If banning murder doesn't work why have murder laws?
>>69026990
Because conservatards are fucking stupid for thinking the state shouldn't control and dictate the people.
Like?
Hello?
Who will dictate what is right and wrong to do?
Don't give me religion, because skydaddies don't exist making it irrational.
Debate me, stormweenie lolbertarian drumpfettes.
>>69027243
oh look its this tripfag again.
still being a fag I see.
The only "laws" that should exist are the ones you personally make with other people.
>>69027300
Ew it's a righty. Back to stormfront, /pol/ is ours now.
>>69026990
Because there is no negative side effect to outlawing murder.
Negative side effects from outlawing guns outweigh any positive benefits.
Because 'muh christianity', it used to be legal in Norway. But as soon as we got the first Christian King (Håkon 'den gode' Haraldsson) he made it illegal.
The problem is Christian slave morality where moral behaviour is determined by how you act towards others, instead of pagan master morality where good behaviour is that which benefits yourself. Those actions which makes you stronger, richer, more powerful (gives you a better status, like killing someone known to be strong). But now that atheism has removed Christianity we can remove Christian morality and go back to original European morality.
If we only could stop Muslims
>>69027243
I agree with you.
>>69026990
Go be fat somewhere else
>>69026990
If OP doesn't succeed in life, why does he keep living?
>>69027302
Wow, dude. You totally missed the point of my original post?
Who will enforce these laws?
See: pic related.
>>69027479
Except there is?
Dude, killing somebody and allowing the tools to kill somebody is wrong. Let the people alive live. You're enabling killers if you allow guns. And again, who will enforce interpersonal law? Fucking lolbertarian.
>>69027613
You're both true and false. Humans are peaceful and altruistic by nature, so removing warmongering religion will just make us peaceful once again.
I'm saying it's religion that's the problem, not the state. Until we rid the world of religion, we need tight laws for guns and murdering.- perhaps even afterwards, actually, because some nut will probably still try to preserve religion.
>>69027768
Good to see some sane people on /pol/.
>>69027809
Not an argument, righty.
>>69027963
How about you go back to fucking your sister, Cletus?
>>69028592
oh fuck the tabs, shit.
This is my own fault.
>>69028592
>see pic related
>you're a cuck
epic
>>69028772
>>69028592
;^)
>>69028592
>tripfag
>such impotent banter
why don't you go fail somewhere else?
Banning anything doesnt work. We have "murder laws" to punish the degenerates who commit them, not to prevent them.
>>69027243
>tripfag
>>69028934
>>69028969
>>69029026
Wow, great responses. You sure showed me, right?
Grow up, some people have personal choices.
Now refute my points or you lose.
>>69027243
here's an additional reply
>>69029124
I know right? Having an identity, fuck me, right?
Oh cry me a river, kid.
>>69029104
We ban murder and that works.
???
>arguing with a tripfag
>>69026990
So we can punish people that do it and prevent them from doing it again.
>>69026990
The purpose is to take those who murder out of the population, not influence the population not to murder.
This is not comparable to laws without victims designed to social engineer the population through threats.
>>69029272
you're just crying for attention with that tripcode though.
>mfw i took the bait
>>69029272
>We ban murder and that works.
it does?
To keep them from hurting other people dipshit.
>>69026990
his nostrils are almost completely closed.
I bet he has trouble breathing.
>>69029104
Laws and their punishments are deterrents. They always have been.
>>69029378
You can already do that - the law doesn't change physical reality.
>>69029581
The law is implicit permission for force by the government, nothing else.
>>69029310
Ha ha real funny, friendo.
Nice epic reddit maymay :^)
Ha ha yeah.
>>69029377
So why not punish people for owning weapons that can kill, huh?
Conservatard logic.
>>69029378
Then why not use the laws to take out those with danger arms?
Another fucktard righty.
>>69029414
Oh look, le bait maymay, ebin, m8.
>>69029439
It's not perfect, but if it's enforced, we definitely see that it stops murders. It's just we need to enforce it more. Same goes for guns.
>>69029468
And guns hurt other people
???
>>69029508
Yes, then same should apply to weapons and arms.
>>69029732
You don't need "permission" to do anything within your capabilities to accomplish.
>>69029897
Except you do, humans always find a way to fuck up, so they need to be regulated. It's simple.
Religion worked as a surrogate for that, and the government is that.
>>69029797
>Then why not use the laws to take out those with danger arms?
Because buying a gun victimizes no one.
>>69029897
Yes our government requires permission to use force against it's citizenry, that's the whole point of the constitution.
