Why did so many young people pick Bernie over Rand?
>expecting millenials to not vote for anyone other than an old dude promising free shit
>>69040682
Culture of cuckold resentment
>>69040682
Because there's this stigma against any republican, so they fail to realize that Rand is better in almost every way. That and >>69040805
>>69040682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXwDMqjC-A
watch the greatest btfo'ing of our time
>>69040682
>millennials
>reasonable and informed on issues
>>69041005
wow Bernie got rekt
Stand with Rand stand with Rand stand with Rand
Millennials have an entitlement complex.
Freedom scares them
>>69041005
>That fucking woman
>>69041005
This is so fucking stupid. "Healthcare is a right"
b-but Canadian anon, you live in the socialist paradise of free healthcare!
I live in the shithole of wait times, rationing, and paying for the bypass on some fatass out of my pockets while I can't get a doctor.
You can't have a "right" to something with a perpetually increasing cost. Either you pay for it yourself, or the state cuts you off eventually.
manlet
>>69040682
Petty wedge issues like gay marriage and abortion.
Us young fucks are usually supportive of both so we lean Democrat.
They're both the libertarian-ish side of their parties, the problem was that Paul had to run against like 13 other people in the most nasty GOP convention in recent history.
Sanders just had to run against a nobody and corruption personified. Sorry, Randbros. He's still young. It ain't over yet for his side of the GOP.
>>69040682
Freedom vs free stuff
Freedom is a tough sell until it is lost
>>69040682
Gibsmedats>FREEDOM
>>69041005
maybe he can not be a doctor?
rand tells people that everything is okay(there is no problem with society, in fact libertarians are to selfish to even hold the concept of society). his solution is not human action it is inaction. this is obviously a non-solution so people are not motivated.
>hey people who care about society
>you know what you should do?
>lower taxes on the rich
>>69040682
>free shit
>absolving student debt
hmm I wonder
>>69040682
Say it with me now:
FREE SHIT
>>69040805
>>69041107
Isn't it fair to say that many of Ron Paul's supporters were millennials, though? Are millennials so capricious to make such a dramatic political shift?
It's a shame that Rand Paul is a manlet. His policies are good, but he'll never be a president with that height.
>>69040682
Commie: Hey kids, do you like free stuff?
Kids: yeah!
Commie: Well useful idiots vote for me and I will give you more than Obama did.
Kids: ok!
also bernouts don't understand economics
>>69040682
Same reason the GI generation so overwhelmingly picked FDR. Civic archetypes just love big large government nanny states. They love being a cog in the machine. Libertarianism just isn't for them.
>>69041394
>his solution is not human action it is inaction.
What? His solution is voluntary action rather than forced action through threat of violence from the government
>>69041532
Yes. The difference with Ron Paul supporters is that most of them are young people that lean right, but do not agree with the social policies/christian pandering of modern conservatives.
>FREE SHIT
>>69040682
One of them promised to take down the establishment so that hard work would be rewarded by success. The other promised to take down the establishment so that everyone could get free shit.
Guess which message resonated more with millennials?
No jobs and free shit.
>>69040682
Young people hate libertarianism.
Serouisly, mainstream youth are entirely opposed to the idea of people being free to do things one diagrees with
>>69040682
Bernie is going to make everyone white again.
>>69041624
Or history.
Baka ass motherfuckers.
because rand is a yupppie kid. bernie is the rea deal. and if you dont see that, your a yuppie too
>>69041005
What really upsets me about this video is that what Rand said went 100% over their heads.
>>69041290
>wait times
Oh lord the wait times. My mom had to wait a year for an mri, only to be told she was fine, despite feeling ill, dizzy, generally unwell all year. Our healthcare system is just a treadmill designed to get as many people out the door as possible, and it can't even do that efficiently.
>>69041532
There was an 8 year gap between the peak of these two politicians. It's hard to say they're the same generation. Ron Paul people were more about global politics where are bernie people are more about domestic.
>>69042150
and what are berntards, blue-collar workers?
>>69042245
Liberals are too dumb. If you make an analogy with a sensitive subject, they automatically discard it as if it's ridiculous without looking at its own merit.
>hurr durr we don't feel like slaves
>>69040682
They would rather have "free" stuff over freedom.
>>69042115
No, most people are so dependent and cuddled they believe people have to not hurt their feelings, and their feelings are a right.
