up in the same place slightly later.
>>69059723
>sea levels going up a dozen meters.
>Both of those would be things that we could adjust to.
That's what i was thinking , people have 85 years to rezone or barricade. Why should people subsidize seaside mansions with flood insurance?
Sure some islands will disappear , but thats what 40,000 people tops to move? People have moved before on Earth.
I actually have some data on 2.0-2.5 hotter earth. (cont)
>>69060107
1. 15-30% decrease in annual rainfall for SW North America, Mediterranean Basin, South America and Sub-Saharan Africa extending dry seasons. Tropical freshwater sources are expected to decrease by 1/3. Massive desertification of the Sahel region will result in loss of habitability causing large-scale migration. 200% increase in wild-fire events in areas affected by decreased rainfall.
2. 15-30% increase in annual rainfall for High-Latitude regions extending wet seasons. High Latitude freshwater sources are expected to grow. Growing seasons and precipitation will increase for Britain, Scandinavia and Yukon
3. 15-30% decrease in stream flow for Mid to Low Latitude waterways. Amazon River Basin can expect 90% loss of its far Western aquatic systems, opening land to agricultural development.
4. 45% reduction in Arctic Sea Ice. Freshwater runoff from melting ice caps will raise ocean levels by 1/2 a meter (1.6 ft), resulting in major flooding in low-lying atolls. Ocean altering pH and possibly effecting marine populations. The northern polar ice will erode significantly opening up the Northwest passage for shipping traffic.
>>69060240
5. 90% of summer seasons expected to be hotter than 95% of all summer seasons during the 20th century. Winters at arctic and temperate latitudes will experience a 3 degree increase in average annual temperature by 2100.
6. Permafrost liquefaction will cause increase mudslide activity in artic regions, positive feedback effect will allow for increased vegetation and yields at high latitudes and till from glacier wash will increase soil arability. Species from lower latitudes will intrude into higher ones.
7. Liquefaction from mountain glacier ice will increase mud and rockslides events, particularly in the Alps and Himalayas. Runoff from increased glacier melting will mitigate evaporation of water tables in Southern Europe and the Indian Subcontinent.
8. Coastal areas will face an increase hurricane presence and areas along the Eastern US, Caribbean, East and South Asia and the Bay of Bengal. These areas will experience faster coastline erosion and increased flood events.
9. Warmer ocean temperatures will cause irreversible loss of coral reef ecosystems disrupting several marine food chains. The ENSO cycle will occur more frequently.
>>69056745
Nobody will do anything to substantially reduce global warming. The problem will fix itself by killing off billions of people.
Oh my days,
Fact-based and rational arguments on /pol/
>>69059958
Nuclear would be the best option as the backbone, and then supplement with wind (or solar if they can get the EROEI up) for in-situ supply.
Car MPG standards keep rising making gasoline demand drop continuously over the next several decades.
If we do this most likely <2.0 degrees by 2100
if we do nothing...
No worse than 2.4 degrees (RCP. 4.5)
This follows the storyline of the SRES B1 Emissions Scenario and the predicted outcome is 655 ppm by 2100, RCP4.5 is most likely.
>>69059237
>oh no
>we have longer growing seasons
>and fewer deaths from extreme cold conditions
>and more fresh water
>and bigger crops
>and the water level isn't actually going to rise for 4-5 generations
>and we haven't actually experienced any more severe weather in the past fifty years than before
He's a weeping Indian nigger for you.
>>69060406
those are some nice towers too.
i uses to work in a air tower for an airfield in the middle of nowhere.
I support nuclear energy.
I support funding research on fusion energy.
>>69060240
>>69060263
Those are all bad outcomes but things that humanity could survive and that nature would adapt to eventually. Might not be as nice of a world as today but not the end of life either. But fuck, runaway greenhouse gases are scary.
>>69060107
>Sure some islands will disappear , but thats what 40,000 people tops to move?
Netherlands, Bangladesh...
Global warming is about as big as a problem as the KKK, its overhyped and bullshit
>>69059723
are you trolling?
you literally sound like a fucking idiot. there is no positive feed-back loop in nature. There is only a positive feed-back loop in your retarded train of thought.
So what is this thread about?
Climate or Towers?
>>69060406
I've been drinking, that's why. Normally I'd call you reindeer fucker.
>>69056745
so this is the tower you plan to live in when the polar ice caps melt?
mine is nowhere near as nice as yours, but is in my back yard, and is decorated with many bright colors.
>>69056745
Uh the heat death of the universe is a real problem too, and a bigger one
>>69060263
>>69060240
retard alert!!!!!
>>69060895
Proof or GTFO.
Oh, wait, you don't understand. Let me translate into niggerese for you.
Proof faggot or GTFO.
