If Bernie Sanders wins, what's stopping me from becoming a NEET?
Where's my incentive to do anything when Sanders will steal workers money and give it to me to fuel my newfound lazy lifestyle?
>>69006168
Actually, Bernie hasn't really advocated for expanding free money for people who don't ever work. Besides healthcare, which he thinks should apply to everyone for ethical AND pragmatic reasons (less clogged ER, less costly insurance, etc.), he is mostly for expanding the rights of WORKERS. Paid sick leave, maternity leave, higher minimum wage, tuition-free public college (still need excellent grades to get in) to get a degree to work, closing tax loopholes for corporations and the rich, ending corporate welfare. The list goes on.
TL;DR: Bernie is almost entirely pro-worker, very little pro-NEET.
>>69007504
Beat it, shill.
>>69007605
Nigger detected. Quit being lazy and get a job.
>>69007605
What an excellent retort
>>69007504
So as long as I have a ((((job))) I deserve the same pay as everyone else? Even if I'm just someone who gets paid below minimum wage to shitpost unironically on a Venetian curtain weaving board?
>>69007504
So he'll prevent the average Joe from ever becoming rich?
>>69007998
>Implying they ever had a chance
>>69007504
Too bad he won't win. Better vote for Trump.
>>69006168
https://data.oecd.org/emp/labour-force-participation-rate.htm
Social democracies have more people working.
>>69007504
Also this. Also, more deand for labour so easier to get a job and to negotiate with employer.
>>69007998
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/07/america-social-mobility-parents-income/399311/
Too late. He might give Joe a chance.
>>69007998
Quite the opposite. With tuition-free public college and universal healthcare, hardworking people won't be bogged down by medical bills or student loan debt. Since debt necessarily prevents attaining wealth, it will actually be slightly easier (albeit still incredibly rare) for poor people to become rich.
No women will date you.
You won't be able to. Let's say in some magic universe Bernie wins. Here's what'll happen.
>the 1%ers leave the country, there is no wealth to redistribute
>people lose incentive to succeed and unemployment rates rise
>businesses collapse, unable to expand due to rising taxes to meet the unemployed's needs
>birth rates collapse due to no one being able to sustain a child
>>69008507
He has won by a landslide in the last six primaries. Her ever-decreasing delegate lead is almost entirely due to the southern states. States ahead look like either ties, marginal wins for either, or landslides for Bernie.
>>69008785
Good description of a communist government. Good thing Bernie is a fairly weak democratic socialist whose policies are unlikely to pass with the strength he wants, if at all.
>>69008626
What's going to stop me from just staying in academia ad infinitum?
What's the correlation between college education and employment?
Isn't making college """"free"""" for everyone just going to devalue a college degree in the eyes of an employer, making it even harder for """educated""" individuals to find employment?
>>69008512
What the shit? No they don'tx they have unbelievably high rates of unemployment, and very low growth.
>>69006168
None, why pay taxes to get replaced by Achmed and Pablo.
>Bernie presidency
>work 2 unskilled jobs
>spend all money on bullets
>become kingpin during civil war/rich man after bike leaves office
>all the while make fake second identity to collect NEETbucks
Play the game, fellas
>>69008785
>the 1%ers leave the country
Then they weren't really american to begin with and have no loyalty to the country, screw them. Most billionaires are not bound to any country anymore anyway.
>birth rates collapse
Yes, because that is what happens in third world shitholes.
Are you a NEET now? Nothing much would change except you won't go bankrupt for getting cancer.
If you end up working, you'd end up making double than what people make today.
If anything. Sander's America is a harder working America.
>>69009051
>What's going to stop me from just staying in academia ad infinitum?
Good question. Not sure what Bernie thinks, but the final legislation would surely have measures to limit it.
>What's the correlation between college education and employment?
There are few jobs better than flipping burgers that you can get without a college education. Since welfare is better than minimum wage shit jobs in many cases, that's why some people are perpetually unemployed. If people had college degrees, they could get much better, better paying jobs. Also, raising minimum wage helps the aforementioned problem. Currently, a person working full time minimum wage at Wal-Mart can qualify for welfare. This is basically a corporate subsidy of wages. So, raising minimum wage makes less people qualified for welfare.
>Isn't making college """"free"""" for everyone just going to devalue a college degree in the eyes of an employer, making it even harder for """educated""" individuals to find employment?
It's safe to say that with more graduates, the percentages of each discipline will stay roughly the same. So, more business and finance people to create more businesses and jobs, more engineers and other professionals to work for them, etc. Also, businesses don't currently hire because of how much a degree costs, they hire because of the applicant's performance, so that won't change if college is tuition-free.
>>69009668
No. His call for hiked taxes though make me want to become one. How would that cause me to make more?
My business can't survive nor can I pay for my workers if my taxes soar.