Just because their conscious says something doesn't make it right or valid.
Also, they are so dependent working for anything is unappealing. And having a minimum task/skill based entry level is sufficient to earn as much as a doctor or college graduates.
>>69041394
>yfw writing that
>>69040682
dude free shit lol
>>69041005
What Rand said is fucking retarded. That's like bitching about signing up for the army and then getting arrested when you go AWOL
>>69041532
A lot of the old Ron Paul supporters weren't really supporting him because they were libertarians or non-interventionists. A lot of them just hated the establishment and aligned themselves to the guy because they disagreed with what he disagreed with, not because they agreed with what he agreed with (even if they claimed it was the latter).
>>69041005
>Do you feel like a slave?
what a smug stupid kike
>>69043171
Nope. It's more like the government forcing you to do their bidding. We don't have a right to 'things' like healthcare, college, etc.
>>69040682
>Bernie
>Free stuff
>Bigger government
>Rand
>"No such thing as a free lunch"
>Smaller government
Not really the same. And most young people like the idea of free collage, and being forgiven for their student debts. Not that I agree, I don't.
Libertarianism isn't as appealing as libertarians seem to think it is.
>>69041394
You're retarded.
>"if you don't want us to use force just don't be a doctor!!!"
And I bet you'd say that to every single person who wants to go into healthcare and then guess what? We have a shortage of healthcare providers.
Critical thinking isn't your strong suit.
>>69043617
If you enter a profession of public service, don't be surprised when you are ordered to serve the public.
Because Rand is a piece of shit. He is unworthy of his father's legacy. Trump has more in common with Ron than his son.
rand paul and sanders are on complete other ends from each other, why are you comparing them?
>>69044162
Healthcare isn't a 'public service' any more than some fucker selling you a burrito is.
>>69044162
Yes, but not by way of the government. Your profession is what dictates your serving of the public, not the government.
No one is forcing you to serve the public and that is the critical distinction.
>>69040682
Rand has the charisma of a snail's limp dick. It amazes me that he's Ron Paul's son.
>>69041005
Doesnt Trump believe in universal healthcare?
>>69044621
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform
>>69040682
>Why did so many young people pick Bernie over Rand?
>>69042318
>only to be told she was fine, despite feeling ill, dizzy, generally unwell all year
sounds like someones mum was a fucking retard
>>69040972
>Rand is better in almost every way.
>>69044692
nice
thats some good shit
>>69041118
>Stand with Rand stand with Rand stand with Rand
>>69041005
lel libertarians are bigger retards than establishment republicans, at least they're blatant and stick true to their corporate cocksucking. libertarians, however, never understood and will always stay butthurt at the fundamental rule of society that is the social contract. if you're going to say healthcare can't be right with rand's "logic," then why do we have public education, police, firefighters, government, etc
stay mad
>>69041005
I always hear in response to this Paul argument
>what about policemen and firemen, are they slaves? why universal law enforcement paid by taxes but not health care?
what say you
>>69041157
>Freedom scares them
>>69041532
This. A lot of millennials I know who supported Ron Paul are now Bernie supporters. It shows how little they actually know about each candidate, supporting two candidates who have opposite ideologies. However, the older Ron Paul supporters I know are now Trump supporters.
>>69040682
>old dude promising free shit
>old dude promising everything they want but free shit
>>69045155
>hello fellow kids
>>69041394
>>hey people who care about society
>>you know what you should do?
>>lower taxes on the rich
>>69041563
>Rand Paul is a manlet
>>69042150
>because rand is a yupppie kid. bernie is the rea deal. and if you dont see that, your a yuppie too
>>69043171
>What Rand said is fucking retarded
>>69041394
>Have you ever tried not being a nigger, slave?
Holy cuck batman!
>lolbertarians
kek, this board.
>>69043854
>Libertarianism isn't as appealing as libertarians seem to think it is.
>>69045202
Rand's "slavery" point was strictly in response to the notion that healthcare is a right. Police and firemen aren't the same thing.
>>69045928
>Police and firemen aren't the same thing.
yeah why not though
>>69045202
>what about policemen and firemen, are they slaves? why universal law enforcement paid by taxes but not health care?