>>69060901
Towers are a bigger danger because planes can fly into them
>>69060985
not half bad
>>69060901
It's about a government conspiracy to use firewatch towers to control the weather.
>>69058916
Decent game despite a few minor flaws.
>>69060762
somethings get broke, methane burps, other opportunities open. Like I said we can probably avoid the worst of it if we keep on with nuclear power or more efficient gas usage.
Losing rain forest will suck and desalinization will make water cost more. There is really no way to reverse.
At least if all else fails and we keep on trucking with business as usual, it will never be as bad as 2.4 degrees.
Tech in the 2100 will be able to keep up with some high seas and storms and water demand.
The whole 4 degree number comes from BS population estimates that new birth rates don't support.
>>69060985
>4032 / 2
>Not living in a goat tower
>>69060842
Netherlands can build a levy.
Bangladesh needs to move.
Them's the breaks. Can't reverse time.
>>69060901
Climate Towers
>>69059723
>Enough natural gas in permafrost to turn Earth into a different planet
Why has nobody thought to mine that shit, sell it as natural gas and make billions?
Foggy one.
Alan Wake aesthetics.
>>69056745
yea but i'm not too smart and it's just simpler to pretend that it isn't
i mean what's the worst thing that could happen really
>>69056745
Considering the majority of greenhouse emissions come from forest fires, your picture is actually very relevant.
>>69061323
Either way, I'm making plans for a mountain homestead.
>>69059723
Oh no, it's worse than that!
There's also methane clathrates in the ocean that can be released as well because of warming. Then there's the oscillation current that is being disrupted by freshwater melt diluting the upper layer of the ocean. Then there's the acidifcation caused by higher CO2 concentrations that weaken algae and plankton populations, decreasing the amount of CO2 converted into oxygen. Then there's the loss of sea and land ice reflecting light off of the surface, leading to decreased albedo. Then there's the increased incidences of wildfires releasing even more CO2, and the blackened landscape decreasing albedo even further. Feedback loop on top of feedback loop, which cause non-linear climate change until Earth settles in its next stable climate state.
The situation is apocalyptic. Hell, even our response to climate change is going to make it worse - by reducing carbon emissions, we are also reducing sulfate aerosol emissions. The loss of global dimming will, itself, result in 1-3C of warming and further accelerate the feedback loops.
Add in ocean acidification destroying coral and shellfish, habitat loss and over fishing and poaching causing mass extinction, industrial agriculture destroying topsoil and polluting rivers, deforestation causing desertification, rising sea levels destroying ALL coastal cities, chaotic weather and megastorms lowering agricultural output and destroying infrastructure, and mass human migration destabilizing countries... fuck that's not even all of it.
Add in huge levels of public and private debt, add in a casino economy where bubbles form and pop every few years, add in collapsed governments and civil wars and increased tensions between the West and the East, add in peak resource production, add in antibiotic resistance and outbreaks of new and terrifying diseases... we're all gonna fucking die.
And liberals want to fucking tax carbon, as if it will do jack shit.
>>69056745
People actually care about the planet
lmao2
>>69061679
comfy
is that mount rainier?
>>69061526
There's a higher economic return on other projects currently. When I lived in southern California there were places where oil naturally bubbled up from the ground. No one bothered to gather it up since it wasn't economically viable to do so. In areas with lots of oil, there would be wells. There are actually some hidden in the middle of Los Angeles disguised as buildings. But in general, just because something contains energy doesn't mean it is economical to extract at this time in competition with other easier to extract forms of energy.
Posting in historic thread about the aesthetics of fire lookouts.
The Earth and everything living on it is screwed once the methane trapped under the ice is released.
>>69061679
Nice.
But it yells "USA" way too much.
>>69061886
Mt. Adams. It's the Wranglerstar homestead. Despite them trying to keep the location secret, it took me ten minutes to find their house on bing (oddly enough, it's not on Google Maps).
space blanket is my plan B
>>69056745
Everyone who says this should be conscripted for a war on China.
China produces 100x more pollution than the entire Western world combined.
So sure global warming is a problem but are you willing to kill to solve it or are you just going to blame your own race which has the most minor impact aside from fucking tribal societies?
>>69060901
Sweet upper atmospheric magnetic dustcloud anon- are you ready to see yourself looking at yourself---
What a world(s)
I love you guys-
>>69062091
People in rural areas still have things to be proud of.
>>69061461
we should be ok, as long as they're not fawlty
If "global warming" is real, then why did it snow this year?
Check m8 libturds.
>>69062274
Well, that's the real problem, isn't it? No matter what we do, China will keep on doing what they're doing and not give a shit.
>>69061686
> leading to decreased albedo.
what about the increasing albedo from desertification at the equator? whats the net loss?
>There's also methane clathrates
I thought the break even point on that happens at 3.0? no?
