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Sargon just BTFO'd all the alt right fags
Just look at all the salt in the comments
These Alt-right fags know that they'll never be taken seriously in real life
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>>69020134
Sargon, stop using that proxy and get back in the cuckshed.
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oh no /pol/ (who is suddenly alt right) has been absolutely BTFO by an eceleb who makes fun of retards! signal the beacon! warn the heralds! it is the end times!
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>>69020134
>an """""honest look"""""

Stop right there Sargon of cuckold.
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>>69020134
Fuck off
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>>69020863
learn to use sage you incompetent fucking idiot.
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>"Honest look at the alt-right"
>It's not honest

BRAVO QUADROON OF MOSSAD
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>>69020134
>the alt right is just as bad as SJWs!!!
>See! the right is just as bad as the left, I swear!!
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He made this after he got destroyed in a debate with ManletWoes. Fuck off back to mocking SJWs Sarcuck of Blackdad.
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>>69020134
just so you undertand he's literally a fat neckbeard
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>>69020134
>Posting Sargon of Blackdad
Saged
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Jewgon of Mossad wins again

/pol/ BTFO

ALT RIGHT ON SUICIDE WATCH


HOW CAN RACIAL REALISTS EVEN COMPARE TO THE BASED 1/4 BLACK MAN
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apart from his usual harping on 'muh horseshoe theory, muh anyone with any convictions is the same' this video seemed pretty reasonable to me.
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Why can none of you fucking idiots use sage when replying to bait threads.

in options type sage and the thread won't be bumped.

Lets all try it now.
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>>69021088
The left and right aren't bad
But both extremes of the left and the right are bad
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>>69020134
>owned in every live stream
>neckbeard

nah
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>>69020134
>The alt-right has opinions!
>SJWs have opinions too!
>that means they're the same!
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>>69021388
>"Racial realists"
Except /pol/ denies basic biology
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>>69021699
>You're either against us or with us
Yes both extremes tend to be similar
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>>69020134
Sage
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>>69022037

>any parallels at all = exactly the same
>le enlightened serene fence sit
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>>69022037
>implying there is or can be a middleground with SJWs

You don't understand how these people work. You can't be "neutral" towards them. It's literally impossible
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>>69022233
>No opinions
>None
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>>69020134
I've never watched anything by this guy.
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>>69020134
he enjoys what the things he complains about has created and doesn't like the idea of it ever coming back, or rather what he wants is to LARP and think up a society of pure individuals that are hoity-toity brits, but not white though.
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>>69020134
The far right is just as wrong as the far left.
Centrism is the only sane position.
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/r/ing shitty ms paint picture mocking youtube "moderates."
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>>69020134
Sargon is a fictional character from Star Trek.

It's ok though, I wish star trek were real too
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>>69022782
Finally somebody actually understands
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>>69020134
I watched this. It's complete bullshit. It's like he takes all of the memes literally and that's that. He's fucking retarded and has punchable face.

Opinions discarded.
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>>69020134
Let's be fair now - the alt right is full of pseudo-science and degenerates spouting "muh heritage" memes.

The comparison between it and SJWs comes from the authoritarian approach to society, and that both wish to artificially engineer a world they want to live in rather than let people make their own choices with society heading on its course. SJWs believe we need to be more diverse and enforce that diversity through laws that support it. The alt-right believes we need to suppress this diversity with laws that discourage it or even uproot it.

Considering Sargon considers himself a "classical liberal" (although he is an absolute retard for using that term since nothing in his videos imply that he is for small, minimal government that does not get involved in the free market, he seems to be only liberal when it comes to social matters, which is no what classical liberalism is), I can understand why he would be against both the progressive left and alt-right.
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>>69021388
>1/4th Black
Proof needed
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>>69022782
So you have a centrists view of slavery?
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>>69023733
yes
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>>69023639
Eh his black grandpa was probably just a mulatto
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>>69020134
who ?
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>>69020134
I often his videos posted here.
Why is this guy relevant?
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>>69022037
>both extremes tend to be similar
No.
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>>69023867
Is there a video of him saying this?
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Don't violate /pol/'s safe space, OP.
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>>69024029
*see
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>>69020134
Who? Anyway,
> Alt-right "safe spaces"
Does he mean /pol/? Implying dissenting opinions are censored here? Because I disagree with people on here plenty, and don't get any more abuse than I do otherwise.
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this guy is a mutt whose fantasy is to "fuck white women" and "dilute the white race"
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Do most of you that consider yourself alt-right also consider yourself white nationalist? Do you think it is achievable and how? I think nation comes first before race. I don't mind if you're white, Hispanic or black if you love this country.
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>>69024029
I also his videos sometimes
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>Sargoy of Cuckaad
let me introduce you to a super secret board that's a favourite of mine.
>>>/trash/
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>>69020134
>Sargon of Akkad