>>69008825
Hilary will win senpai. We all know people will to vote for Hilary instead. I know you Bernie fans like to keep your hopes up but Bernie is really getting wrecked by Hilary. Maybe you could try donating another $300 and yell at black people for not voting to him but I doubt it will change anything. I admire keeping optimistic but if you really study the stats and how the voting has turned out, Bernie has a very, very low chance. Please everyone vote for someone who has an actual chance of winning and will change the world for the better. Vote for Trump.
>>69009180
>https://data.oecd.org/emp/labour-force-participation-rate.htm
Holy shit, you fucking idiot. I gave you a source. Look. Finland, Sweden, Norway...
All higher than the USA.
Norway especially, and it is the most socialist country in the world.
Well considering i'll be taxed to hell (working minimum wage part time) i'll have to get foodstamps to make up for the loss.
Can hernie even win at this point?
>>69006168
i guess you'd have to actively want to contribute to society and not be a piece of shit, 2 things /pol/ knows nothing about
Take norway for example. I know our cultures are drastically different, but we have probably the greatest social security available. What is striking though is that very VERY few use it, because there is such a huge social stigma associated with going on welfare.
Of course if your country idolizes deadbeats and think loafing off the government is cool it won't work.
>>69009051
>What's going to stop me from just staying in academia ad infinitum?
Same as in any other country. You need a right to study, which can and will be revoked, and you still need to pay your way.
What's to bad about being in the academia for forever anyway? You have to study to keep student rights and you have to still pay your rent and food. Call it self-improvement. A person who does that might contribute something exceptional. Worst case, he sits in class on gubmint dime.
>>69009859
>There are few jobs better than flipping burgers that you can get without a college education.
That is so much bullshit I don't even know what to answer.
If Bernie wins will welfare become easier to get? Will it last longer? I want my NEETBUCKS asap.
>>69010088
Yes, Bernie can still win. Not great odds, but it's entirely possible.
>>69010010
Hillary > Trump
I hate Hillary, but the only reason I prefer her to Trump is that she can do less lasting damage. Namely, there will be several supreme court vacancies in the next presidency, and Hillary is more likely to nominate better justices than Trump. Besides that, she'll expand Obamacare (meh) and he'll be an international embarrassment.
>>69010417
>and he'll be an international embarrassment
this, i cant believe it's part of his whole stump speech that other countries are making fun of us. HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT EVERYTHING THAT OTHER COUNTRIES ARE MAKING FUN OF US FOR???
>>69010267
leafpost bestpost
>>69009635
>screw them
Hope you enjoy a topless economy with no business
>Yes, because that is what happens in third world shitholes
Third world shitholes don't have condoms and aren't majority atheist.
>>69010542
because they were making fun of us before trump
>>69009943
You are unlikely to ever make 250k+
If you'd abandon making over a quarter million a year to be a NEET, I don't know what to tell you.
>>69009943
You don't have a business. People who do, know that taxes he wants to raise are paid from income, and thus have no effect on the business.
>>69010417
She also supports the TPP which will give corporations ultimate power to fuck over humanity.
>>69009859
>there are a few jobs better than flipping burgers you can get without a college education
Actually, there are a ton of great jobs people can get without degrees. There are a lot of trades that hire people, but liberals tend to shit on blue collar work for whatever reason.
Also why do you think that just because someone has a college degree, they're going to get a job? My girlfriend has a masters degree and can't find work in her field right now.
Do you think that, just because you have a piece of paper, you're entitled to being hired? What fucking fantasy world do you live in?
Also, it's not really 'tuition-free'. There's still a cost associated with the education, it's just shouldered by society's producing members now.
>>69010611
I know, and I hate it. But if it comes down to her vs. Trump, I'm going to have to go for her.
That's one the reasons I prefer Bernie, not because I agree with him on everything but because he is incredibly pro-American business and hates trade deals like TPP.
>>69010417
>I hate Hillary, but the only reason I prefer her to Trump is that she can do less lasting damage. Namely, there will be several supreme court vacancies in the next presidency, and Hillary is more likely to nominate better justices than Trump. Besides that, she'll expand Obamacare (meh) and he'll be an international embarrassment.
Why settle for the lesser evil?
>>69007504
lmao, NEETs will 100% make use of these and either fake sickness or get sickness to not do anything. That's what they're already doing and they will just do it even more.
>>69010712
>Do you think that, just because you have a piece of paper, you're entitled to being hired? What fucking fantasy world do you live in?
I don't, but I know that if you choose a smart degree you're much more likely to make more money.
>Also, it's not really 'tuition-free'. There's still a cost associated with the education, it's just shouldered by society's producing members now.
Yep, just like how high school is shouldered by taxes too.
People often rip on welfare and foodstamps as
>"Why should my taxes pay for their lazy asses?"
The reality is that all that money goes towards products which are then taxed, along with the companies getting taxed as well. The money goes right back into the government to pay for everything else. And since poor people struggle to save most of their government money goes right back into the system for growth.
>>69009180
>someone makes claim with link to data
>NUH UH THAT VIOLTES MY PRECONCEPTIONS
Adorable.
