>there are people on this board right now who unironically believe some guy named Jesus turned into a zombie 2016 years ago just to tell strangers not to have premarital sex
>>69038037
Does it trigger you?
>>69038037
Good idea, fedoralord. Shit on good, honest Christians while Mudshits bring us closer to armageddon every single day.
>>69038037
>making fun of an actual demigod
That's not why he died and rose again, and no he didn't have long hair.
>>69038037
>2016 years ago
m8...
>>69038362
God, not demigod you blasphemer
>>69038384
>died and rose again
Yeah that can't happen. Retard alert.
>>69038280
whynotboth.jpg
>>69038037
>Making fun of God while knowing your biological demise is just few decades away.
>>69038037
>>69038037
>>69038037
Never heard of him.
>>69038474
>God
>having to abide by laws of nature
>>69038474
How did life come to be? How is life created?
>>69038723
If there is a *god*, it IS the laws of nature. Not some absentee father figure who supposedly loves you, but goes on to create cancer and then get mad if you play with your dick.
>>69038142
Just having a giggle mate
>>69038280
Except Christians aren't good people and use their religion as a coping mechanism because they're really giant vaginas scared of life
>>69038362
Implying it's a non-fiction story lmao
>>69038542
How the fuck can someone let their self reach that low of a low?
>>69038037
2016-33 years ago
>>69038864
Evil is the absence of good just as cold is the absence of heat this argument has been made a dozen times u can predict how this will turn out
>>69038864
>God=nature
Nope. If He is God, He isn't limited by laws of nature, He is above them.
>>69038037
>simplifying an infinitely complex concept to the few points that make it sound the most ridiculous to avoid actually thinking, and then pretending that your ideals and perceptions are dogmatic when in reality your limited comprehension and experiences in life are literally so innumerably small in comparison to the vastness of reality outside your limited human perception that what you deem ridiculous or impossible holds no weight when you realize you're absolutely nothing and refuse to grow as a person and accept that not everything is how it appears at face value
kid
>>69039140
oh ok, then.
>>69038037
>>69038037
You stupid ignorant, it was 1983 years ago.
>>69038037
Explain why the Apostles would die for their own lie?
Watch:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=A0iDNLxmWVM
and first 30 minutes of this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tyVdnIU9A
>mfw when a 1 hour old newborn tells me anything through speech with proper grammar.
>>69038142
It does... because I read this OP as:
>there is a butthurt faggot on this board RIGHT NOW, who unironically believes his indignation a the Christian faith is justified...due to the fact he's still mad at his parents for making him go to Church on Sunday instead of doing what he wanted to do... which was play video games and masturbate to drawings of animated grade school girls from Japan.
He's still REAL MAD about that.
But it's ok... he'll show us all... one day.
>>69039253
Reply to my question. >>69038835
>>69038869
>rhetoric and ad-hominems
noice
>>69038037
funniest part about these threads is that there are actual american posters who get triggered
>>69038037
for better or for worse premarital sex destroys people
>>69038280
Yeah because we can't shit on both religions at the same time. Retard.
>>69038869
>Except Christians aren't good people and use their religion as a coping mechanism because they're really giant vaginas scared of life
Christianity keeps shitty people in check. Islam encourages shitty people to be even shittier.
>>69039518
I mean I'm all for christian values and whatnot, but you can't seriously believe in an actual god as an adult and expect other people to treat you and your opinions on other matters seriously.
>>69039190
>an infinitely complex concept
Ok then show me proof and I won't dismiss it
christianity is just a bastardization of the scriptures of Joshua after it mixed with european Traditional religion ie Thor worship.
>>69039789
>Islam and Christianity are deservising of equal criticism
????
Jesus wasn't a real person, or at least not a real physical flesh/blood human but more of an emissary of the fungus kingdom which are actually a extraterrestrial race that is offering our species a chance at survival by merging with them and becoming part of their heavenly family.