based on that name he sounds like one of those WE WUZ types
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>>69024403
he's a moderate leftist, which means he is almost sane some times.
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>>69020134

>I can't argue against any actual alt-right points, but here's this lovely strawman to hack apart
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>>69024165
You seriously don't see people on this very thread dismissing opposing views (Sargon's) out of hand with ad hominems and memes?

That is exactly how any safe space works; not through official censorship but a more subtle and democratic kind.
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>>69024885

>hiding from people so they can't challenge you is the same as telling them to fuck off if they're being silly

I think there's a pretty yuuge difference in attitude there
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>>69024885
They are dismissed because they are wrong. He gets shit on because he persists with his nonsense.
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>>69024029
He's basically /pol/, but refuses to take the last step to hate the Jews. He's anti-Islam, anti-feminist, anti-SJW, anti-academia, and is a huge history buff.
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>>69020555
>fathered his own kid
>in [current year]
>cuck
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all of my youtube comments on this video have MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARED.
Now now sargon! I know i'm a MASSIVE FAGGOT from 4chan but there's no need to NO PLATFORM me is there?
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or maybe they're just buried under the massive tide of muppets....still, he won't debate me.
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>>69025077
the irony that we are just like SJW while he acts the moral superior to both falls flat on his faggot supporters it's why they cry out "safe space" when they get told to fuck off with their hypocrisy there is no reasoning with someone who is convinced they are your moral superior.

Also use sage for this thread the cuck relies on click baiting.
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>>69022037
Being neutral works most of the time but it's really had to find a middleground with SJWs, just like what he said >>69022410
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>>69024885
>dismissing opposing views with memes
Being told to fuck of is the standard here, whatever you have to say. Particularly if you want to say it through a half hour video. As is being told your a faggot. None of which amounts to an accusation of anything beyond "you aren't worth listening to".
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>>69025077
/pol/ is basically a refuge for the alt right where they can hide and tell people to fuck off. It's like any safe space where people find refuge in to tell others to fuck off "if they're being silly".

It's the same attitude, just the left is more explicit and whiny about their "safe spaces" than the right is with their online ones.
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>>69025949
But /pol/ isn't, by definition, a safe space.
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Was there anything particularly wrong or demeaning about what he said? Video seemed pretty un-confrontational bar the usual snide remarks he does in every video.
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>>69025949
/pol/ isn't here to stroke your fucking ego if you don't like piss off to some normie site where no one will insult you.
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>>69025949
/pol/ is a place to post politically incorrect opinions. It's right there at the top of the page.
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>>69022782
>>69023579
Fallacy of the golden mean. Provide conclusive evidence centrism is always more sane than far left and far right positions.
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>>69025949
>/pol/ is a safe space
How?
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>>69025949
your opinions are not safe from criticism on /pol/
this isn't like Sargons Youtube comment section
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>>69026223
>Was there anything particularly wrong or demeaning about what he said?
I dont think so
He had a 4 hour talk with millenialwoes prior to this video and if you listen to it its no wonder sargon would compare alt-right to sjws. Everything millenialwoes argued was either anecdotal, projection or saying "i have no proof but". It was fucking sad on MWs part
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>>69025160

Are you kidding? He's a huge cuck and apologist for Islam. The guy is a low-IQ wannabe intellectual that picks easy targets like SJWs and feminism but collapses completely into sophistry and name calling when challenged by people like Millennial Woes.
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>>69025949
uh we've always loved it when libtards post here because we can hit them with facts and data that have been omitted from their education due to pc

nothing better than triggering lefties with cold hard data

t. Factual Falcon
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>>69025445
Lol. Didnt he talk about how bad no platforming is in todays TWIS.
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So whens the faggot gonna deliver on his kickstarter game?