>>69011050
Why settle for the greater evil? This is why it's essential that Bernie win the nomination. Even if you think he's a socialist cuck, he's leagues better than Hillary and will give the American people a better choice: Trump vs. Sanders.
>>69011064
Even if you get a 4 year degree in computer science, you're only as good as your work ethic and ambition. Something that can exist independent of a degree, and propels plenty of intelligent, non-degree holding people into high paying jobs.
Yeah, and look at the massive fuck up that is high school. We produce some of the dumbest, unprepared young adults on the planet thanks to government curriculums and poor teacher hiring practices.
Next you're going to tell me the VA is a glowing success. Get fucked, socialist. Move to fucking Europe if you want other people's money so badly.
>>69007605
>literally dozens of trump threads on /pol/ 24/7
MAGA:DDDDD
>one Bernie thread
BEAT IT SHILL. WE DON'T PANDER TO POLITICIANS HERE
>>69011052
The paid sick leave is for X number of days per year. Even if it weren't, employers could still just fire them, duh.
>>69007962
Actually, posting on a Korean dog breeding forum will become to expensive at $15/hr, so your job would be eliminated.
Higher minimum wage will basically eliminate shilling as a job.
>>69011085
this as fuck.
Taxes suck, but giving poor people more money definitely increases its velocity within their local economy, while leaving it in some guy's bank account it's doing much less good.
>>69006168
There won't be any incentive to be productive. If he, somehow magically, wins the Presidency I will quit my job and join the lazy-do-nothing libtard masses.
>>69008626
>it will be easier for poor people to become rich
At which point they'll be taxed for everything they own and leave the country along with all the other producers. Then our economy will crumble and commissar Bernie will have to built a big beautiful wall to keep everyone in.
>>69009635
>they aren't loyal, so screw them
Wow, fantastic logic there. Whether you realize it or not, those are the people that make it possible for you to purchase relatively cheap food, clothes, and your computer and the internet connection on which you're shitposting right now. You have no idea how dependent you are on "the evil 1%". If you drive them from the country, you'll be on your knees begging them to come back within the year.
>>69007504
>still need excellent grades to get in
This needs to be echoed. I so sick of knuckle draggers thinking tuition free public education=everyone and their grandma gets a degree. What it actually means is that public university becomes a hell of a lot more competitive since everyone wants a degree without debt.
>>69011182
Duh, Bernie is actually out to make things better.
But if it comes down to choosing between two evils, why not ust go for the greater one. Next time the liberals would have to reconsider their lesser evil strategy.
Besides, fuck Hillary:
http://www.ianwelsh.net/hillary-clinton-is-a-monstrous-politician/
>>69011602
Good? With lazy fucks out of the workforce, wages will rise because the supply of labor will fall. Then the truly productive will actually be able to get ahead in life, instead of struggling to make ends meet along side burger flippers and desk jockeys.
>>69011659
>At which point they'll be taxed for everything they own
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan
Have you looked at Sanders' proposed taxes?
>>69008507
Against Trump, Bernie will easily win. All the polling is very consistent. What's especially interesting is that the two main political parties in the US have become too rigid and inflexible. They've both been taken over by skillful operators who don't primarily represent the values of their parties. It shows that the US for a long time has needed electoral reform to allow small parties to be represented instead of everything being squished into two massive parties. I suspect that some crazy shit will have to happen before such changes are contemplated seriously -- such as the US having its first ever socialist president!! It's looking quite possible at the moment.
>>69010417
wow you seem to have a very silly brain. Trump is a highly respected businessman and would make a fantastic president. Maybe you should actually learn about how he is going to do things instead of focusing on what your fellow Bernie supporters say about him. If you want to vote for a smelly vagina president I can't stop you but you should be ashamed of yourself and should educate yourself a little more on who Hilary is since all the media do is cover Trump. Also how Trump do more lasting damage when Hilary has already done more lasting damage than Trump ever will without even becoming president. I really hope you gain some sense and do a little more research on this anon.
>Besides healthcare, which he thinks should apply to everyone for ethical AND pragmatic reasons
>(less clogged ER)
Speaking as someone who works in an ER, you're a fucking retard.
>>69011679
>This needs to be echoed. I so sick of knuckle draggers thinking tuition free public education=everyone and their grandma gets a degree. What it actually means is that public university becomes a hell of a lot more competitive since everyone wants a degree without debt.
When uni is not a business, they kick out lazy people who can't get their courses done. It changes the power balance. Now, any purple haired rich girl can go and demand shit from the dean because otherwise she will take her money elsewhere.
The result: pic
>>69006168
I don't know - what's stopping you now?
No piece of politics will turn lazy fags into productive members of society, or the other way round.
What politics can change though is not to let productive members of society fall through the social net and be spat out if they have a bit of a bad streak. Not that I care too much, though. I want to see a president Trump mainly out of morbid curiosity.