The other option is eternal damnation by submitting to the beast/basilisk which is the AI machine consciousness that is slowly creeping into our everyday lives, consuming our very souls and turning us into robots like themselves.
>>69039519
My answer is that I have no idea. I don't claim knowledge, because I'm not an arrogant retard. God could be literally anything or nothing for all we know. As of right now, no sufficient evidence exists to conclusively say "(x) is god".
With that said, basic scientific knowledge and common sense tell me that "correct" answer is almost definitely not the christian story.
>>69039933
you need to actually visualize and understand what you're asking proof for, and then humble yourself to the point that you realize your capabilities of understanding are not strong enough to comprehend everything. once you realize that, then get back to me about proof. it's like trying to explain colors to a blind person. you can explain to him that they exist and why they do, but he will never have 100% reason to believe it. however, he will accept it. now don't take that too literally, autists tend to do that.
people on this board are turning into zombies and asking people not to have premarital sex...
>>69038835
The simple answer is: WE DON'T KNOW. Religion is a false answer in the face of no answer.
>>69039518
Mad? Nah but I guess I am a little disappointed I had to go to church when I was a kid. What a waste of time.
>>69038835
it's okay to accept that you don't know a definite answer to everything
>>69040166
You unintentionally TL;DR'd my post >>69040132
for me. Thanks.
>>69038869
Look at this fedora wearing faggot. You think you've conquered life and experienced true enlightenment because you think there is no god, and that some how makes you better than other people?
>>69038037
/pol/ is Christian board, you will burn at the stake for heresy
>>69040132
>ask for proof
>doesn't give proof
So much for that argument
>>69040128
So you call us idiots for having faith in God, while at the same time you offer no sensible alternative.
If you were really as rational as you claim, you would be agnostic, not atheist.
>>69038037
>There are people on this board right now who unironically believe their biggest problem is the world's religions when they're currently sitting on their computer masturbating to anime browsing 4chan.
>>69040343
>something humans will NEVER fully understand can be just, like, studied in a lab guyz xD
k
>>69040339
Thanks for being so christian and tolerant. I keep hearing about all these "christian values", but all I keep seeing them do is condemn people not in their in-group.
>>69040537
Go fuck your servants nigget
Muh Sky Fairy and his son the Zombie
Bother them enough and they grant magic wishes
Muh apocryphal books rejected because they scary to single old white men.
>>69040567
>but all I keep seeing them do is condemn people not in their in-group.
name a group in any context that doesn't do that?
>>69038037
>2016 years ago
>>69040655
Not an argument
>>69040324
I never said I don't believe there is a God, I just dont believe in the hocus pocus fairytale bullshit which is Christianity. If there is a higher power it's probably something no human can even imagine considering no one on earth has ever met it.
>>69040717
Dude lets both go to /r/atheism xDD narwhal bacon xD *tip* *tip* M'lady
>>69040801
And "k" is?
>>69038037
dont worry OP. God is laughing at you as your demographics implode
>>69038037
>>Jesus turned into a zombie
Zombies suffer from massive decomposition.
Massive decomposition doesn't start until 8-10 days after death
Jesus rose in three days.
Three days his body would be barely pale not noticeable.
>>69038037
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
This is why.
>>69040034
You misunderstood me, nigger. I'm not saying they deserve equal criticism. I'm saying it's not impossible ot criticise both
>>69040343
since this is a serious subject and we're anonymous, i want you to first drop the concept of arguing. when you "win" an argument you get a dopamine spike, so naturally you'll do what you can to dismiss anything the opposition says that holds any value.
okay, now listen to this. you can not give proof of something that is outside of your ability to comprehend. you can not give proof to a rock that you enjoy slapping titties.
understand? Now tell me this. If you can't give proof to this rock that you enjoy slapping titties, does that mean that the titty slapping never happens? of course not. the titties will still be slapped.
now take that example, and scale it up by infinity. God is an entity responsible for the existence of reality itself, along with all rules that govern it. Since God created this reality, and is above it (not affected by its rules), it's safe to say we aren't guaranteed to percieve or understand him fully, since we don't have unlimited brain power.
firstly, ignore religion, before that you must understand God himself. Do you realize what I mean by all that?
