Was he right, /pol/?
>>69017126
Yep. Two shitholes sacrificed for the good of mankind.
It's a tuffie. While I feel horrible for rosharch's death because he wanted to tell the truth,,,,wouldnt the truth have put us in even more turmoil....but shouldnt we the people have a right to know? Very tuff question
>>69017126
I doubt pol watched watchmen..
>that satisfaction when dr. Manhattan kills stupid rorschach
>>69017419
C'mon, man. It hurt. But I suppose the good of the people is more important than the truth
>>69017126
everyone who blows up New York is all right in my book
>>69017126
Nothing ever changes
>>69017510
yeah, its a stupid storyline. He could have just teleported rorschach to another planet similar to earth.
probably rorschach wanted to die and manhatten fullfilled his wish.
The egyptian guy basically prevented world wide nuclear annihalation by killing off most of new york so idk. It leads to the question....should we crack a few egfs to make that nice fluffy omlet
god the movie fucking sucked. Rosharchs death in the comic hit hard yet when it unfolded in the movie it had absolutely no emotional impact on me
>>69017691
Yeah. Rorschach was being a suicidal nigga
Ozymandias is going to be my first born sons name, Adrian was so fucking based in the movie. He even btfo'd a demigod(DR Manhattan).
Is there anyone more based than Ozymandias in the movie?
>>69017126
He delayed the apocalypse, he didnt prevent it.
>>69017698
Really? I read the comic after the movie..,but the movie scene is still very powerful
>>69017419
That was the saddest part of the movie by far but Dr. Manhattan was right.
>>69017803
True
>>69017782
>Ozymandias is going to be my first born sons name,
Thank god you won't have any.
>>69017698
it had on me, since I didn't read the comics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3716hI8lkE
>>69017698
Maybe because you already fucking expected it?
"He who lives to see two or three generations is like a man who sits some time in the conjurer’s booth at a fair, and witnesses the performance twice or thrice in succession. The tricks were meant to be seen only once; and when they are no longer a novelty and cease to deceive, their effect is gone." -Schopenhauer
>>69017960
Zozzle
Depends on whether you believe in free will or that mankind can't be allowed to make their own decisions.
The choice is clear to me. Ozy is the ultimate villain because he stole the most priceless thing any man has. The ability to choose
>tfw you will never be an Ozymandias
>>69018038
This
>>69018044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3dpghfRBHE
Breaking Bad was the first result so don't blame me, but kind of glad
>>69017782
Please don't name your kid Ozymandias.
>>69017782
>Ozymandias is going to be my first born sons name
I thought this as well until I grew up
>>69018038
Manhattan already said that he cannot change the future and will do what he will do despite knowing the future
so Free Will is non existent
>>69018038
>>69018189
>muh constitution
>>69017126
No, he never established himself as God-Emperor of Man even though he clearly has the divine right of rule.
>>69017254
>I feel horrible for rosharch's death
I have encountered feelings about Rorschach. He was a fanatic, candidate for the next extreme Right Wing leader. The world made him like that. But he was a nice guy after all. I'd drink with him.
>>69017698
Oh, come on...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJsgLAvLO10
ITT: impotent and weak by choice fatties.
>>69017850
>>69018005
>>69018362
The "NOOOOOOOOOO" absolutely kills it. So cliche.
>>69017850
i just didnt like his depiction in the film, they gave him this faggy batman edgelord voice and i just could not sympathize with him as well as i could with his comic book version
>>69018427
yeah the fact that nite owl was there to witness his death ruined it. Rosharch was supposed to die alone without anyone there to witness or care
>>69018338
Muh constitution? Having the ability to choose is bad? Is this bait? Has big brother really cucked you that badly?
>>69017126
quentin was always right
>>69018427
It was a good amount of no I thought. Not Darth Vader level.
>>69018444
Books are always better. I watched the movie first and then read the book. The character was good in the movie and great in the book
Note Owl's reaction to Rorschach's death hit me harder than Rorschach actually dying.
>>69018587
>post about quentin
>ID: Fux vg HQ k
seems about right
>>69018760
It was some good acting
This has been a nice thread, fellas. Need more like these.
>>69018563
>Having the ability to choose is bad?
Yes.
>>69017698
>Rosharchs death in the comic hit hard yet when it unfolded in the movie it had absolutely no emotional impact on me
That's called being an autist.
Actually, I think that Owl was somehow right:
>Adrian Veidt: Dan. A world united in peace... there had to be sacrifice.
>Dan Dreiberg: No! You haven't idealized mankind but you've... you've deformed it! You mutilated it. That's your legacy. That's the real practical joke.