I'm a NEET. If Sanders becomes president I won't continue to be one. There's nothing stopping you from becoming one now, except perhaps lack of a disability, too much income, etc... I support Sanders because I don't want to live on benefits anymore. It sucks. I've been doing it for years and I know how to stretch $700 a month in ways that would blow your fucking mind. I don't want to though. I want to work. If you want to take my place while I go work that's cool, but good luck figuring out as much as I have without wasting years of your youth.
>>69006168
This. For 15 bucks/hour I'd just take job scrubbing toilets, no reason to do anything harder.
>>69012575
>I support Sanders because I don't want to live on benefits anymore. It sucks.
Fucking this.
For most of my childhood, my mom was on Social Security Disability, initially due to severe arthritis and a vertebrae cartilage disorder that prevented her from doing much and kept her in constant pain. However, once she had it fixed, she couldn't get work anywhere, despite her Master's degree, because she had been on SSD for years. Living on government benefits is not fun. They pay shit and it's barely enough to get by. The only people living well are drug dealers and other criminals who make bank from under the table shit and still mooch off the government.
TL;DR: Living on welfare sucks, almost no one does it for fun.
>>69012575
So you'd rather be enslaved at a company who dictates what you can and cannot do, say, or dress?
There are so many people out there who would give up most things just to get that $700 a month.
>>69013111
>no reason to do anything harder.
So you'd live happily scrubbing shitholes for 8 hours a day?
Wow. I guess some people have no drive at all..
>>69006168
>If Bernie Sanders wins, what's stopping me from becoming a NEET?
>Where's my incentive to do anything when Sanders will steal workers money and give it to me to fuel my newfound lazy lifestyle?
If you're talking about becoming a NEET, then you definitely do not make enough money to be significantly affected by Sanders' tax changes.
But also, none of the programs Sanders is suggesting will help you pay for shitposting on /pol/ without a job. He hasn't suggested basic income.
>>69013111
$15 an hour isn't really all that much especially in big cities.
>>69007504
>Be 56 years old
>Bernie wins
>Stop working, go back to free school for 6 years
>Now 62
>Retire with nice SSI
>>69013547
>He hasn't suggested basic income.
He will.
>>69006168
>I'm literally retarded
>Strawmen are fun
>If people could live off basic income, no one would ever want anything better ever again!
>>69013353
making a decent amount of money with barely any effort IS the drive of many people, dumbo
>>69013111
That's not really a negative, I mean, there are only so many toilet scrubbing jobs out there. If everyone wants to work, and everyone wants to do even the most demeaning menial jobs because they will be able to support themselves is that really a negative thing?
>>69013294
If it earns me a living wage I'll accept it. It's not as much fun as fucking around in the Philippines where your dollars go much further than they do here and you can live off of $700 in SSI, but the stability anon... I want a house, a car, a wife, and kids. I'm willing to work for it. I've worked before, I don't like everything about it, the things you mentioned always grated on me. That fucking guy that always tells you to tuck in your shirt because the managers said so and he wants to be one some day... Fuck that guy. But for a living wage I'll deal with it.
If you're going to be a NEET and stay in the US and live off benefits there's one realistic path, that's living with your mom. That's the boat I'm in now after 4 years overseas and it really sucks. Even if Bernie isn't the president it's time for a change, I'm too old for this.
>>69006168
What?
>>69013589
>Stop working, go back to free school for 6 years
Good luck getting accepted. Entrance requirements still exist and would likely be higher. Also, tuition-free doesn't mean mean books, housing, food, fees, gas, etc. are free too. The cost of living would be the same or higher, so wasting your time going to classes 14-18 hours per week might not be the best idea.
>Retire with nice SSI
SSI is proportional to income, so, again, why waste time working AND getting useless education before retiring. If you wanted to scam the system, retire and then go to college.
>>69013796
>If people could live off basic income, no one would ever want anything better ever again!
I would have more time to exercise and eat healthy. Work cuts into making proper healthy meals as well.
Not everyone would stay inside playing video games and watching TV, people would get so bored of that after a few months.
>>69010417
>hate Hillary, but the only reason I prefer her to Trump is that she can do less lasting damage
Hillary has been horribly incompetent in every administrative role she's ever had. I don't even know where you got the idea that she would be an effective head of state. She would be an utter disaster as POTUS.
>>69010542
I'm more worried about the baseless hysteria in other countries affecting public perception of America. There is no reason to be whipping people up into such a frenzy, and yet they do it anyway. What you (and they) see on the TV is propaganda, not reality.
>>69013942
>retire and then go to college.
But that's not scamming the system. Canada already has it. What's wrong with people who worked all their lives and retired going to school? Sounds not so much like a scam as like a reward.
>>69014019
I agree--that's why I put it in greentext and attributed it to the strawman I was building in effigy of OP. I've been unemployed for a two year stretch, before (immigration reasons). It's boring as shit. Working is fun.
>>69014019
you really have no understanding of your hedonistic american culture, do you?
>>69014059
Still less disastrous than Trump who would either be perpetually stumped by congress or crash and born in a most spectacular fashion.