Constantly whining about feminists/sjw when he himself does nothing but bitch and whine himself
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>>69020134
>30 fucking minutes
Why can't these pompous shits just write an essay instead so I can avoid spending more than a few minutes exposed to their drivel.
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>>69020134
Sargon>>dogs>>>>/pol/
/pol/ BTFO
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>>69024885
Look at that videos comments section
>lol stormfags btfo
>muh reverse sjw
>haha alt right btfo

There is no place anywhere in the world where people are constantly rationally debating those they disagree with. There is always a degree of dismissal, including in Sargons own fanbase. they are either hypocrites or lack self awareness
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>>69020134
> /pol/ BTFO bait post
No Sargon, I'm not going to help support your channel by giving you views. FUck off.

sage and hide
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>>69026771
What are you talking about, that was Sargon, he basically denied DNA and statistics
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>>69027283
Because they are beating around the bush ignoring hard facts so they talk and talk and talk until it seems like they are smart and know what they are talking about
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>>69020134
>alt right
That's not a thing
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>>69025949
> /pol/ is basically something that /pol/ hates
> /pol/ is basically manbaby virgin loser cuck cumskins
> /pol/ is just all a bunch of totally
> /pol/ is
>/pol/
/pol/ is now predominantly faggots who feel awesome for preditable shitposts like these

keep sageing
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>>69027346
>he basically denied DNA and statistics
Ive seen him do that on twitter as well when it came to the Paki rape gangs and the fact that they are highly inbred (including the ones in the UK) as a people and that this obviously leads to a decrease in IQ

he denies it and called the people involved something among the lines of stormfronter

he did it to that youtuber who blew his ass out of the water as well. no addressing of facts just whining

reason for that probably is that hes a mixed shitskin himself and supports the notion that white people fucked other over
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>>69020134
>"le alt-right"

That shit don't exist, who the fuck is this fat fuck talking abput.
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>>69020134

>alt right

This is a lefty meme.

It's comprised of libertarians, monarchists, fascists, conservatives, disgruntled and disenfrenchised lefties and pretty much everything else.
It's a label that makes no sense other than to dismiss people as outside your narrative and therefore bad.

Resist it, deny them this easy win.
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>>69025949
>safe space
>literally get shat on in every single fucking post
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>>69027728
>leftists denying science
Gee, imagine that.
>GMO safety
>data indicating climate models have failed
>evidence from non-social sciences that ecotypes exist at the morphological and genetic levels
>psychometric data indicating that IQ is heavily heritable
>sexual dimorphism... or does he accept this one?
>non-social-creationist definitions of gender as biologically, not socially, constructed
>aacepting one of the items on this list, but not the others because they have troubling implications
The list is getting uncomfortably long now. He's living in an ideology bubble. People didn't notice because he seemed to be against militant progressives, so they assumed he was their philosophical antithesis. Like all the namefags from that gay ass gamer movement, he was using it to build a following.

Listen and believe, faggots.

saged again
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>>69028099
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>>69028307
>like all the namefags from that gay ass gamer movement, he was using it to build a following.

The fun thing is i remember him being the most in denial about everything only later latching onto it
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if sageing doesn't work, i'm going to start to think all these youtube namefags are paying for promotion on this site
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>>69028488
>im being the most in denial about everything only later latching onto it
I remember when that shit first started, me and some m8s sent him everything we had scraped from the DIGRA website. Then we realized the whole thing was going nowhere fast, and then suddenly, out he comes with all this tinfoil tier shit on DIGRA, totally distorted and blown out of proportion. He didn't have the faintest clue what marxism was, or cultural marxism, or how to distinguish between progressives or any of the different sub-ideologies. And he refused to listen, talking to us like we were idiots, only to turn 180 and just use everything we sent him.

Obvious fucking opportunist, obvious fucking faggot
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>>69027906

It's just a term to put people under to control dissenting thought with E-Z labels.
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>>69020785
where was he wrong exactly?
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>>69020134
Is he still buttblasted at being called a cuck?
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>>69028505
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>>69026178
Depends on how you define safe I suppose. If everything always goes the way you expect it to go and you're not here against your will then you are in a "safe space". Safe doesn't mean nice, it means acceptable i.e. you are willing to accept the conditions as given.