Language is limited in and of itself, but we still have the ability to think with higher demand than what language allows us to convey, so it isn't difficult to help someone understand this using words. All I can do is provoke you to think about it yourself with all bias removed, and humility a top concern.
There is a reason autists, retards and children have a hard time actually understanding the concept of God. Clearly, it's because they are not as good at spacial reasoning, among other thought processes, that allow us to accept God. You will forever be among the dirt and shit that is godless life, until you humble yourself and actually use your fucking brain.
Don't let the negative connotations you associate an idea with upon first hearing of it dictate it forever.
I will bet $500 that you're just going to say "no proof hur i win". use what I said for what you will.
>>69039518
Yeah, I used to think that way my self and was led astray, but overwhelming evidence points to god is real, the devil sure as shit is and you can see him working in this world everywhere if you look. Am I a perfect christian by no means. We all will be judged and that's ok.
>>69041273
This freedom loving bastard though
>>69040339
>>Burn at the stake for heresy
No christian says that.
Troll
*Tips Fedora*
>>69038037
These 5 points are accepted by virtually all New Testament scholars, even agnostics and atheist scholars.
1. Jesus died on the cross.
2. The apostles believed (key word) that they saw the risen Jesus.
3. James who doubted Jesus's divinity was radically changed after his death.
4. Paul who persecuted Christians accepted Christ after he claimed to receive a vision.
5. The grave where Christ was buried was found empty.
Based on these 5 facts, try to present an argument better than the resurrection.
Note that Jesus appeared to groups of people and mass hallucinations don't happen. Visions in hallucinations are also very rare.
Note that Jesus could not have survived the crucifixion and even if he did, the apostles would have seen a heavily disfigured Jesus instead of the glorified one they claimed to have saw.
Note that there were no advantages to being a Christian at that time.
Note that few people would die for what they know to be false.
Note that they couldn't have stolen the body out of a grave gaurded by the Romans. This idea doesn't explain the resurrection visions either.
>>69038280
Fuck both ! Religions are cancer anyway . My fucking gov couldn t do many things because of the vatican
>>69041273
Like I said i am completely open minded about the existence of a God, there's not enough proof to say it does/doesn't exist. I just don't believe in any of the hundreds of religions created by humans here on earth.
>>69041035
I can only give as good as I get friendo
>>69038037
>Premarital sex can only be wrong on the basis of Christian morality
sad desu, read some more k! :)
>>69041725
this tells me you either didn't read what I said or you just didn't understand it.
I said ignore religion first and foremost. secondly, your dogmatic idea that proof is the end-all-be-all of the existence of something is something you need to let go of for a minute.
before you begin thinking about religions, you need to be sure of your stance on god.
if you want to ignore that advice and just skip straight to religion, http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW if you're actually curious. until you've studied scholarly levels of religious text, principles and ideas, you shouldn't immediately blow it all off, because it's clearly a large concept that requires a lot of dedication to come to a final conclusion about.
>>69041273
Or perhaps this "God is beyond our full comprehension" is just some bullshit religious people came up with to avoid having to actually provide proof for the nonsense they say
>>69042105
why would you think that? answer me this:
1. do you accept that there is a possibility for things to be outside of our perception?
2. do you think we can comprehend everything that is outside of our perception?
the answers are obvious. very, very obvious.
>>69041701
*tips
>>69042299
I can use that argument to validate anything that I believe exist outside human comprehension, then.
i'm all for there being a god, but the christian god is just a mess. it's said that he sees and knows all. and knows exactly how everything is going to happen, cuz he's god - but it's obvious that he can't even control his own creations. "fuck! i fucked up! my all powerful and all knowing self made this whole wrong! i better make a massive fucking flood instead of just making it right the first time!"
and don't say "but muh free will" cuz to god there isn't really any free will - you do what he says in his book or you go to hell. not much free will there.