People in the USA don't have the right to police or firemen. If everyone in the USA suddenly had the "right" to healthcare, what would happen if someone was injured and needed immediate medical attention but no doctors were working at the time? The government would either need to force a doctor to work under threat of violence if he didn't, violating his basic human rights or the injured person wouldn't be able to receive medical attention, infringing on his "right" to healthcare.
>>69044162
>don't be surprised when you are ordered to serve the public.
>>69045998
Because those aren't rights.
>DUDE FREE MARKET LMAO
>DUDE FREE SHIT LMAO
I wonder why
>>69045195
see
>>69044560
It's the fact that the government mandates it is the problem. I also disagree with public education, police, firefighters, etc.
>>69043171
It would be more accurate to relate this to something like a mechanic who refuses to work on somebody's car and the mechanic gets arrested. You know, a private service being forced to be offered to the public.
To Rand, it's not that people shouldn't receive treatment or that doctors should purposefully turn people away. It's the principle that you are forcing someone to provide for someone else, which is slavery.
I think it's neat how Rand turns the usual argument against Libertarianism ("what about roads" -> subjective government limitations) on Bernie. Today health care is a right. Tomorrow there might be the argument for the right to some other private good.
>>69044562
>Rand has the charisma of a snail's limp dick.
>>69045999
>People in the USA don't have the right to police or firemen.
>>69046069
interesting, did not know that
so then why should healthcare not be covered by taxes if law enforcement is
>>69043854
this. Libertarianism is a cancer to the modern world. Take your dinosaur ideology back to the ground from whence it came.
I know we all need a big bad gubment to fight, but back in reality, real Americans will continue to get shit done while you sit in your parent's basement in Kentucky.
Trump is Hitler.
Hitler was a Nazi.
Nazis were socialist.
Bernie is a socialist.
Bernie is not Hitler,
Libs are just fucking confused.
Their policies aren't even close to being the same, but I like Rand.
>>69046159
Because enforcing law privately is braindead retarded.
>inb4 delusional ancaps
>>69046159
Well should I be taxed?
>>69041005
Damn, that was insane! Rand BTFO'd by Bernie
>>69046301
and firemen?
>>69046338
no riddles please
i just want to start understanding
>>69040682
Lots of young people liked Ron Paul and they liked him because of his character. Bernie Sanders has the same good character. Rand is an obvious shill to anyone with any emotional intelligence at all.
>>69046128
This.
>>69041005
That's simply not true, though. Who the fuck is talking about slavery? Who does he think he is?
>>69045550
What do you mean? He's objectively a manlet.
>>69046159
Warren versus DC. Police protection is not a right, and there is legal precedent to support that.
>>69044262
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
good one
>>69046467
>and firemen?
I don't see anything inherently wrong with private firemen, but it's hard to imagine that being a profitable business. Nonetheless, firemen provide a valuable service for a pretty low cost (most firefighters in the US are volunteers), so I see nothing wrong with local governments handling that.
>>69040682
Because one is for giving you free shit the other is for giving you the freedom to get your own shit and keep it. Which one do you think lazy, spoiled young people like more?
>>69046338
>Well should I be taxed?
hell yes? you're already taxed for public goods like police, school, and various other basic necessities, healthcare is just another step forward which practically every other first world country has already taken with greater success than privatized healthcare ever achieved. hell, convince me the internet shouldn't be publicly free nowadays, good luck getting a job or living without it, you fucking bootlicker
>>69046128
>>69046581
I am against universal health care but this is such a retarded autistic argument. they would still getting paid and would still have the choice to not come to work if they were not paid enough.
>>69041005
I can't stop laughing at that extremely upset looking woman in the background.
>>69046720
>>69046637
>>69046301
>>69046338
ok thanks lads
Rand balked on all of his libertarian principles to try and cater to the right wing.
If he actually stuck to his principles he would of been a good alternative.
>>69046762
Why is healthcare a basic necessity?
>>69046762
You might be retarded.
>>69041005
Holy fuck that argument is retarded.
Hospitals are already barred from turning people away. Universal healthcare and cutting out the insurance companies would at least give the issue real funding.
>>69047142
>Hospitals are already barred from turning people away
From the emergency room.
>>69040682
>Why didn't people who are angry at a system they think rewards the rich vote for someone who would give the rich more power to in their eyes exploit them instead of for someone who promises to 'level the playing field' for them
Are you really this retarded, OP?