A depressive lying in bed or sunk into WoW is in a "safe space". A doomsdayer locked in his house is in a safe space. A stormfag on /pol/ is in a safe space.
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>>69028307
>GMO safety
>believing this
>believing any of the talmudic bullshit science rather than simply trusting your perception based in the inherent human relationship to nature, it's law and objective and phenomenal reality
Good goy
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>>69028791
did you use sage? did you even read this thread? cancerous 2nd world faggot. >>69025604
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>>69020134
>>69021462
>>69021765
>>69022037
>>69023579
You're not doing a very good job of hiding the fact that you're just copying Sargon's arguments. And just for the record, he has a pretty bad reputation of being a fence-sitting centrist who thinks all positions are bad simply because they are positions. If somebody brings this up they are 100% taking the piss out of you.
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>>69028989
Was about to post this, exactly why his opinion needs to be put in the >>>/trash/
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>>69028989
>i'm not racist and therefore i can be a hypocrite!

thanks, saving this for his next shill thread
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>"Alt-right vs SJW is like Facists vs Communists in the 20th Century, History is repeating this self. There will be dark Day ahead."

I think he got a point there and i was thinking the same months ago.
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>that 20 seconds of silence after he says "Jews"

did this creep anyone else out
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Sargon just absolutely destroyed /pol/...

Goddamn
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Both sides are driven by outrage and exaggeration. Mirror images within clickbait culture.
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>>69028989
I keep seeing this shit all over the place now regarding people bitching about "not all feminists" when a few months ago it was "not all [insert feminist target]", pretty cringe worthy still retarded independent of who you are.

I stopped watching thunderfoot aeons ago because all he did was preach, repeat himself, and sick followers on to people and masturbate himself over the fact that his videos had less dislikes than the people he whined about. was expecting sargon to do the same, so never followed him either, just watch one or two videos sent my direction (this happened to be one of them, which i didn't find him to be confrontational but seems like 90% of this thread disagrees).
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>YouTube intellectuals
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>>69025604
saged
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Sargon is just some YouTube do nothing.

You're probably better of getting your political opinions from Sunday night broadcast network cartoons.
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all this rektal ravaged butt tears proves him right

pol blown the fuck out
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>>69021170
>destroyed in debate

they were both arguing in circles. MW was mostly right but nobody got BTFO or anything.
Sargon did act like a child afterwards though
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>>69032447
It has less to do with this particular video and more about his whole interaction with the "alt-right". His reaction to this whole debacle has proven, to me at least, that he is just as bad as the SJWs he criticizes.
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>>69034057
Doesn't he have a biological son though?

Does that neutralize the cuckoldry I wonder?
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>>69020134
Millenial Woes really boils down to "I'd rather be with people that look like me than Non-Whites that agree with me".
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>>69034899
and that's bad because?
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>>69022037
>>69021699

All those logical fallacies.
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I don\t care about his fence sitting, but
>trying to build a phalanx in Warband with custom made spear units, when spears don't actually become physical objects capable of inflicting damage before using them for attack

that's when I became a #cruzmissile
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>>69029007
I said "by definition", not "by whatever the fuck you safe space to mean".
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>>69035900
you want safe space to mean*
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no he didn't, I'm actually a fan of him and this is one of his weakest videos, he just doesn't get the alt right
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>>69035061
Because that's primordial thinking that serves no real purpose to society.
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>>69035989
of course not, a big point of the alt right is race is culture. His black grandfather's ghost doesn't allow him to make some necessary leaps to understand because he's a mongrel at the end of the day.

>black people are on average shittier than white people or asians
>"b-but my grandfather was super british! he played chess and shit!"