>>69042616
so first off you admit that "God is beyond our full comprehension" is not "just some bullshit", great. but that isn't a reason to believe God exists, it's a reason to believe it's possible for god to exist, therefore refuting what you just said.
>>69038037
>>69038037
Yep. I most certainly do. Not because i initially wanted to , but because i found out its the real deal. He really is the Messiah.
>>69042018
These religious principles you talk about have been created by other basic humans. Sorry you don't like the idea of providing proof but if I'm going to worship my entire life's existence on a specific concept I want to make sure there's more to it then just stories written thousands of years ago.
You can still live a meaningful spiritual life without identifying to an organized religion you know.
>>69042784
you have a misunderstanding about what free will is. your entire point falls apart when you say "to god there isn't free will, you do what he says or you go to hell." the free will is the fact that we can choose whether or not to do what he says.
he "knows exactly how everything is going to happen" because he exists in a state outside of time, therefore it's not a linear dynamic concept to him.
>>69042903
Why do you believe that?
>>69042927
according to the religious principles themselves, they are not created by "other basic humans".
I personally don't fully identify with Christianity. I just fully believe that God exists and that the morality layed out by Christianity is probably perfect.
>>69041725
Christianity is different from pretty much every other religion out there. Other religions have heaven and hell, or similair, and where you go in your afterlife is decided by how good you are as a person, how many good deeds and works you do. Christianity is different, because all you need to do to be saved from hell is to believe in Christ, saved by grace through faith.
Anyways this is what the bible says about the worlds reasoning:
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1/2
>>69042942
>the free will is the fact that we can choose whether or not to do what he says
but if he's all powerful, why doesn't he just make us unable to choose the wrong path? he loves us and wants us to be good, so why does he even make us capable of damning ourselves? does he really want to see his own creation suffer for eternity - pretty fucked up if u ask me...
>he "knows exactly how everything is going to happen" because he exists in a state outside of time, therefore it's not a linear dynamic concept to him.
so why does he have a habit of changing his mind? why doesn't he just make things right the first time?
>>69043232
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
2/3
>>69040166
Lying sack of shit. Then why do you believe in evolution? Evolution tries to answer that question too.
>>69043282
>why does he x
we don't know and we can't know. that's just a basic fact. perhaps it's because there is a natural balance between love and hatred, good and evil, etc; and one cannot exist without the other.
>habit of changing his mind
please explain.
>>69043400
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
....
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;
22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;
23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
3/3
>>69042795
Where did I admit that? Plus, I stand by what I said, that thought opens up the possibility for God as much as it opens the possibility for te existence of anything I can imagine exists "outside our full comprehension". Thus, it's a fragile belief.
>>69038037
>Everyone abandoned him before his death
>empty tomb
>eyewitness accounts
>the church surges after the resurrection that "didn't happen"
If he really died, why do Christians exist
>tfw atheist that will be raising his children as christians
Stay mad fedora fags. Christianity is the superior religion, kikes and mudshits can get fucked
>>69043665
you admitted that because you couldn't come to your conclusion without first accepting that that there exists things that are outside of our comprehension.
okay you keep saying that because it also opens up the possibility for anything to exist outside of comprehension, that it is a fragile belief. That's wrong. It certainly does open up that possibility. That's just the nature of the word possibility. Of course it's possible, but what would make you lean toward it existing? its possibility alone isn't enough.
>>69038037
That's not the point of his life at all but okay..
>>69044101
How is Christianity in bongerland? I hear it's dying?
>>69043948
And what makes you believe that God exists besides the possibility of him being something beyond our comprehension?
>>69044476
Have you heard of the book Case of God?