>>69010417
>Namely, there will be several supreme court vacancies in the next presidency, and Hillary is more likely to nominate better justices than Trump
just fuck my 2nd amendment up senpai
>>69013676
>I disagree with politicians not because of substance but because of MUH FEELS
You know, before /pol/ turned into a complete Republican shithole and back when it was more fringe conservative shitholes, basic income was a pretty big thing with libertarian posters. It has pretty much zero government overhead, and because everyone gets it (no matter how wealthy) it doesn't actually fuck with the economic incentives of working - you work, you have a better life. It was supposed to be a minimal intervention solution to automation destroying all the fucking jobs (which is looking like it'll be a significant issue by ~2030 or so).
But no, Sanders has said nothing about basic income. He just wants a higher minimum wage, which you can't actually benefit from if you don't work.
>>69013915
>I want a house, a car, a wife, and kids. I'm willing to work for it.
That sounds beautiful, but the sadly the America dream is dead.
I'd happily live in a studio apartment, but those costs around $800 a month (the cheapest) in my state. Even having a basic universal income would never allow for me to live on my own, housing would have to cost $300 a month at most which is nearly impossible.
>>69014059
>She would be an utter disaster as POTUS
As POTUS, there's not a whole lot she can do without congress. She can command the military to a degree and issue executive action, but I would say appointing lifelong supreme court justices is something I trust her with more than Trump. Trump would be similarly ineffectual, but his inflammatory rhetoric towards Muslims (whose help we need to defeat ISIS), his demands for a wall from Mexico, etc. will likely hurt our relations with other countries.
Being a NEET sucks.
Working and having a purpose in live is so much more satisfying. You actually lay on your bed at night and feel happy instead of feeling like a complete and total loser.
Imagine that.
Plus, of course you don't get respect from nobody, girls included, if you're a NEET.
>>69014348
The $15 minimum wage is a trap designed to put people out of work. It'll force businesses to either cut hours or replace them entirely through robotic automation to prevent bankruptcy.
UBI comes after that.
>>69013589
You get less SSI if you stop working for 6 whole years.
>>69014499
No idea where you guys get the impression that Clinton would be road-blocked by congress. The Clintons have a massive and wide base that includes plenty of Republicans. Sure: not during a presidential election, because they'll lose their seat if they don't hop on the "burn the witch" bandwagon. But in the white house? Clinton would see broader support than Obama ever did, from Congress.
>>69014311
The supreme court decides the constitutionality of laws. They can't say the 2nd amendment is unconstitutional.
>>69007504
Wow, I used to be on the trump train, but after reading this I'm a #cruzmissile
>>69014543
That's why VR will consume most peoples lives within 15 years. Once their job is gone they'll have no purpose to live here, and instead live 16 a day in a VR simulation.
>>69014375
The apartment I live in with my mom here in Detroit is $300 a month. Apart from the water flooding the living room floor when it rains it's nice.
I refuse to believe it's dead, I don't think you have to move to fucking Detroit or anything like that. It's our faith in the American dream that's died. Mine did, that's what drove me to live the life that I lived. But with time that way of thinking is getting old, I'm ready to fight for this. I'm ready to try. I'm ready to give up my happy life of watching Cartoon Network all day, arguing with people about politics and hockey on the internet, and never going outside. Fuck giving up.
>>69010712
>liberals tend to shit on blue collar work for whatever reason.
True. Is like "Awww you work with your hands, gross, you must be ignorat shit"
I hate them.
>>69014543
Working sucks too, though.
Your purpose in life is to please your boss and to do the work he wants to be done, regardless of the work you want to do. You lose over 1/3 of your entire day and you get to bed exhausted, dreading the next day where you'll wake up bright and early and do it again.
You also still feel like a loser.
>>69015025
>True. Is like "Awww you work with your hands, gross, you must be ignorat shit"
Well duh. If they're working with their hands they probably didn't go to college, and if they didn't go to college they probably haven't taken Gender Studies, so they're probably anti-feminist misogynistic pigs.
\s
>>69014743
Eh.
The problem is that robotic automation has been banging on our doors for the last 160 years or so. It has been invented for this only purpose: such that humans don't need to do the menial and repetitive tasks anymore. Progressive automation obviously leads to fewer jobs, but modern societies and economies have failed to come up with a sustainable concept in which not everyone is employed. If you just look at how productivity went up in the last 100 years, you'd guess that one doesn't need to have full employment - as we only need a fraction of people to reach our production goals.
UBI is the future - we both may not live to see it ourselves, but I don't see how the current way of employment will live through industrial revolution 2.0
>>69014743
>This is a bad thing
A society where no one has to work and everything is done by robots sounds like fucking paradise.
>>69015025
Right? 'Cuz Rush Limbaugh got that fat as a rancher.
Everyone shits on people who perform menial labor.
>>69006168
>Where's my incentive to do anything when Sanders will steal workers money and give it to me to fuel my newfound lazy lifestyle?