>>69030022
No, as a matter of physical fact you don't. If you want to murder someone you can go attempt to do so. If you want to save someone's life by administering medical treatment, you can attempt to do so. None of these things require permission as a physical *fact*.
>>69030055
No it doesn't. Government uses force without "permission" every single day *necessarily*. I don't give anyone permission to steal from my family, but government does it anyway.
>>69030055
Except, you forget, it makes many people uncomfortable. Several studies have found that people uncomfortable with with others owning arms, eventually succumb to owning arms themselves in a mass hysteria. Eventually, the hysteria could reach somebody with mental illness, and then a big mess happens. You know this.
>>69030226
Well no shit, I'm stating that that nobody should have permission to kill anybody ever. That's essentially the basis of the laws against murder. I'm arguing that the same should apply to weapons, righty.
>>69030475
No, *you don't need permission as a PHYSICAL FACT*. You can do *WHATEVER YOU WANT* - the only limiting factors are whether you can actually manage to do so. "Permission" factors in *nowhere*.
>>69030475
>it makes many people uncomfortable
No one cares if you're uncomfortable princess.
>>69027243
>Who will dictate what is right and wrong to do?
Yourself
Welcome to personal responsibility, faggot.
>>69029146
You are a cuck, and thus, your opinion is worthless.
Now go prep Tyrone
>>69027243
Having fun m8? :^)
>>69030635
Well, then people shouldn't be allowed to, just plain and simple. They need to be uneducated about concepts like murder.
>>69030681
In a person's life, people react more to emotion than information. I'm sorry bust your bubble manly man heart-of-stone.
>>69030717
Except, as seen, people can't do that right. We need a central power to dictate that to make sure that slip-ups are kept to a minimum.
>>69028592
>See pic
>Cuckolding
>/leftypol/
Holy fuck you are the omega faggot, get out.
>>69026990
Laws prevent nothing, faggot.
Laws merely give a society a means to deal with an act that it does not accept.
Philosophy 101, retard.
>>69030892
>le ebin cuck maymay
Ha ha, so funny, yes the epitome of hilarity. much bumped up my dear friendo
>>69031002
Ha ha such funny memes ha. yes disregarding people on preferences is funny, ha.
>>69030957
You can pretend "people aren't allowed to do x" - whatever x is. That won't change the *FACT* that they can whether you want them to or not. I can write on paper "Abdul shall not rape goats" all over the face of the earth - it won't stop Abdul from raping goats. Laws do *nothing*.
>>69030717
I decide I need to kill you, I think it's right.
>>69027243
>Who will dictate what is right and wrong to do?
the principle of self ownership
>>69031115
Then use the same methods religions use to indoctrinate. Maybe even, because we're becoming more advanced in science, reprogram the mind to never think of murder ever. Simple.
>>69031108
The government SHOULD prevent more is how it should be
>>69031199
and the multitude of people who think it is his right to defend himself will not bat an eye when your brains are on the floor
>sheathes katana
Wow, you /pol/tards are impossible to talk to. It's like you're all void of critical thinking and basic logic.
I guess that's what being right-wing does to the brain.
Well, it was fun messing with you retards. see ya ;)
>>69027243
Have a (You) you fucking mongoloid
>>69031332
>unironically advocating tyranny, collectivism, and deception
Yeah, you really are a lefty.
>>69031332
>reprogram the mind to never think of murder ever
so those people saying you aren't a reptilian, were not joking
>>69028592
>those bait tabs
Stop trying so hard m80
>>69026990
>If banning murder doesn't work
where are the proofs?
>>69031332
And how do you imagine that any Govt ever could?
If you are actually going to murder someone, nothing is going to stop you short of being kept in a cage from birth.
Just admit that you are a slave in search of a master and kill yourself.
>>69031839
Has murder stopped being capable of occurring bruh?
>>69031591
The Left has officially become Borg.
>>69032123
They've been Borg for a long time.
>>69026990
Because laws are to be used to determine punishment when someone violates the rights of another.
Laws aren't meant to be preemptive punishment
>>69031468
>I have to go. Jamal isn't going to prep himself!
>>69032106
That's not what laws do.
>>69032498
Obviously, since laws don't do anything at all except perhaps exist.
>>69026990
Laws don't prevent crime.
They merely gives a means to punish criminals after the crimes have been committed.
>>69031110
>>69031468
now he's running away, sad!
>>69029797
Why do you think people murdered more before banning murder?
>>69031199
And I have a few pieces of metal that would disagree with you.
>>69033202
So you have no moral objection to him murdering you so long as he can manage it. Quaint.