>>69041290
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/universal-healthcare-doesnt-mean-waiting-longer-to-see-a-doctor/281614/
>>69041290
how long could your wait possibly be? i have to wait literally 4 months to see a dermatologist and that's after you're lucky to find one accepting new patients
bernie is senile and will die before his next erection. dont know why that appeals to youngsters
>>69047796
I know this is a foreign concept for you Norway, but men from other countries don't typically go around thinking about other men's erections.
>>69047796
He released his health report, and according to that, he's in good health. So, no.
>>69040972
This, its just not cool to be a non-democrat, and oh lord I just cannot stand being shamed by celebrities and BET or Obama :(
>>69041005
Just waiting for bernie to say we all have a right to cotton; and cotton pickin machines leave too much carbon footprint..
>>69047968
So he can't even blame sinility or a stroke like clinton.
>>69048361
Clinton is a robot. She doesn't have a health report, but a repair and maintenance report.
>>69041563
Bernie is the same height (5'8). Same with Cruz. I don't understand why he gets the manlet connotation but they don't.
>>69047943
just stating facts and highlighting how tragic his appeal is
>>69044269
>>69046271
I don't understand how people can say this. Bernie's social policies were libertarian and he also voted against war.
>>69048678
Bernie is an old man, everyone expects them to have shrunk a little.
Cruz has so many more places to attack on physical appearance that height never gets a mention.
>>69047968
yes, report is confirmed and signed by doctor of medicine and master of business administration, david shekelberg
>>69049027
The Bern wants to steal from people to give niggers free shit.
That's not libertarian by ANY stretch.
>>69049027
Probably took forever to find a niche way to game isidewith or shop the results.
>libertarian
> D- from NRA
>forces you to get "free" healthcare
Sure bud
Is libertarian just weed to you?
>>69049027
>bernie's social policies were libertarian
rand paul is a jesus loving faggot who resides over the meth'd out shit hole cluster fuck that is kentucky, you god damn retard.
>>69041005
Education is a right.
Would Rand say that it's a violation of the rights of teachers?
This argument is retarded.
I tune Rand out whenever he talks about shit like this. I love him for everything else.
>>69041005
We have heathcare for everyone.
It's not that the Physician are not paid for their patients, even if someone is unemployed the state pays for their health insurance which pays for the doctors.
>>69049403
i'm a social liberal and a fiscal moderate, my first pass on isidewith landed me at about 85% bernie, 84% rand, and i wasn't aiming for anyone in particular
it's not really that hard, bernie is socially liberal and moderately fiscally leftist, rand is socially liberal and moderately fiscally conservative
also, isidewith lets you weight your statements, and since i don't have much faith in my economic beliefs (since i don't have extensive education on macroeconomics), i just rated those as less important
>>69049670
>education is a right
Why
>>69049947
Why is anything a right? Because we decide they are a right.
>>69049027
>he also voted against war
No he didn't. Bern has voted for nearly ever war accept for a couple of Iraq votes.
>>69049403
Lol no. This is my current one.
>>69049947
not that guy
i don't know if education would be considered a right, but i think educating the population is one of the best investments of tax money the government can make. look at what our public education system did back when most of the world were smelly, uneducated peasants.
>>69049626
stupid frogposter.
>>69049947
>>education is a right
>Why
because long ago, we as a society decided education shouldn't only be for the richest and wealthiest of society? it's not a stretch at all to say the same for healthcare
>>69040682
Look at the demographics of young people
>whites are already a minority
>an entire generation of shitskins who spent most of their childhoods watching their parents collect welfare checks
Combine this with the fact that most bernouts are students drowning in debt who have never paid big boy taxes.
America is lost.
>>69047943
I see all nationalities talking about dick sizes daily. You'd think they're hellbent on sucking each other off.
>>69050041
Nice tap dance around the question.
>>69050147
I can get behind this.
>>69050255
It was never for only the wealthiest and richest of society. Did you consider the Puritans of Massachusetts to be the rich and wealthy?
>>69041005
rand is such a fucking moron, seriously. this is an argument i would expect a middle schooler to be above. there are countries that have universal healthcare -- they don't force doctors to perform services, rather they set up systems that allow people to voluntarily become doctors and treat the people that are allowed to use the system.
rand still hates fags and has offered no solution to healthcare/education debt
>>69050579
Yet again someone who missed the point. Congratulations.