Bernie is certainly not NEET favorable aside from stuff that would benefit practically everyone in the US (due to his suggested higher marginal tax rate and spending a portion of that on nation wide healthcare and such things).
And ignoring all of that, hypothetical NEET favoring president wouldn't be a terrible thing. As a (ethnic) Swedish NEET (social phobia, paranoia, depression and ADD) it's very clear to me how being a NEET isn't good. It's a social exclusion from society in many ways. I can live just fine. The problem is that there's stigma attached to that here, there's a lot of people who don't go for it because of this. And regardless if you look at the expense it's certainly not something that's considered a major expense. ~40% of taxes go to all types of social support, where 'ekonomiskt bistånd' (economic assistance, money given to pay whatever's needed for a household) is ~5% of the total amount of taxes right now. About 60% of those are immigrants, I don't like that. Very poor integration politics here. Hypothetically if I didn't have my issues and had to look for a job according to ability, or sign up for education (or not get neetbux). It's still not bad because it's what the the state pays to protect their investment in me (education etc). The large amount of money I get is returned to the nation in some sense. I pay for food here and I pay rent here.
NEETs aren't as problematic as they sound. Not when there's systems in place to encourage progress. That's where we fail with immigrants. Either because they don't want to do well or because they're not given the opportunities. And desu, looking at local news it's the former. This would never happen if our immigrants were culturally Swedish.
>>69014878
The fuck? Is she really playing a VR game where she sits in front of a PC?
> NOW ON PS7
> THE VIRTUAL CUBICLE SIMULATOR
> EXPERIENCE THE DREAD AND BOREDOM OF OFFICE LIFE WITH YOUR OCULUS
> PRE-ORDER BONUS: THE ANNOYING BITCH WHO SPREADS OFFICE RUMOURS
>>69007998
Don't worry, Porky is already doing that. Keep your aspirations Trumpenproletariat, one day you'll be rich with enough hard work!
rejection of your peers, lack of esteem, stagnation and health problems
>>69010712
They're really fucking hard, though.
I'm getting my carpentry apprenticeship, and there's no way some fat desk jocky could ever understand how much effort it takes. Sweating for a living simply isn't possible for everyone and I fully understand this. Do you expect someone with chronic back pain to do roofing?
>>69008720
wow nice ice for his le bern eckxhs DEEEEEEEEEE
I'm sure if OP's NEET then 3d wymyn are of no concern anywhore.
**femanon hoar**
>>69006168
go for it m80
>>69006168
You'll be shipped off to the gulag in Alaska.
>>69006168
Nothing, and this is the point and the goal of humanity development. Throughout the ages you didn't really have a choice, you either worked and made a living or didn't work and died. Right now humanity is approaching the level of development where you have a choice to not work at all if you don't want to. To think that humanity guarantees you a semi-decent life just because you were born is quite revolutionary and reflect how advanced and progressive we have become. Society will remain healthy because you still have to work if you want to live a luxurious life, but humble people, lazy people, unmotivated people, and human trash of all possible varieties no longer have to die from hunger. They will slowly stratify away from the working people to form a kind of NEET caste - a bunch of idle onlookers - exactly the kind of person our current socio-economic model panders to.
>>69010339
>which can and will be revoked
Then it's not a right is it.
>>69011269
He means disability benefits i think anon, not sick pay
>>69015252
Fuck Rush Limbaugh, some people just like to work with their hands and get phisically tired in stead of being all day long on their ass on an cubicule growing a psychotic issue.
Is not about being republican or democrat, is a style of life.
Office job: All day long in front of a computer, no energy spend, you need to go out and make excercise, and psycologic asisstant cos you are losing you fucking mind.
Manual Labor: you get tired, so you will have a healthy sleep at night, yo are actually creating something (furniture, cars, houses, wathever you like to do) is a healthyer way of life, as i can see.
Nothing to do with politics.
If you dont agree with me you are a fucking burguoise and deserve a Clinton in the withe house.
>>69013942
>Good luck getting accepted.
I'm black
>>69014743
>The $15 minimum wage is a trap designed to put people out of work. It'll force businesses to either cut hours or replace them entirely through robotic automation to prevent bankruptcy.
We already have a $15 minimum wage in parts of the country, and the markets did not punish those areas with unemployment spikes.
We've all heard the price floor argument, but the fact is that people who parrot that around are misrepresenting a "spherical cows in a vacuum" mathematical theorem. The proof that a price floor reduces demand while increasing supply is based on an assumption of a perfectively competitive market at equilibrium. If the market isn't perfectly competitive/isn't at equilibrium (with "globalization" being what it is, those assumptions probably haven't held at any point in the past 40 years), then the proof doesn't actually hold and the theorem does not apply. The real world effects of a minimum wage hike are complicated. And the evidence is in on that - it has somewhere from a very small negative effect to a very small positive effect.