>over fishing and poaching causing mass extinction
commercialize and mass produce them. problem solved.
>chaotic weather and megastorms
I don't see any pattern on increased storm activity.
>rising sea levels destroying ALL coastal cities
No. Even if the 4 degree scenario was possible it would not even raise above 1m of sea live rise.
>migration
manageable
Much of this is a little overblown.
>>69061383
One does not simply live in the goat tower
>>69061992
dont smoke in bed guys
>>69062274
Well in Finland we have the same situation.
Russia fucks up our ocean. And hippies blame us.
>>69062103
i call BS. show real proof other than Al Gore yapping when he made millions selling "carbon offsets" to make you feel good about driving an suv.
>>69061977
So you're saying there might be a hope for mineralogists and petrology after the supposed run out of oil in 2050?
>>69062274
>china
but they are the factory that makes all the shit you buy
for what purpose?
>>69056745
Dude you're in fucking Finland, why the fuck should you care? What you can't ride your iceberg boats down the river to the next town over anymore?
cottage
>>69062978
>Bomb china to kingdom come
>Companies are forced to open in new regions
>Won't go to the middle east because too violent
>Won't go to Russia because too corrupt
Gee we fix global warming by a large margin and pretty much fix Western Society
all weather is a cycle, yeah sometimes it's a little different but it never changes. where i live, on Dec 23 we have had precipitation, snow, sleet, but usually rain, every year since 1979 when i started paying attention.
>>69056745
>Global warming is a real
Yes.
>problem.
Maybe.
>And a big one.
Unlikely.
>>69063147
>make everything in America or Europe
>prices triple
>u ar now a poorfag
>>69059723
It's going to take a few hundred million years for the Earth to become anything like Venus, and nothing because of anything special about the Earth. It would be due to expansion of the sun. Anyone who thinks Earth is at risk of becoming anything like Venus due to human activity can't even read propaganda correctly.
>>69059723
When the earth's atmosphere had an average CO2 concentration of more than 2000 ppm and higher temperature for millions of years, why was there no runaway greenhouse effect? Seeing as it is currently only 400ppm, why would you assume that it will happen now?
>>69063522
>>69063542
The most reliable scenario is RCP 4.5 and then dropping after 2100.
>RCP
>Representative Concentration Pathway
This based on IPCC concensus
wheres the fucking weed???
>>69063542
It'll most likely max at 650ppm and then decrease after 2100.
>>69063959
cozy
>>69063375
>Jack prices up
>Suddenly you are not making any money
Won't happen.
The rich are fine with making less money if they remain rich and it's their only option
WE ARE ALL MELTING
EVERYONE DEAD BY 2020 IF WE DONT INCREASE CARBON TAXES
>>69056745
>10 months of snow
>complains about warming
>>69062804
What does Al Gore have to do with Bing Maps?
>>69064328
Paleogene Era climate was pretty shitty tbqh, and the oxygen levels would make you high just by breathing.
The true problems are the agricultural subsidies, especially corn and hownit relates to beef. It leads to methane gas, drought, soil degradation, soil erosion, etc. I have no idea why environmwntal issues are conceived as liberal standing points.We must take care of mother nature, our offspring deserve to experience all the beauty of God's creation that we get to see.
>>69062937
Maybe. Depends on if we are able to harness teen face grease as an energy source.
globalo warmingo
im scared
>>69064328
Well, they do still have four years to make it happen. First rule in making predictions: never give an absolute date.
>>69061323
Not a problem. SE La.here. we can build some pretty nice levees these days.
>>69064797
agro subsidies are the worst, them and dams also contribute alot to water table depletion.
There are ways to get capitalism to work with conservation by incentives to not despoil common resources.
>>69064049
What??
How can it max at 650ppm but decrease after 2100? 2100 ppm is then the max?
>>69063953
The IPCC doesn't take feedbacks into account. For instance, the clathrate guns go off at 3C.
Not Venus Earth (we're simply too far from the Sun for that), but a return to Hothouse Earth conditions is pretty much locked in if the clathrates sublimate.
>>69065251
Current year+84 nigger
Btw this is beach from my city
>>69065328
>the clathrate guns go off at 3C.
should be good though because RCP 4.5
wont get past 2.4 degrees by 2100 with only 650ppm at max.
RCP 6 and 8 are based on bad population stats and a disregard for nuclearization.
>>69065251
2100 anno domani
>>69065421
Apologies, I missed your reply + the chart.
>>69065572
when do the beaches open?
>>69061232
CLAPCLAP!
>>69056745
>tfw no tower house in the forest
>>69065716
Yes, I understand...
I was missing some context.
>it's warmer than ever in December
>climate change!
>it's colder than ever in March
>climate change!
What if our calendars aren't lined up with the Earth any more and we just need a leap month or two?