>>69050255
You think this decision was out of benevolence? LOL
It was made because it benefits the economy and society to educate everyone. More productive people, less crime, nigger kids have daycare all day so they can't wreak havoc.
Healthcare for all is not economically viable. It's a net loss for the ultra rich to provide it for everyone. Also, it would mean long wait times for people that actually pay. Fuck that.
>>69041005
Rand is so fucking stupid here.
>>69040682
>different parties
The fuck are you talking about OP?
>>69050533
>>69050533
No tap dance, that's the reality of it. Acting like rights come from anywhere besides the decision of a person or people, is retarded.
>>69040682
Rand encourages work and has detail level arguments
Bernie promises free shit and gives a generalized argument thus no critical thinking needed.
Also he's old as shit and comes off as a grandfather where as Rand seems like he belongs in the senate and not the white house
Rand Paul absolutely showed the others in the Republican debates and yet he gets fucked like that in the polls. He's the man america needed.
>>69049345
>Universal heathcare
>muh free shit
Stop.
He supports increasing taxes on the top earners to pay for universal healthcare and infrastructure projects. Saying that a bridge or a train is "free shit for blacks" is just fucking retarded.
>>69050686
his point was that a universal healthcare system implies forcing people to become doctors and perform health services. it doesn't, it's a dumb rhetorical argument with no basis in reality, like all libertarian arguments.
>>69051183
Maybe because the republican party is an awful shitfest and we need to do away with first past the post so this horrible two party system can finally end.
Only Bernie has said that he dislikes the two party system.
>>69051446
He was addressing the notion that healthcare is a right.
>>69050695
oh sure, that's why the entirety of the republican party hasn't been shilling for decades to privatize social security, medicare, practically anything they can that government has proven to do better.
>Healthcare for all is not economically viable. It's a net loss for the ultra rich to provide it for everyone. Also, it would mean long wait times for people that actually pay. Fuck that.
confirmed for bootlicker. of course taxes are bad for the rich and wealthy, they'll pay the most. on the other hand, the people who benefit are the poor. every other advanced country in the world has implemented a single payer system with substantially lower costs and universal availability. try harder, corporate cocksucker
>>69051425
He wants to increase taxes on everyone to "pay" for his shit. The numbers won't add up though and it'll wreck the economy.
>>69040682
Rand didn't promise free shit. Only freedom.
>>69041005
Rand thinks free healthcare means he has to work and won't get paid for it?
Thats completely wrong.
But I understand, the guy works in the industry and will be paid less when there isn't insurance companies backing him up.
This is a really bad picture, especially for critical thinkers of /pol/
>>69049763
0/10
>>69051683
Just like it wrecked every other economy that implemented it?
>>69051573
and he addressed it with a meaningless rhetorical argument that has no basis in reality. plenty of countries consider healthcare a right of their citizens and are able to provide it without forcing people to become doctors. people willingly become doctors and voluntarily participate in a healthcare system set up to guarantee that all citizens have access to it.
>>69051884
>the US is exactly the same as other countries
wew go take an economics course.
From the tax foundation:
>According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, the plan would significantly increase marginal tax rates and the cost of capital, which would lead to 9.5 percent lower GDP over the long term.
>On a static basis, the plan would lead to 10.56 percent lower after-tax income for all taxpayers and 17.91 percent lower after-tax income for the top 1 percent. When accounting for reduced GDP, after-tax incomes of all taxpayers would fall by at least 12.84 percent.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan
>>69050533
>It was never for only the wealthiest and richest of society. Did you consider the Puritans of Massachusetts to be the rich and wealthy?
are you implying those in power and well connected would ever willingly educate the proles in any way? you can bet your ass people died for public education and wasn't given by government without kicking and screaming. republicans are still butthurt about blacks being able to vote, see: pol
>>69052050
>the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model
the pinnacle of macroeconomic modeling no doubt
>>69051755
>>69051755
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights
>>69051885
You're still missing the point. Considering healthcare as a right means that it is a service mandated by the government to be provided to all citizens. This implies that under the threat of force, governments have the right to force people to provide such services without their consent.
>but that's purely philosophical
Of course, but it's the left that brings up the point that "healthcare is a right" to begin with.
>>69051871
That clearly wasn't his argument. There are plenty of posts in this thread which explain his position, maybe you should look to them for clarification.
>>69052243
>I don't like data that hurts my feelings.