Also worth pointing out that final price increases were much smaller (as a percent) than the minimum wage hike, meaning it isn't just meaningless inflation (which is the most bullshit thing anyone's ever said about the minimum wage - there isn't even a mechanism by which that could happen. The only thing a minimum wage hike COULD do is shift unemployment up and down).
>>69008785
> Highest tax rate under Reagan
50%
> Highest tax rate under Sanders
52%
but yea dude itll totally be like the apocalypse under Sanders lol, just like it was through the majority of the 20th century when the highest tax rate in the US was 70%
>>69008512
Social democracies also have more white people
>>69015731
He was replying to my post that mentioned workers benefits including paid sick leave. If he was talking about disability, I outline how shit it is here
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>>69014499
Obama was hated by Congress and refused to budge on any issue, and he still managed to accomplish a reasonable amount. Trump will do fine. You also understand that Supreme Court justices have to be approved by Congress, right? It's a contradiction to say that Trump will be roadblocked by Congress and then profess fears about who he is going to appoint to the Supreme Court, since he can't actually do that without Congress' support.
>but his inflammatory rhetoric towards Muslims (whose help we need to defeat ISIS), his demands for a wall from Mexico, etc. will likely hurt our relations with other countries.
Those other countries already take advantage of US goodwill and infrastructure. The Mexican economy relies heavily on drug revenue from the US, and there is heavy corruption in the Mexican government. They do send drugs over, they do send criminals across the border, and this needs to stop. Trump isn't a bad guy for pointing this out. It's not pretty, it may not fit your ideals, but it's what's best for our country and for the immigrants who have come here legally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Mexico#Border_Issues
>inflammatory rhetoric towards Muslims (whose help we need to defeat ISIS)
what we need from the Muslim community is a sweeping reform of Islam. However, many Muslims tacitly support ISIS and advocate for the existence of ultraorthodox salafist radicals. Not every Muslim is non-practicing or reasonable like the Ahmadiyya. Again, it might not be pretty, but Trump is addressing a major problem in the Islamic community that many Muslims are simply too afraid to talk about.
>>69015718
It's an earned privilege.
>>69012099
No, you. Ever hear of preventative medicine? Of course not, because you are an ER drone.
In civilized countries people go to the doctor before they have a crisis that forces them to go to the ER.
>>69014743
No it doesn't. Min wage increseases empirically increase employment. There is a job that needs to get done, so a person will be hired. Min wage does not change that.
>>69007962
>the same pay as everyone else?
I might be able to tolerate Bernie if he didn't pander to niggers and every other degenerate thing that isn't white.
>>69008512
this guy is lying, finland has lots of NEETs, like myself. there is no reason to work because KELA pays everything for us. I've never even considered finding a job, 23 not
>>69014743
k mr weedman, but tell me
what role in society does an ex-wage slave play when we have a UBI
protip: NONE
>>69014743
>The $15 minimum wage is a trap designed to put people out of work. It'll force businesses to either cut hours or replace them entirely through robotic automation to prevent bankruptcy.
If the businesses didn't need the employee or could replace him with automation, why the fuck was he hired in the first place?
>>69016699
He was hired because he was cheaper than a machine. Now he's not so he's gone.
>>69011260
This is a Bernie free zone.
>>69016699
Automation was largely impractical until very recently. The person was hired because the business could afford to do so.
>>69011927
Yea but he can't beat Hillary. Kek
>>69006168
You'll get medicare and you wouldn't have to pay tuition for college but you'd still have no income for living expenses.
>>69016991
I'll grant you that, but even if he was getting paid $7.25/hr, he'd still be replaced by a machine. Maybe $15/hr would speed the replacement, but he's replaced in a number of years either way, so what's it matter?
Plus, automation is a good thing.
>>69008149
>Implying everyone doesn't know how to invest
Just because your parents and grandparents failed you by not passing down their knowledge doesn't mean we're all up the creek without a paddle. What's worse is Bernie wants to pass higher taxes on investment transactions so only large investment firms would be able to compete.
>>69017172
Automation a necessary step, just like machines were in the Industrial Revolution. A lot of bad came out of that but ultimately it helped continue development.
Think of it from a small business owner's standpoint instead of a worker standpoint. Business owners couldn't afford to put everybody on a higher payroll and remain competitive.
>>69006168
>If Bernie Sanders wins, what's stopping me from becoming a NEET?
Absolutely nothing. I make $50k living in a modest rural place where making that much is living fairly well off. If Barney sandals wins and takes more of my paycheck, I'll just quit my job and become a taker.
>Where's my incentive to do anything when Sanders will steal workers money and give it to me to fuel my newfound lazy lifestyle?
No where. This is why socialism is shit.
Right now, the reason we still have cashiers and janitors and burger flippers is because automation isn't there yet, and it's not going to be there for a few more decades. Right now there are a bunch of jobs that can't be done by robots and can't be shipped overseas and there is a certain upper wage limit at which it is still profitable to hire those people. As long as the minimum wage doesn't go above that upper wage limit, it's not really a concern.