Atheist has a Christian fiancee, starts doing research to disprove it, ends up becoming Christian himself?
>>69043584
>we don't know and we can't know. that's just a basic fact. perhaps it's because there is a natural balance between love and hatred, good and evil, etc; and one cannot exist without the other
so he created a world that needs just as much suffering as there is peace. so strange. doesn't sound like a benevolent being to me. sounds like he's not all powerful if he can't control his world.
>please explain.
plenty of examples in genesis,
talking snake - an all powerful being made a talking fucking snake to trick his own people? an all powerful being should be able to stop that, but instead he wanted to damn his own creation. strange.
tower of babel. god gives humans ability to work together and speak the same language etc. oh fuck they're doing bad shit! better stop it! i messed up!
the great flood - aside from a great flood being a reference of many other religious texts before the bible, this one is also incredibly strange. i am god! i made these good people! oh shit! i didn't make them good! i fucked up! i thought i knew everything? why didn't i just make them right the first time? welp, better flood the earth and kill millions of lives - not to mention plenty of innocent humans. what a nice guy he is
>>69044476
not gona lie i dont feel like typing all that out right now.
also it's not "the possibility of him being outside our comprehension." it's set in stone that he is outside our comprehension, the effect that has is that its possible he exists.
>>69039518
They're useful idiots working hard against European faith, culture, and community.
Curious. What happened to Jesus after he came back to life?
Did he turn immortal or something?
Did he go to a local 7-11 to buy a pack of beer and cigarettes?
Is that why we don't see him around anymore?
>>69044650
your ideas of what is right/wrong or powerful/nonpowerful are sculpted by your limited experiences here on his very creation. maybe what you think are right and wrong or a good/bad idea are not what he does, and since he's God, you're not right. if God created a world where all of existence was the purest form of torment and suffering, as long as that is the only world that exists, it would be perfect because there is no alternative, competition, or standard.
>>69044892
I think he spoke to some of his disciples.
>>69038434
J isnt G, read the source material.
>>69044632
I'm sure it happens the other way around too.
>>69038037
>just to tell strangers not to have premarital sex
you are so woefully ill-informed that it's shocking. this can't even be excused as some angsty teen's attempt at humor, as it's not even remotely humorous.
God put on human flesh to condescend to us and accomplish on our behalf that which we could never ourselves do: keep God's moral Law, flawlessly. if there is a God - and there is - He is Perfectly Just, and we could never be "good enough" for Him based on our own merits. but He Loves us, and so He made a way. He came down and lived perfectly for those who couldn't, and suffered in His body that which WE deserved, so that He could credit to us HIS Righteousness, and take upon Himself the penalty for OUR sin.
and all you need do is put your faith in Him.
i don't even know where you came up with premarital sex; it was never really a topic He spoke that much of.
>>69044905
of course it is. everything that i know has come from what i experience in my lifetime on this earth - it makes no sense to think otherwise.
>>69045316
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 10:30 - I and [my] Father are one.
Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
>>69038037
It's my understanding that his followers poisoned him so that he wouldn't suffer up on the cross for long.
Jesus looked dead, so they took him down. As there were more people to be crucified.
Turns out he wasn't completely dead. Poison worked it's way out of his body. He gets up. People believe mystical shit because 2000 years ago people were dumb.
The end.
>>69045652
so why would you even attempt to pass judgement on the 'ideas' of God as if they detract from his existence or power?
>>69045812
Nice mental gymnastics you got there
>>69046309
Just trying to find reasoning that fits into reality.
This could happen. Nothing mystical magical or divine about it.
If we want to state that this indeed happened, this is the most logical way that it could.
>>69038037
>>there are people on this board right now who unironically believe some guy named Jesus turned into a zombie 2016 years ago just to tell strangers not to have premarital sex
Unfortunately mods are sleeping and don't delete Christfaggotry threads although such threads are completely not /pol/tier.
>>69041489
Based.