Typical liberal.
>The plan would lead to 4.3 percent lower wages, an 18.6 percent smaller capital stock, and 6.0 million fewer fulltime equivalent jobs.
http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/docs/TaxFoundation-FF498.pdf
>>69045370
the millennial divide, which is the reason grouping them together is a retarded notion
A right, in its normal original meaning is something you simply should have and no one can restrict or take away from you.
Originally 'rights' only meant natural 'god-give' rights of pursuit of happiness etc, which is something like saying everyone has a right as humans to pursue happiness because thats just a basic characteristic of the human condition so it would be retarded to restrict it.
Then it morphed into laws and legality =rights.
Then it morphed into MUH FEELINGS= rights.
So now rights= I just feel like i should have it.
Saying people should have healthcare as a right is disingenuous, either it means people should have the right to pursue healthcare which is a redundant statement.
Or it means what socialist fags really intend, you FORCE healthcare on people with the excuse 'its a right' ala obamacare.
>>69040682
>>69040682
The real question is why didn't Ron Paul win the Republican nomination, and the answer is that it was flat out stolen from him. Has a member of the house ever done better? If all these Bernie Babies had given a shit about Rom we would have seen an honest to goodness revolution, but they are all a bunch of blind stupid pussy fraidycats who want the government to help poor people. "Please government take all my tax dollars and help people less fortunate than me", but they don't understand that big government will always fuel everything they hate about big government.
>mfw bernie creates a national tax collection branch of the fedral police to collect us business tax dollars in foreign countries
>>69051871
What you are thinking about is FREE healthcare.
Rand is talking about the RIGHT to health care.
The difference is When healthcare is free taxes and goods must be provided in exchange for the physician.
When its a right it means there must be a doctor for you no matter what if you get sick or injured. If I had a right to Guns instead of BEARING guns that I get a gun no charge. Same with Healthcare. I get it no matter what making Doctors become commodities instead of a job as it is not necessary to pay them
>>69051562
Society would have to stir up one hell of an outrage to actually get a third party president elected. The only reason why right-wing parties are so successful in europe is because of muslim immigrants (mostly on welfare) fucking shit up. Just wait until the jews get an even stronger grip on the Republican Party (They almost succeeded with Jeb Bush when he was polling so well in 2013) and the Libertarian candidate is still polling at over 10% despite anti-establishment candidates still not being completely stomped out by their fellow party members.
>>69052758
Thank you. This is a great way of putting it.
>>69051641
>every other advanced country in the world has implemented a single payer system
You're objectively wrong. Here's a list of countries with single-payer healthcare: Australia, Canada, Spain, Taiwan, and the UK. And Australia is debatable, because they set fees in a hybrid model. Are there some countries with single-payer healthcare? Of course, but they have very different cultures from America, where we believe in a smaller government with less services but also less regulation of people's lives. If you don't like it, get the fuck out. There are plenty of legal immigrants who would love to take your place and actually work to better themselves instead of sucking at the government's teat.
>>69053338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo
>>69040682
FREE SHIT
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>>69040972
Canada got it right. If a libertarian wants to win they should run as democrat. Take the stance "yeah I'm liberal on gay rights and stuff just like you guys, but hey, you should be liberal on guns and economics too"
And for the fucktards that are unaware, liberal on guns means support gun rights/oppose gun control, and liberal on economics means free market (be it capitalism, socialism, or a mix of the two).
Rand does not want to make everything free.
He's a libertarian and knows economics unlike sanders
>>69041005
Holy shit Randlet is a fucking retard
So the Doctors all around Europe and in Canada are slaves right?
>>69054210
That might have worked like a decade or so ago, but it's way too late now. Democrats are all about progressive shit. Conservatives can be swayed on social issues; it just takes some time.
>>69054463
>I don't understand Rand's point.
>>69040682
Gibs.
>>69051562
>>69053994
There is absolutely nothing wrong with FPTP. The GOP consists of small government libertarians, foreign policy hawks, Christian values voters, Chamber of Commerce fiscal conservatives, and authoritarians. The Democratic Party consists of Third Way classical liberals, conservative Dixiecrats, and the twin growing cancers of far left social activists and "Bernie" style economic denialists. Almost without fail, the two parties elect candidates who represent the most palatable sections of these two parties, and then of them, the more capable or more palatable candidate is generally elected President.