If he makes the necessary jumps,then he might go through a serious identity crisis. Tons of halfbreeds do, there was a half native american on pol the other day crying his heart out because he felt rootless and hated basically half of his lineage.
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>>69036267
but I see a huge purpose in that. and such thinking does not come out of a vacuum.
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>>69034361
>be white
>take care of my wife's black son
>have white kid with her
>suddenly not a cuck
yeah that doesn't neutralize the cuck at all
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>>69033270
>people are saying he's wrong
>that means he must be right
Flawless reasoning
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>>69033834
>Sargon did act like a child afterwards though

this annoyed me more than anything in the stream itself

>spend four hours having an interesting and polite conversation with someone you at least pretend to respect, agreeing on most major points
>immediately run around afterwards crowing 'TOPJEJ I RUINED THAT FAGGOT AND HIS FAGGOT FRIENDS EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS FEARFUL BULLSHIT'

really showed Sargon's basic character for what it is
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>>69024029
Redditors like to post them to 'fit in'. /pol/ doesnt watch youtube shit commentary.
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>>69036516
>black step daughter

wew lad

I take back my question.
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>>69036529
getroffene Hunde bellen
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>>69034057
He's a jewtuber (not so bad) and 90% of his content is on the same topic (this is a bit bad) dissecting the same arguments constantly (even worse) and paying attention to people who clearly will not change their mind no matter how much time you spend on them (the worst). he was always going to be bad
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>>69020134
>/pol/ is alt right
>/pol/ isn't just playing all sides to cause chaos
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>>69020134
What is with Vee now becoming an SJW? His recent video complaining about the altright is fucking retarded.
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How many subscribers has this cuck lost from this? I haven't checked on him in ages.
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>/pol/ is part of the Alt-Right
>/pol/ ever working with a movement led by Jews

We might as well become feminists then.
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>>69037034
>/pol/ is just a meme
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>>69024029
see>>69036596
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Whats a "quadroon", /pol/?
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>>69036381
That question is irrelevant and misleading, all else equal, I would rather be with my own race as would anyone else. Obviously if the people of my own race are going to treat me like shit and the others won't I would go with the people who are not my race.

Also, the facts actually show that people of your own race will agree with you and treat you better, most of the time because of our innate preferences for people who share our DNA and our similar beliefs and culture because of the shared genetics.

Even if I am with another race simply because they won't treat me like shit, do I feel kinship with them or a sense of belonging and shared heritage, no.

Sargon is the one taking the extreme, which is that race plays no role whatsoever. The alt right is taking the "extreme" that race plays a role for white people also, not just everyone else, which is an extreme position. This is only an extreme because our society is so assbackwards politically correct.
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>>69020134
I can't take seriously anyone who considers "authoritarianism" to be a bad thing.
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alt-right is the Wehrmacht and the old right, without any want for compromise or need for rebranding, the Waffen-SS
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>>69037185
>bunch of bloggers and youtube talking heads pulling in 50 different directions
>led by

I'm not familiar with the chain of command yet, who do you mean?
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>>69021699
Except he explains the the alt-right are very fanatical about their views and they find things degenerate based on how they feel about it, like the SJW.
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>>69037409
>Sargon is the one taking the extreme, which is that race plays no role whatsoever.
that's what I call "leftist utopian thinking" and it's very prevalent in highly educated leftist. they project themselves on everyone else thinking that the liberal utopia is only a short distance away (enlightened society of mutual respect and tolerance) . that's why they dont accept bad things about muslims or whatever because it would mean that the desired utopia is in fact not achievable.
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>>69037895

Even he only says 'some people' have a tendency to be fanatical, come on now
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>>69038170
Well, yeah, he's right. I mean, he did get some things wrong, mainly because he's only debated ~10 members of the alt-right, but he's done pretty well.

As for what he did with millennialwoes - well, that was wrong.
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>>69037884

yeah, but then whites waste it on stupid edgy shit like worshipping Hitler and shoot themselves in the foot by trying to shill revionist history about how great nazis are instead of doing anything actually productive.

cuck right fucking sucks for anything other than a laugh
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>>69020134
What about this BTFOs anyone I'm confused?

I identify as alt right and I don't take issue with anything he said. It's a pretty accurate description of the 'movement' as a whole.
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>>69035309
True, those posts sum sargons fallacious reasoning up quite well
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>>69023630

"Pseudo-science"?

Explain yourself
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I don't get it. 90% of the video was just him describing what alt-right people believe in, hardly even putting up an argument against said beliefs.