>>69019093
well, one thing is sure. comics will never be as good as they once were
>>69019189
I mean choose in a direct democracy sort of way. Dont take it so seriously. Just because someone chooses differently than you doesnt mean that their views are bad
>>69017126
Until somebody presents a better solution, yes.
Rorshach was cool but he was out of his element when it came to saving the world. Muh freedoms.
>>69019579
I dont understand this type of mindset....freedom is the only thing we have to be human
>>69017126
Is this from a movie or something?
>>69019393
Black spoderman
>>69017126
its actually pretty sad. its like trying to tell us that even if we were superhuman we still dont have the power to end corruption or do whats right
>>69019723
Watchmen. Fantastic graphic novel turned into an ok movie....pretty good movie
>>69019684
nobody has absolute freedom. You cant do whatever you want, your choices are always limted to some degree.
>>69019879
Well yeah, I understand that you shpuldnt fuck with others,,,whether it be there bodies or property. I believe the only three rules a government should be there to enforce are 1, no murder, 2, no rape, 3, no theft. Other than that the majority of a people should choose their freedoms otherwise
>>69019815
So a comic into a movie.
If it's at least on par with the 3rd xmen I'll check it out. (setting the standard at 5/10)
I think that Veidt was smart to try uniting humanity by introducing an (apparently) other-worldly threat. However, Dr. Manhattan implies that Veidt's plan won't keep humanity in check in the long run, and I also doubt that such a plan would work, so no I don't think he's "right." It also makes me question Dr. Manhattan's motives, since even though he says several times that he doesn't care about the affairs of humanity, he still kills Rorschach in order to let Veidt's plan go off.
That was really the only problem I had with plot and character motivations in Watchmen. Speaking about the comic, though. I saw the movie, but wasn't too impressed.
>>69020083
Id suggest you check out the movie. Visually stimulating. Good watching. Or read it, up to you
In the black-and-white sense of justice Rorschach, he was wrong. He was committing mass murder and lying to the people about who did it.
When things aren't grouped as good or evil (right or wrong), it was the best solution available as nobody could come up with a better solution.
It's not fair to ask if he was right since the point of this moment was to challenge the ideas of what is considered right or wrong.
>>69020075
what about reckless behavior like drunk driving?
>>69020150
well, he can see all possible outcomes of the future and probably has to choose the most beneficial one/ or the one which leads to a certain future outcome
but according to the comics, he doesnt even choose. he just plays along
I never understood why dr. bluedick didn't just killed the guys who have the nuclear codes... they said even colourschlong couldn't handle hundreds of nukes at once so why not kill the guys who are able to push the button?
>>69019879
>You never have absolute freedom
But you literally do. There is nothing forcing you to wake up, or go to work, or do anything that you don't "have a choice" about. There are consequences for every choice though, and everyone must decide for themselves whether or not the consequences of a choice outweigh the benefits.
There is ALWAYS a choice, even if you think there isn't.
>>69017126
The movie fucking Mr Manhattan bombs made no sense. What did the Comedian see?
>>69020210
Visually stimulating meaning swaying blue dong, right?
>>69020083
Try the "Definitive Edition". Three and half hours
https://vimeo.com/28234910
>>69020083
read comic first
>>69020933
I'm pulling that version right now from KAT
>>69020589
Its much better than the clusterfuck of the fake-alien. That was confusing and overly complicated as fuck
>>69017126
Yes.
But it was only a temporary solution
>>69018310
Manhattan is literally an aspie.
>>69020075
what about reckless behavior like drunk driving?
>>69020150
>Pol admiring a weed smoking gay liberal
DEGENERATES.
>>69017698
His death in the movie was way more powerful than in the comics, particularly because it was acknowledged by Nite Owl. In the comics, he just goes and fucks Silk Spectre without even mentioning anything. He doesn't seem upset that one of his best buddies just got instagibbed by the blue man group.
>>69017419
T. Slovenian
>>69021647
The new juggernaut looks like shit.
Run or Fight?
>>69017126
Ozymandias represents most modern world leaders today. The uncomfortable truth is that your life, anon, is completely expendable for the greater good. And the greater good won't be determined by you, but rather by the will of men much smarter and more determined to write the next pages of existence with their narrative.
>>69017782
Look upon this terrible idea yea mighty and despair!
>>69019337
This desu senpai. Humans are flawed in shitty and dangerous ways, but trying to force us into perfection from the top down is worst flaw we have.
>>69022201
That's because he wasn't aware. Nite Owl saw him going away to do whatever and knew he was fading into the shadow of the NWO, probably to die anyway. He just didn't know BMG liquefied him.
>>69023333
He would've had to walk out that exit to leave the base and seen the giant bloody stain on the floor.