Compare this to countries like France and Poland, which have instant runoff and as a result, fluctuate wildly between the far left and the far right. They never elect a candidate who appeals to the most people because people do not have to vote strategically. If you're willing to be extremely unhappy half the time, then runoff voting works, but first past the post will almost always elect a candidate that the fewest people have a problem with.
>>69054463
Hahaha
>this post again
>>69040682
DUDE
FREE
SHIT
>>69053994
This is mostly true, although as an Austrian I can confirm otherwise in my case because our presidential election's favorites to win are either a member of a party that doesn't get more than 10% of the votes in general elections or a party-less candidate. The thing is that our president doesn't have the legislative and executive power that the US-President has and acts more as a representator like the Queen but with more political ties.
Rand doesn't pander to the leeches of society by promising them free shit at the expense of the work in class. People dont want freedom because freedom entails personal accountability, self-reliance and hard work.
>>69052758
>Australia
>Making this much sense
I am I high?
>>69056093
>I am I high?
Looks like it
>>69050115
Get aids.
>>69042245
That's why he doesn't stand a chance, same goes for his father. They both make too much sense, retards simply don't get it.
Public healthcare isn't a right, it's a privilege that prosperous nations can afford their citizens.
>>69052305
exactly this, 'right' is a very specific term the left likes to throw around for brownie points
I love hearing people having the "right" to go to college now as well
>>69055088
MORE LIKE
DUDE WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION
>>69040682
Vote buying. Bernie promised to pay for their trillions in student loans.
>>69044262
lol absolutely false.
>>69041005
poor Rand's downfall is that he thinks anyone but him in the room cares about the constitution
bless him
Because both Rand Paul and Ron Paul are crazy capitalists that want to give all the freedom to businesses. Businesses that exploit it's workforce, businesses that will take every opportunity to make profit with no repercussions from the government for unethical practices, businesses that basically make us all peasants in the eyes of our employers.
>>69041005
What was this for anyway?
>>69047452
Article is bullshit. Every good damn hospital I've been to in the frozen wasteland you wait so fucking long. My wife had to wait almost a year to get an ultrasound. An ultrasound to check for cancer , which the doctors thought she might have.
Articles can spout as much shit as they want it won't change reality
>>69041563
Putin is a manlet too mate
>>69058125
On top of that, he wants to get rid of all social programs, social programs that help Americans live and put food on the table.
As a New Zealander, I'm very fortunate for having (mostly) free healthcare here. I probably would have been drowning in $100k+ debt if I'd have been living in the USA.
>>69058594
It was from a Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Subcommittee meeting I believe. Also here's another clip from said meeting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt8vDQ6H1eQ
>>69045202
>he thinks people have a "right" to police officers/firemen
>he probably thinks that police "must protect" anyone they see getting injured like personal bodyguards
Show me the law. I dare you.
>>69040682
It's all about the gibsmedat
>>69040682
Bernie directly addressed a major concern of the youth: College. Rand did not.
Otherwise though, as far as Republican candidates went Rand's highest popularity WAS among the young.
Young people who were standing with Rand.. are more likely to have switched to Bernie after Rand dropped out instead of Cruz.
>>69047452
That's bullshit, I remember being a kid and having to wait several hours to see a doctor at the hospital with my mom.
It just turned out that I ate too may carrots and that's why my skin was turning orange. I just remember the conversation being very brief yet my mom and I were there past midnight.
Young people like gibsmedats
Rand tried to sell a hard truth that social security is insolvent, rising college tuition is due to government subsidies, and that individualism would trump government assistance.
Bernie just says that the rich are the reason why shit is fucked which is a much easier thing for young people to digest.
Rand probably had most of his support split between Cruz voters (tea party) and Trump/ Some of Sanders (Meme voters)
>>69058780
>>69060253
The figures in the article do show that Canada has longer wait times than the US.
>>69053976
>There are plenty of legal immigrants who would love to take your place
Off-topic, but this gave me an idea.
What if we make some sort of citizen exchange program to make immigrating easier.
The system would have a list of people who want to immigrate by country and for every foreign citizen we accept, their country of origin would have to accept one of our citizens, but if there is nobody who want to go then nobody can get in.
That would let many Europeans in since a lot of Americans would like to live there, but wouldn't let many Africans in since nobody wants to live in a shithole.