Not an alt-right fag btw. I do think his points on the safe space and mob mentality are pretty accurate. One of the few subreddits I went to (/r/the_donald) was pretty good until it got popular and the mods started banning left-wingers for expressing their beliefs. Stopped going there because it just made me cringe. Not to mention alt-righteres on twitter do gang up on sub-500 follower accounts that spew SJW bullshit.
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>>69020134
How can people watch 30 minutes of a faggot talking?
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>>69040037
The video was literally just him trying to describe the alt-right. He got somethings wrong though, like the authoritarian aspect.
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>le btfo
this cuck has no idea what he's talking about
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>>69020134

Oh look another one of these threads. OP is either a redditor or from 8ch. Those are the two places that follow this shit.
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>>69041544
he has made a handy little guide for his liberal friends.
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>>69026502
I noticed none of these cucks answered your challenge.

Sargon of Cuckad and his cult of personality minions are weak minded fools that collapse at the slightlest provocation/challenge.

There's a reason he's considered beginner/pleb tier altright. He's a pseudo-intellectual that literally thrives in a self created safe space.

He, and they, only reply to the weakest arguments and challenges. The proof is this entire thread.
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>>69025171
His wife has a daughter from a previous relationship, mentioned it in a stream.
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>>69036516
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>>69041544
what is with this faggot and putting that bust everywhere? i guess it makes sense that he wouldn't want to use his real face, but seriously, the actual sargon is spinning in his mausoleum right now that his name has been appropriated by this fat cuck
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>>69043343
if he had half a brain, he'd go by his own name instead of continuing to use a moniker inspired by some ancient jew

there stopped being a point to it the moment he tied his net identity to his real one - now the name is more cringe than ever
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Im just watching his new this week in stupid and think he really lost his mind and turned ultra cuck.
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>something something faggot comic/video/tweet
>/pol/ BTFO
>give me slides/clicks

When will this JIDF shitposting "meme" finally become a banable offense?
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>>69036516
he is 1/4 black though so not sure if his kid even counts as white.
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>>69020134
One thing that Sargon does miss with his whole "Safe Space" thing is that in many cases people want a platform where they can discuss their politics and come up with ideas / solutions without being shouted down with shit arguments such as "Its err Racist and err Missogggynistic" while losing their job. In many cases people here are open to taking in other ideas and discussing a wide array of political platforms while getting shit on by eachother. Moderation for the most part does not go around deleting everything that the 'consensus' disagrees with. Unlike the Liberal Left which literally cuts all forms of discourse and polices every aspect of a dialogue from language, to context, etc.

At the same time Sargon specializes in saying a lot while saying nothing at all. Dragging people around in circles and using his false idealistic values as their own proof. Saying things like "This guys opinion isn't valuable because he's racist!!!" while also ignoring very basic scientific principles such as "DNA" - Something which he just actively ignores - like the feminists he so much hates. He is literally just the mirror opposite of the feminists and SJW's he challenges (see what I did here hurr durr).

It is easy to be a fence sitting centrist who is never able to take anything to an extreme. But to act like you are sophisticated and more intelligent then people because you never draw a line or choose an ideal to believe in doesn't give you any merit or value.
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I don't get it, why is he doing this?
He is pissing off a huge viewer demographic.

Plus, there are a bunch of mindless idiots who parrot this faggot. He could have seriously redpilled a significant amount of people but he's so fucking hung up on being a PURE LIBERAL.
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>>69046104
Because he is a coward. But mostly because he picks easy targets to go after in order to jack himself off about his own moral or so called intellectual superiority.

It is the same reason why hardcore atheists chase after Christians to prove to them that God doesn't exist. It is an easy platform for them to stroke their ego and intellect over which actually requires very little thought. Using this example as well - they will often look at the topic from a very shallow point of view. For example only viewing Religion from the basis of God as opposed to greater values that said religion might have.
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>>69046422
>mfw a bunch of impressionable GAMERGAYTE faggots will now be completely against the idea of preserving the white race

Fuck you sargon you cuckold. If you're going to disagree then just disagree. Things are only going to go backwards if you start to demonize racial realists.
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>>69021462
HURRR MUH MIDDLEGROUND :^)))))
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