>>69065930
>tfw no extremely visible structure for people to raid for food, and easily burn/chop to the ground even if defended
feels good man.
>>69065930
>tower house
It's a Forest Service Lookout Station you dip.
>>69065857
You can go there whenever you want.
>>69066322
kinda of the same thing
This rugged couple just bought one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkArlRbA9VM
My ID changed.
Damn weedman.
OG lookout
>>69056745
what's globe-el warming, sounds ficticious
>>69066812
Globe-eel warning
Pretty self-explanatory
Climate change is a problem, but most people are too stupid to know things like the expanding of the Sahara and more expanding deserts world wide. Arabia could be green with some careful planting.
Africans, Indians, and Chinese are ruining the environment with little to no harm to themselves as Europe and the US are still very much livable and most of these people just flee there.
>>69063147
Are you fucking dumb?
Our military is so inept we can't wipe I disorganized sandnigger poppy farmers or vietnamese with outdated weapons. Do you know when the last time we actually won a war was? China would fuck us in a war because they do what it takes to win.
That feel when work in the oil indsutry and couldn't give a fuck what you think.
There is a huge demand, and until that demand stops we aint stopping.
Literally everything uses Oil and the only reason renewable energy exists is because of huge government subsidies
>>69057499
>>69058916
I was about to say that you should pkay Firewatch. Beat me to it.
>>69068990
I meant to say play.
and the alternatives....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ll1mzLulc
>>69060976
Fucking love Blantons
>>69059723
>The real problem isn't a couple of degrees temperature rise or sea levels going up a dozen meters. Both of those would be bad
A 2C rise would be good. Life does MUCH BETTER when the climate is warmer and there's more CO2. (How the fuck do you think dinosaurs got to be the size of barns?)
Nothing short of a solar event is going to send sea levels up 12 meters (KEK).
>The scary possibility is a runaway greenhouse effect where rising temperatures cause permafrost to melt,
>releasing huge amounts of methane,
>which would then raise the temperature even more,
>melting more permafrost,
>releasing even more methane,
>raising the temperature even more and so on
>until we're Venus.
A) The "run away methane doomsday!" scenario is shit.
B) Nothing can turn this planet into Venus. Only a child with zero understanding of the two planets could believe this shit.
Venus is not super hot because of CO2, but because of atmospheric density. If we dropped Al Gore on Venus his body would crush the same as if we sent him to the Titanic then opened the sub door.
Earth is not Venus and never will be Venus. It's like saying "hurr durr if we don't stop globull warmingz we will turn into Jupiter."
>>69060240
>>69060263
Inane predictions made in the name of SCIENCE with absolutely NO scientific backing!
Brought to you by the same assholes who claimed NYC would be partially under water by now!
TOP KEK CLAIMS
* "Decreasing rainfall / desertification" - AGW theory is all about increasing global average atmospheric H2O due to increased CO2. Nearly all the warming comes from H2O. No increased H2O, no significant warming. How the fuck do you have LESS rain if there's MORE H2O in the atmosphere???
* "Freshwater runoff from melting ice caps will raise ocean levels by 1/2 a meter" - there is no runoff from Arctic melt. (And Antarctica is gaining ice.)
* "90% of summer seasons expected to be hotter than 95% of all summer seasons during the 20th century." - one of the key predictions (i.e. theory confirming or falsifying predictions) of AGW theory is that almost all of the warming happens at night and during the winter. Summers would not get appreciably hotter. If they do, it means CO2 is NOT the cause of the warming.
* "Coastal areas will face an increase hurricane presence" - hurricanes actually require very precise conditions to form. Warmists claim dramatic warming of surface ocean temps on one hand, then claim increased hurricanes on the other. You blow past a certain point and the hurricanes will NOT form. So which is it?
* A doubling of preindustrial CO2, absent any feedbacks, would result in a maximum forcing of +1.2C.
* The General Circulation Models, and the IPCC, predict 2-8C of warming because AGW theory assumes a positive H2O feedback. They assume that if CO2 causes a little warming, the atmosphere will hold more water vapor which will lead to a lot of warming.
* The warming predictions cover such a large range because everyone assumes a different average H2O feedback rate.
* Every GCM based on this assumption has failed to model temperatures for the past 15 years. They are all trending too high. (Pic related.)
* In the late 1990's the modelers themselves stated that if they missed their predictions for more then a decade that would falsify AGW theory.
* There is no data to suggest a +H2O feedback either now or in Earth's past.
* If there is no +H2O feedback then we literally have nothing to worry about.
* The average climate change believer knows none of this. Politicians, citizens, activists, surprisingly even a lot of scientists are literally ignorant of the theory and the math. In their mind it's simply "CO2 = bad" and "experts say we're warming faster then ever."