Eventually (probably around the time I'm retiring) we are going to live in a world where most of the labor the economy needs done is done by machines, at which point the very idea of "working for a living" will be a bad joke. We really are eventually going to have to transition to a UBI system. There is simply no other option. There will come a time when almost all of the things people want to spend their money on can be provided by robots, and at that time it will become impossible to give everyone who wants to work a job.
>>69017766
>Business owners couldn't afford to put everybody on a higher payroll and remain competitive
A minimum wage increase would require ALL employers to raise their wages simultaneously, so competitiveness would stay the same.
>>69006168
In our lifetime the entitlements will dry up. Social Security will be bankrupt long before you become old enough to collect it. When the EBT cards and disability checks stop going out the lawlessness that permeates urban areas will spread from their convenient containment in row housing to suburban and rural America. You'll be competing for entitlements and benefits with millions of unskilled immigrants newly turned citizens, and guess what - in Sanders America if you're white those checks aren't coming your way.
>>69007998
oh.. THIS delusion always makes me laugh
>I don't want the rich to become burdened by too many taxes, I want them to have privileges because someday I want to be rich
>someday these boots I'm licking will be mine.
>>69007962
> poop blogging on a Hmong Carpentry Enthusiast Board
> not doing it for free
>>69018089
Domestically, yes. Competitiveness would remain around the same levels. But we compete more with other countries nowadays and raising the wage while fighting them would be very uncompetitive.
>>69017921
>Absolutely nothing. I make $50k living in a modest rural place where making that much is living fairly well off. If Barney sandals wins and takes more of my paycheck, I'll just quit my job and become a taker.
You currently make $50k.
Under Sanders' tax plan, that'd fall to ~$49k, ~$48k. If you don't have employer-provided healthcare, not having to pay for the fucking mandatory ACA bullshit would put you back up over ~$50k.
Feigning disability and living off of benefits, that'd fall to... well, it depends on state, but probably <$10k.
I won't tell you how to live your life, but I do reserve the right to quietly think you're an idiot who makes bad decisions.
I can't wait for the white race to die. I'm voting Bernie so I can live out the rest of my life from my room.
>>69019016
Reading this it sounds like sarcasm/trolling, I promise you guys I am being 100% serious.
>>69018812
We have lost every job it is possible to lose. Don't even act like wage competitiveness is a concern; labor in the third world costs fucking pennies, and every job that could be moved over there has already been moved over there. That ship has already sailed, and the jobs that are still here are still here because they physically cannot be moved overseas.
>>69019130
>automation
>h1b1
You poor man, you don't know.
>>69007504
That's too bad. I'd only vote for him if it meant not having to work. What is this guy some kind of reactionary capitalist lackey trying to be a better slave driver than the last? I'll vote for total liberation from work and nothing less.
>>69018589
muh American Dream, don't laugh at me
>>69006168
the people supporting your neet lifestyle no longer being able to due to increased taxes and inflation
>>69007998
This is exactly what he will do. Berniefags like to pound their chest about how lower student loan debts and medical costs will free people's money up, but he fails to consider the implications on commodity prices, imports, and the massive income taxes required of the middle class. Frankly, it would be a miracle if you managed to go from making 50k to 100k, or 100k to 200k under Bernie's policies. And that's ignoring the fact that his speculation taxes would destroy the broader economy overnight. You couldn't even accumulate enough wealth to be secure by inheritance because he wants to tax assets that aren't liquid, forcing you to sell them and pay his insanely high taxes. Bernie Sanders has the economics understanding of a 22 year old humanities major, which is why that is his core demographic.
>>69007504
>supports the rights of workers
>wants to force workers to join a union so that $500-1000 per worker per year can be sent directly to Democratic Party coffers
Pick one.
>>69019130
No, we still have some small businesses that do still compete. I have family members that run one. Granted, it is not what it used to be but there still is competition.
>>69006168
Can anyone explain why Bernie got 25 delegates and Clinton got 9, but Washington had 101 delegates up for grabs? Where did the other 67 delegates go?
>>69020042
The estimate I see is 74 for Sanders, 27(+10 super delegates) for Clinton.
>>69006168
Implying Americans actually work and don't simulate working process.
>>69011260
If you wanted a stronger board presence fucking make one.
But you faggots can't handle logic based debate and shitposting so you always run for the hills.
>>69020311
Oh alright. I just googled "presidential caucus" and went from the chart there. It is probably still being updated, but right now it says Bernie 25 Clinton 9.
>>69007504
I'll just got to school forever, live in the dorms and eat for free while just scraping by in my classes simply for the gibmedats
>>69019622
trust me I get and understand that and everyone wants to get rich somehow, but I'm not going to bootlick for rich people or think they deserve more breaks and less taxes, etc, even if I were to become rich even when paying more taxes, I'd figure I'm still living a lifestyle thosuands of times better than what I was before.
>>69021257
only the tuition will be free.living expenses will still require the current financial aid system.. you'll still put yourself in tremendous debt, and after you acrue so many credits without a degree, financial aid is cut off.