>>69023505
Plus he's a detective. Even if he wasn't, anyone who can put 2 and 2 together should know that Doctor Manhattan wouldn't just let Rorschach leave.
>>69020526
When it comes to free will, it's not have/not-have. We all have the capability to choose freely, but there's so many influences both internal and external that it's hard to actually exercise it, and so much easier to just go through the basically automatic processes.
>>69023505
They bone in the base, though. He may have known (given the snow hadn't covered any trace of blood) but it never shows it.
>>69019093
>neckbeard autists talking about crying over super hero comic books
How old are you faggots? 12?
>>69022660
What the fuck was the point of that story?
>>69023745
>people feeling emotion over art
It's a hair above most serials desu senpai. Have you read it?
>>69023745
superheros are just the modern versions of folk heros/gods.
Superheroes have been around as long as story telling
>>69017126
Yes.
The best part of the book isn't that someone was wrong... but rather they were ALL right. All of them had a legitimate reasoning and methods. Even the extreme ideas of Rorschach were necessary.
The great tragedy of man and nature isn't that evil exists... it's that it's more common for good to be destroying good.
>>69023797
It was a metaphor/allegory of the main story line
thought it was obvious.
The Black Sails represented the nuclear symbol
>>69017692
You must be clinically retarded man
>>69017126
Yes, would have died trying to achieve his goal if he existed irl.
>>69019337
They were all somewhat right, but none of them had the right.
>>69020519
It was described in the comic that he thought of all the solutions, and hence all of time, but he's still bound by the events of time as they unfold. For all of his power, this implies he had the least amount of freedom.
>>69023972
I think it's better to say that all of the characters perceived themselves as good. A man can commit the worst of horrors without batting an eye if he's convinced himself he's the good guy in this situation.
>>69017782
>naming your kid after a pharaoh known only for being cucked by fate
>>69017126
Would he destroy Islam, if he were alive today?
>>69025141
What? None of them thought of themselves as good. Except maybe the women but... you know... self-reflection isn't a steady condition for being female.
>>69025153
>He knew from the beginning he would have to compromise and kill millions if he couldn't get the Comedian, one single guy, to agree with him.
If the Comedian had changed his mindset in the face of Ozy Clean's philosophy and argument... he might not have slaughtered millions.
>>69025291
definetly yes
>>69025380
Ozy saw himself as doing the right thing
Rorshach saw himself as doing the right thing
Dr. Manhattan saw himself as doing the right thing
It all boils down to a person believing that what they're doing is right, and that's what makes it frightening in the case of Ozy.
Where do you think the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes from.
>>69025716
I'd like to think that too. One can only hope.
>>69017254
Sometimes the masses don't know what's good for them.
>>69025530
The Comedian was a man of principle and a believer of free will. A man without a set of principles is no better than a slave.it wasn't about saving lives, it was about doing what was right. When you have a man essentially ready to pervert the very thing that makes us what we are, it's hard to not want to stand up to that, no matter the cost
>>69025789
>Ozy saw himself as doing the right thing
He punished himself at the end because he didn't believe he was doing good, only what was necessary.
>Rorshach saw himself as doing the right thing
Yeah. No argument there. But that was his character. He *did* do the right thing no matter who he hurt. And he knew that.
>Dr. Manhattan saw himself as doing the right thing
He never thought that. He saw himself as a collection of cause-and-effects. He didn't even see himself as a person for most of the movie.
Though, in the end, they all did the right thing. That's the best part of the movie.
>>69017126
No. He solved nothing. The peace he created will vanish when people realize the aliens aren't coming back. And once they figure that out, it's only a matter of time before they find out Adrian was responsible.
>>69026164
You just described Roachshack, though. Not Comedickin. He shot a pregnant woman because she nagged him. He straight up didn't give a shit.
>>69017782
What about your wife's son?
>>69023913
>comics
>art
Pick 1
>>69026164
The Comedian talked about "War" as if it were something that gives you carte blanche.
I'd like to know how important is the word "War". When you use a word that evokes the wildest freedom, even the cruelest acts seems justificable.
>>69023922
No they're not. Nobody worships superheroes except spergs.
>>69027661
>Perseus
>Hercules
>Garugamesh
>Thor
>Finn McCool
>Musashi
>Goku the monkey
How are they so different from our superheroes?
>>69017782
dont.
>>69019393
They actually had a part in that where black spiderman said he didn't wanna be known as "black" spiderman, just spiderman, and lampooned SJWs at the same time.
Then people had a riot for him not being proud of his heritage and marvel got cucked and backpeddled.
I fucking hate these normies ruining my shit.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>tfw Comedian breaks down and reveals he's actually a huge softy who just wants someone to love.
>>69027661
>>69028722
>our superheroes
fucking kids
